On Sat, 09 Nov 2024 21:41:58 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>That's the combination on my LUGGAGE!

Damn it, you beat me to it.

On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 11:43:11 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

>On 08/11/2024 16:44, Ant wrote:
>> Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
>>> JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>>>> If anyone wants this I've put the code on the Steam group.
>>
>>> Me please as shown in here and there. ;)
>>
>> Ooh, I see and got it. Thanks. :D
>
>It's not a bad game but I found it difficult to enjoy as I fell for the
>hype about how it played when in reality it's just a solid FPS shooter
>in a different environment. I'm pretty sure that it was the last game
>ever that I pre-ordered, still it came in a nice metal case so there's that!

The hype for this game (well, the original edition) was enormous on
release, with many claiming it would be the next sandbox-sim like
"Deus Ex" and "System Shock". But it was so limited in comparison that
these claims pretty much fell apart once you played it. I often
hesitate to make claims of 'consolitis' being the cause, but I think
in this case it would be quite merited; the hardware of the time
(especially the limited memory) resulted in a much weaker experience.

"Bioshock" wasn't without its good points; it's take-down of Randian
beliefs was on-point, the game's aesthetics were impressive (if not in
the least bit realistic) and the water effects were top-notch. But the
gameplay was unspectacular, with far too much reliance on the "ooh,
there's an oil pit I can light on fire" environmental trickery to
carry the game.

The "Remastered Edition" was incredibly disappointing, since it was
largely bringing the console editions up to the quality of the PC
version. On the PC, it's hard to even notice any changes. It's still
the better version to play but if you've the older edition already,
there's no real need to go out and replay the newer.

On Sat, 09 Nov 2024 23:58:24 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 17:50:03 -0000 (UTC), in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
>> candycanearter07 wrote:

>> >Oh no, now I'm confused!

>> (*the Confuse-A-Cat van drives off into the sunset*)

>I had to Google that and found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzi3k7K0lFA

I did a Captain America. "I understood that reference."

Does that mean I get to hang out with the cool kids now? ;-)

On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 12:50:01 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>On 11/9/2024 12:10 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

>> [I like the profile page. It lets me quickly see how many
>> games I own on Steam, and how many reviews I've posted.
>> Although the difference between those two numbers is
>> disturbingly large... maybe its better if I stop looking.]

>Is it safe to ask which of the two Numbers is larger?

Valve only allows you to review games you own (and have played) on
Steam. So I'll let you logic out the solution on your own. ;-)

Which is a shame, because there are a lot of games in my Steam library
that I have played -and could justifiably review- except I played them
outside of the Steam environment. I don't disagree with Valve's policy
--it attempts to prevent bots from flooding the storepages with bogus
reviews made by people who never played the game-- but I could
probably triple the number of reviews if it wasn't in place.

Think of all the people I could bore with my long-winded verbiage!
Such a lost opportunity.

On 11/10/2024 4:48 AM, Mike S. wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Nov 2024 21:41:58 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> That's the combination on my LUGGAGE!
>
> Damn it, you beat me to it.

Still better than when the default password on a new system is 'Password'.

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On 11/9/2024 7:20 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 00:45 this Sunday (GMT):
>> On 11/10/24 01:10, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote at 23:03 this Saturday (GMT):
>>>> On Sat, 09 Nov 2024 15:10:40 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
>>>> Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 19:43:39 +0100, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/8/2024 7:10 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>>> JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote at 11:15 this Friday (GMT):
>>>>>>>> If anyone wants this I've put the code on the Steam group.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People actually use the steam group?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> do people use Steam groups at all? that seems to be one of those parts
>>>>>> of Steam that just is there with no interaction at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Same with these Steam points that allow me to... buy stuff for a profile
>>>>>> nobody ever looks at anyway...
>>>>>
>>>>> I really get the impression that Valve thought up as Steam points as
>>>>> being something with real monetary use (you get 1 point per 1 US
>>>>> dollar of purchases, I think), that could then maybe be redeemed to
>>>>> buy games or something real.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except then the lawyers pointed out that it was a form of currency and
>>>>> would probably cause them all sorts of legal problems, especially
>>>>> given how many jurisdictions Valve operates in, so they quickly backed
>>>>> away from the idea. Except now people have thousands of points and
>>>>> nothing to do with it? Quick, give them useless, untradable digital
>>>>> gimcracks.
>>>>>
>>>>> [I like the profile page. It lets me quickly see how many
>>>>> games I own on Steam, and how many reviews I've posted.
>>>>> Although the difference between those two numbers is
>>>>> disturbingly large... maybe its better if I stop looking.]
>>>>>
>>>>> I've used Steam points to 'buy' rewards (equally useless) for good
>>>>> reviews, but that's pretty much it, and mostly because I've earned so
>>>>> many points I don't know what else to do with them.
>>>>>
>>>> I don't know. Nintendo gives me Gold Coins that translate 1:1 with a
>>>> penny (ie: 100 GC is $1 off a purchase). If they can pull it off, surely
>>>> Valve can?
>>>
>>>
>>> To be fair, Nintendo is a Japanese company. Maybe the laws are different
>>> there.
>>
>> There likely is a difference between how the contracts for both work.
>>
>> Or Nintendo simply has good lawyers at hand to work the kinks out, while
>> Valve just doesn't want to bother.
>
>
> Nintendo DEFINITELY has good lawyers.

House of Mouse level good?

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JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
> On 08/11/2024 16:44, Ant wrote:
> > Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
> >> JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
> >>> If anyone wants this I've put the code on the Steam group.
> >
> >> Me please as shown in here and there. ;)
> >
> > Ooh, I see and got it. Thanks. :D

> It's not a bad game but I found it difficult to enjoy as I fell for the
> hype about how it played when in reality it's just a solid FPS shooter
> in a different environment. I'm pretty sure that it was the last game
> ever that I pre-ordered, still it came in a nice metal case so there's that!

I only played its playable demo. I liked it. I know it is not good as
System Shock 2 which I enjoyed a lot. I couldn't get into System Shock 1
due to its awful controls. I still need to try its re(master/boot) or
whatever it is.
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Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 11:43:11 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

> >On 08/11/2024 16:44, Ant wrote:
> >> Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
> >>> JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
> >>>> If anyone wants this I've put the code on the Steam group.
> >>
> >>> Me please as shown in here and there. ;)
> >>
> >> Ooh, I see and got it. Thanks. :D
> >
> >It's not a bad game but I found it difficult to enjoy as I fell for the
> >hype about how it played when in reality it's just a solid FPS shooter
> >in a different environment. I'm pretty sure that it was the last game
> >ever that I pre-ordered, still it came in a nice metal case so there's that!

> The hype for this game (well, the original edition) was enormous on
> release, with many claiming it would be the next sandbox-sim like
> "Deus Ex" and "System Shock". But it was so limited in comparison that
> these claims pretty much fell apart once you played it. I often
> hesitate to make claims of 'consolitis' being the cause, but I think
> in this case it would be quite merited; the hardware of the time
> (especially the limited memory) resulted in a much weaker experience.

> "Bioshock" wasn't without its good points; it's take-down of Randian
> beliefs was on-point, the game's aesthetics were impressive (if not in
> the least bit realistic) and the water effects were top-notch. But the
> gameplay was unspectacular, with far too much reliance on the "ooh,
> there's an oil pit I can light on fire" environmental trickery to
> carry the game.

> The "Remastered Edition" was incredibly disappointing, since it was
> largely bringing the console editions up to the quality of the PC
> version. On the PC, it's hard to even notice any changes. It's still
> the better version to play but if you've the older edition already,
> there's no real need to go out and replay the newer.

OK, so I should play the remaster since I only played its original demo
back then. My PC can handle the remaster from its requirements. GoG gave
me both versions! :O

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Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Nov 2024 23:58:24 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

> >Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 17:50:03 -0000 (UTC), in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
> >> candycanearter07 wrote:

> >> >Oh no, now I'm confused!

> >> (*the Confuse-A-Cat van drives off into the sunset*)

> >I had to Google that and found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzi3k7K0lFA

> I did a Captain America. "I understood that reference."

> Does that mean I get to hang out with the cool kids now? ;-)

Ha, sure. I love that Galaga scene in The Avengers. ;-) FYI, I'm not a
Monty Python fan. I couldn't get into it. I guess I am not cool enough! :P

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Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Nov 2024 21:41:58 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
> wrote:

> >That's the combination on my LUGGAGE!

> Damn it, you beat me to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6iW-8xPw3k

Spaceballs FTW!
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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 16:54 this Sunday (GMT):
> On 11/9/2024 7:20 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 00:45 this Sunday (GMT):
[snip]
>>>
>>> There likely is a difference between how the contracts for both work.
>>>
>>> Or Nintendo simply has good lawyers at hand to work the kinks out, while
>>> Valve just doesn't want to bother.
>>
>>
>> Nintendo DEFINITELY has good lawyers.
>
> House of Mouse level good?

Well, I don't think Nintendo has rewritten any laws, so not yet.
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Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 01:27 this Monday (GMT):
> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Nov 2024 23:58:24 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>
>> >Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 17:50:03 -0000 (UTC), in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
>> >> candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> >> >Oh no, now I'm confused!
>
>> >> (*the Confuse-A-Cat van drives off into the sunset*)
>
>> >I had to Google that and found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzi3k7K0lFA
>
>> I did a Captain America. "I understood that reference."
>
>> Does that mean I get to hang out with the cool kids now? ;-)
>
> Ha, sure. I love that Galaga scene in The Avengers. ;-) FYI, I'm not a
> Monty Python fan. I couldn't get into it. I guess I am not cool enough! :P

I'm not really a fan of most super hero movies, I think the only ones I
watched were like 2007's Avengers, and (unfortunately) 2024 Flash.

Also, I haven't watched Monty Python yet but I really want to!!
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Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 01:27 this Monday (GMT):
> Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Nov 2024 21:41:58 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>
>> >That's the combination on my LUGGAGE!
>
>> Damn it, you beat me to it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6iW-8xPw3k
>
> Spaceballs FTW!

Oh man, I've watched that movie so many times and I can't believe I
missed that! Callback jokes are great.
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 01:27 this Monday (GMT):
> > Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 09 Nov 2024 23:58:24 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
> >
> >> >Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 17:50:03 -0000 (UTC), in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
> >> >> candycanearter07 wrote:
> >
> >> >> >Oh no, now I'm confused!
> >
> >> >> (*the Confuse-A-Cat van drives off into the sunset*)
> >
> >> >I had to Google that and found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzi3k7K0lFA
> >
> >> I did a Captain America. "I understood that reference."
> >
> >> Does that mean I get to hang out with the cool kids now? ;-)
> >
> > Ha, sure. I love that Galaga scene in The Avengers. ;-) FYI, I'm not a
> > Monty Python fan. I couldn't get into it. I guess I am not cool enough! :P

> I'm not really a fan of most super hero movies, I think the only ones I
> watched were like 2007's Avengers, and (unfortunately) 2024 Flash.

I love superheroes even City of Heroes (and Villains to be the bad
guys). Flash (2023, not 2024) was bad even it had cool Batman scenes.

> Also, I haven't watched Monty Python yet but I really want to!!

Lots of videos on YouTube!
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 01:27 this Monday (GMT):
> > Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 09 Nov 2024 21:41:58 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> >That's the combination on my LUGGAGE!
> >
> >> Damn it, you beat me to it.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6iW-8xPw3k
> >
> > Spaceballs FTW!

> Oh man, I've watched that movie so many times and I can't believe I
> missed that! Callback jokes are great.

;) I remember watching it the first time on local TV broadcast back in
the 90s. I saw it again on DVD and still love it. I also saw the cartoon
version. It wasn't good though.

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On 10/11/2024 15:27, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 11:43:11 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>
>> On 08/11/2024 16:44, Ant wrote:
>>> Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
>>>> JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>>>>> If anyone wants this I've put the code on the Steam group.
>>>
>>>> Me please as shown in here and there. ;)
>>>
>>> Ooh, I see and got it. Thanks. :D
>>
>> It's not a bad game but I found it difficult to enjoy as I fell for the
>> hype about how it played when in reality it's just a solid FPS shooter
>> in a different environment. I'm pretty sure that it was the last game
>> ever that I pre-ordered, still it came in a nice metal case so there's that!
>
> The hype for this game (well, the original edition) was enormous on
> release, with many claiming it would be the next sandbox-sim like
> "Deus Ex" and "System Shock". But it was so limited in comparison that
> these claims pretty much fell apart once you played it. I often
> hesitate to make claims of 'consolitis' being the cause, but I think
> in this case it would be quite merited; the hardware of the time
> (especially the limited memory) resulted in a much weaker experience.
>
> "Bioshock" wasn't without its good points; it's take-down of Randian
> beliefs was on-point, the game's aesthetics were impressive (if not in
> the least bit realistic) and the water effects were top-notch. But the
> gameplay was unspectacular, with far too much reliance on the "ooh,
> there's an oil pit I can light on fire" environmental trickery to
> carry the game.
>
> The "Remastered Edition" was incredibly disappointing, since it was
> largely bringing the console editions up to the quality of the PC
> version. On the PC, it's hard to even notice any changes. It's still
> the better version to play but if you've the older edition already,
> there's no real need to go out and replay the newer.
>

One of the disappointments that stood out was the early gameplay footage
showing the interesting use of traps and the environment. The problem,
it was just easier to shot them in the face so why bother!

On 11/11/2024 01:24, Ant wrote:
> JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>> On 08/11/2024 16:44, Ant wrote:
>>> Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
>>>> JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>>>>> If anyone wants this I've put the code on the Steam group.
>>>
>>>> Me please as shown in here and there. ;)
>>>
>>> Ooh, I see and got it. Thanks. :D
>
>> It's not a bad game but I found it difficult to enjoy as I fell for the
>> hype about how it played when in reality it's just a solid FPS shooter
>> in a different environment. I'm pretty sure that it was the last game
>> ever that I pre-ordered, still it came in a nice metal case so there's that!
>
> I only played its playable demo. I liked it. I know it is not good as
> System Shock 2 which I enjoyed a lot. I couldn't get into System Shock 1
> due to its awful controls. I still need to try its re(master/boot) or
> whatever it is.

I actually enjoyed BS:3 far more as my expectations, and price point,
where much lower. I wouldn't say it was a great game but more than worth
the £5 I paid for it.

On 8 Nov 2024 at 12:15:26 CET, "JAB" <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

> If anyone wants this I've put the code on the Steam group.

Is there a Steam group...?

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 01:24:51 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>I only played its playable demo. I liked it. I know it is not good as
>System Shock 2 which I enjoyed a lot. I couldn't get into System Shock 1
>due to its awful controls. I still need to try its re(master/boot) or
>whatever it is.

As I understand it, a REMASTER uses the original game code and just
changes what they can, usually the visuals and maybe the controls. A
REMAKE completely rebuilds the game in a new engine, but is otherwise,
mostly the same game. A REBOOT also recreates the game in a new engine
but also takes it in an entirely new direction thus making it a new
experience.

If I have those definitions correct, that would make System Shock 1 a
REMAKE.

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:12:07 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

>On 10/11/2024 15:27, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 11:43:11 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/11/2024 16:44, Ant wrote:
>>>> Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
>>>>> JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>>>>>> If anyone wants this I've put the code on the Steam group.
>>>>
>>>>> Me please as shown in here and there. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Ooh, I see and got it. Thanks. :D
>>>
>>> It's not a bad game but I found it difficult to enjoy as I fell for the
>>> hype about how it played when in reality it's just a solid FPS shooter
>>> in a different environment. I'm pretty sure that it was the last game
>>> ever that I pre-ordered, still it came in a nice metal case so there's that!
>>
>> The hype for this game (well, the original edition) was enormous on
>> release, with many claiming it would be the next sandbox-sim like
>> "Deus Ex" and "System Shock". But it was so limited in comparison that
>> these claims pretty much fell apart once you played it. I often
>> hesitate to make claims of 'consolitis' being the cause, but I think
>> in this case it would be quite merited; the hardware of the time
>> (especially the limited memory) resulted in a much weaker experience.
>>
>> "Bioshock" wasn't without its good points; it's take-down of Randian
>> beliefs was on-point, the game's aesthetics were impressive (if not in
>> the least bit realistic) and the water effects were top-notch. But the
>> gameplay was unspectacular, with far too much reliance on the "ooh,
>> there's an oil pit I can light on fire" environmental trickery to
>> carry the game.
>>
>> The "Remastered Edition" was incredibly disappointing, since it was
>> largely bringing the console editions up to the quality of the PC
>> version. On the PC, it's hard to even notice any changes. It's still
>> the better version to play but if you've the older edition already,
>> there's no real need to go out and replay the newer.
>>
>
>One of the disappointments that stood out was the early gameplay footage
>showing the interesting use of traps and the environment. The problem,
>it was just easier to shot them in the face so why bother!

That was frequently a problem in many games that used environmental
traps. Sure, they were neat when you could use them, but too often the
enemies wouldn't co-operate and you'd either have to work to get the
bad-guys into position so you could 'trap' them, or you'd spring the
trap and it wouldn't be as effective -whether in times or resources-
as just shooting them.

[I'm suddenly reminded of that scene from the movie 'Austin
Powers', when big-bad Dr. Evil insists on trapping the hero
in a small room with sharks, while his son insists, "Just
shoot them!"]

The alternative, of course, is to make the traps so obvious and common
so the enemies /can't/ avoid them because they're all over the place
(a tactic used by "Dark Crusaders of Might & Magic") but then the
ridiculous world design destroys any immersion (who lives in a house
where every floor is covered in oil and every wall covered with
spikes?)

Too often environmental traps become a game's core gimmick, and
frankly, it's not a very exciting or novel gimmick at that.
Ultimately, all those traps aren't much different from the old
exploding barrel trope that has been with us since 1993. The only
difference is that instead of just shooting the barrel and watching
the gibs fly, you have to switch to a specific weapon or tool to
trigger the trap. It's just more effort for the same effect.

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:15:28 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

>
>I actually enjoyed BS:3 far more as my expectations, and price point,
>where much lower. I wouldn't say it was a great game but more than worth
>the £5 I paid for it.

Bioshock 3 was a generally better experience, even if it did suffer a
lot from corridor-shooter linearity. (I know it's supposed to be an
open-world sandbox, but it's really not). There was less emphasis on
environmental traps, the worlds were more open and the combat more
frenetic. It largely suffered in world design and aesthetics. The
first "Bioshock" is a better game when it comes to its story and
visuals; "Bioshock Ultimate" is just more fun to actually play.

But overall I still think they're both of them fairly average
shooters, not worth a lot of the hype and praise heaped upon them.

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:58:40 -0500, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 01:24:51 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>
>>I only played its playable demo. I liked it. I know it is not good as
>>System Shock 2 which I enjoyed a lot. I couldn't get into System Shock 1
>>due to its awful controls. I still need to try its re(master/boot) or
>>whatever it is.
>
>As I understand it, a REMASTER uses the original game code and just
>changes what they can, usually the visuals and maybe the controls. A
>REMAKE completely rebuilds the game in a new engine, but is otherwise,
>mostly the same game. A REBOOT also recreates the game in a new engine
>but also takes it in an entirely new direction thus making it a new
>experience.
>
>If I have those definitions correct, that would make System Shock 1 a
>REMAKE.

There's really no hard and fast rule, although I generally don't
disagree with your definitions. But, for instance, the recently
released "Dark Forces" described itself as a "Remaster", even though
it used an entirely new engine.

Also, reboots aren't limited to recreating a game; often, they just
take some of the characters and general ideas of the game and
represent it in a new way. This might go so far as change the game's
genre entirely (for example, "Prince of Persia: Sands of Time")

The TL;DR is that the words are used fairly interchangably in the
industry and if you try to insist on specific definitions you're going
to be incredibly frustrated. Marketing cares not for your definitions
;-)

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 01:40:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
<candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

>Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 16:54 this Sunday (GMT):
>> On 11/9/2024 7:20 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 00:45 this Sunday (GMT):
>[snip]
>>>>
>>>> There likely is a difference between how the contracts for both work.
>>>>
>>>> Or Nintendo simply has good lawyers at hand to work the kinks out, while
>>>> Valve just doesn't want to bother.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nintendo DEFINITELY has good lawyers.
>>
>> House of Mouse level good?
>
>
>Well, I don't think Nintendo has rewritten any laws, so not yet.

Actually, in Japan Nintendo (and other software companies) have had a
lot of influence on its copyright and patent laws (which are
significantly different from that of the West). A lot of Nintendo's
(and Capcom's, and Konami, and the rest) seemingly overbearing
behavior when it comes fighting its fans about tribute games, and
streaming, and mods is a result of that difference. The copyright
holder has a lot more power of what can be done with their IP in
Japan, and things like fair use are much more restricted. And
Nintendo, Sony, and the rest have pressured politicians to keep it
that way, or change it to their advantage.

Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 16:05 this Monday (GMT):
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 01:40:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
><candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>
>>Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 16:54 this Sunday (GMT):
>>> On 11/9/2024 7:20 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 00:45 this Sunday (GMT):
>>[snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> There likely is a difference between how the contracts for both work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or Nintendo simply has good lawyers at hand to work the kinks out, while
>>>>> Valve just doesn't want to bother.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nintendo DEFINITELY has good lawyers.
>>>
>>> House of Mouse level good?
>>
>>
>>Well, I don't think Nintendo has rewritten any laws, so not yet.
>
> Actually, in Japan Nintendo (and other software companies) have had a
> lot of influence on its copyright and patent laws (which are
> significantly different from that of the West). A lot of Nintendo's
> (and Capcom's, and Konami, and the rest) seemingly overbearing
> behavior when it comes fighting its fans about tribute games, and
> streaming, and mods is a result of that difference. The copyright
> holder has a lot more power of what can be done with their IP in
> Japan, and things like fair use are much more restricted. And
> Nintendo, Sony, and the rest have pressured politicians to keep it
> that way, or change it to their advantage.

Well, that's scary.
--
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Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

>On Sat, 09 Nov 2024 23:58:24 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>
>>Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 17:50:03 -0000 (UTC), in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
>>> candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>>> >Oh no, now I'm confused!
>
>>> (*the Confuse-A-Cat van drives off into the sunset*)
>
>>I had to Google that and found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzi3k7K0lFA
>
>I did a Captain America. "I understood that reference."
>
>Does that mean I get to hang out with the cool kids now? ;-)

Only if you are humming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSCzDykng4g

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