I decided to call it a day when I couldn't remember that wizard's name.
All these people that have been thrust upon me and I still don't know
who they are. Meat pie. My ex-girlfriend used to get into Skyrim with
me and there it's a million generic people and a Jarl so far as I can
tell. I'm going to put a few hours into Elder Scrolls V.

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:02:40 -0500, Altered Beast
<j63480576@gmail.com> wrote:

>I decided to call it a day when I couldn't remember that wizard's name.
>All these people that have been thrust upon me and I still don't know
>who they are. Meat pie. My ex-girlfriend used to get into Skyrim with
>me and there it's a million generic people and a Jarl so far as I can
>tell. I'm going to put a few hours into Elder Scrolls V.

One of the reasons I don't buy modern RPGs like Baldur's Gate 3 and
Witcher 3 is because I think the game is going to place too much
emphasis on bullshit fluff that I don't care about like cutscenes and
characters endlessly talking to each other. I am not sure if that is
true or not in these games but your post is not giving me any
confidence.

On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 07:56:36 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:02:40 -0500, Altered Beast
><j63480576@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I decided to call it a day when I couldn't remember that wizard's name.
>>All these people that have been thrust upon me and I still don't know
>>who they are. Meat pie. My ex-girlfriend used to get into Skyrim with
>>me and there it's a million generic people and a Jarl so far as I can
>>tell. I'm going to put a few hours into Elder Scrolls V.
>
>One of the reasons I don't buy modern RPGs like Baldur's Gate 3 and
>Witcher 3 is because I think the game is going to place too much
>emphasis on bullshit fluff that I don't care about like cutscenes and
>characters endlessly talking to each other. I am not sure if that is
>true or not in these games but your post is not giving me any
>confidence.

<chuckle> You remind me of a gamer we once had in our tabletop RPG
games, who similarly didn't like all the 'talking and play-acting' the
rest of us indulged in. They wanted us to focus more on the fighting,
the loot, and the leveling up.

Which isn't a bad thing, but it seemed to miss the whole point of a
ROLE-PLAYING game. They didn't stay with us very long. We parted
amicably after I made it clear that I -and the other players- were
fine with the game as it was currently being played and maybe they
should seek out another group, or another hobby (I recommended they
consider looking into tactical battle games like Warhammer 40K or
Battletech, since those games focus more on the style of play they
were interested in).

I'd say the same here, except to some degree you do have a point.
There is a significant difference between modern CRPGs and old-school
games from the 80s and early 90s. Those earlier titles focused heavily
on the mechanical aspects of the game -the combat especially- and
character-interactions and narrative were fairly simplistic compared
to what more modern CRPGs offer. Of course, this focus was a result of
the limitations of then-current hardware (especially disk-space, since
dialogue and world-building take many more megabytes than stats and
combat rules). Even back then, I'd frequently bemoan that CRPGs
weren't really role-playing games at all; they were mostly tactical
combat sims. But they were as close as computers of that era could get
to the tabletop experience, so we called them role-playing games.

But I personally have no complaint that modern CRPGs have advanced
past that model (even if they still fall far short of tabletop
gaming). And there are, fortunately, lots of options for people who
prefer the 'old-school' style, although many of them have been
redesignated as different genres. For instance, 2013's "XCOM" probably
would have been considered an extremely full-featured CRPG in 1990,
but now we call it a tactical strategy game.

But whatever. The nice thing about modern gaming is there's pretty
much a game for everybody's taste, so if you don't like GAME-X, just
move onto GAME-Y and that might suit you better.

;-)

On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 12:34:03 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

><chuckle> You remind me of a gamer we once had in our tabletop RPG
>games, who similarly didn't like all the 'talking and play-acting' the
>rest of us indulged in. They wanted us to focus more on the fighting,
>the loot, and the leveling up.

I'm not sure how I would react to tabletop gaming, I never did it.

As for modern games, I think some of these developers would rather be
making movies then games. <shrug>

Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 12:34:03 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
> <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>><chuckle> You remind me of a gamer we once had in our tabletop RPG
>>games, who similarly didn't like all the 'talking and play-acting' the
>>rest of us indulged in. They wanted us to focus more on the fighting,
>>the loot, and the leveling up.
>
> I'm not sure how I would react to tabletop gaming, I never did it.
>
> As for modern games, I think some of these developers would rather be
> making movies then games. <shrug>

The issue is of course that a lot of modern games (even non-rpg ones)
are very much inspired by those very story-driven and otherwise mechanical
eastern style crpgs (think Final Fantasy or Dragon Warrior) that
became popular in the 90s. It's a different approach to roleplaying
games, although the DNA still is in there. Somewhere.

Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the
porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 12:34:03 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>><chuckle> You remind me of a gamer we once had in our tabletop RPG
>>games, who similarly didn't like all the 'talking and play-acting' the
>>rest of us indulged in. They wanted us to focus more on the fighting,
>>the loot, and the leveling up.
>
>I'm not sure how I would react to tabletop gaming, I never did it.
>
>As for modern games, I think some of these developers would rather be
>making movies then games. <shrug>

Ahh they have Chris Roberts disease. (Wing Commander.)

Xocyll

On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 14:16:34 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:

>Ahh they have Chris Roberts disease. (Wing Commander.)
>
>Xocyll

Good call. I like Wing Commander but 'Chris Roberts disease' works for
me.