Frank Slootweg wrote on 20 May 2024 14:53:38 GMT :

> Anyway, I doubt you will get confirmation from any non-US(/-non-NA?)
> person that they are sending or receving MMS messages, unless of course
> they are communicating with US(/NA?) people.
>
> As a - meaningless - data point: I have never sent or received a MMS
> message and have never seen others in our country (The Netherlands)
> sending or receiving them. Just too awkward and (often) expensive.

Success!
Apple w/o interoperability <https://i.postimg.cc/cLBNKJb7/fuzzy.jpg>
WhatsApp w interoperability <https://i.postimg.cc/QMGrqLb9/clear.jpg>

We have worked around the problem of Apple/Android interoperability.

Our first attempt using an iPad failed, but for a reason that nobody had
mentioned, which is that setting up the Messages on the iPad automatically
REMOVED that user from her Android cellphone in the chat.

We should have used a different cellphone number but Apple didn't let us
have that choice. (I guess we can go back and change it to an imaginary
phone number but I'm not sure because we got frustrated with Apple).

I hadn't thought about that problem ahead of time, but it's yet another
Apple issue that if you have your phone registered to both your iPad and
Android, even over Wi-Fi, Apple's messaging server will only send the video
message to the iPad and not to the Android. Apple can't do both.

After that attempt using the Apple messaging system failed, we ditched the
Apple messaging system altogether - which will be our workaround for now.

When the great grandchildren want to send videos to the family group,
they'll be sending them through WhatsApp from now on, avoiding Apple
messaging altogether. (Since we're in the USA, we'll only need to use
WhatsApp when sending messages between Apple & Android devices.)

(If everyone did this, Apple might finally decide to interoperate.)

On 2024-05-20 09:45, Andrew wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote on 20 May 2024 14:53:38 GMT :
>
>> Anyway, I doubt you will get confirmation from any non-US(/-non-NA?)
>> person that they are sending or receving MMS messages, unless of course
>> they are communicating with US(/NA?) people.
>>
>> As a - meaningless - data point: I have never sent or received a MMS
>> message and have never seen others in our country (The Netherlands)
>> sending or receiving them. Just too awkward and (often) expensive.
>
> Success!
> Apple w/o interoperability <https://i.postimg.cc/cLBNKJb7/fuzzy.jpg>
> WhatsApp w interoperability <https://i.postimg.cc/QMGrqLb9/clear.jpg>
>
> We have worked around the problem of Apple/Android interoperability.

There is no such problem.

>
> Our first attempt using an iPad failed, but for a reason that nobody had
> mentioned, which is that setting up the Messages on the iPad automatically
> REMOVED that user from her Android cellphone in the chat.

Registering a phone number with iMessage means that other iMessage users
will be sending iMessages to that number.

'You may need to turn off iMessage if you are now using a non-Apple
phone and cannot get SMS or text messages someone sends you from an iPhone.'

<https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/>

This is a CHOICE YOU MAKE.

>
> We should have used a different cellphone number but Apple didn't let us
> have that choice. (I guess we can go back and change it to an imaginary
> phone number but I'm not sure because we got frustrated with Apple).

You not understanding how your technology works and then blaming Apple
for it is pretty much your entire brand.

>
> I hadn't thought about that problem ahead of time, but it's yet another

You? Not thinking? Colour me shocked.

> Apple issue that if you have your phone registered to both your iPad and
> Android, even over Wi-Fi, Apple's messaging server will only send the video
> message to the iPad and not to the Android. Apple can't do both.

Apple makes the assumption that you want to use your Apple devices when
you register a phone number for iMessage use.

You didn't have to to:

YOU CHOSE TO.

>
> After that attempt using the Apple messaging system failed, we ditched the
> Apple messaging system altogether - which will be our workaround for now.

Or you could just unregister the phone number...

'No longer have your iPhone?

Follow the steps below to deregister your phone number.'

<https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/>

>
> When the great grandchildren want to send videos to the family group,
> they'll be sending them through WhatsApp from now on, avoiding Apple
> messaging altogether. (Since we're in the USA, we'll only need to use
> WhatsApp when sending messages between Apple & Android devices.)
>
> (If everyone did this, Apple might finally decide to interoperate.)

There is no way to "interoperate" with SMS/MMS messaging.

The limits are imposed BY THE CARRIERS.