JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>On 07/12/2024 04:00, Justisaur wrote:
>> On 12/6/2024 6:00 PM, Xocyll wrote:
>>> JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
>>> spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>>
>>>> On 05/12/2024 21:52, Justisaur wrote:
>>>>> As to their algorithm, I believe you posted about them changing to AI
>>>>> moderation, which is orders of magnitude more difficult, or impossible
>>>>> to figure out what the hell it's doing in the black box of it's
>>>>> program.
>>>>>    From what I've read on it, basically no one knows what it's doing
>>>>> and
>>>>> all they can do is retrain it, or implement layers on top of it that
>>>>> try
>>>>> to stop it from doing things they don't want it to.  Then there's the
>>>>> fact they may not even actually try to stop it from doing things that
>>>>> they *say* they don't want it to, or that one would expect fairness
>>>>> out of.
>>>>
>>>> My experience of algorithms, mainly FB, is that they are really bad at
>>>> detecting sarcasm. So I once said 'burn the heretic' and I got hit with
>>>> a seven day ban for extremism language. Do they not understand Brits
>>>> have built a whole way of life around sarcasm.
>>>
>>> Americans rarely get British humor, so an American Algorithm has little
>>> chance.
>>>
>>> These are the folks who decided to remake Fawlty Towers, and decided
>>> that Basil had to go.
>>
>> As an American that grew up on PBS (which played a lot of BBS shows) and
>> enjoys it, I agree.  The number of shows I've seen even recently where
>> they were remade here after I saw the British versions first is
>> astounding.  I don't understand why they need to be remade here.
>> Generally it's much prettier people who are far worse actors, and the
>> scripts rewritten for the braindead.  Wait I think I just answered my
>> own question.  *facepalm*
>>
>
>I can understand tweaking the jokes to make them more accessible but
>they often seem to go beyond that into what feels like being patronising
>as though US audiences need a banner appearing saying this is the joke,
>please laugh.
>
>The other part I find perplexing is the likes of Red Dwarf, Absolutely
>Fabulous, The Inbetweeners etc. where a fundamental part is the main
>characters are basically losers but somehow manage to be relatable
>(maybe it's related to the joke of why there is no British dream like
>the American dream - because we're awake). Tear that up and make them
>nice. Why bother remaking it at all then?

These days, because you offend some woke or DEI type.

In the past, because if they are losers content with their lot then they
are not CHARGING MASSIVE AMOUNTS on their credit cards chasing the
unattainable, (for them,) American Dream and the credit card companies
don't make any money, nor do the collections agents, repo men, Banks,
payday loan places, loan sharks, lotteries, etc.

Everyone must aspire to live like a Kardassian, all those jobs and
shareholder dividends, depend on it!

Xocyll

candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 23:00 this Friday (GMT):
> > candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> >> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 16:42 this Friday (GMT):
> >> > On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 07:27:33 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
> >> ><dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> >> >>On 12/6/2024 3:31 AM, JAB wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> In general I kinda agree with you that companies are more than happy to
> >> >>> accept some users as collateral damage as long as they can avoid getting
> >> >>> a reputation of allowing the likes of hate speech, well unless it's
> >> >>> twitter, sorry X, which seems to embrace it with open arms.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>Doesn't "seem to embrace", has been stated by the owner that it welcomes
> >> >>and encourages it.
> >> >
> >> > To be fair, Twitter only embraces hate speech directed at people the
> >> > owner himself dislikes. Say anything bad about him or his allies,
> >> > though, and you're out on your ass. ;-)
> >> >
> >> > Fortunately, there are alternatives to Twitter, and those are becoming
> >> > increasingly popular.
> >
> >> Bluesky is quite a nice platform.
> >
> > Try Mastodon! ;)

> I don't like mastadon.

So, did I but it's way better than X/Twitter(RIP) now. Even John Romero,
Jordan Mechner, etc. are using it! ;)
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On Fri, 06 Dec 2024 23:03:19 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 13:52:26 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

>> Steam (and other online services, from EGS to YouTube to Bluesky) can
>> and should moderate. But they need to be clear to people about what
>> will and will not trigger actions, and they need to ensure human
>> oversight rather than relying on the AI to correctly judge the
>> situation.

>> At the moment, the issue with my account is resolved. But like you, I
>> feel chary about engaging with the community there anymore.

>Yep.

There's a thing called the trust thermocline. Essentially, it's the
point at which people's distrust in a company forces a massive drop in
support. People will bear with small inconveniences and problems only
up to a certain point, out of inertia or because they've invested so
much into the service. They may not be happy with it, but they won't
leave... up to a point. But once you reach that point, it's pretty
much a lost cause for the company to regain the support of their
customers.

[The so-called Trust Thermocline is not a new idea. It's better
described here. Sorry that it's a long scroll on IMGUR. It's
not my post but the originator of the idea does a better job
of explaining it than me.
https://imgur.com/gallery/trust-thermocline-a1sxiIT ]

This is the sort of thing Valve needs to watch out for. I don't think
they are anywhere near that precipice yet --on the whole, Valve and
Steam are largely perceived as having a net-positive effect on PC
gaming, I think-- but that's sort of the whole point of the trust
thermocline; it's incredibly difficult to judge. People will stick
with the service despite being increasing dissatisfied with the
product.

And there have been numerous niggling issues that Valve has done
little to fix over the years. These include the perception that Valve
overcharges with its 30% cut, the lack of actual game ownership, the
disappointment with the yearly sales, the incessant gambling problem,
or the racism on its board. Individually these are niggling problems
but they add up and erode overall trust and -at some point- the
balance will tip over.

I'm not trying to pile on Valve here. I too personally believe
(despite the issues that prompted the post that triggered this thread)
that overall Steam has been a good curator of the PC gaming market
(certainly it's better than almost any of its competitors). And Valve
has been trying to keep the faith with things by adding new features
(SteamOS, SteamDeck, family streaming, etc.)

But adding new features isn't the panacea it often appears, especially
if old issues remain unaddressed. They need to be wary of crossing
that thermocline and unfortunately I don't think they are doing enough
about it. Which makes me very nervous about what the future holds for
the company... and my innumerable games that are dependent on their
service.

On 07/12/2024 15:48, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> I'm not trying to pile on Valve here. I too personally believe
> (despite the issues that prompted the post that triggered this thread)
> that overall Steam has been a good curator of the PC gaming market
> (certainly it's better than almost any of its competitors). And Valve
> has been trying to keep the faith with things by adding new features
> (SteamOS, SteamDeck, family streaming, etc.)

The difference I find with Steam is that yes they do make mistakes but I
don't think they act in a scummy way. So the latest 'rules' on
battle-passes meaning that companies have to be more upfront about
content and timescales and refunds can happen if they aren't meet. If
Epic where in the same position I expected them not to care in the
slightest as long as they got their cut of the profits. Steam I think
still has the idea that it's about more than just a commercial contract
but also a social one.

To put it simply I'm a lot more forgiving of mistakes (as long as they
put their hands up to them) and a lot less of behaviour that I find
unethical. The former I feel can be corrected whereas the later not
really as it's basically ingrained in a company's culture. It's kinda
what did for me with World of Tanks, trying to squeeze every last penny
out of customers. The final straw though a community manager gaslighting
people on the official forum when raising valid issues about closing it
and moving to Discord. Apparently it wasn't that Discord was really
quite bad as a forum format but instead people were too stupid to
understand why Discord wasn't the best thing ever and forums are for
grandads. I'm surprised they didn't try and sell some crypto-currency at
the same time!

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 13:44 this Saturday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 23:00 this Friday (GMT):
>> > candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
[snip]
>> >> Bluesky is quite a nice platform.
>> >
>> > Try Mastodon! ;)
>
>> I don't like mastadon.
>
> So, did I but it's way better than X/Twitter(RIP) now. Even John Romero,
> Jordan Mechner, etc. are using it! ;)

Literally everything is better than TwXtter now.
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