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* OT: Vancouver BC - who can afford to move THERE?Tom Elam
+* Re: OT: Vancouver BC - who can afford to move THERE?Alan
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|`* Re: OT: Vancouver BC - who can afford to move THERE?Tom Elam
| +- Re: OT: Vancouver BC - who can afford to move THERE?Alan
| `- YA whining troll (was: OT: Vancouver BC - who can afford to move THERE?)-hh
`* Re: OT: Vancouver BC - who can afford to move THERE?Chud McCobson
 `* Re: OT: Vancouver BC - who can afford to move THERE?-hh
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  +* Re: OT: Vancouver BC - who can afford to move THERE?Alan
  |`- Re: OT: Vancouver BC - who can afford to move THERE?Tom Elam
  `* Re: OT: Vancouver BC - who can afford to move THERE?Tom Elam
   `- Re: OT: Vancouver BC - who can afford to move THERE?-hh

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Subject: Re: OT: Vancouver BC - who can afford to move THERE?
From: Tom Elam
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2025 15:02 UTC
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From: thomas.e.elam@gmail.com (Tom Elam)
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Subject: Re: OT: Vancouver BC - who can afford to move THERE?
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2025 10:02:25 -0500
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On 1/8/2025 3:37 PM, -hh wrote:
> On 1/8/25 2:59 AM, Chud McCobson wrote:
>> On Dec 21, 2024, Tom Elam wrote
>> (in article <vk79nm$6qc3$1@dont-email.me>):
>>
>>> A few years back Alan Baker claimed
>>
>> How long have you guys been going back and forth calling each other
>> liars.
>> Years? Decades? This beef is massive. Do you know what’s also massive?
>> The
>> low-taper fade meme. Get a life. Watch Pretty Cure.
>>
>
> The usual pattern is that Tommy trolls with some "dig" at someone.
> Naturally, the options are to simply ignore, or to fire back.
>
> This "housing" based troll from Tommy is an old retread.  He's a
> longtime resident in an inexpensive suburbia area, so its not hard to
> have a decently sized place due to its low $/sqft, so it becomes his
> basis to claim he's living in a Disneyland paradise and no one else can
> come close.
>
> Of course there's many other metrics besides cost per square foot of
> housing, case in point:
>
> "A new study by WalletHub has found that New Jersey is the 3rd happiest
> state in the country.
>
> The study compared the 50 states using factors such as mental health,
> divorce rates, and finances.
>
> Hawaii ranked first in the study, followed by Maryland. Utah came in
> fourth, while Delaware rounded out the top 5. Louisiana ranked last."
>
> <https://newjersey.news12.com/new-jersey-ranked-3rd-happiest-state-in-
> the-country>
>
> Of course, to find where Indiana ranked, go find the original:
>
> <https://wallethub.com/edu/happiest-states/6959>
>
> And we see that Indiana is way down in 36th place, with a score of
> 45.92.  That's a ~15 point deficit vs a Top 5 for happiness, which also
> serves to help explain Tommy's trolls' underlying jealousy of others.
>
>
>
> -hh

So, if NJ is so great and Indiana so unhappy people should be flocking
to NJ and leaving Indiana, right? Population growth should be in general
highest where people are the happiest, right? Fact check next.

Based on stats found at
https://www.nj.gov/labor/labormarketinformation/demographics/population-household-estimates/

2020-2024 NJ population gain was 2.3%, 21st among all 50 states. Indiana
increased 2.0%, ranked 25th. Pretty close, right?

Strangely, Florida ranked 14th on the happy scale but at 8.5% population
gain ranking #2 among states with more than 2 million population. Idaho
was #1, Texas ranked 38th on the happy scale and at 7.3% population gain
#3 behind Florida.

My home state of Tennessee ranked 47th on the happy scale and at 4.6%
population gain 11th.

Here is the clincher. Hawaii is the happiest state based on your source,
right? Then at -0.1% 2020-2024 population growth why are people net
leaving??? Should Hawaii not be the fastest growing state.

Based on your logic people seem to be attracted to unhappy states. Your
happy scale criteria appear to be at odds with where people actually
want to live.

Subject: Re: Translation: YA bored troll thread (was OT: Vancouver BC - who can afford to move THERE?)
From: Alan
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From: nuh-uh@nope.com (Alan)
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Subject: Re: Translation: YA bored troll thread (was OT: Vancouver BC - who
can afford to move THERE?)
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On 2025-01-15 14:33, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 12/29/2024 9:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-12-29 14:09, -hh wrote:
>>>> As for Alan his racing gig has seemingly petered out. A revealed in
>>>> SCCBC public records he is absent from leadership positions. His
>>>> racing entries for the last three years have been few and far
>>>> between. Maybe he is still going golfing and skiing?
>>>
>>> YA attempt to equate Absence of Evidence as Evidence of Absence...right?
>>>
>>> FWIW, I've not mentioned PCA events for a long time (2011?), but that
>>> isn't proof that I'm not still attending meetings or events.
>>
>> And it turns out that Tommie isn't much of a researcher...
>>
>> ...as I was chairman of the Race Drivers Committee in 2023.
>>
>> <https://web.archive.org/web/20230422005048/https://www.sccbc.net/
>> about- sccbc/race-drivers/>
>>
>> 'Membership on the Race Drivers Committee is by invitation only. The
>> committee is comprised of some of the best racers in British Columbia.
>> Most committee members have won championships in their class while
>> others have done consistently well over the years and have proven
>> themselves capable of excelling in all race conditions.'
>>
>> Not bad for a supposedly "terrible" driver.
>>
>> 😎
> Alan, how many season championships have you won?

Asshole: your claim is that I'm "terrible".

Do you have to be a champion to be better than "terrible"?

:-)

Subject: Re: OT: Vancouver BC - who can afford to move THERE?
From: -hh
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From: recscuba_google@huntzinger.com (-hh)
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Subject: Re: OT: Vancouver BC - who can afford to move THERE?
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On 1/16/25 10:02 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 1/8/2025 3:37 PM, -hh wrote:
>> On 1/8/25 2:59 AM, Chud McCobson wrote:
>>> On Dec 21, 2024, Tom Elam wrote
>>> (in article <vk79nm$6qc3$1@dont-email.me>):
>>>
>>>> A few years back Alan Baker claimed
>>>
>>> How long have you guys been going back and forth calling each other
>>> liars.
>>> Years? Decades? This beef is massive. Do you know what’s also
>>> massive? The
>>> low-taper fade meme. Get a life. Watch Pretty Cure.
>>>
>>
>> The usual pattern is that Tommy trolls with some "dig" at someone.
>> Naturally, the options are to simply ignore, or to fire back.
>>
>> This "housing" based troll from Tommy is an old retread.  He's a
>> longtime resident in an inexpensive suburbia area, so its not hard to
>> have a decently sized place due to its low $/sqft, so it becomes his
>> basis to claim he's living in a Disneyland paradise and no one else
>> can come close.
>>
>> Of course there's many other metrics besides cost per square foot of
>> housing, case in point:
>>
>> "A new study by WalletHub has found that New Jersey is the 3rd
>> happiest state in the country.
>>
>> The study compared the 50 states using factors such as mental health,
>> divorce rates, and finances.
>>
>> Hawaii ranked first in the study, followed by Maryland. Utah came in
>> fourth, while Delaware rounded out the top 5. Louisiana ranked last."
>>
>> <https://newjersey.news12.com/new-jersey-ranked-3rd-happiest-state-in-
>> the-country>
>>
>> Of course, to find where Indiana ranked, go find the original:
>>
>> <https://wallethub.com/edu/happiest-states/6959>
>>
>> And we see that Indiana is way down in 36th place, with a score of
>> 45.92.  That's a ~15 point deficit vs a Top 5 for happiness, which
>> also serves to help explain Tommy's trolls' underlying jealousy of
>> others.
>>
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> So, if NJ is so great and Indiana so unhappy people should be flocking
> to NJ and leaving Indiana, right? Population growth should be in general
> highest where people are the happiest, right?

Happiness could be a motivation for migration, but it can't be the sole
factor for making a move. Other factors include things like economics
(job availability), finances (get a job), social network (desire to be
suitably proximate to family), climate and/or geographical preferences,
personal interests, pastimes, etc: its a long list.

> Fact check next...

No need, since you've chosen invalid initializing conditions by not
being multivariate: that failure makes conclusions reached invalid too.

-hh

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