I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.

I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
usernames, and passwords. Which of either type of hardware is friendly
to Linux. Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?

In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.

Any information or tips will be appreciated.

tinker123 wrote:

> Which of either type of hardware is friendly
> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?

None of them, but that's no problem ...

You generally configure them through a web interface, or in some cases
through ssh/telnet command line, maybe if you try *really* hard you can
find one to configure through SNMP.

But dedicated configuration software running on linux? Don't waste your
time looking.

On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>
> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is friendly
> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>
> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>
> Any information or tips will be appreciated.

This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet service
provider.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 06/07/2024 14:44, tinker123 wrote:
> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>
Christ on a bike

> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is friendly
> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>

All of them will have a web interface as primary means of configuration
and many will have telnet or ssh access

So none are inimitable to Linux

> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>
> Any information or tips will be appreciated.

Well I am running a superb router, which also has telephone ports for
VOIP. Its a Draytek
Vigor2762Vac. It is DSL OR fibre/cable capable.

I also have an older Cisco SOHO style router Exellent piece of kit

Don't buy old Netgear crap

--
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more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump
their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the
battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is
that they are dead.
Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.

On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>
>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is friendly
>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>
>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>
>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>
> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet service
> provider.
>
Not mine.

--
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(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian
utopia of 1984.”

Vaclav Klaus

On 2024-07-07 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>>
>>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is friendly
>>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
>>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>>
>>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>>
>>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>>
>> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet service
>> provider.
>>
> Not mine.

Your ISP doesn't provide the cable modem? Weird.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 07/07/2024 11:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2024-07-07 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>>>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>>>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is friendly
>>>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
>>>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>>>
>>>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>>>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>>>
>>>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>>>
>>> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet service
>>> provider.
>>>
>> Not mine.
>
> Your ISP doesn't provide the cable modem? Weird.I think we are at cross purposes. The 'modem' which is in this case is
fibre network termination unit is provided but not by the ISP, but by
the fibre supplier
A Wifi enabled Router is not supplied at all
>
Nope. They provide *service* instead.
You can BUY an 'approved' router off them, but you don't have to.

https://www.idnet.com/broadband-hardware.php

--
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels

On 2024-07-07 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/07/2024 11:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2024-07-07 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>>>>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>>>>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is
>>>>> friendly
>>>>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
>>>>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>>>>
>>>>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>>>>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet service
>>>> provider.
>>>>
>>> Not mine.
>>
>> Your ISP doesn't provide the cable modem? Weird.I think we are at
>> cross purposes. The 'modem' which is in this case is
> fibre network termination unit  is provided but not by the ISP, but by
> the fibre supplier
> A Wifi enabled Router is not supplied at all
>>
> Nope. They provide *service* instead.
> You can BUY an  'approved' router off them, but you don't have to.
>
> https://www.idnet.com/broadband-hardware.php

Curious.

Here, they all provide a router with all the features. Well, those most
demanded, at least.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 07/07/2024 13:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:

>
> Here, they all provide a router with all the features. Well, those most
> demanded, at least.
>

I would be uncomfortable using an ISP controlled router, allowing the
ISP to control the firewall/gateway into my LAN.

FWIW, I use pfSense an open source router (FreeBSD based). It offers the
features I need and performance for fast VPN tunnels. I wouldn't like to
change, routing/firewall are both complicated/tricky and boring. It
would be a pain to learn something different.

For WiFi, I use 4 cheap access points, with fast roaming. I think it
good that this is decoupled from the router, less chance of security
mistake. Also WiFi hardware has improved rapidly, whereas my router
hardware is 10 years old and is still perfectly fine.

On 07/07/2024 13:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2024-07-07 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/07/2024 11:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-07 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>>>>>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>>>>>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is
>>>>>> friendly
>>>>>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on
>>>>>> Linux
>>>>>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>>>>>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet
>>>>> service provider.
>>>>>
>>>> Not mine.
>>>
>>> Your ISP doesn't provide the cable modem? Weird.I think we are at
>>> cross purposes. The 'modem' which is in this case is
>> fibre network termination unit  is provided but not by the ISP, but by
>> the fibre supplier
>> A Wifi enabled Router is not supplied at all
>>>
>> Nope. They provide *service* instead.
>> You can BUY an  'approved' router off them, but you don't have to.
>>
>> https://www.idnet.com/broadband-hardware.php
>
> Curious.
>
> Here, they all provide a router with all the features. Well, those most
> demanded, at least.
>
The 'consumer' ISPs do,.

BTs standard support call is
"is the purple light blinking"
"yes"
"switch off the router and switch it on again"

Most 'technical ' people would never use BT.

IDNET have a support team that seem to actually understand broadband,
and speak english, rather than reading from a script in Calcutta

--
For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the
very definition of slavery.

Jonathan Swift

On 07/07/2024 14:09, Pancho wrote:
> On 07/07/2024 13:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>>
>> Here, they all provide a router with all the features. Well, those
>> most demanded, at least.
>>
>
> I would be uncomfortable using an ISP controlled router, allowing the
> ISP to control the firewall/gateway into my LAN.
>
> FWIW, I use pfSense an open source router (FreeBSD based). It offers the
> features I need and performance for fast VPN tunnels. I wouldn't like to
> change, routing/firewall are both complicated/tricky and boring. It
> would be a pain to learn something different.
>
> For WiFi, I use 4 cheap access points, with fast roaming. I think it
> good that this is decoupled from the router, less chance of security
> mistake. Also WiFi hardware has improved rapidly, whereas my router
> hardware is 10 years old and is still perfectly fine.

A very valid approach IMHO

I use whatever is lying around for wifi access. The office where the
router is, is fully CAT5 enabled so its wifi is never used

--
For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the
very definition of slavery.

Jonathan Swift

tinker123 <tinker123@gmail.com> writes:

> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>
> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
> usernames, and passwords. Which of either type of hardware is friendly
> to Linux. Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>
> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>
> Any information or tips will be appreciated.

I just bought some routers so I think I have a little clue.
I owned a FIOS router. It was no good with my new ISP (Comcast).
Comcast wants you to lease their router, I wanted none of that.
It took me a couple of tries to find a router compatible with Comcast
the local PC Richards was no good, I had to order the router online.

I ended up with Netgear equipment. Netgear has an app you can download
to your phone. I just accessed the router from my Linux PC using a
browser. Every router I've had so far has a browser interface.

--
Dan Espen

On 07/07/2024 16:34, Dan Espen wrote:
> tinker123 <tinker123@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>
>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>> usernames, and passwords. Which of either type of hardware is friendly
>> to Linux. Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>
>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>
>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>
> I just bought some routers so I think I have a little clue.
> I owned a FIOS router. It was no good with my new ISP (Comcast).
> Comcast wants you to lease their router, I wanted none of that.
> It took me a couple of tries to find a router compatible with Comcast
> the local PC Richards was no good, I had to order the router online.
>
> I ended up with Netgear equipment. Netgear has an app you can download
> to your phone. I just accessed the router from my Linux PC using a
> browser. Every router I've had so far has a browser interface.
>
>
Hope you have better luck with that than I had. Every netgear ADSL
router has goone weird after a thunderstorm.
At the cheap end of things I had better luck with D-LINK

--
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

On 2024-07-07 15:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/07/2024 13:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2024-07-07 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 07/07/2024 11:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-07 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>>>>>>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>>>>>>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is
>>>>>>> friendly
>>>>>>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on
>>>>>>> Linux
>>>>>>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>>>>>>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet
>>>>>> service provider.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not mine.
>>>>
>>>> Your ISP doesn't provide the cable modem? Weird.I think we are at
>>>> cross purposes. The 'modem' which is in this case is
>>> fibre network termination unit  is provided but not by the ISP, but
>>> by the fibre supplier
>>> A Wifi enabled Router is not supplied at all
>>>>
>>> Nope. They provide *service* instead.
>>> You can BUY an  'approved' router off them, but you don't have to.
>>>
>>> https://www.idnet.com/broadband-hardware.php
>>
>> Curious.
>>
>> Here, they all provide a router with all the features. Well, those
>> most demanded, at least.
>>
> The 'consumer' ISPs do,.
>
> BTs standard support call is
> "is the purple light blinking"
> "yes"
> "switch off the router and switch it on again"
>
> Most 'technical ' people would never use BT.
>
> IDNET have a support team that seem to actually understand broadband,
> and speak english, rather than reading from a script in Calcutta

Technical people would get another, if there is another. The alternative
to consumer setups that I know about are profesional setups that cater
only to businesses of certain size. And can actually be the same
provider through a different door.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 07/07/2024 19:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2024-07-07 15:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/07/2024 13:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-07 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 07/07/2024 11:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-07 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>>>>>>>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>>>>>>>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is
>>>>>>>> friendly
>>>>>>>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on
>>>>>>>> Linux
>>>>>>>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>>>>>>>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet
>>>>>>> service provider.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your ISP doesn't provide the cable modem? Weird.I think we are at
>>>>> cross purposes. The 'modem' which is in this case is
>>>> fibre network termination unit  is provided but not by the ISP, but
>>>> by the fibre supplier
>>>> A Wifi enabled Router is not supplied at all
>>>>>
>>>> Nope. They provide *service* instead.
>>>> You can BUY an  'approved' router off them, but you don't have to.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.idnet.com/broadband-hardware.php
>>>
>>> Curious.
>>>
>>> Here, they all provide a router with all the features. Well, those
>>> most demanded, at least.
>>>
>> The 'consumer' ISPs do,.
>>
>> BTs standard support call is
>> "is the purple light blinking"
>> "yes"
>> "switch off the router and switch it on again"
>>
>> Most 'technical ' people would never use BT.
>>
>> IDNET have a support team that seem to actually understand broadband,
>> and speak english, rather than reading from a script in Calcutta
>
> Technical people would get another, if there is another. The alternative
> to consumer setups that I know about are profesional setups that cater
> only to businesses of certain size. And can actually be the same
> provider through a different door.

I take it you are not in the UK?
Perhaps the way it is regulated here is better. BT openreach have a
virtual monopoly of fibre, and twistted pair copper but they are
required to sell to any ISP who asks them

--
"Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold."

― Confucius

On 2024-07-07 20:51, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/07/2024 19:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2024-07-07 15:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 07/07/2024 13:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-07 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 07/07/2024 11:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-07 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>> On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>>>>>>>>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is
>>>>>>>>> friendly
>>>>>>>>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs
>>>>>>>>> on Linux
>>>>>>>>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>>>>>>>>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few
>>>>>>>>> pennies.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet
>>>>>>>> service provider.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not mine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your ISP doesn't provide the cable modem? Weird.I think we are at
>>>>>> cross purposes. The 'modem' which is in this case is
>>>>> fibre network termination unit  is provided but not by the ISP, but
>>>>> by the fibre supplier
>>>>> A Wifi enabled Router is not supplied at all
>>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. They provide *service* instead.
>>>>> You can BUY an  'approved' router off them, but you don't have to.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.idnet.com/broadband-hardware.php
>>>>
>>>> Curious.
>>>>
>>>> Here, they all provide a router with all the features. Well, those
>>>> most demanded, at least.
>>>>
>>> The 'consumer' ISPs do,.
>>>
>>> BTs standard support call is
>>> "is the purple light blinking"
>>> "yes"
>>> "switch off the router and switch it on again"
>>>
>>> Most 'technical ' people would never use BT.
>>>
>>> IDNET have a support team that seem to actually understand broadband,
>>> and speak english, rather than reading from a script in Calcutta
>>
>> Technical people would get another, if there is another. The
>> alternative to consumer setups that I know about are profesional
>> setups that cater only to businesses of certain size. And can actually
>> be the same provider through a different door.
>
>  I take it you are not in the UK?

Nope. My address says the country. :-)

> Perhaps the way it is regulated here is better. BT openreach have a
> virtual monopoly of fibre, and twistted pair copper but they are
> required to sell to any ISP who asks them

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 7/6/24 09:44, tinker123 wrote:
> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>
> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is friendly
> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>
> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>
> Any information or tips will be appreciated.

I bought the TP-Link AX1800 WiFi router. It was easy to set up
in Linux, it provides a web link to configure the router.

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:

> I take it you are not in the UK?
> Perhaps the way it is regulated here is better. BT openreach have a
> virtual monopoly of fibre, and twistted pair copper but they are
> required to sell to any ISP who asks them

Interesting. Here in Finland copper was "socialized" like that but then
the telcos just screwed each other over when one tried to encroach on
another's turf so it didn't work much. Bureaucrats later decided the
same is not needed for fibre for some reason.

Regardless, I got fibre from a provider who called it "open" so there
are alternative ISPs to choose from. Recently some of them even got
competetitive so I switched. So I have no hardware from the ISP, just
the fibre terminal thing from the fibre provider and I connect my Debian
router to it by ethernet.

In recent years also, some big money investors have pushed fibre in
Finland so now you can get fibre for free, mostly for detached houses
since apartment buildings are mostly hooked up. Makes one wonder what
happens to the prices when those investors sell their stakes in the
fibre companies.

On 7/8/24 6:55 AM, Richard wrote:
> it provides a web link to configure the router.

that is often bad it that link is through a cloud service.

On 2024-07-09, Popping Mad wrote:

> On 7/8/24 6:55 AM, Richard wrote:
>> it provides a web link to configure the router.
>
>
> that is often bad it that link is through a cloud service.

What!? So far I've only seen web admin interfaces that are on LAN
addresses. Which manufacturers are doing that?

--
Nuno Silva

Nuno Silva wrote:

> Popping Mad wrote:
>
>> that is often bad it that link is through a cloud service.
>
> What!? So far I've only seen web admin interfaces that are on LAN
> addresses. Which manufacturers are doing that?

Not my own, but I've seen a Linksys mesh system that requires you to
create a cloud account, then use a mobile app to login to the cloud
configure the devices ...

On 09/07/2024 16:25, Andy Burns wrote:
> Nuno Silva wrote:
>
>> Popping Mad wrote:
>>
>>> that is often bad it that link is through a cloud service.
>>
>> What!? So far I've only seen web admin interfaces that are on LAN
>> addresses. Which manufacturers are doing that?
>
> Not my own, but I've seen a Linksys mesh system that requires you to
> create a cloud account, then use a mobile app to login to the cloud
> configure the devices ...
>

My Mercusys Mesh Wifi System only has a Cloud UI.

It is irritating, but the System was cheap, the WiFi connectivity and
speed are good, and there isn't too much I need to configure or examine
for just WiFi.

I wouldn't even begin to consider using a device with Cloud UI as a
router/gateway.

I also have a WiFi switch (Shelly) with a Cloud UI, which is annoying. I
will replace it, when I can find a sensible alternative device.

Pancho wrote:

> I wouldn't even begin to consider using a device with Cloud UI as a
> router/gateway.

No I wouldn't for myself

> I also have a WiFi switch (Shelly) with a Cloud UI, which is annoying. I
> will replace it, when I can find a sensible alternative device.

Can't you replace the firmware on Shelly devices with an open version?

On 2024-07-09 11:25 a.m., Andy Burns wrote:
> Nuno Silva wrote:
>
>> Popping Mad wrote:
>>
>>> that is often bad it that link is through a cloud service.
>>
>> What!? So far I've only seen web admin interfaces that are on LAN
>> addresses. Which manufacturers are doing that?
>
> Not my own, but I've seen a Linksys mesh system that requires you to
> create a cloud account, then use a mobile app to login to the cloud
> configure the devices ...

Eero is the same. Their mobile app is required to manage their stuff
through the cloud. Apparently it's a feature in some people's eyes.

On 09/07/2024 17:26, Pancho wrote:
> On 09/07/2024 16:25, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Nuno Silva wrote:
>>
>>> Popping Mad wrote:
>>>
>>>> that is often bad it that link is through a cloud service.
>>>
>>> What!? So far I've only seen web admin interfaces that are on LAN
>>> addresses. Which manufacturers are doing that?
>>
>> Not my own, but I've seen a Linksys mesh system that requires you to
>> create a cloud account, then use a mobile app to login to the cloud
>> configure the devices ...
>>
>
> My Mercusys Mesh Wifi System only has a Cloud UI.
>

Actually, this is misleading. The Mesh WiFi is controlled by an app on
my Android Phone. It isn't a cloud service. The phone app normally
connects to a cloud web server when I run it, but it doesn't need to. It
controls the WiFi access points via the WLAN. It also works when the
phone is cut off from the WAN/Mobile provider.

My WiFi access points are fire wall blocked from the WAN. A LAN IP can
route to the WAN through a WiFi access point, but a WiFi access point's
own IP has no external WAN access.

I guess this isn't as bad as I made it seem. Maybe they do it because it
was cheaper to develop an Android UI than it was to develop a Web UI.

Security wise, it may be no worse than a locked down local web-server
interface. I'm not smart enough to know.