Andrew wrote:

>badgolferman wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 18:01:08 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>>We only have to get rid of the remaining "shit-show trolls" (as
>>>you refer to them) of Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
>>>Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al., and this newsgroup would start
>>>to become normal again
>>
>> I'd have to excuse Chris from that list. He seems far more
>>reasonable than the rest of the hive.
>
>I agree with you that Chris is "far more reasonable" than the rest of
>the hive as I've studied all of their strange actions, such that I'd
>put them into these loose groupings of similar personalities when
>posting here.
>
>
>Jolly Roger === Lewis
>Alan Baker === Joerg Lorenz
>Haemactylus === Your Name
>Alan Browne === Chris
>nospam === he is in a category of his own
>
>The reason nospam is in his own category is that he actually knew far
>more about Apple devices than the rest of the Apple trolls did, even
>as if we took him at face value - we would conclude he knew nothing -
>but he was simply denying everything that Apple didn't do as not
>needed & not wanted.
>
>Alan Browne and Chris are together in a category as they can actually
>think for themselves (e.g., Alan Browne loves to quote Apple white
>papers, and Alan Browne came up with his own analogy that the
>walled-garden restrictions are an elite "clubhouse" that you have to
>pay dearly to be admitted to). Likewise, Chris can discuss some
>things on an adult level.
>
>Haemactylus & Your Name can't discuss anything at an adult level, and
>neither can Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz but the category differences
>are that the latter two post frequently to this ng while the former
>two do not, and, what Haemactylus & Your Name post is drivel never
>related to the topic.
>
>Not that Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz don't post drivel - the difference
>being Alan & Joerg have no purpose for posting other than for their
>own amusement.
>
>When it comes to the king of Apple trolls though (now that nospam's
>contract ran out) is Jolly Roger, who has been posting to this
>newsgroup for at least as long as I have and who is the classic
>epitome of the Apple troll.
>
>To Jolly Roger, anything that is NOT a cheering squad for the Apple
>troll team, is something to be reviled. Detested to the level that
>Jolly Roger hurls vicious yet childish "your mother is a slut" type
>of inane childish vindictives (as he's a fifth-grade sadistic bully
>in all ways possible).
>
>As for nospam... he was perhaps the most despicable of these Apple
>trolls, in that he brazenly lied to everyone to their face without
>any qualms.
>
>Where we can lump both Jolly Roger & nospam is they are both sadistic
>completely unprepossessing human beings whose very existence proves
>that such evil people who possess no human value can be so horrible
>to those that do simply because they have been told their entire
>lives that they're stupid - and they want to get back at everyone
>else for doing that to them.
>
>Do you think I have them better pegged appropriately enough yet with
>those clarifying distinctions above?

Maybe Chris should be in his own category. Anyone who can see through
Jolly Roger's bullshit and calls him out for it is okay with me.

--
"How can I lose to such an idiot?" ~ A shout from chess grandmaster
Aaron Nimzovich

On 2024-11-22 11:17, badgolferman wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> badgolferman wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 18:01:08 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>>>> We only have to get rid of the remaining "shit-show trolls" (as
>>>> you refer to them) of Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
>>>> Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al., and this newsgroup would start
>>>> to become normal again
>>>
>>> I'd have to excuse Chris from that list. He seems far more
>>> reasonable than the rest of the hive.
>>
>> I agree with you that Chris is "far more reasonable" than the rest of
>> the hive as I've studied all of their strange actions, such that I'd
>> put them into these loose groupings of similar personalities when
>> posting here.
>>
>>
>> Jolly Roger === Lewis
>> Alan Baker === Joerg Lorenz
>> Haemactylus === Your Name
>> Alan Browne === Chris
>> nospam === he is in a category of his own
>>
>> The reason nospam is in his own category is that he actually knew far
>> more about Apple devices than the rest of the Apple trolls did, even
>> as if we took him at face value - we would conclude he knew nothing -
>> but he was simply denying everything that Apple didn't do as not
>> needed & not wanted.
>>
>> Alan Browne and Chris are together in a category as they can actually
>> think for themselves (e.g., Alan Browne loves to quote Apple white
>> papers, and Alan Browne came up with his own analogy that the
>> walled-garden restrictions are an elite "clubhouse" that you have to
>> pay dearly to be admitted to). Likewise, Chris can discuss some
>> things on an adult level.
>>
>> Haemactylus & Your Name can't discuss anything at an adult level, and
>> neither can Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz but the category differences
>> are that the latter two post frequently to this ng while the former
>> two do not, and, what Haemactylus & Your Name post is drivel never
>> related to the topic.
>>
>> Not that Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz don't post drivel - the difference
>> being Alan & Joerg have no purpose for posting other than for their
>> own amusement.
>>
>> When it comes to the king of Apple trolls though (now that nospam's
>> contract ran out) is Jolly Roger, who has been posting to this
>> newsgroup for at least as long as I have and who is the classic
>> epitome of the Apple troll.
>>
>> To Jolly Roger, anything that is NOT a cheering squad for the Apple
>> troll team, is something to be reviled. Detested to the level that
>> Jolly Roger hurls vicious yet childish "your mother is a slut" type
>> of inane childish vindictives (as he's a fifth-grade sadistic bully
>> in all ways possible).
>>
>> As for nospam... he was perhaps the most despicable of these Apple
>> trolls, in that he brazenly lied to everyone to their face without
>> any qualms.
>>
>> Where we can lump both Jolly Roger & nospam is they are both sadistic
>> completely unprepossessing human beings whose very existence proves
>> that such evil people who possess no human value can be so horrible
>> to those that do simply because they have been told their entire
>> lives that they're stupid - and they want to get back at everyone
>> else for doing that to them.
>>
>> Do you think I have them better pegged appropriately enough yet with
>> those clarifying distinctions above?
>
>
> Maybe Chris should be in his own category. Anyone who can see through
> Jolly Roger's bullshit and calls him out for it is okay with me.
>

You know, in many ways you're worse than Arlen.

Arlen doesn't pretend to be even-handed or unbiased.

You're really just an asshole.

On 2024-11-22 10:01, badgolferman wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> We only have to get rid of the remaining "shit-show trolls" (as you
>> refer to them) of Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
>> Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al., and this newsgroup would start to
>> become normal again
>
>
> I'd have to excuse Chris from that list. He seems far more reasonable
> than the rest of the hive.
>

Because calling people part of a "hive" is so very reasonable...

🙄

Alan wrote:

>You know, in many ways you're worse than Arlen.
>
>Arlen doesn't pretend to be even-handed or unbiased.
>
>You're really just an asshole.

If that's what you think of me then that says a lot about you.

--
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and
then don't say it." ~ Sam Levenson

On 2024-11-22 12:34, badgolferman wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> You know, in many ways you're worse than Arlen.
>>
>> Arlen doesn't pretend to be even-handed or unbiased.
>>
>> You're really just an asshole.
>
>
> If that's what you think of me then that says a lot about you.
>

If that's why you think, that says a lot about you.

See how easy that is?

:-)

On 2024-11-22 11:17, badgolferman wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> badgolferman wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 18:01:08 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>>>> We only have to get rid of the remaining "shit-show trolls" (as
>>>> you refer to them) of Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
>>>> Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al., and this newsgroup would start
>>>> to become normal again
>>>
>>> I'd have to excuse Chris from that list. He seems far more
>>> reasonable than the rest of the hive.
>>
>> I agree with you that Chris is "far more reasonable" than the rest of
>> the hive as I've studied all of their strange actions, such that I'd
>> put them into these loose groupings of similar personalities when
>> posting here.
>>
>>
>> Jolly Roger === Lewis
>> Alan Baker === Joerg Lorenz
>> Haemactylus === Your Name
>> Alan Browne === Chris
>> nospam === he is in a category of his own
>>
>> The reason nospam is in his own category is that he actually knew far
>> more about Apple devices than the rest of the Apple trolls did, even
>> as if we took him at face value - we would conclude he knew nothing -
>> but he was simply denying everything that Apple didn't do as not
>> needed & not wanted.
>>
>> Alan Browne and Chris are together in a category as they can actually
>> think for themselves (e.g., Alan Browne loves to quote Apple white
>> papers, and Alan Browne came up with his own analogy that the
>> walled-garden restrictions are an elite "clubhouse" that you have to
>> pay dearly to be admitted to). Likewise, Chris can discuss some
>> things on an adult level.
>>
>> Haemactylus & Your Name can't discuss anything at an adult level, and
>> neither can Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz but the category differences
>> are that the latter two post frequently to this ng while the former
>> two do not, and, what Haemactylus & Your Name post is drivel never
>> related to the topic.
>>
>> Not that Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz don't post drivel - the difference
>> being Alan & Joerg have no purpose for posting other than for their
>> own amusement.
>>
>> When it comes to the king of Apple trolls though (now that nospam's
>> contract ran out) is Jolly Roger, who has been posting to this
>> newsgroup for at least as long as I have and who is the classic
>> epitome of the Apple troll.
>>
>> To Jolly Roger, anything that is NOT a cheering squad for the Apple
>> troll team, is something to be reviled. Detested to the level that
>> Jolly Roger hurls vicious yet childish "your mother is a slut" type
>> of inane childish vindictives (as he's a fifth-grade sadistic bully
>> in all ways possible).
>>
>> As for nospam... he was perhaps the most despicable of these Apple
>> trolls, in that he brazenly lied to everyone to their face without
>> any qualms.
>>
>> Where we can lump both Jolly Roger & nospam is they are both sadistic
>> completely unprepossessing human beings whose very existence proves
>> that such evil people who possess no human value can be so horrible
>> to those that do simply because they have been told their entire
>> lives that they're stupid - and they want to get back at everyone
>> else for doing that to them.
>>
>> Do you think I have them better pegged appropriately enough yet with
>> those clarifying distinctions above?
>
>
> Maybe Chris should be in his own category. Anyone who can see through
> Jolly Roger's bullshit and calls him out for it is okay with me.
>

Ask your new friend Arlen what other groups he posts in.

I'd like to check his claim that he isn't universally vilified.

Andrew wrote:
>
> I agree with you that Chris is "far more reasonable" than the rest of
> the hive as I've studied all of their strange actions, such that I'd
> put them into these loose groupings of similar personalities when
> posting here.
<snip a load of drivel>

Another of the constant nymshifting added to the killfile ... simply
proving the moron is nothing but an idiotic cross-posting troll.

-hh wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 13:39:24 -0500 :

> In any event, I'd really want to see a clear comparison laydown of just
> what personal information is really required for using Vendor A vs B
> before trying to condemn any one vendor.
>
> For example, for setting up an Android phone, my understanding is that
> you're required to provide a Google Account, and to get a Google Account
> requires providing full name, phone#, date of birth, gender, & location.
> Gosh, that sounds to be more obtrusive than Apple...is it?

That's a surprisingly adult question for an Apple troll to ask, so I will
faithfully answer that question as best I know as if -hh is an adult.

Fair enough?

Bear in mind I'm an expert at Windows & Android & iOS accounts, so you're
going to hear the truth from me - not something Apple marketing would say.

For Windows, Microsoft would love for you to provide an account, for
reasons which are obvious, but there is no requirement for an account.

Not even on Windows 11 where Microsoft tried to copy Apple's model.

For Linux, I'm sure you're aware there is no requirement to create an
account, so again, no personal information is required of you to use it.

For Android, there is also no requirement whatsoever for an account.

Google has always allowed you to obtain software from the Google Play Store
WITHOUT setting up an account, and of course, anywhere else too.

I have over 900 apps installed on my Android phone, for example, most of
which are off the Google Play Store and I have no Google account set up.

It's only Apple that requires that account.

In reality, you do NOT have to set up an account on an Apple iOS device.
But... it won't be able to do anything.

At least a Windows, Linux & Android device works just fine without the
account, but the Apple device is even more crippled than normal with it.

Let me know if you have any other questions as I use them all personally.

Your Name wrote on Wed, 20 Nov 2024 15:30:04 +1300 :

> And yet another brainless moron troll for the killfile.

The fact is that only Apple requires you to lose your privacy just so that
you can access the app store. Nobody else requires you to set up an account
on the device just so you can install apps from the official app store.

Not Google. Not Microsoft.

Just Apple.

On 2024-11-22 14:03, Andrew wrote:
> Your Name wrote on Wed, 20 Nov 2024 15:30:04 +1300 :
>
>> And yet another brainless moron troll for the killfile.
>
> The fact is that only Apple requires you to lose your privacy just so that
> you can access the app store. Nobody else requires you to set up an account
> on the device just so you can install apps from the official app store.
>
> Not Google. Not Microsoft.
>
> Just Apple.

Giving one's phone number to a company is not "losing your privacy".

On 2024-11-22 13:58, Andrew wrote:
> -hh wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 13:39:24 -0500 :
>
>> In any event, I'd really want to see a clear comparison laydown of just
>> what personal information is really required for using Vendor A vs B
>> before trying to condemn any one vendor.
>>
>> For example, for setting up an Android phone, my understanding is that
>> you're required to provide a Google Account, and to get a Google Account
>> requires providing full name, phone#, date of birth, gender, & location.
>> Gosh, that sounds to be more obtrusive than Apple...is it?
>
> That's a surprisingly adult question for an Apple troll to ask, so I will
> faithfully answer that question as best I know as if -hh is an adult.
>
> Fair enough?
>
> Bear in mind I'm an expert at Windows & Android & iOS accounts, so you're
> going to hear the truth from me - not something Apple marketing would say.
>
> For Windows, Microsoft would love for you to provide an account, for
> reasons which are obvious, but there is no requirement for an account.
>
> Not even on Windows 11 where Microsoft tried to copy Apple's model.

What are the steps an ordinary consumer would have to take to avoid
setting up Windows 11 without a Microsoft account?

>
> For Linux, I'm sure you're aware there is no requirement to create an
> account, so again, no personal information is required of you to use it.
>
> For Android, there is also no requirement whatsoever for an account.
>
> Google has always allowed you to obtain software from the Google Play Store
> WITHOUT setting up an account, and of course, anywhere else too.

Cite please!

>
> I have over 900 apps installed on my Android phone, for example, most of
> which are off the Google Play Store and I have no Google account set up.
>
> It's only Apple that requires that account.
>
> In reality, you do NOT have to set up an account on an Apple iOS device.
> But... it won't be able to do anything.
>
> At least a Windows, Linux & Android device works just fine without the
> account, but the Apple device is even more crippled than normal with it.
>
> Let me know if you have any other questions as I use them all personally.

On 2024-11-22 10:39, -hh wrote:
> On 11/22/24 11:45 AM, Andrew wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote on Thu, 21 Nov 2024 10:24:59 -0500 :
>>
>>> No troll August worked in the main with only a few engaging it.
>>
>> What idiots you Apple trolls are, Alan Browne.
>>
>> I was on *vacation* in Germany most of August, you fools.
>
> As the old saying goes...
>
> "Pics, or it didn't happen."
>
>
> In any event, I'd really want to see a clear comparison laydown of just
> what personal information is really required for using Vendor A vs B
> before trying to condemn any one vendor.

My bet is he will now declare you have an IQ of 40.

:-)

>
> For example, for setting up an Android phone, my understanding is that
> you're required to provide a Google Account, and to get a Google Account
> requires providing full name, phone#, date of birth, gender, & location.
>  Gosh, that sounds to be more obtrusive than Apple...is it?

On 19.11.24 17:34, Peter Piper wrote:
> Your Name a.k.a. BungleBob wrote:
>
>> Another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\
>
> This is not "another" troll. It is the same Arlen, making you dance
> simply by changing its posting name.
>
> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it. It will simply
> change its name when it wants you to feed it again.

It is easy to catch the Arlen with an appropriate filter even if it pops
up as a reincarnation of itself.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> On 19.11.24 17:34, Peter Piper wrote:
>> Your Name a.k.a. BungleBob wrote:
>>
>>> Another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\
>>
>> This is not "another" troll. It is the same Arlen, making you dance
>> simply by changing its posting name.
>>
>> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it. It will simply
>> change its name when it wants you to feed it again.
>
> It is easy to catch the Arlen with an appropriate filter even if it pops
> up as a reincarnation of itself.
>
It has obsessive tropes.

On 11/22/24 6:35 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-11-22 13:58, Andrew wrote:
>> -hh wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 13:39:24 -0500 :
>>> In any event, I'd really want to see a clear comparison laydown of just
>>> what personal information is really required for using Vendor A vs B
>>> before trying to condemn any one vendor.
>> ...
>> Not even on Windows 11 where Microsoft tried to copy Apple's model.
>
> What are the steps an ordinary consumer would have to take to avoid
> setting up Windows 11 without a Microsoft account?

Yup, still waiting.

>> For Android, there is also no requirement whatsoever for an account.
>>
>> Google has always allowed you to obtain software from the Google Play
>> Store WITHOUT setting up an account, and of course, anywhere else too.
>
> Cite please!

Which needs to be reconcile against this, which says that you do:

" A range of Google applications and services is available on your
device when you purchase it, for example, Gmail, Google Maps, YouTube,
and the Google Play application. To get the most out of these services,
you need a Google account."

<https://helpguide.sony.net/mobile/xperia-5/v1/en/contents/why-do-i-need-a-google-account.html>

Plus of course the tracking integral to Google Chrome (see current
lawsuit) where it effectively doxxes its users without them consenting.

-hh

On 2024-11-23 06:57, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

> It has obsessive tropes.

I'll amend that to ...
It has excessive obsessive tropes.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2024-11-23 06:57, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>
>> It has obsessive tropes.
>
> I'll amend that to ...
> It has excessive obsessive tropes.
>
I stand corrected.

On 11/22/2024 1:39 PM, -hh wrote:
> On 11/22/24 11:45 AM, Andrew wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote on Thu, 21 Nov 2024 10:24:59 -0500 :
>>
>>> No troll August worked in the main with only a few engaging it.
>>
>> What idiots you Apple trolls are, Alan Browne.
>>
>> I was on *vacation* in Germany most of August, you fools.
>
> As the old saying goes...
>
> "Pics, or it didn't happen."
>
>
> In any event, I'd really want to see a clear comparison laydown of just
> what personal information is really required for using Vendor A vs B
> before trying to condemn any one vendor.
>
> For example, for setting up an Android phone, my understanding is that
> you're required to provide a Google Account, and to get a Google Account
> requires providing full name, phone#, date of birth, gender, & location.
>  Gosh, that sounds to be more obtrusive than Apple...is it?
>
>
> -hh
>
>
I don't know about DOB, gender or location but a mobile phone number is
required for Google account 2FA.

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/114129?hl=en&ref_topic=3382296&sjid=10692011566103773239-NC

On 2024-11-23 14:48, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-11-23 06:57, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>
>>> It has obsessive tropes.
>>
>> I'll amend that to ...
>> It has excessive obsessive tropes.
>>
> I stand corrected.

Oh, please, relax, recline, crack a beer if so inclined.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

-hh wrote on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 08:52:13 -0500 :

>> What are the steps an ordinary consumer would have to take to avoid
>> setting up Windows 11 without a Microsoft account?
>
> Yup, still waiting.

It's not surprising the Apple trolls know nothing about anything, but even
so, since -hh hasn't acted like the rest of the ignorant trolls, note that
this has been discussed & tested for a long time on the Windows 11 ng.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/thread.php?group=alt.comp.os.windows-10>

What's funny about that is the Apple trolls only look at Apple marketing
brochures to find all their information they think they know about stuff.

>>> For Android, there is also no requirement whatsoever for an account.
>>>
>>> Google has always allowed you to obtain software from the Google Play
>>> Store WITHOUT setting up an account, and of course, anywhere else too.
>>
>> Cite please!
>
> Which needs to be reconcile against this, which says that you do:
>
> " A range of Google applications and services is available on your
> device when you purchase it, for example, Gmail, Google Maps, YouTube,
> and the Google Play application. To get the most out of these services,
> you need a Google account."
> <https://helpguide.sony.net/mobile/xperia-5/v1/en/contents/why-do-i-need-a-google-account.html>

Again (and again) it's no longer shocking the Apple trolls know absolutely
nothing of everything they think they know anything about such as this.

Who is that stupid as to think you need a Google account on Android?
I haven't had a Google account on Android for years and mine works fine.

All you Apple trolls live on Mount Stupid (in Dunning Kruger inexact
terms). You're so stupid you don't even realize how stupid you are.

Bear in mind I'm not stupid.
You're stupid.
I'm not.

Actually, you're incredibly stupid.

The fact is setting up a Google account on Android is NOT needed to have
full functionality (such as downloading & installing apps from the App
Store). I do it all the time and I've been doing it for many years.

Note that adding a Microsoft account isn't needed on Windows either.

It's only Apple who murders your privacy.

> Plus of course the tracking integral to Google Chrome (see current
> lawsuit) where it effectively doxxes its users without them consenting.

I don't have Google Chrome on my Android phone and it works just fine.
I have *plenty* of web browsers - but none of them are Google Chrome.

What's no longer shocking is you Apple trolls know nothing about anything.
And yet... you make these absurd claims... which everyone knows are wrong.

Seriously.

I've never met people this stupid in the flesh in my entire life.

On 11/24/24 7:01 PM, Andrew wrote:
> -hh wrote on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 08:52:13 -0500 :
>
>>> What are the steps an ordinary consumer would have to take to avoid
>>> setting up Windows 11 without a Microsoft account?
>>
>> Yup, still waiting.
>
> It's not surprising the Apple trolls know nothing about anything, ...

No, I just don't really care enough about it to go look it up myself.

> but even
> so, since -hh hasn't acted like the rest of the ignorant trolls, note that
> this has been discussed & tested for a long time on the Windows 11 ng.
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/thread.php?group=alt.comp.os.windows-10>

Please check your URL, because that link goes to a page with scores of
subject lines: kindly provide just the needle, not the entire haystack.

> What's funny about that is the Apple trolls only look at Apple marketing
> brochures to find all their information they think they know about stuff.
>
>>>> For Android, there is also no requirement whatsoever for an account.
>>>>
>>>> Google has always allowed you to obtain software from the Google Play
>>>> Store WITHOUT setting up an account, and of course, anywhere else too.
>>>
>>> Cite please!
>>
>> Which needs to be reconcile against this, which says that you do:
>>
>> " A range of Google applications and services is available on your
>> device when you purchase it, for example, Gmail, Google Maps, YouTube,
>> and the Google Play application. To get the most out of these services,
>> you need a Google account."
>> <https://helpguide.sony.net/mobile/xperia-5/v1/en/contents/why-do-i-need-a-google-account.html>
>
> Again (and again) it's no longer shocking the Apple trolls know absolutely
> nothing of everything they think they know anything about such as this.
>
> Who is that stupid as to think you need a Google account on Android?
> I haven't had a Google account on Android for years and mine works fine.

Oh, so we're to believe your claim over a published guide? Pass.

> The fact is setting up a Google account on Android is NOT needed to have
> full functionality (such as downloading & installing apps from the App
> Store). I do it all the time and I've been doing it for many years.

Substantiation: a "Trust me, Bro!" /s

> Note that adding a Microsoft account isn't needed on Windows either.
>
> It's only Apple who murders your privacy.

Alan's already published instructions on how to set up an iPad without
registering for an Apple account: where did you prove he was incorrect?

>> Plus of course the tracking integral to Google Chrome (see current
>> lawsuit) where it effectively doxxes its users without them consenting.
>
> I don't have Google Chrome on my Android phone and it works just fine.
> I have *plenty* of web browsers - but none of them are Google Chrome.

Not really the point, which was that one can be identified by means
other than a registration account. It is known that Chrome has this,
but how do you know that your non-Chrome browser isn't doing it too?

-hh

On 2024-11-24 23:04, -hh wrote:

> No, I

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Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2024-11-24 23:04, -hh wrote:
>
>> No, I
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I fully agree with you, but find this a losing battle. People will continue
to engage with these toxic troll touting some rationalization of countering
the bullshit, but in reality they just add to the problem. Starve the
trolls of the attention they crave.

On 11/22/2024 1:39 PM, -hh wrote:
> On 11/22/24 11:45 AM, Andrew wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote on Thu, 21 Nov 2024 10:24:59 -0500 :
>>
>>> No troll August worked in the main with only a few engaging it.
>>
>> What idiots you Apple trolls are, Alan Browne.
>>
>> I was on *vacation* in Germany most of August, you fools.
>
> As the old saying goes...
>
> "Pics, or it didn't happen."
>
>
> In any event, I'd really want to see a clear comparison laydown of just
> what personal information is really required for using Vendor A vs B
> before trying to condemn any one vendor.
>
> For example, for setting up an Android phone, my understanding is that
> you're required to provide a Google Account, and to get a Google Account
> requires providing full name, phone#, date of birth, gender, & location.
>  Gosh, that sounds to be more obtrusive than Apple...is it?
>
>
> -hh
>
>

You are correct HH. But this idiot is immune to facts.