Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled Garden! Here
is one that has happened recently for me but not picked up in recent
articles on v.18.2.

The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by saying "Drive
to (place) using Google Maps". Since then Siri defaults to Google Maps
whereas Apple maps was the default unless you asked for Google Maps
again. Today I also asked for directions to a nearest (brand name) store
location from with a brand's app. I was give a choice of Apple or Google
Maps. Apps defaulted to Apple maps before this Siri change, no choice
offered.

Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will be better for it.

On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled Garden! Here
> is one that has happened recently for me but not picked up in recent
> articles on v.18.2.
>
> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by saying "Drive
> to (place) using Google Maps". Since then Siri defaults to Google Maps
> whereas Apple maps was the default unless you asked for Google Maps
> again. Today I also asked for directions to a nearest (brand name) store
> location from with a brand's app. I was give a choice of Apple or Google
> Maps. Apps defaulted to Apple maps before this Siri change, no choice
> offered.
>
> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will be better for it.

Apple creates something that works so well for so many people...

....that big government wants them to destroy it.

On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled Garden!
>> Here is one that has happened recently for me but not picked up in
>> recent articles on v.18.2.
>>
>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by saying "Drive
>> to (place) using Google Maps". Since then Siri defaults to Google Maps
>> whereas Apple maps was the default unless you asked for Google Maps
>> again. Today I also asked for directions to a nearest (brand name)
>> store location from with a brand's app. I was give a choice of Apple
>> or Google Maps. Apps defaulted to Apple maps before this Siri change,
>> no choice offered.
>>
>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will be better
>> for it.
>
> Apple creates something that works so well for so many people...
>
> ...that big government wants them to destroy it.

LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You still have the
Apple defaults.

On 2024-11-05 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled Garden!
>>> Here is one that has happened recently for me but not picked up in
>>> recent articles on v.18.2.
>>>
>>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by saying
>>> "Drive to (place) using Google Maps". Since then Siri defaults to
>>> Google Maps whereas Apple maps was the default unless you asked for
>>> Google Maps again. Today I also asked for directions to a nearest
>>> (brand name) store location from with a brand's app. I was give a
>>> choice of Apple or Google Maps. Apps defaulted to Apple maps before
>>> this Siri change, no choice offered.
>>>
>>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will be better
>>> for it.
>>
>> Apple creates something that works so well for so many people...
>>
>> ...that big government wants them to destroy it.
>
> LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You still have the
> Apple defaults.

That's a business's decision to make, isn't it?

On 11/5/2024 4:23 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-11-05 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled Garden!
>>>> Here is one that has happened recently for me but not picked up in
>>>> recent articles on v.18.2.
>>>>
>>>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by saying
>>>> "Drive to (place) using Google Maps". Since then Siri defaults to
>>>> Google Maps whereas Apple maps was the default unless you asked for
>>>> Google Maps again. Today I also asked for directions to a nearest
>>>> (brand name) store location from with a brand's app. I was give a
>>>> choice of Apple or Google Maps. Apps defaulted to Apple maps before
>>>> this Siri change, no choice offered.
>>>>
>>>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will be better
>>>> for it.
>>>
>>> Apple creates something that works so well for so many people...
>>>
>>> ...that big government wants them to destroy it.
>>
>> LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You still have
>> the Apple defaults.
>
> That's a business's decision to make, isn't it?
That's a nonsense reply. It's a business's decision if Apple's terms
permit a decision. Like, for instance, as an Apple app owner do I want
to use the Apple Store to complete a purchase or fulfill it myself
through a third party? Big brick in the wall, that is not permitted.

Back to your point that it works well for a lot of people, how does that
change if you stick to default Apple apps?

Next up, Apple is going to see a major EU fine if they don't open up
in-app purchase options. One small step in that direction has happened.
We use Kindle Unlimited a bit. Those books are included in the Unlimited
subscription. Until recently on iOS you had to get your Unlimited books
from the Amazon site, not the Amazon app, even though the subscription
covers the cost. Now you can select and load on the Kindle app an
Unlimited book right off the app. That was very inconvenient, and might
push someone to use Apple's Books app. A very small garden wall brick gone.

If the EU succeeds in opening up lower cost in-app purchases consummated
outside the app Apple has a business decision to make. Like maybe lower
their cut of in-app purchases to something reflecting their cost instead
of the monopolistic rates they can charge now by not allowing purchase
completion until they get their cut.

On 2024-11-08 04:41, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 11/5/2024 4:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-11-05 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled Garden!
>>>>> Here is one that has happened recently for me but not picked up in
>>>>> recent articles on v.18.2.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by saying
>>>>> "Drive to (place) using Google Maps". Since then Siri defaults to
>>>>> Google Maps whereas Apple maps was the default unless you asked for
>>>>> Google Maps again. Today I also asked for directions to a nearest
>>>>> (brand name) store location from with a brand's app. I was give a
>>>>> choice of Apple or Google Maps. Apps defaulted to Apple maps before
>>>>> this Siri change, no choice offered.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will be better
>>>>> for it.
>>>>
>>>> Apple creates something that works so well for so many people...
>>>>
>>>> ...that big government wants them to destroy it.
>>>
>>> LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You still have
>>> the Apple defaults.
>>
>> That's a business's decision to make, isn't it?
> That's a nonsense reply. It's a business's decision if Apple's terms
> permit a decision. Like, for instance, as an Apple app owner do I want
> to use the Apple Store to complete a purchase or fulfill it myself
> through a third party? Big brick in the wall, that is not permitted.

Are you really this stupid?

Your last argument was "Apple will be better for it".

Think about that...

....if thinking is something you actually do.

>
> Back to your point that it works well for a lot of people, how does that
> change if you stick to default Apple apps?
>
> Next up, Apple is going to see a major EU fine if they don't open up in-
> app purchase options. One small step in that direction has happened. We
> use Kindle Unlimited a bit. Those books are included in the Unlimited
> subscription. Until recently on iOS you had to get your Unlimited books
> from the Amazon site, not the Amazon app, even though the subscription
> covers the cost. Now you can select and load on the Kindle app an
> Unlimited book right off the app. That was very inconvenient, and might
> push someone to use Apple's Books app.  A very small garden wall brick
> gone.
>
> If the EU succeeds in opening up lower cost in-app purchases consummated
> outside the app Apple has a business decision to make. Like maybe lower
> their cut of in-app purchases to something reflecting their cost instead
> of the monopolistic rates they can charge now by not allowing purchase
> completion until they get their cut.

On 11/8/2024 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-11-08 04:41, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 11/5/2024 4:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-05 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled Garden!
>>>>>> Here is one that has happened recently for me but not picked up in
>>>>>> recent articles on v.18.2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by saying
>>>>>> "Drive to (place) using Google Maps". Since then Siri defaults to
>>>>>> Google Maps whereas Apple maps was the default unless you asked
>>>>>> for Google Maps again. Today I also asked for directions to a
>>>>>> nearest (brand name) store location from with a brand's app. I was
>>>>>> give a choice of Apple or Google Maps. Apps defaulted to Apple
>>>>>> maps before this Siri change, no choice offered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will be
>>>>>> better for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple creates something that works so well for so many people...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...that big government wants them to destroy it.
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You still have
>>>> the Apple defaults.
>>>
>>> That's a business's decision to make, isn't it?
>> That's a nonsense reply. It's a business's decision if Apple's terms
>> permit a decision. Like, for instance, as an Apple app owner do I want
>> to use the Apple Store to complete a purchase or fulfill it myself
>> through a third party? Big brick in the wall, that is not permitted.
>
> Are you really this stupid?
>
> Your last argument was "Apple will be better for it".
>
> Think about that...
>
> ...if thinking is something you actually do.
>
>>
>> Back to your point that it works well for a lot of people, how does
>> that change if you stick to default Apple apps?
>>
>> Next up, Apple is going to see a major EU fine if they don't open up
>> in- app purchase options. One small step in that direction has
>> happened. We use Kindle Unlimited a bit. Those books are included in
>> the Unlimited subscription. Until recently on iOS you had to get your
>> Unlimited books from the Amazon site, not the Amazon app, even though
>> the subscription covers the cost. Now you can select and load on the
>> Kindle app an Unlimited book right off the app. That was very
>> inconvenient, and might push someone to use Apple's Books app.  A very
>> small garden wall brick gone.
>>
>> If the EU succeeds in opening up lower cost in-app purchases
>> consummated outside the app Apple has a business decision to make.
>> Like maybe lower their cut of in-app purchases to something reflecting
>> their cost instead of the monopolistic rates they can charge now by
>> not allowing purchase completion until they get their cut.
>
>

Better, as in not as monopolistic. If they don't change the U.S. and EU
are going to bring the company down.

On 2024-11-10 13:43, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 11/8/2024 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-11-08 04:41, Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 11/5/2024 4:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-05 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>> On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled
>>>>>>> Garden! Here is one that has happened recently for me but not
>>>>>>> picked up in recent articles on v.18.2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by saying
>>>>>>> "Drive to (place) using Google Maps". Since then Siri defaults to
>>>>>>> Google Maps whereas Apple maps was the default unless you asked
>>>>>>> for Google Maps again. Today I also asked for directions to a
>>>>>>> nearest (brand name) store location from with a brand's app. I
>>>>>>> was give a choice of Apple or Google Maps. Apps defaulted to
>>>>>>> Apple maps before this Siri change, no choice offered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will be
>>>>>>> better for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple creates something that works so well for so many people...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...that big government wants them to destroy it.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You still
>>>>> have the Apple defaults.
>>>>
>>>> That's a business's decision to make, isn't it?
>>> That's a nonsense reply. It's a business's decision if Apple's terms
>>> permit a decision. Like, for instance, as an Apple app owner do I
>>> want to use the Apple Store to complete a purchase or fulfill it
>>> myself through a third party? Big brick in the wall, that is not
>>> permitted.
>>
>> Are you really this stupid?
>>
>> Your last argument was "Apple will be better for it".
>>
>> Think about that...
>>
>> ...if thinking is something you actually do.
>>
>>>
>>> Back to your point that it works well for a lot of people, how does
>>> that change if you stick to default Apple apps?
>>>
>>> Next up, Apple is going to see a major EU fine if they don't open up
>>> in- app purchase options. One small step in that direction has
>>> happened. We use Kindle Unlimited a bit. Those books are included in
>>> the Unlimited subscription. Until recently on iOS you had to get your
>>> Unlimited books from the Amazon site, not the Amazon app, even though
>>> the subscription covers the cost. Now you can select and load on the
>>> Kindle app an Unlimited book right off the app. That was very
>>> inconvenient, and might push someone to use Apple's Books app.  A
>>> very small garden wall brick gone.
>>>
>>> If the EU succeeds in opening up lower cost in-app purchases
>>> consummated outside the app Apple has a business decision to make.
>>> Like maybe lower their cut of in-app purchases to something
>>> reflecting their cost instead of the monopolistic rates they can
>>> charge now by not allowing purchase completion until they get their cut.
>>
>>
>
> Better, as in not as monopolistic. If they don't change the U.S. and EU
> are going to bring the company down.
So by that logic (extended), it would be better for you to give me all
your money...

....rather than me shooting and killing you.

On 11/10/2024 5:06 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-11-10 13:43, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 11/8/2024 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-08 04:41, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 11/5/2024 4:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-11-05 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled
>>>>>>>> Garden! Here is one that has happened recently for me but not
>>>>>>>> picked up in recent articles on v.18.2.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by saying
>>>>>>>> "Drive to (place) using Google Maps". Since then Siri defaults
>>>>>>>> to Google Maps whereas Apple maps was the default unless you
>>>>>>>> asked for Google Maps again. Today I also asked for directions
>>>>>>>> to a nearest (brand name) store location from with a brand's
>>>>>>>> app. I was give a choice of Apple or Google Maps. Apps defaulted
>>>>>>>> to Apple maps before this Siri change, no choice offered.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will be
>>>>>>>> better for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple creates something that works so well for so many people...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...that big government wants them to destroy it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You still
>>>>>> have the Apple defaults.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a business's decision to make, isn't it?
>>>> That's a nonsense reply. It's a business's decision if Apple's terms
>>>> permit a decision. Like, for instance, as an Apple app owner do I
>>>> want to use the Apple Store to complete a purchase or fulfill it
>>>> myself through a third party? Big brick in the wall, that is not
>>>> permitted.
>>>
>>> Are you really this stupid?
>>>
>>> Your last argument was "Apple will be better for it".
>>>
>>> Think about that...
>>>
>>> ...if thinking is something you actually do.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Back to your point that it works well for a lot of people, how does
>>>> that change if you stick to default Apple apps?
>>>>
>>>> Next up, Apple is going to see a major EU fine if they don't open up
>>>> in- app purchase options. One small step in that direction has
>>>> happened. We use Kindle Unlimited a bit. Those books are included in
>>>> the Unlimited subscription. Until recently on iOS you had to get
>>>> your Unlimited books from the Amazon site, not the Amazon app, even
>>>> though the subscription covers the cost. Now you can select and load
>>>> on the Kindle app an Unlimited book right off the app. That was very
>>>> inconvenient, and might push someone to use Apple's Books app.  A
>>>> very small garden wall brick gone.
>>>>
>>>> If the EU succeeds in opening up lower cost in-app purchases
>>>> consummated outside the app Apple has a business decision to make.
>>>> Like maybe lower their cut of in-app purchases to something
>>>> reflecting their cost instead of the monopolistic rates they can
>>>> charge now by not allowing purchase completion until they get their
>>>> cut.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Better, as in not as monopolistic. If they don't change the U.S. and
>> EU are going to bring the company down.
> So by that logic (extended), it would be better for you to give me all
> your money...
>
> ...rather than me shooting and killing you.

LOL. You have bragged about Apple being the only company making much
money on smartphones then in denial about why that is true.

On 2024-11-15 08:04, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 11/10/2024 5:06 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-11-10 13:43, Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 11/8/2024 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-08 04:41, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>> On 11/5/2024 4:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-11-05 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled
>>>>>>>>> Garden! Here is one that has happened recently for me but not
>>>>>>>>> picked up in recent articles on v.18.2.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by saying
>>>>>>>>> "Drive to (place) using Google Maps". Since then Siri defaults
>>>>>>>>> to Google Maps whereas Apple maps was the default unless you
>>>>>>>>> asked for Google Maps again. Today I also asked for directions
>>>>>>>>> to a nearest (brand name) store location from with a brand's
>>>>>>>>> app. I was give a choice of Apple or Google Maps. Apps
>>>>>>>>> defaulted to Apple maps before this Siri change, no choice
>>>>>>>>> offered.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will be
>>>>>>>>> better for it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple creates something that works so well for so many people...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...that big government wants them to destroy it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You still
>>>>>>> have the Apple defaults.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a business's decision to make, isn't it?
>>>>> That's a nonsense reply. It's a business's decision if Apple's
>>>>> terms permit a decision. Like, for instance, as an Apple app owner
>>>>> do I want to use the Apple Store to complete a purchase or fulfill
>>>>> it myself through a third party? Big brick in the wall, that is not
>>>>> permitted.
>>>>
>>>> Are you really this stupid?
>>>>
>>>> Your last argument was "Apple will be better for it".
>>>>
>>>> Think about that...
>>>>
>>>> ...if thinking is something you actually do.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Back to your point that it works well for a lot of people, how does
>>>>> that change if you stick to default Apple apps?
>>>>>
>>>>> Next up, Apple is going to see a major EU fine if they don't open
>>>>> up in- app purchase options. One small step in that direction has
>>>>> happened. We use Kindle Unlimited a bit. Those books are included
>>>>> in the Unlimited subscription. Until recently on iOS you had to get
>>>>> your Unlimited books from the Amazon site, not the Amazon app, even
>>>>> though the subscription covers the cost. Now you can select and
>>>>> load on the Kindle app an Unlimited book right off the app. That
>>>>> was very inconvenient, and might push someone to use Apple's Books
>>>>> app.  A very small garden wall brick gone.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the EU succeeds in opening up lower cost in-app purchases
>>>>> consummated outside the app Apple has a business decision to make.
>>>>> Like maybe lower their cut of in-app purchases to something
>>>>> reflecting their cost instead of the monopolistic rates they can
>>>>> charge now by not allowing purchase completion until they get their
>>>>> cut.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Better, as in not as monopolistic. If they don't change the U.S. and
>>> EU are going to bring the company down.
>> So by that logic (extended), it would be better for you to give me all
>> your money...
>>
>> ...rather than me shooting and killing you.
>
> LOL. You have bragged about Apple being the only company making much
> money on smartphones then in denial about why that is true.

How is that relevant to what we're discussing?

You're suggesting something will make Apple "better"...

....because they won't be subject to fines.

Well, duh!

That's an incredibly low and stupid bar.

On 11/15/2024 12:51 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-11-15 08:04, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 11/10/2024 5:06 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-10 13:43, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 11/8/2024 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-11-08 04:41, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/5/2024 4:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-11-05 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled
>>>>>>>>>> Garden! Here is one that has happened recently for me but not
>>>>>>>>>> picked up in recent articles on v.18.2.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by
>>>>>>>>>> saying "Drive to (place) using Google Maps". Since then Siri
>>>>>>>>>> defaults to Google Maps whereas Apple maps was the default
>>>>>>>>>> unless you asked for Google Maps again. Today I also asked for
>>>>>>>>>> directions to a nearest (brand name) store location from with
>>>>>>>>>> a brand's app. I was give a choice of Apple or Google Maps.
>>>>>>>>>> Apps defaulted to Apple maps before this Siri change, no
>>>>>>>>>> choice offered.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will be
>>>>>>>>>> better for it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple creates something that works so well for so many people...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...that big government wants them to destroy it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You still
>>>>>>>> have the Apple defaults.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a business's decision to make, isn't it?
>>>>>> That's a nonsense reply. It's a business's decision if Apple's
>>>>>> terms permit a decision. Like, for instance, as an Apple app owner
>>>>>> do I want to use the Apple Store to complete a purchase or fulfill
>>>>>> it myself through a third party? Big brick in the wall, that is
>>>>>> not permitted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you really this stupid?
>>>>>
>>>>> Your last argument was "Apple will be better for it".
>>>>>
>>>>> Think about that...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...if thinking is something you actually do.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back to your point that it works well for a lot of people, how
>>>>>> does that change if you stick to default Apple apps?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next up, Apple is going to see a major EU fine if they don't open
>>>>>> up in- app purchase options. One small step in that direction has
>>>>>> happened. We use Kindle Unlimited a bit. Those books are included
>>>>>> in the Unlimited subscription. Until recently on iOS you had to
>>>>>> get your Unlimited books from the Amazon site, not the Amazon app,
>>>>>> even though the subscription covers the cost. Now you can select
>>>>>> and load on the Kindle app an Unlimited book right off the app.
>>>>>> That was very inconvenient, and might push someone to use Apple's
>>>>>> Books app.  A very small garden wall brick gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the EU succeeds in opening up lower cost in-app purchases
>>>>>> consummated outside the app Apple has a business decision to make.
>>>>>> Like maybe lower their cut of in-app purchases to something
>>>>>> reflecting their cost instead of the monopolistic rates they can
>>>>>> charge now by not allowing purchase completion until they get
>>>>>> their cut.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Better, as in not as monopolistic. If they don't change the U.S. and
>>>> EU are going to bring the company down.
>>> So by that logic (extended), it would be better for you to give me
>>> all your money...
>>>
>>> ...rather than me shooting and killing you.
>>
>> LOL. You have bragged about Apple being the only company making much
>> money on smartphones then in denial about why that is true.
>
> How is that relevant to what we're discussing?
>
> You're suggesting something will make Apple "better"...
>
> ...because they won't be subject to fines.
>
> Well, duh!
>
> That's an incredibly low and stupid bar.

It will make Apple better because it will enable choices we do not have
now. For example, why can't I specify Google Maps as the default
navigation app and delete Apple Maps? Why can't I dump brain-dead Siri
for Google Assistant? Why can't I have a payment app different from
Apple Wallet? Why can't I use a different application's storefront for
in-app purchases? Why does Apple not allow out-of-app payments at all?

Simple, Apple makes money off it's sole-source options. That is what
this is all about. That's called monopoly power. If Apple does not open
up it may be forced to spin off parts of the company and will certainly
be subject to additional fines.

On 2024-11-15 11:09, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 11/15/2024 12:51 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-11-15 08:04, Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 11/10/2024 5:06 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-10 13:43, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>> On 11/8/2024 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-11-08 04:41, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/5/2024 4:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-05 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled
>>>>>>>>>>> Garden! Here is one that has happened recently for me but not
>>>>>>>>>>> picked up in recent articles on v.18.2.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by
>>>>>>>>>>> saying "Drive to (place) using Google Maps". Since then Siri
>>>>>>>>>>> defaults to Google Maps whereas Apple maps was the default
>>>>>>>>>>> unless you asked for Google Maps again. Today I also asked
>>>>>>>>>>> for directions to a nearest (brand name) store location from
>>>>>>>>>>> with a brand's app. I was give a choice of Apple or Google
>>>>>>>>>>> Maps. Apps defaulted to Apple maps before this Siri change,
>>>>>>>>>>> no choice offered.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will be
>>>>>>>>>>> better for it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple creates something that works so well for so many people...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...that big government wants them to destroy it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You still
>>>>>>>>> have the Apple defaults.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a business's decision to make, isn't it?
>>>>>>> That's a nonsense reply. It's a business's decision if Apple's
>>>>>>> terms permit a decision. Like, for instance, as an Apple app
>>>>>>> owner do I want to use the Apple Store to complete a purchase or
>>>>>>> fulfill it myself through a third party? Big brick in the wall,
>>>>>>> that is not permitted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you really this stupid?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your last argument was "Apple will be better for it".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Think about that...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...if thinking is something you actually do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Back to your point that it works well for a lot of people, how
>>>>>>> does that change if you stick to default Apple apps?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next up, Apple is going to see a major EU fine if they don't open
>>>>>>> up in- app purchase options. One small step in that direction has
>>>>>>> happened. We use Kindle Unlimited a bit. Those books are included
>>>>>>> in the Unlimited subscription. Until recently on iOS you had to
>>>>>>> get your Unlimited books from the Amazon site, not the Amazon
>>>>>>> app, even though the subscription covers the cost. Now you can
>>>>>>> select and load on the Kindle app an Unlimited book right off the
>>>>>>> app. That was very inconvenient, and might push someone to use
>>>>>>> Apple's Books app.  A very small garden wall brick gone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the EU succeeds in opening up lower cost in-app purchases
>>>>>>> consummated outside the app Apple has a business decision to
>>>>>>> make. Like maybe lower their cut of in-app purchases to something
>>>>>>> reflecting their cost instead of the monopolistic rates they can
>>>>>>> charge now by not allowing purchase completion until they get
>>>>>>> their cut.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Better, as in not as monopolistic. If they don't change the U.S.
>>>>> and EU are going to bring the company down.
>>>> So by that logic (extended), it would be better for you to give me
>>>> all your money...
>>>>
>>>> ...rather than me shooting and killing you.
>>>
>>> LOL. You have bragged about Apple being the only company making much
>>> money on smartphones then in denial about why that is true.
>>
>> How is that relevant to what we're discussing?
>>
>> You're suggesting something will make Apple "better"...
>>
>> ...because they won't be subject to fines.
>>
>> Well, duh!
>>
>> That's an incredibly low and stupid bar.
>
> It will make Apple better because it will enable choices we do not have
> now. For example, why can't I specify Google Maps as the default
> navigation app and delete Apple Maps?

Because Apple designed an entire product and you get to decide whether
or not to buy it.

> Why can't I dump brain-dead Siri
> for Google Assistant?

Same answer.

> Why can't I have a payment app different from
> Apple Wallet?

Same answer.

> Why can't I use a different application's storefront for
> in-app purchases?

Same answer.

> Why does Apple not allow out-of-app payments at all?

Same answer.

>
> Simple, Apple makes money off it's sole-source options. That is what
> this is all about. That's called monopoly power. If Apple does not open
> up it may be forced to spin off parts of the company and will certainly
> be subject to additional fines.

It's funny how quickly you supposed free market fanatics want to abandon
it...

....when you think it's good for YOU.

On 11/15/2024 2:23 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-11-15 11:09, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 11/15/2024 12:51 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-15 08:04, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 11/10/2024 5:06 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-11-10 13:43, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/8/2024 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-11-08 04:41, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/5/2024 4:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-05 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled
>>>>>>>>>>>> Garden! Here is one that has happened recently for me but
>>>>>>>>>>>> not picked up in recent articles on v.18.2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by
>>>>>>>>>>>> saying "Drive to (place) using Google Maps". Since then Siri
>>>>>>>>>>>> defaults to Google Maps whereas Apple maps was the default
>>>>>>>>>>>> unless you asked for Google Maps again. Today I also asked
>>>>>>>>>>>> for directions to a nearest (brand name) store location from
>>>>>>>>>>>> with a brand's app. I was give a choice of Apple or Google
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maps. Apps defaulted to Apple maps before this Siri change,
>>>>>>>>>>>> no choice offered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will be
>>>>>>>>>>>> better for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple creates something that works so well for so many people...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...that big government wants them to destroy it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You
>>>>>>>>>> still have the Apple defaults.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's a business's decision to make, isn't it?
>>>>>>>> That's a nonsense reply. It's a business's decision if Apple's
>>>>>>>> terms permit a decision. Like, for instance, as an Apple app
>>>>>>>> owner do I want to use the Apple Store to complete a purchase or
>>>>>>>> fulfill it myself through a third party? Big brick in the wall,
>>>>>>>> that is not permitted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you really this stupid?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your last argument was "Apple will be better for it".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Think about that...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...if thinking is something you actually do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Back to your point that it works well for a lot of people, how
>>>>>>>> does that change if you stick to default Apple apps?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Next up, Apple is going to see a major EU fine if they don't
>>>>>>>> open up in- app purchase options. One small step in that
>>>>>>>> direction has happened. We use Kindle Unlimited a bit. Those
>>>>>>>> books are included in the Unlimited subscription. Until recently
>>>>>>>> on iOS you had to get your Unlimited books from the Amazon site,
>>>>>>>> not the Amazon app, even though the subscription covers the
>>>>>>>> cost. Now you can select and load on the Kindle app an Unlimited
>>>>>>>> book right off the app. That was very inconvenient, and might
>>>>>>>> push someone to use Apple's Books app.  A very small garden wall
>>>>>>>> brick gone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the EU succeeds in opening up lower cost in-app purchases
>>>>>>>> consummated outside the app Apple has a business decision to
>>>>>>>> make. Like maybe lower their cut of in-app purchases to
>>>>>>>> something reflecting their cost instead of the monopolistic
>>>>>>>> rates they can charge now by not allowing purchase completion
>>>>>>>> until they get their cut.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Better, as in not as monopolistic. If they don't change the U.S.
>>>>>> and EU are going to bring the company down.
>>>>> So by that logic (extended), it would be better for you to give me
>>>>> all your money...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...rather than me shooting and killing you.
>>>>
>>>> LOL. You have bragged about Apple being the only company making much
>>>> money on smartphones then in denial about why that is true.
>>>
>>> How is that relevant to what we're discussing?
>>>
>>> You're suggesting something will make Apple "better"...
>>>
>>> ...because they won't be subject to fines.
>>>
>>> Well, duh!
>>>
>>> That's an incredibly low and stupid bar.
>>
>> It will make Apple better because it will enable choices we do not
>> have now. For example, why can't I specify Google Maps as the default
>> navigation app and delete Apple Maps?
>
> Because Apple designed an entire product and you get to decide whether
> or not to buy it.
>
>> Why can't I dump brain-dead Siri for Google Assistant?
>
> Same answer.
>
>> Why can't I have a payment app different from Apple Wallet?
>
> Same answer.
>
>> Why can't I use a different application's storefront for in-app
>> purchases?
>
> Same answer.
>
>> Why does Apple not allow out-of-app payments at all?
>
> Same answer.
>
>>
>> Simple, Apple makes money off it's sole-source options. That is what
>> this is all about. That's called monopoly power. If Apple does not
>> open up it may be forced to spin off parts of the company and will
>> certainly be subject to additional fines.
>
> It's funny how quickly you supposed free market fanatics want to abandon
> it...
>
> ...when you think it's good for YOU.
>

LOL. You probably think breaking up AT&T and forcing Microsoft to make
it easier to select a non-IE default browser were bad ideas too.

I see the day coming that Apple is forced to either spin off the App
Store or give other app sources and in-app purchase options full and
equal access to outside app and out-of-app payments access. Also the
option to specify any app that has a non-Apple equivalent as the default.

It's my phone, not Apple's!

On 2024-11-19 07:17, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 11/15/2024 2:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-11-15 11:09, Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 11/15/2024 12:51 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-15 08:04, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>> On 11/10/2024 5:06 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-11-10 13:43, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/8/2024 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-08 04:41, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/5/2024 4:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-05 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Garden! Here is one that has happened recently for me but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not picked up in recent articles on v.18.2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying "Drive to (place) using Google Maps". Since then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Siri defaults to Google Maps whereas Apple maps was the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> default unless you asked for Google Maps again. Today I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also asked for directions to a nearest (brand name) store
>>>>>>>>>>>>> location from with a brand's app. I was give a choice of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple or Google Maps. Apps defaulted to Apple maps before
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this Siri change, no choice offered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be better for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple creates something that works so well for so many
>>>>>>>>>>>> people...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...that big government wants them to destroy it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You
>>>>>>>>>>> still have the Apple defaults.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's a business's decision to make, isn't it?
>>>>>>>>> That's a nonsense reply. It's a business's decision if Apple's
>>>>>>>>> terms permit a decision. Like, for instance, as an Apple app
>>>>>>>>> owner do I want to use the Apple Store to complete a purchase
>>>>>>>>> or fulfill it myself through a third party? Big brick in the
>>>>>>>>> wall, that is not permitted.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you really this stupid?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your last argument was "Apple will be better for it".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Think about that...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...if thinking is something you actually do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Back to your point that it works well for a lot of people, how
>>>>>>>>> does that change if you stick to default Apple apps?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Next up, Apple is going to see a major EU fine if they don't
>>>>>>>>> open up in- app purchase options. One small step in that
>>>>>>>>> direction has happened. We use Kindle Unlimited a bit. Those
>>>>>>>>> books are included in the Unlimited subscription. Until
>>>>>>>>> recently on iOS you had to get your Unlimited books from the
>>>>>>>>> Amazon site, not the Amazon app, even though the subscription
>>>>>>>>> covers the cost. Now you can select and load on the Kindle app
>>>>>>>>> an Unlimited book right off the app. That was very
>>>>>>>>> inconvenient, and might push someone to use Apple's Books app.
>>>>>>>>> A very small garden wall brick gone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If the EU succeeds in opening up lower cost in-app purchases
>>>>>>>>> consummated outside the app Apple has a business decision to
>>>>>>>>> make. Like maybe lower their cut of in-app purchases to
>>>>>>>>> something reflecting their cost instead of the monopolistic
>>>>>>>>> rates they can charge now by not allowing purchase completion
>>>>>>>>> until they get their cut.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Better, as in not as monopolistic. If they don't change the U.S.
>>>>>>> and EU are going to bring the company down.
>>>>>> So by that logic (extended), it would be better for you to give me
>>>>>> all your money...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...rather than me shooting and killing you.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL. You have bragged about Apple being the only company making
>>>>> much money on smartphones then in denial about why that is true.
>>>>
>>>> How is that relevant to what we're discussing?
>>>>
>>>> You're suggesting something will make Apple "better"...
>>>>
>>>> ...because they won't be subject to fines.
>>>>
>>>> Well, duh!
>>>>
>>>> That's an incredibly low and stupid bar.
>>>
>>> It will make Apple better because it will enable choices we do not
>>> have now. For example, why can't I specify Google Maps as the default
>>> navigation app and delete Apple Maps?
>>
>> Because Apple designed an entire product and you get to decide whether
>> or not to buy it.
>>
>>> Why can't I dump brain-dead Siri for Google Assistant?
>>
>> Same answer.
>>
>>> Why can't I have a payment app different from Apple Wallet?
>>
>> Same answer.
>>
>>> Why can't I use a different application's storefront for in-app
>>> purchases?
>>
>> Same answer.
>>
>>> Why does Apple not allow out-of-app payments at all?
>>
>> Same answer.
>>
>>>
>>> Simple, Apple makes money off it's sole-source options. That is what
>>> this is all about. That's called monopoly power. If Apple does not
>>> open up it may be forced to spin off parts of the company and will
>>> certainly be subject to additional fines.
>>
>> It's funny how quickly you supposed free market fanatics want to
>> abandon it...
>>
>> ...when you think it's good for YOU.
>>
>
> LOL. You probably think breaking up AT&T and forcing Microsoft to make
> it easier to select a non-IE default browser were bad ideas too.

I think there is an identifiable difference between building an
operating system and after the internet had become a thing, tying one's
browser choice to it.

>
> I see the day coming that Apple is forced to either spin off the App
> Store or give other app sources and in-app purchase options full and
> equal access to outside app and out-of-app payments access. Also the
> option to specify any app that has a non-Apple equivalent as the default.
>
> It's my phone, not Apple's!
So buy an Android phone.

On 11/19/2024 12:58 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-11-19 07:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 11/15/2024 2:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-15 11:09, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 11/15/2024 12:51 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-11-15 08:04, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/10/2024 5:06 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-11-10 13:43, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/8/2024 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-08 04:41, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/5/2024 4:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-05 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Garden! Here is one that has happened recently for me but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not picked up in recent articles on v.18.2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying "Drive to (place) using Google Maps". Since then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Siri defaults to Google Maps whereas Apple maps was the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default unless you asked for Google Maps again. Today I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also asked for directions to a nearest (brand name) store
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location from with a brand's app. I was give a choice of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple or Google Maps. Apps defaulted to Apple maps before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this Siri change, no choice offered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be better for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple creates something that works so well for so many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...that big government wants them to destroy it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You
>>>>>>>>>>>> still have the Apple defaults.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's a business's decision to make, isn't it?
>>>>>>>>>> That's a nonsense reply. It's a business's decision if Apple's
>>>>>>>>>> terms permit a decision. Like, for instance, as an Apple app
>>>>>>>>>> owner do I want to use the Apple Store to complete a purchase
>>>>>>>>>> or fulfill it myself through a third party? Big brick in the
>>>>>>>>>> wall, that is not permitted.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you really this stupid?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your last argument was "Apple will be better for it".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Think about that...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...if thinking is something you actually do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Back to your point that it works well for a lot of people, how
>>>>>>>>>> does that change if you stick to default Apple apps?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Next up, Apple is going to see a major EU fine if they don't
>>>>>>>>>> open up in- app purchase options. One small step in that
>>>>>>>>>> direction has happened. We use Kindle Unlimited a bit. Those
>>>>>>>>>> books are included in the Unlimited subscription. Until
>>>>>>>>>> recently on iOS you had to get your Unlimited books from the
>>>>>>>>>> Amazon site, not the Amazon app, even though the subscription
>>>>>>>>>> covers the cost. Now you can select and load on the Kindle app
>>>>>>>>>> an Unlimited book right off the app. That was very
>>>>>>>>>> inconvenient, and might push someone to use Apple's Books app.
>>>>>>>>>> A very small garden wall brick gone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If the EU succeeds in opening up lower cost in-app purchases
>>>>>>>>>> consummated outside the app Apple has a business decision to
>>>>>>>>>> make. Like maybe lower their cut of in-app purchases to
>>>>>>>>>> something reflecting their cost instead of the monopolistic
>>>>>>>>>> rates they can charge now by not allowing purchase completion
>>>>>>>>>> until they get their cut.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Better, as in not as monopolistic. If they don't change the U.S.
>>>>>>>> and EU are going to bring the company down.
>>>>>>> So by that logic (extended), it would be better for you to give
>>>>>>> me all your money...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...rather than me shooting and killing you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL. You have bragged about Apple being the only company making
>>>>>> much money on smartphones then in denial about why that is true.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is that relevant to what we're discussing?
>>>>>
>>>>> You're suggesting something will make Apple "better"...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...because they won't be subject to fines.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, duh!
>>>>>
>>>>> That's an incredibly low and stupid bar.
>>>>
>>>> It will make Apple better because it will enable choices we do not
>>>> have now. For example, why can't I specify Google Maps as the
>>>> default navigation app and delete Apple Maps?
>>>
>>> Because Apple designed an entire product and you get to decide
>>> whether or not to buy it.
>>>
>>>> Why can't I dump brain-dead Siri for Google Assistant?
>>>
>>> Same answer.
>>>
>>>> Why can't I have a payment app different from Apple Wallet?
>>>
>>> Same answer.
>>>
>>>> Why can't I use a different application's storefront for in-app
>>>> purchases?
>>>
>>> Same answer.
>>>
>>>> Why does Apple not allow out-of-app payments at all?
>>>
>>> Same answer.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Simple, Apple makes money off it's sole-source options. That is what
>>>> this is all about. That's called monopoly power. If Apple does not
>>>> open up it may be forced to spin off parts of the company and will
>>>> certainly be subject to additional fines.
>>>
>>> It's funny how quickly you supposed free market fanatics want to
>>> abandon it...
>>>
>>> ...when you think it's good for YOU.
>>>
>>
>> LOL. You probably think breaking up AT&T and forcing Microsoft to make
>> it easier to select a non-IE default browser were bad ideas too.
>
> I think there is an identifiable difference between building an
> operating system and after the internet had become a thing, tying one's
> browser choice to it.
>
>>
>> I see the day coming that Apple is forced to either spin off the App
>> Store or give other app sources and in-app purchase options full and
>> equal access to outside app and out-of-app payments access. Also the
>> option to specify any app that has a non-Apple equivalent as the default.
>>
>> It's my phone, not Apple's!
> So buy an Android phone.