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Subject: Only Apple requires a "valid" address just to download software off the App Store
From: Andrew
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From: andys@nospam.com (Andrew)
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In keeping with the proof that of all common consumer operating systems,
only Apple murders privacy, today I tried to add an "App Store" account to
the iPad I had set up recently to have an Apple ID (which killed privacy).
*Piece of shit iOS has absolutely zero privacy for God's sake*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17771&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17771>

Now... Apple murders privacy again by requiring 2FA to prove I'm me.

So I give away my identity (again!) to Apple with a phone number that is
very personal and very validly only mine - and that satisfies Apple's
hunger to know everything there is to know about you that it can get.

Sigh... but it gets worse...

When I try to log into the App Store, I'm *required* to give Apple an
address which I did NOT have to give Apple to create the Apple ID.

Huh?

Why can't stupid Apple keep their own identifications in the same place?

But wait... there's more.
Now for this *second* ID on the iPad, I have to give Apple *more* private
information. It's not enough that they already know who I am.

Now they want to know *where I live*.
WTF.

Bastards.

But wait... you'd think the address can be completely bogus, right?

Nope...

It has to be a "valid" address.
Just to create an account on Apple's mainframe servers to get apps.

How do I know that?

Because I type a bogus address (made up so I can't remember it now), and it
fails, but it doesn't tell you why other than it must be a "valid" address.

WTF?

Why is it that only Apple murders privacy just so you can get apps for iOS?

Anyway, I come up with the idea of picking an address off the Internet
using the "Random Address in California Generator" which gives me a "valid"
address so Apple's mainframe servers are happy with the App Store account.
<https://codebeautify.org/random-address-in-california>

And then... only then... after handing Apple my identity ...

That works. I get the app.

But why did I have to do those machinations?
Why does only Apple murder privacy?

No other common OS system vendor requires you to give up your privacy
just to get apps off the app store so that the device can do stuff.

Just Apple.

That's a fact.

Subject: Re: Only Apple requires a "valid" address just to download software off the App Store
From: Tom Elam
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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2024 13:58 UTC
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From: thomas.e.elam@gmail.com (Tom Elam)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Only Apple requires a "valid" address just to download software
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On 11/24/2024 6:51 PM, Andrew wrote:
> In keeping with the proof that of all common consumer operating systems,
> only Apple murders privacy, today I tried to add an "App Store" account to
> the iPad I had set up recently to have an Apple ID (which killed privacy).
> *Piece of shit iOS has absolutely zero privacy for God's sake*
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17771&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17771>
>
> Now... Apple murders privacy again by requiring 2FA to prove I'm me.
>
> So I give away my identity (again!) to Apple with a phone number that is
> very personal and very validly only mine - and that satisfies Apple's
> hunger to know everything there is to know about you that it can get.
>
> Sigh... but it gets worse...
>
> When I try to log into the App Store, I'm *required* to give Apple an
> address which I did NOT have to give Apple to create the Apple ID.
>
> Huh?
>
> Why can't stupid Apple keep their own identifications in the same place?
>
> But wait... there's more.
> Now for this *second* ID on the iPad, I have to give Apple *more* private
> information. It's not enough that they already know who I am.
>
> Now they want to know *where I live*.
> WTF.
>
> Bastards.
>
> But wait... you'd think the address can be completely bogus, right?
>
> Nope...
>
> It has to be a "valid" address.
> Just to create an account on Apple's mainframe servers to get apps.
>
> How do I know that?
>
> Because I type a bogus address (made up so I can't remember it now), and it
> fails, but it doesn't tell you why other than it must be a "valid" address.
>
> WTF?
>
> Why is it that only Apple murders privacy just so you can get apps for iOS?
>
> Anyway, I come up with the idea of picking an address off the Internet
> using the "Random Address in California Generator" which gives me a "valid"
> address so Apple's mainframe servers are happy with the App Store account.
> <https://codebeautify.org/random-address-in-california>
>
> And then... only then... after handing Apple my identity ...
>
> That works. I get the app.
>
> But why did I have to do those machinations?
> Why does only Apple murder privacy?
>
> No other common OS system vendor requires you to give up your privacy
> just to get apps off the app store so that the device can do stuff.
>
> Just Apple.
>
> That's a fact.

So why do you even have an iPad? There are Android tablets.

Subject: Re: Only Apple requires a "valid" address just to download software off the App Store
From: Tom Elam
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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2024 13:59 UTC
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From: thomas.e.elam@gmail.com (Tom Elam)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Only Apple requires a "valid" address just to download software
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On 11/24/2024 6:51 PM, Andrew wrote:
> In keeping with the proof that of all common consumer operating systems,
> only Apple murders privacy, today I tried to add an "App Store" account to
> the iPad I had set up recently to have an Apple ID (which killed privacy).
> *Piece of shit iOS has absolutely zero privacy for God's sake*
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17771&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17771>
>
> Now... Apple murders privacy again by requiring 2FA to prove I'm me.
>
> So I give away my identity (again!) to Apple with a phone number that is
> very personal and very validly only mine - and that satisfies Apple's
> hunger to know everything there is to know about you that it can get.
>
> Sigh... but it gets worse...
>
> When I try to log into the App Store, I'm *required* to give Apple an
> address which I did NOT have to give Apple to create the Apple ID.
>
> Huh?
>
> Why can't stupid Apple keep their own identifications in the same place?
>
> But wait... there's more.
> Now for this *second* ID on the iPad, I have to give Apple *more* private
> information. It's not enough that they already know who I am.
>
> Now they want to know *where I live*.
> WTF.
>
> Bastards.
>
> But wait... you'd think the address can be completely bogus, right?
>
> Nope...
>
> It has to be a "valid" address.
> Just to create an account on Apple's mainframe servers to get apps.
>
> How do I know that?
>
> Because I type a bogus address (made up so I can't remember it now), and it
> fails, but it doesn't tell you why other than it must be a "valid" address.
>
> WTF?
>
> Why is it that only Apple murders privacy just so you can get apps for iOS?
>
> Anyway, I come up with the idea of picking an address off the Internet
> using the "Random Address in California Generator" which gives me a "valid"
> address so Apple's mainframe servers are happy with the App Store account.
> <https://codebeautify.org/random-address-in-california>
>
> And then... only then... after handing Apple my identity ...
>
> That works. I get the app.
>
> But why did I have to do those machinations?
> Why does only Apple murder privacy?
>
> No other common OS system vendor requires you to give up your privacy
> just to get apps off the app store so that the device can do stuff.
>
> Just Apple.
>
> That's a fact.

That is not true. Google Services also requires a valid mobile number
for 2FA.

Subject: Re: Only Apple requires a "valid" address just to download software off the App Store
From: Tom Elam
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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2024 21:28 UTC
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From: thomas.e.elam@gmail.com (Tom Elam)
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On 11/24/2024 6:51 PM, Andrew wrote:
> In keeping with the proof that of all common consumer operating systems,
> only Apple murders privacy, today I tried to add an "App Store" account to
> the iPad I had set up recently to have an Apple ID (which killed privacy).
> *Piece of shit iOS has absolutely zero privacy for God's sake*
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17771&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17771>
>
> Now... Apple murders privacy again by requiring 2FA to prove I'm me.
>
> So I give away my identity (again!) to Apple with a phone number that is
> very personal and very validly only mine - and that satisfies Apple's
> hunger to know everything there is to know about you that it can get.
>
> Sigh... but it gets worse...
>
> When I try to log into the App Store, I'm *required* to give Apple an
> address which I did NOT have to give Apple to create the Apple ID.
>
> Huh?
>
> Why can't stupid Apple keep their own identifications in the same place?
>
> But wait... there's more.
> Now for this *second* ID on the iPad, I have to give Apple *more* private
> information. It's not enough that they already know who I am.
>
> Now they want to know *where I live*.
> WTF.
>
> Bastards.
>
> But wait... you'd think the address can be completely bogus, right?
>
> Nope...
>
> It has to be a "valid" address.
> Just to create an account on Apple's mainframe servers to get apps.
>
> How do I know that?
>
> Because I type a bogus address (made up so I can't remember it now), and it
> fails, but it doesn't tell you why other than it must be a "valid" address.
>
> WTF?
>
> Why is it that only Apple murders privacy just so you can get apps for iOS?
>
> Anyway, I come up with the idea of picking an address off the Internet
> using the "Random Address in California Generator" which gives me a "valid"
> address so Apple's mainframe servers are happy with the App Store account.
> <https://codebeautify.org/random-address-in-california>
>
> And then... only then... after handing Apple my identity ...
>
> That works. I get the app.
>
> But why did I have to do those machinations?
> Why does only Apple murder privacy?
>
> No other common OS system vendor requires you to give up your privacy
> just to get apps off the app store so that the device can do stuff.
>
> Just Apple.
>
> That's a fact.

Amazon requires a valid address to deliver :)

Subject: Re: Only Apple requires a "valid" address just to download software off the App Store
From: Tom Elam
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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2024 21:30 UTC
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From: thomas.e.elam@gmail.com (Tom Elam)
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On 11/24/2024 6:51 PM, Andrew wrote:
> In keeping with the proof that of all common consumer operating systems,
> only Apple murders privacy, today I tried to add an "App Store" account to
> the iPad I had set up recently to have an Apple ID (which killed privacy).
> *Piece of shit iOS has absolutely zero privacy for God's sake*
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17771&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17771>
>
> Now... Apple murders privacy again by requiring 2FA to prove I'm me.
>
> So I give away my identity (again!) to Apple with a phone number that is
> very personal and very validly only mine - and that satisfies Apple's
> hunger to know everything there is to know about you that it can get.
>
> Sigh... but it gets worse...
>
> When I try to log into the App Store, I'm *required* to give Apple an
> address which I did NOT have to give Apple to create the Apple ID.
>
> Huh?
>
> Why can't stupid Apple keep their own identifications in the same place?
>
> But wait... there's more.
> Now for this *second* ID on the iPad, I have to give Apple *more* private
> information. It's not enough that they already know who I am.
>
> Now they want to know *where I live*.
> WTF.
>
> Bastards.
>
> But wait... you'd think the address can be completely bogus, right?
>
> Nope...
>
> It has to be a "valid" address.
> Just to create an account on Apple's mainframe servers to get apps.
>
> How do I know that?
>
> Because I type a bogus address (made up so I can't remember it now), and it
> fails, but it doesn't tell you why other than it must be a "valid" address.
>
> WTF?
>
> Why is it that only Apple murders privacy just so you can get apps for iOS?
>
> Anyway, I come up with the idea of picking an address off the Internet
> using the "Random Address in California Generator" which gives me a "valid"
> address so Apple's mainframe servers are happy with the App Store account.
> <https://codebeautify.org/random-address-in-california>
>
> And then... only then... after handing Apple my identity ...
>
> That works. I get the app.
>
> But why did I have to do those machinations?
> Why does only Apple murder privacy?
>
> No other common OS system vendor requires you to give up your privacy
> just to get apps off the app store so that the device can do stuff.
>
> Just Apple.
>
> That's a fact.

OH, and BTW, ONLY Apple requires anything because it is the ONLY
provider of App Store apps. The headline is a non-sequitur For God's sake!

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Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11/24/2024 6:51 PM, Andrew wrote:
>> In keeping with the proof that of all common consumer operating systems,
>> only Apple murders privacy, today I tried to add an "App Store" account to
>> the iPad I had set up recently to have an Apple ID (which killed privacy).
>> *Piece of shit iOS has absolutely zero privacy for God's sake*
>> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17771&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17771>
>>
>> Now... Apple murders privacy again by requiring 2FA to prove I'm me.
>>
>> So I give away my identity (again!) to Apple with a phone number that is
>> very personal and very validly only mine - and that satisfies Apple's
>> hunger to know everything there is to know about you that it can get.
>>
>> Sigh... but it gets worse...
>>
>> When I try to log into the App Store, I'm *required* to give Apple an
>> address which I did NOT have to give Apple to create the Apple ID.
>>
>> Huh?
>>
>> Why can't stupid Apple keep their own identifications in the same place?
>>
>> But wait... there's more.
>> Now for this *second* ID on the iPad, I have to give Apple *more* private
>> information. It's not enough that they already know who I am.
>>
>> Now they want to know *where I live*.
>> WTF.
>>
>> Bastards.
>>
>> But wait... you'd think the address can be completely bogus, right?
>>
>> Nope...
>>
>> It has to be a "valid" address.
>> Just to create an account on Apple's mainframe servers to get apps.
>>
>> How do I know that?
>>
>> Because I type a bogus address (made up so I can't remember it now), and it
>> fails, but it doesn't tell you why other than it must be a "valid" address.
>>
>> WTF?
>>
>> Why is it that only Apple murders privacy just so you can get apps for iOS?
>>
>> Anyway, I come up with the idea of picking an address off the Internet
>> using the "Random Address in California Generator" which gives me a "valid"
>> address so Apple's mainframe servers are happy with the App Store account.
>> <https://codebeautify.org/random-address-in-california>
>>
>> And then... only then... after handing Apple my identity ...
>>
>> That works. I get the app.
>>
>> But why did I have to do those machinations?
>> Why does only Apple murder privacy?
>>
>> No other common OS system vendor requires you to give up your privacy
>> just to get apps off the app store so that the device can do stuff.
>>
>> Just Apple.
>>
>> That's a fact.
>
> So why do you even have an iPad? There are Android tablets.

He has said many times he has all the operating systems.
That's why he knows so much about each of them.

Subject: Re: Only Apple requires a "valid" address just to download software off the App Store
From: Alan
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.advocacy
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On 2024-11-25 14:19, Peter wrote:
> Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/24/2024 6:51 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>> In keeping with the proof that of all common consumer operating systems,
>>> only Apple murders privacy, today I tried to add an "App Store" account to
>>> the iPad I had set up recently to have an Apple ID (which killed privacy).
>>> *Piece of shit iOS has absolutely zero privacy for God's sake*
>>> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17771&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17771>
>>>
>>> Now... Apple murders privacy again by requiring 2FA to prove I'm me.
>>>
>>> So I give away my identity (again!) to Apple with a phone number that is
>>> very personal and very validly only mine - and that satisfies Apple's
>>> hunger to know everything there is to know about you that it can get.
>>>
>>> Sigh... but it gets worse...
>>>
>>> When I try to log into the App Store, I'm *required* to give Apple an
>>> address which I did NOT have to give Apple to create the Apple ID.
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>>
>>> Why can't stupid Apple keep their own identifications in the same place?
>>>
>>> But wait... there's more.
>>> Now for this *second* ID on the iPad, I have to give Apple *more* private
>>> information. It's not enough that they already know who I am.
>>>
>>> Now they want to know *where I live*.
>>> WTF.
>>>
>>> Bastards.
>>>
>>> But wait... you'd think the address can be completely bogus, right?
>>>
>>> Nope...
>>>
>>> It has to be a "valid" address.
>>> Just to create an account on Apple's mainframe servers to get apps.
>>>
>>> How do I know that?
>>>
>>> Because I type a bogus address (made up so I can't remember it now), and it
>>> fails, but it doesn't tell you why other than it must be a "valid" address.
>>>
>>> WTF?
>>>
>>> Why is it that only Apple murders privacy just so you can get apps for iOS?
>>>
>>> Anyway, I come up with the idea of picking an address off the Internet
>>> using the "Random Address in California Generator" which gives me a "valid"
>>> address so Apple's mainframe servers are happy with the App Store account.
>>> <https://codebeautify.org/random-address-in-california>
>>>
>>> And then... only then... after handing Apple my identity ...
>>>
>>> That works. I get the app.
>>>
>>> But why did I have to do those machinations?
>>> Why does only Apple murder privacy?
>>>
>>> No other common OS system vendor requires you to give up your privacy
>>> just to get apps off the app store so that the device can do stuff.
>>>
>>> Just Apple.
>>>
>>> That's a fact.
>>
>> So why do you even have an iPad? There are Android tablets.
>
> He has said many times he has all the operating systems.
> That's why he knows so much about each of them.

Yeah...

....but he says a LOT of things that are complete bullshit.

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Tom Elam wrote on Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:59:56 -0500 :

>> No other common OS system vendor requires you to give up your privacy
>> just to get apps off the app store so that the device can do stuff.
>>
>> Just Apple.
>>
>> That's a fact.
>
> That is not true. Google Services also requires a valid mobile number
> for 2FA.

Wrong.

I have plenty of Google accounts and not one of them requires 2FA.
Apple is the only OS vendor who murders privacy with 2FA being required.

Notice there's a reason I say that the Apple trolls know nothing about
anything since you don't know this fact - but you "think" you know it.

Google only required 2FA for about a month or two a couple of years ago and
then stopped that requirement because of the uproar by people who hated it.
*There are now 3rd-party MUAs to recover from Google May 30th 2022 unilateral loss of privacy*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/prNMni71S3k/m/Y3yrV5EFBQAJ>

By August of 2022, Google stopped requiring 2FA/2FV/MFV for their accounts.
That's a fact.

What's interesting is the Apple trolls are all on Mount Stupid where they
think they know facts - but in reality - they know nothing about anything.

Subject: Re: Only Apple requires a "valid" address just to download software off the App Store
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On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 16:28:01 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

> On 11/24/2024 6:51 PM, Andrew wrote:
>> In keeping with the proof that of all common consumer operating systems,
>> only Apple murders privacy, today I tried to add an "App Store" account to
>> the iPad I had set up recently to have an Apple ID (which killed privacy).
>> *Piece of shit iOS has absolutely zero privacy for God's sake*
>> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17771&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17771>
>>
>> Now... Apple murders privacy again by requiring 2FA to prove I'm me.
>>
>> So I give away my identity (again!) to Apple with a phone number that is
>> very personal and very validly only mine - and that satisfies Apple's
>> hunger to know everything there is to know about you that it can get.
>>
>> Sigh... but it gets worse...
>>
>> When I try to log into the App Store, I'm *required* to give Apple an
>> address which I did NOT have to give Apple to create the Apple ID.
>>
>> Huh?
>>
>> Why can't stupid Apple keep their own identifications in the same place?
>>
>> But wait... there's more.
>> Now for this *second* ID on the iPad, I have to give Apple *more* private
>> information. It's not enough that they already know who I am.
>>
>> Now they want to know *where I live*.
>> WTF.
>>
>> Bastards.
>>
>> But wait... you'd think the address can be completely bogus, right?
>>
>> Nope...
>>
>> It has to be a "valid" address.
>> Just to create an account on Apple's mainframe servers to get apps.
>>
>> How do I know that?
>>
>> Because I type a bogus address (made up so I can't remember it now), and it
>> fails, but it doesn't tell you why other than it must be a "valid" address.
>>
>> WTF?
>>
>> Why is it that only Apple murders privacy just so you can get apps for iOS?
>>
>> Anyway, I come up with the idea of picking an address off the Internet
>> using the "Random Address in California Generator" which gives me a "valid"
>> address so Apple's mainframe servers are happy with the App Store account.
>> <https://codebeautify.org/random-address-in-california>
>>
>> And then... only then... after handing Apple my identity ...
>>
>> That works. I get the app.
>>
>> But why did I have to do those machinations?
>> Why does only Apple murder privacy?
>>
>> No other common OS system vendor requires you to give up your privacy
>> just to get apps off the app store so that the device can do stuff.
>>
>> Just Apple.
>>
>> That's a fact.
>
> Amazon requires a valid address to deliver :)

Amazon doesn't deliver for free so Amazon knows your credit card.
Your credit card requires your valid address as does the delivery.

Apple gives you apps for free so Apple doesn't need your credit card.

Amazon needs your valid address to deliver the product but only Apple
requires a valid address just to deliver to you an app which is free.

Microsoft & Google don't require a valid address just to get free apps.

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On 2024-11-25 14:34, Nick Cine wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 16:28:01 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:
>
>> On 11/24/2024 6:51 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>> In keeping with the proof that of all common consumer operating systems,
>>> only Apple murders privacy, today I tried to add an "App Store" account to
>>> the iPad I had set up recently to have an Apple ID (which killed privacy).
>>> *Piece of shit iOS has absolutely zero privacy for God's sake*
>>> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17771&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17771>
>>>
>>> Now... Apple murders privacy again by requiring 2FA to prove I'm me.
>>>
>>> So I give away my identity (again!) to Apple with a phone number that is
>>> very personal and very validly only mine - and that satisfies Apple's
>>> hunger to know everything there is to know about you that it can get.
>>>
>>> Sigh... but it gets worse...
>>>
>>> When I try to log into the App Store, I'm *required* to give Apple an
>>> address which I did NOT have to give Apple to create the Apple ID.
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>>
>>> Why can't stupid Apple keep their own identifications in the same place?
>>>
>>> But wait... there's more.
>>> Now for this *second* ID on the iPad, I have to give Apple *more* private
>>> information. It's not enough that they already know who I am.
>>>
>>> Now they want to know *where I live*.
>>> WTF.
>>>
>>> Bastards.
>>>
>>> But wait... you'd think the address can be completely bogus, right?
>>>
>>> Nope...
>>>
>>> It has to be a "valid" address.
>>> Just to create an account on Apple's mainframe servers to get apps.
>>>
>>> How do I know that?
>>>
>>> Because I type a bogus address (made up so I can't remember it now), and it
>>> fails, but it doesn't tell you why other than it must be a "valid" address.
>>>
>>> WTF?
>>>
>>> Why is it that only Apple murders privacy just so you can get apps for iOS?
>>>
>>> Anyway, I come up with the idea of picking an address off the Internet
>>> using the "Random Address in California Generator" which gives me a "valid"
>>> address so Apple's mainframe servers are happy with the App Store account.
>>> <https://codebeautify.org/random-address-in-california>
>>>
>>> And then... only then... after handing Apple my identity ...
>>>
>>> That works. I get the app.
>>>
>>> But why did I have to do those machinations?
>>> Why does only Apple murder privacy?
>>>
>>> No other common OS system vendor requires you to give up your privacy
>>> just to get apps off the app store so that the device can do stuff.
>>>
>>> Just Apple.
>>>
>>> That's a fact.
>>
>> Amazon requires a valid address to deliver :)
>
> Amazon doesn't deliver for free so Amazon knows your credit card.
> Your credit card requires your valid address as does the delivery.
>
> Apple gives you apps for free so Apple doesn't need your credit card.

And you don't need to give it.

>
> Amazon needs your valid address to deliver the product but only Apple
> requires a valid address just to deliver to you an app which is free.
>
> Microsoft & Google don't require a valid address just to get free apps.

An Apple Account doesn't require you give a valid address.

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On 2024-11-25 13:58:00 +0000, Tom Elam said:

> On 11/24/2024 6:51 PM, Andrew wrote:
>> In keeping with the proof that of all common consumer operating systems,
>> only Apple murders privacy, today I tried to add an "App Store" account to
>> the iPad I had set up recently to have an Apple ID (which killed privacy).
>> *Piece of shit iOS has absolutely zero privacy for God's sake*
>> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17771&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17771>
>>
>>
>> Now... Apple murders privacy again by requiring 2FA to prove I'm me.
>>
>> So I give away my identity (again!) to Apple with a phone number that is
>> very personal and very validly only mine - and that satisfies Apple's
>> hunger to know everything there is to know about you that it can get.
>>
>> Sigh... but it gets worse...
>>
>> When I try to log into the App Store, I'm *required* to give Apple an
>> address which I did NOT have to give Apple to create the Apple ID.
>>
>> Huh?
>>
>> Why can't stupid Apple keep their own identifications in the same place?
>>
>> But wait... there's more.
>> Now for this *second* ID on the iPad, I have to give Apple *more* private
>> information. It's not enough that they already know who I am.
>>
>> Now they want to know *where I live*.
>> WTF.
>>
>> Bastards.
>>
>> But wait... you'd think the address can be completely bogus, right?
>>
>> Nope...
>>
>> It has to be a "valid" address.
>> Just to create an account on Apple's mainframe servers to get apps.
>>
>> How do I know that?
>>
>> Because I type a bogus address (made up so I can't remember it now), and it
>> fails, but it doesn't tell you why other than it must be a "valid" address.
>>
>> WTF?
>>
>> Why is it that only Apple murders privacy just so you can get apps for iOS?
>>
>> Anyway, I come up with the idea of picking an address off the Internet
>> using the "Random Address in California Generator" which gives me a "valid"
>> address so Apple's mainframe servers are happy with the App Store account.
>> <https://codebeautify.org/random-address-in-california>
>>
>> And then... only then... after handing Apple my identity ...
>>
>> That works. I get the app.
>>
>> But why did I have to do those machinations?
>> Why does only Apple murder privacy?
>>
>> No other common OS system vendor requires you to give up your privacy
>> just to get apps off the app store so that the device can do stuff.
>>
>> Just Apple.
>>
>> That's a fact.
>
> So why do you even have an iPad? There are Android tablets.

Can people please stop replying that idiotic name-changing troll. :-\

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On 2024-11-25 08:58, Tom Elam wrote:

> So why

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Tom Elam wrote on Mon, 25 Nov 2024 16:30:40 -0500 :

> OH, and BTW, ONLY Apple requires anything because it is the ONLY
> provider of App Store apps. The headline is a non-sequitur For God's sake!

I get it that you're joking but what you need to know is Apple lied.

Rest assured I don't mind at all that it's only Apple that requires you to
create a privacy robbing account just to populate the device with apps.

What bothers me are all of Apple's brazen lies about privacy when doing
that (where Apple inserts your Apple ID into EVERY app you download).

Why do you think Apple is tracking every move you make on that iOS device?

Subject: Re: Only Apple requires a "valid" address just to download software off the App Store
From: Tom Elam
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From: thomas.e.elam@gmail.com (Tom Elam)
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Subject: Re: Only Apple requires a "valid" address just to download software
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On 11/24/2024 6:51 PM, Andrew wrote:
> In keeping with the proof that of all common consumer operating systems,
> only Apple murders privacy, today I tried to add an "App Store" account to
> the iPad I had set up recently to have an Apple ID (which killed privacy).
> *Piece of shit iOS has absolutely zero privacy for God's sake*
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17771&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17771>
>
> Now... Apple murders privacy again by requiring 2FA to prove I'm me.
>
> So I give away my identity (again!) to Apple with a phone number that is
> very personal and very validly only mine - and that satisfies Apple's
> hunger to know everything there is to know about you that it can get.
>
> Sigh... but it gets worse...
>
> When I try to log into the App Store, I'm *required* to give Apple an
> address which I did NOT have to give Apple to create the Apple ID.
>
> Huh?
>
> Why can't stupid Apple keep their own identifications in the same place?
>
> But wait... there's more.
> Now for this *second* ID on the iPad, I have to give Apple *more* private
> information. It's not enough that they already know who I am.
>
> Now they want to know *where I live*.
> WTF.
>
> Bastards.
>
> But wait... you'd think the address can be completely bogus, right?
>
> Nope...
>
> It has to be a "valid" address.
> Just to create an account on Apple's mainframe servers to get apps.
>
> How do I know that?
>
> Because I type a bogus address (made up so I can't remember it now), and it
> fails, but it doesn't tell you why other than it must be a "valid" address.
>
> WTF?
>
> Why is it that only Apple murders privacy just so you can get apps for iOS?
>
> Anyway, I come up with the idea of picking an address off the Internet
> using the "Random Address in California Generator" which gives me a "valid"
> address so Apple's mainframe servers are happy with the App Store account.
> <https://codebeautify.org/random-address-in-california>
>
> And then... only then... after handing Apple my identity ...
>
> That works. I get the app.
>
> But why did I have to do those machinations?
> Why does only Apple murder privacy?
>
> No other common OS system vendor requires you to give up your privacy
> just to get apps off the app store so that the device can do stuff.
>
> Just Apple.
>
> That's a fact.

You can remove your phone number if you turn off iMessage and Facetime
on the phone with that number. I just watched a video on creating an
Apple account. You could choose email or phone for 2FA.

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