Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
....
> It was -still is- a quite capable system, despite it being over a
> decade old at this point. Certainly it could handle a lot of my
> mainstay games (<cough>Truck Simulators</cough>) well enough, and even
> a lot of the more modern titles, if at reduced graphics levels. Which
> says less about the power of the machine and more about the state of
> modern gaming.

> But mostly I keep it around because it has easy-swap SATA bays which
> makes it useful for whenever I need to test / wipe hard-drives. No
> need to open up another computer, or fiddle around with external drive
> chassis; I just slip the drive in the caddy and I'm good to go.

Nice. It's hard for me due to my multiple disabilities. :(

> >> (It also had its hard-drives complete with all the user data on it in
> >> unencrypted format. People really need to learn to wipe their drives
> >> before tossing their PCs)

> >Geez. Did you find anything good in their HDDs? ;)

> Are you implying that I snooped around that hard-drive before doing
> the proper thing and deleting the contents of the drive? Why, I never!
> ;-)

> (but all sorts of stuff, including photos, scans of drivers license,
> credit card numbers, documents with government ID, etc. Were I evil, I
> could have done Bad Things with that information. DELETE YOUR DRIVES,
> people!)

That's nuts. I always encrypt my drives!

> >> >So, you're not a RTS fan?
> >
> >> I play them. I enjoy them. They're not my favorite genre, but I don't
> >> dislike them in general.
> >
> >> I'm a bit less sanguine about action/strategy RTS games, where you
> >> have to take on the role of one of the soldiers on the battlefield and
> >> order your troops from a ground-level perspective. I find it messy and
> >> overly complicated. Even though several games -- "Battlezone" (1998)
> >> or "Hostile Waters: Anteaus Rising", for instance-- rose to prominence
> >> based on the mechanic, I think a lot of their success came from the
> >> novelty of the idea rather than its workability. It's a concept that
> >> is better left in the dustbin of history, as far as I'm concerned. ;-)

> >So, you didn't like RTS games like Dune, C&C, WC, SC, AoE, etc. I love those.

> No, that's not what I said.

> Well, except "Dune". I never really liked that one. Too crunky in its
> design. RTS weren't worth playing until C&C/Warcraft, IMHO.

Dune 2 was so awesome on my IBM PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC. I tried to
replay it, but gah its controls were awful adter playing modern RTS
games. One unit at a time?!

> But I played the heck out of the C&C series, enjoyed Warcraft, played
> Age of Empires (and Rise of Nations), and a whole bunch more. I'll
> admit, I was never a fanatic about the genre, and I almost never
> played them online. Mostly, my strategies revolved around turtling up
> and making pretty bases, then building the biggest army and sending
> them en masse to wipe out the baddies when they got too annoying.
> (playing it sort of like SimCity except with annoying neighbors ;-).
> Some engaged me more than others; for instance, I quite enjoyed the
> "Ground Control" games, and I found the "Battle for Middle Earth"
> games much more satisfying than even I expected. But they always
> played second fiddle to more other genres I enjoyed more: FPS games,
> or RPGs, for instance.

> But the ones I enjoyed most were the ones where you had a god's eye
> view of the battle and not the one that also required you to control a
> unit on the ground, like "Hostile Waters", "BattleZone", "Sacrifice"
> and -apparently- "Empire of Ants". I just don't find the hybrid mix of
> RTS and FPS/TPS a good mixture.

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JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
....
> Although my most played RTS is Total Annihilation my favourite is Ground
> Control. The main reason is that it removes the whole resource/base
> management aspects and just concentrates on the tactical gameplay. It
> also didn't degenerate into a click-fest.

I coudln't get into TA with its demo. Funny, my next door neighbor
bought me this game for Christmas and I never opened it because of that!

> My view is games are better if they know what genre they are and stick
> to it. That's why I have a problem with both XCOM:Enemy Unknown and the
> Total War series. I just wish they have one core aspect.

I couldn't get into those too.

> An interesting one was Field of Glory:II where they ditched the basic
> campaign mode from their previous title and instead went with a series
> of linked battles where occasionally you had a choice to make.

I don't think I ever played that series. I am not a fan of that genre too.
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Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
....
> >Bookmarked and wishlisted. This looks antastic!

> Argh. You deserve to be staked out in the desert and covered with
> honey for that pun.

Something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAWrAQp7pWQ
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On 10/19/2024 7:13 PM, Ant wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 10/17/2024 4:23 PM, Ant wrote:
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>> I am itching all over the place now! :-)
>>>>>
>>>> "Bugs, Mr. Rico. Zillions of em!"
>>>
>>> Where is that quote from?
>
>> The book 'Starship Troopers' by Robert Heinlein.
>
> Ah. Was it in the movie too?

I step on you for even mentioning the movie.

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On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 02:17:30 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Well, except "Dune". I never really liked that one. Too crunky in its
>> design. RTS weren't worth playing until C&C/Warcraft, IMHO.

>Dune 2 was so awesome on my IBM PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC. I tried to
>replay it, but gah its controls were awful adter playing modern RTS
>games. One unit at a time?!

In fairness, I really only 'discovered' "Dune II" around the time that
I started playing "Warcraft" and (shortly afterwards) "Command &
Conquer".

[although I played the hell out of Cryo Interactive's
original "Dune" game. Man, that game had awesome music.]

Compared to those later RTS games, the limitations of "Dune II" were
really annoying, and it set my opinion of the game forever afterward.

I did have some fun with the remake, "Dune 2000", released some years
afterward which used the engine and mechanics of "Command & Conquer
II". Although even then, it never ranked that highly, just because
that game came out when there was such a glut of RTS games that it
failed to stand out amongst its peers.

For a while on PC, I think there were more RTS games than FPS. I can't
say I played _all_ of them, but damned if I didn't try! So many titles
almost nobody even remembers anymore: Metal Fatigue, Submarine Titans,
Dark Reign, GeneWars, Baldies, Tzar, Beatdown, Seven Kingdoms,
Firewall, Hooligans, Enemy Nations, Machines, 7th Legion and so many
more...

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> On 10/19/2024 7:13 PM, Ant wrote:
> > Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> >> On 10/17/2024 4:23 PM, Ant wrote:
> >>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>>>> I am itching all over the place now! :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>> "Bugs, Mr. Rico. Zillions of em!"
> >>>
> >>> Where is that quote from?
> >
> >> The book 'Starship Troopers' by Robert Heinlein.
> >
> > Ah. Was it in the movie too?

> I step on you for even mentioning the movie.

I like the movie. I don't like to read. :P
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Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 02:17:30 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
> >Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Well, except "Dune". I never really liked that one. Too crunky in its
> >> design. RTS weren't worth playing until C&C/Warcraft, IMHO.

> >Dune 2 was so awesome on my IBM PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC. I tried to
> >replay it, but gah its controls were awful adter playing modern RTS
> >games. One unit at a time?!

> In fairness, I really only 'discovered' "Dune II" around the time that
> I started playing "Warcraft" and (shortly afterwards) "Command &
> Conquer".

> [although I played the hell out of Cryo Interactive's
> original "Dune" game. Man, that game had awesome music.]

Even with FM MIDI on my original Creative Labs' Sound Blaster in the
same PC! And nice graphics, but the genre was not for me!

> Compared to those later RTS games, the limitations of "Dune II" were
> really annoying, and it set my opinion of the game forever afterward.

> I did have some fun with the remake, "Dune 2000", released some years
> afterward which used the engine and mechanics of "Command & Conquer
> II". Although even then, it never ranked that highly, just because
> that game came out when there was such a glut of RTS games that it
> failed to stand out amongst its peers.

Dune 2K was cool. Don't forget Emperor: Battle for Dune too!

> For a while on PC, I think there were more RTS games than FPS. I can't
> say I played _all_ of them, but damned if I didn't try! So many titles
> almost nobody even remembers anymore: Metal Fatigue, Submarine Titans,
> Dark Reign, GeneWars, Baldies, Tzar, Beatdown, Seven Kingdoms,
> Firewall, Hooligans, Enemy Nations, Machines, 7th Legion and so many
> more...

Tooooooooooooo many. I don't think I played those.

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On 10/20/2024 7:48 PM, Ant wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 10/19/2024 7:13 PM, Ant wrote:
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> On 10/17/2024 4:23 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> I am itching all over the place now! :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bugs, Mr. Rico. Zillions of em!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Where is that quote from?
>>>
>>>> The book 'Starship Troopers' by Robert Heinlein.
>>>
>>> Ah. Was it in the movie too?
>
>> I step on you for even mentioning the movie.
>
> I like the movie. I don't like to read. :P

The movie had been written and was already in pre-production when the
producers found out the movie rights to the book were for sale. So they
bought those rights so they could use the book's title.

No joke.

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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

>On 10/20/2024 7:48 PM, Ant wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> On 10/19/2024 7:13 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/17/2024 4:23 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> I am itching all over the place now! :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bugs, Mr. Rico. Zillions of em!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where is that quote from?
>>>>
>>>>> The book 'Starship Troopers' by Robert Heinlein.
>>>>
>>>> Ah. Was it in the movie too?
>>
>>> I step on you for even mentioning the movie.
>>
>> I like the movie. I don't like to read. :P
>
>The movie had been written and was already in pre-production when the
>producers found out the movie rights to the book were for sale. So they
>bought those rights so they could use the book's title.
>
>No joke.

Title and bolted on a few names from the book, and a couple of themes
(the whole service thing.)

But everything else was a mockery - assault rifles with an apparent
range of 10 feet, forcing the soldiers to shoot point blank at something
that can cut them in half with a swipe. Um yeah, sure.

And the whole psi corp stuff in SS uniforms, no wonder the film is
nicknamed Nazi Germany 90210.

Oh yeah, and the chick flying the ship dodging an asteroid coming in
FTL, yeah, these guys can't even spell science much less know any.

Xocyll

On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:32:49 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
>Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
>entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
>say:
>>On 10/20/2024 7:48 PM, Ant wrote:

>>> I like the movie. I don't like to read. :P

>>The movie had been written and was already in pre-production when the
>>producers found out the movie rights to the book were for sale. So they
>>bought those rights so they could use the book's title.
>>No joke.

>Title and bolted on a few names from the book, and a couple of themes
>(the whole service thing.)

>But everything else was a mockery - assault rifles with an apparent
>range of 10 feet, forcing the soldiers to shoot point blank at something
>that can cut them in half with a swipe. Um yeah, sure.

>And the whole psi corp stuff in SS uniforms, no wonder the film is
>nicknamed Nazi Germany 90210.

>Oh yeah, and the chick flying the ship dodging an asteroid coming in
>FTL, yeah, these guys can't even spell science much less know any.

And don't forget the complete and utter lack of powered battle armor,
something the book is most famous for popularizing.

"Starship Troopers" without powered armor is Star Wars without
lightsabers. I mean, sure you _could_... but why?*

In fairness, a lot of the other stuff mentioned above (the fascism,
the shitty science, the psi stuff) was part and parcel of the book
too, albeit not so central to the narrative. I'll forgive that... even
if I didn't necessarily enjoy it. But the lack of powered armor?

Blatant heresy. Burn Verhoeven at the stake.** ;-)

* that said, I loved "Rogue One" (and later "Andor")_because_ it moved
the Star Wars universe away from Jedi antics. But that was after forty
years of movies, books, cartoons, comics, and video-games based on the
aforementioned Jedi nonsense. ;-)

** I did like the designs of the bugs (even if I don't think they
really matched Heinlein's intent). So maybe only lightly grill
Verhoven ;-)

On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 02:49:52 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 02:17:30 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>> >Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> >> Well, except "Dune". I never really liked that one. Too crunky in its
>> >> design. RTS weren't worth playing until C&C/Warcraft, IMHO.
>
>> >Dune 2 was so awesome on my IBM PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC. I tried to
>> >replay it, but gah its controls were awful adter playing modern RTS
>> >games. One unit at a time?!
>
>> In fairness, I really only 'discovered' "Dune II" around the time that
>> I started playing "Warcraft" and (shortly afterwards) "Command &
>> Conquer".
>
>> [although I played the hell out of Cryo Interactive's
>> original "Dune" game. Man, that game had awesome music.]
>
>Even with FM MIDI on my original Creative Labs' Sound Blaster in the
>same PC! And nice graphics, but the genre was not for me!
>
>
>> Compared to those later RTS games, the limitations of "Dune II" were
>> really annoying, and it set my opinion of the game forever afterward.
>
>> I did have some fun with the remake, "Dune 2000", released some years
>> afterward which used the engine and mechanics of "Command & Conquer
>> II". Although even then, it never ranked that highly, just because
>> that game came out when there was such a glut of RTS games that it
>> failed to stand out amongst its peers.
>
>Dune 2K was cool. Don't forget Emperor: Battle for Dune too!
>
>
>> For a while on PC, I think there were more RTS games than FPS. I can't
>> say I played _all_ of them, but damned if I didn't try! So many titles
>> almost nobody even remembers anymore: Metal Fatigue, Submarine Titans,
>> Dark Reign, GeneWars, Baldies, Tzar, Beatdown, Seven Kingdoms,
>> Firewall, Hooligans, Enemy Nations, Machines, 7th Legion and so many
>> more...
>
>Tooooooooooooo many. I don't think I played those.

To be honest, I dont' have much recollection of them either. I had to
thumb through my CD-ROM folder to pick out a lot of the titles. All of
them, I know, got _some_ play-time, but I don't think I finished a lot
of them.

But, again, that said more for just how _many_ RTS games were
available in the late 90s/early 2000s. You literally could not keep
track of them all.

On 10/21/2024 7:15 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:32:49 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
>> entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
>> say:
>>> On 10/20/2024 7:48 PM, Ant wrote:
>
>>>> I like the movie. I don't like to read. :P
>
>>> The movie had been written and was already in pre-production when the
>>> producers found out the movie rights to the book were for sale. So they
>>> bought those rights so they could use the book's title.
>>> No joke.
>
>> Title and bolted on a few names from the book, and a couple of themes
>> (the whole service thing.)
>
>> But everything else was a mockery - assault rifles with an apparent
>> range of 10 feet, forcing the soldiers to shoot point blank at something
>> that can cut them in half with a swipe. Um yeah, sure.
>
>> And the whole psi corp stuff in SS uniforms, no wonder the film is
>> nicknamed Nazi Germany 90210.
>
>> Oh yeah, and the chick flying the ship dodging an asteroid coming in
>> FTL, yeah, these guys can't even spell science much less know any.
>
>
> And don't forget the complete and utter lack of powered battle armor,
> something the book is most famous for popularizing.
>
> "Starship Troopers" without powered armor is Star Wars without
> lightsabers. I mean, sure you _could_... but why?*
>
> In fairness, a lot of the other stuff mentioned above (the fascism,
> the shitty science, the psi stuff) was part and parcel of the book
> too, albeit not so central to the narrative. I'll forgive that... even
> if I didn't necessarily enjoy it. But the lack of powered armor?
>
Actually the political stuff in the movie is almost the polar opposite
of the book. Heinlein wrote a war story about service, as in western
democracy type "service". The citizenship criteria in the book was
_ANY_ kind of service. Being assigned as a park ranger planting trees
was service and could grant citizenship. He strongly emphasized that
non-citizens were not an underclass.

The "Nazis BAAAAD!" parts of the movie were ALL Verhoeven, things that
he added deliberately. He's admitted that in interviews.

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Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

>On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:32:49 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
>>Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
>>entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
>>say:
>>>On 10/20/2024 7:48 PM, Ant wrote:
>
>>>> I like the movie. I don't like to read. :P
>
>>>The movie had been written and was already in pre-production when the
>>>producers found out the movie rights to the book were for sale. So they
>>>bought those rights so they could use the book's title.
>>>No joke.
>
>>Title and bolted on a few names from the book, and a couple of themes
>>(the whole service thing.)
>
>>But everything else was a mockery - assault rifles with an apparent
>>range of 10 feet, forcing the soldiers to shoot point blank at something
>>that can cut them in half with a swipe. Um yeah, sure.
>
>>And the whole psi corp stuff in SS uniforms, no wonder the film is
>>nicknamed Nazi Germany 90210.
>
>>Oh yeah, and the chick flying the ship dodging an asteroid coming in
>>FTL, yeah, these guys can't even spell science much less know any.
>
>
>And don't forget the complete and utter lack of powered battle armor,
>something the book is most famous for popularizing.

Oh I didn't, those and the Tactical Nuclear Weapons they used.

If you've never read it, check out John Steakley's Armor for another
Armored Infantry vs Giant Alien Ants. Giant being about human sized
and weapon users.

>"Starship Troopers" without powered armor is Star Wars without
>lightsabers. I mean, sure you _could_... but why?*
>
>In fairness, a lot of the other stuff mentioned above (the fascism,
>the shitty science, the psi stuff) was part and parcel of the book
>too, albeit not so central to the narrative. I'll forgive that... even
>if I didn't necessarily enjoy it. But the lack of powered armor?

Roughnecks: The Starship Troopers Chronicles
Did it right for the most part.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0190198/

>Blatant heresy. Burn Verhoeven at the stake.** ;-)

A light singing perhaps, since he's not the one who decided to bolt the
Book name and some char names and some odds and ends to a completely
different movie.

Xocyll

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 23:23 this Thursday (GMT):
> PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 23:54:32 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>
>> >PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 02:12:02 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>> >
>> >> >https://store.steampowered.com/app/2287330/Empire_of_the_Ants/
>> >> >
>> >> >And I'm still too busy and using an old video card (MSI NVIDIA GeForce
>> >> >GTX 750 Ti (N750TI-2GD5/OC; 2 GB of VRAM) so I can't play it for now. :(
>> >> >Maybe I will finally play it in a decade when it is free and have better
>> >> >hardwares. Ha! :P
>> >
>> >> *--
>> >
>> >> Maybe we should all chip in and get Ant what he needs to play his
>> >> family game. Or maybe Spalls will find something good at the
>> >> dumpsters for Ant.
>> >
>> >> I am downloading the demo now :-)
>> >
>> >Please kindly let us know how it is. I know it's pretty, but is it fun?
>> >I didn't like the original game back in Y2K/2001:
>> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_of_the_Ants_%28video_game%29.
>> >Funny, the company gave me a free retail copy back then! They should
>> >give me this one and a better video card/PC. ;) Did anyone play that one?
>
>> *--
>
>> It is pretty for sure, and detailed. I find the angle low to the
>> ground hard to see things and move, especially moving the mouse and
>> making orders. Maybe I should try a controller.. I have ordered a
>> couple of my two groups of ants to attack and claim territory but that
>> is it so far. Looks like there will be lots to do. But not sure how
>> much I can take at a time. A little bit of a learning curve, of
>> course.
>
>> I am going to try it again maybe tomorrow.
>
> Interesting. I thought this RTS game would be perfect for keyboard +
> mouse combined like other RTS games.
>
>
>> I am itching all over the place now! :-)
>
> Do I make you itch too? ;-)

im not allergic to bugs
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Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 02:48 this Monday (GMT):
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 10/19/2024 7:13 PM, Ant wrote:
>> > Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> >> On 10/17/2024 4:23 PM, Ant wrote:
>> >>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> >>> ...
>> >>>>> I am itching all over the place now! :-)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> "Bugs, Mr. Rico. Zillions of em!"
>> >>>
>> >>> Where is that quote from?
>> >
>> >> The book 'Starship Troopers' by Robert Heinlein.
>> >
>> > Ah. Was it in the movie too?
>
>> I step on you for even mentioning the movie.
>
> I like the movie. I don't like to read. :P

are the books too big :D
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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> On 10/21/2024 7:15 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:32:49 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
> >> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
> >> entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
> >> say:
> >>> On 10/20/2024 7:48 PM, Ant wrote:
> >
> >>>> I like the movie. I don't like to read. :P
> >
> >>> The movie had been written and was already in pre-production when the
> >>> producers found out the movie rights to the book were for sale. So they
> >>> bought those rights so they could use the book's title.
> >>> No joke.
> >
> >> Title and bolted on a few names from the book, and a couple of themes
> >> (the whole service thing.)
> >
> >> But everything else was a mockery - assault rifles with an apparent
> >> range of 10 feet, forcing the soldiers to shoot point blank at something
> >> that can cut them in half with a swipe. Um yeah, sure.
> >
> >> And the whole psi corp stuff in SS uniforms, no wonder the film is
> >> nicknamed Nazi Germany 90210.
> >
> >> Oh yeah, and the chick flying the ship dodging an asteroid coming in
> >> FTL, yeah, these guys can't even spell science much less know any.
> >
> >
> > And don't forget the complete and utter lack of powered battle armor,
> > something the book is most famous for popularizing.
> >
> > "Starship Troopers" without powered armor is Star Wars without
> > lightsabers. I mean, sure you _could_... but why?*
> >
> > In fairness, a lot of the other stuff mentioned above (the fascism,
> > the shitty science, the psi stuff) was part and parcel of the book
> > too, albeit not so central to the narrative. I'll forgive that... even
> > if I didn't necessarily enjoy it. But the lack of powered armor?
> >
> Actually the political stuff in the movie is almost the polar opposite
> of the book. Heinlein wrote a war story about service, as in western
> democracy type "service". The citizenship criteria in the book was
> _ANY_ kind of service. Being assigned as a park ranger planting trees
> was service and could grant citizenship. He strongly emphasized that
> non-citizens were not an underclass.

> The "Nazis BAAAAD!" parts of the movie were ALL Verhoeven, things that
> he added deliberately. He's admitted that in interviews.

Ah. Someone needs to reboot Starship Troopers movies. Maybe a TV series instead?
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Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
....
> Roughnecks: The Starship Troopers Chronicles
> Did it right for the most part.
> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0190198/

An animated series? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-vMSgwwsw0 for the first episode? Hmm!
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 02:48 this Monday (GMT):
> > Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> >> On 10/19/2024 7:13 PM, Ant wrote:
> >> > Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> >> >> On 10/17/2024 4:23 PM, Ant wrote:
> >> >>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> >> >>> ...
> >> >>>>> I am itching all over the place now! :-)
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> "Bugs, Mr. Rico. Zillions of em!"
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Where is that quote from?
> >> >
> >> >> The book 'Starship Troopers' by Robert Heinlein.
> >> >
> >> > Ah. Was it in the movie too?
> >
> >> I step on you for even mentioning the movie.
> >
> > I like the movie. I don't like to read. :P

> are the books too big :D

No, too many words!
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Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
....
> But, again, that said more for just how _many_ RTS games were
> available in the late 90s/early 2000s. You literally could not keep
> track of them all.

Like today. Too many dang games, movies, TV shows, etc. Argh!
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
....
> >> I am itching all over the place now! :-)
> >
> > Do I make you itch too? ;-)

> im not allergic to bugs

Then, why were you itching all over the place earlier? :-P
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On 10/21/2024 1:11 PM, Ant wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 10/21/2024 7:15 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:32:49 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
>>>> entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
>>>> say:
>>>>> On 10/20/2024 7:48 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I like the movie. I don't like to read. :P
>>>
>>>>> The movie had been written and was already in pre-production when the
>>>>> producers found out the movie rights to the book were for sale. So they
>>>>> bought those rights so they could use the book's title.
>>>>> No joke.
>>>
>>>> Title and bolted on a few names from the book, and a couple of themes
>>>> (the whole service thing.)
>>>
>>>> But everything else was a mockery - assault rifles with an apparent
>>>> range of 10 feet, forcing the soldiers to shoot point blank at something
>>>> that can cut them in half with a swipe. Um yeah, sure.
>>>
>>>> And the whole psi corp stuff in SS uniforms, no wonder the film is
>>>> nicknamed Nazi Germany 90210.
>>>
>>>> Oh yeah, and the chick flying the ship dodging an asteroid coming in
>>>> FTL, yeah, these guys can't even spell science much less know any.
>>>
>>>
>>> And don't forget the complete and utter lack of powered battle armor,
>>> something the book is most famous for popularizing.
>>>
>>> "Starship Troopers" without powered armor is Star Wars without
>>> lightsabers. I mean, sure you _could_... but why?*
>>>
>>> In fairness, a lot of the other stuff mentioned above (the fascism,
>>> the shitty science, the psi stuff) was part and parcel of the book
>>> too, albeit not so central to the narrative. I'll forgive that... even
>>> if I didn't necessarily enjoy it. But the lack of powered armor?
>>>
>> Actually the political stuff in the movie is almost the polar opposite
>> of the book. Heinlein wrote a war story about service, as in western
>> democracy type "service". The citizenship criteria in the book was
>> _ANY_ kind of service. Being assigned as a park ranger planting trees
>> was service and could grant citizenship. He strongly emphasized that
>> non-citizens were not an underclass.
>
>> The "Nazis BAAAAD!" parts of the movie were ALL Verhoeven, things that
>> he added deliberately. He's admitted that in interviews.
>
> Ah. Someone needs to reboot Starship Troopers movies. Maybe a TV series instead?

There was an animated series (have the DVDs) and a series of animated
movies in addition to the two sequels to Verhoeven's movie.

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On 10/21/2024 1:16 PM, Ant wrote:
> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 02:48 this Monday (GMT):
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> On 10/19/2024 7:13 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/17/2024 4:23 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> I am itching all over the place now! :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Bugs, Mr. Rico. Zillions of em!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where is that quote from?
>>>>>
>>>>>> The book 'Starship Troopers' by Robert Heinlein.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah. Was it in the movie too?
>>>
>>>> I step on you for even mentioning the movie.
>>>
>>> I like the movie. I don't like to read. :P
>
>> are the books too big :D
>
> No, too many words!

Lazy ass ant.

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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

>On 10/21/2024 1:11 PM, Ant wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> On 10/21/2024 7:15 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:32:49 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
>>>>> entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
>>>>> say:
>>>>>> On 10/20/2024 7:48 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I like the movie. I don't like to read. :P
>>>>
>>>>>> The movie had been written and was already in pre-production when the
>>>>>> producers found out the movie rights to the book were for sale. So they
>>>>>> bought those rights so they could use the book's title.
>>>>>> No joke.
>>>>
>>>>> Title and bolted on a few names from the book, and a couple of themes
>>>>> (the whole service thing.)
>>>>
>>>>> But everything else was a mockery - assault rifles with an apparent
>>>>> range of 10 feet, forcing the soldiers to shoot point blank at something
>>>>> that can cut them in half with a swipe. Um yeah, sure.
>>>>
>>>>> And the whole psi corp stuff in SS uniforms, no wonder the film is
>>>>> nicknamed Nazi Germany 90210.
>>>>
>>>>> Oh yeah, and the chick flying the ship dodging an asteroid coming in
>>>>> FTL, yeah, these guys can't even spell science much less know any.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And don't forget the complete and utter lack of powered battle armor,
>>>> something the book is most famous for popularizing.
>>>>
>>>> "Starship Troopers" without powered armor is Star Wars without
>>>> lightsabers. I mean, sure you _could_... but why?*
>>>>
>>>> In fairness, a lot of the other stuff mentioned above (the fascism,
>>>> the shitty science, the psi stuff) was part and parcel of the book
>>>> too, albeit not so central to the narrative. I'll forgive that... even
>>>> if I didn't necessarily enjoy it. But the lack of powered armor?
>>>>
>>> Actually the political stuff in the movie is almost the polar opposite
>>> of the book. Heinlein wrote a war story about service, as in western
>>> democracy type "service". The citizenship criteria in the book was
>>> _ANY_ kind of service. Being assigned as a park ranger planting trees
>>> was service and could grant citizenship. He strongly emphasized that
>>> non-citizens were not an underclass.
>>
>>> The "Nazis BAAAAD!" parts of the movie were ALL Verhoeven, things that
>>> he added deliberately. He's admitted that in interviews.
>>
>> Ah. Someone needs to reboot Starship Troopers movies. Maybe a TV series instead?
>
>There was an animated series (have the DVDs) and a series of animated
>movies in addition to the two sequels to Verhoeven's movie.

Four Sequels.

Xocyll

On 10/22/2024 2:54 AM, Xocyll wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
> entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
> say:
>
>> On 10/21/2024 1:11 PM, Ant wrote:
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> On 10/21/2024 7:15 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:32:49 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
>>>>>> entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
>>>>>> say:
>>>>>>> On 10/20/2024 7:48 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like the movie. I don't like to read. :P
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The movie had been written and was already in pre-production when the
>>>>>>> producers found out the movie rights to the book were for sale. So they
>>>>>>> bought those rights so they could use the book's title.
>>>>>>> No joke.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Title and bolted on a few names from the book, and a couple of themes
>>>>>> (the whole service thing.)
>>>>>
>>>>>> But everything else was a mockery - assault rifles with an apparent
>>>>>> range of 10 feet, forcing the soldiers to shoot point blank at something
>>>>>> that can cut them in half with a swipe. Um yeah, sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And the whole psi corp stuff in SS uniforms, no wonder the film is
>>>>>> nicknamed Nazi Germany 90210.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh yeah, and the chick flying the ship dodging an asteroid coming in
>>>>>> FTL, yeah, these guys can't even spell science much less know any.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And don't forget the complete and utter lack of powered battle armor,
>>>>> something the book is most famous for popularizing.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Starship Troopers" without powered armor is Star Wars without
>>>>> lightsabers. I mean, sure you _could_... but why?*
>>>>>
>>>>> In fairness, a lot of the other stuff mentioned above (the fascism,
>>>>> the shitty science, the psi stuff) was part and parcel of the book
>>>>> too, albeit not so central to the narrative. I'll forgive that... even
>>>>> if I didn't necessarily enjoy it. But the lack of powered armor?
>>>>>
>>>> Actually the political stuff in the movie is almost the polar opposite
>>>> of the book. Heinlein wrote a war story about service, as in western
>>>> democracy type "service". The citizenship criteria in the book was
>>>> _ANY_ kind of service. Being assigned as a park ranger planting trees
>>>> was service and could grant citizenship. He strongly emphasized that
>>>> non-citizens were not an underclass.
>>>
>>>> The "Nazis BAAAAD!" parts of the movie were ALL Verhoeven, things that
>>>> he added deliberately. He's admitted that in interviews.
>>>
>>> Ah. Someone needs to reboot Starship Troopers movies. Maybe a TV series instead?
>>
>> There was an animated series (have the DVDs) and a series of animated
>> movies in addition to the two sequels to Verhoeven's movie.
>
> Four Sequels.
>
Oh for fornication's sake. I've seen 2 and 3, when did 4 and 5 come out?

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On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 20:15:24 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
>...
>> Roughnecks: The Starship Troopers Chronicles
>> Did it right for the most part.
>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0190198/
>
>An animated series? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-vMSgwwsw0 for the first episode? Hmm!

Roughnecks was surprisingly good, even if it was dumbed down to make
it more palatable to the kiddies (and less objectionable to the
parents/broadcast standards committee)

At least it had powered battle armor. That put it head and shoulders
above the Verhoeven movie!