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Subject: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well
From: James Harris
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From: james.harris.1@gmail.com (James Harris)
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Not a question, just an observation.

I say that Linux doesn't seem to handle memory well because my laptop
had 8GB RAM (which, frankly, Windows seems to find perfectly adequate
for a similar workload). Under Linux the RAM would fill up and then swap
space would be used. Then the machine would become largely unresponsive
- e.g. taking minutes to switch between windows.

So I upgraded the RAM. It now has three times as much (i.e. 24GB)! But
even so, RAM has still steadily filled up until reaching the full 24GB.
What's more, it's now showing 4.8GB of swap space in use.

--
James Harris

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James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>Not a question, just an observation.

A freqently wrong one as well.

>I say that Linux doesn't seem to handle memory well because my laptop
>had 8GB RAM (which, frankly, Windows seems to find perfectly adequate
>for a similar workload). Under Linux the RAM would fill up and then swap
>space would be used. Then the machine would become largely unresponsive
>- e.g. taking minutes to switch between windows.
>
>So I upgraded the RAM. It now has three times as much (i.e. 24GB)! But
>even so, RAM has still steadily filled up until reaching the full 24GB.
>What's more, it's now showing 4.8GB of swap space in use.

Linux swaps out lesser used pages anyway to make the backing memory
available for buffers or cache.

Those people writing memory management are really smart. Smarter than
you and me together. Don't assume them being stupid.

Subject: Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well
From: The Natural Philosop
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On 01/05/2024 11:32, James Harris wrote:
> Not a question, just an observation.
>
> I say that Linux doesn't seem to handle memory well because my laptop
> had 8GB RAM (which, frankly, Windows seems to find perfectly adequate
> for a similar workload). Under Linux the RAM would fill up and then swap
> space would be used. Then the machine would become largely unresponsive
> - e.g. taking minutes to switch between windows.
>
> So I upgraded the RAM. It now has three times as much (i.e. 24GB)! But
> even so, RAM has still steadily filled up until reaching the full 24GB.
> What's more, it's now showing 4.8GB of swap space in use.
>
>
That's not Linux. That's a rogue program with a memory leak...

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making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people
who pay no price for being wrong.”

Thomas Sowell

Subject: Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well
From: David W. Hodgins
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On Wed, 01 May 2024 06:32:18 -0400, James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not a question, just an observation.
> I say that Linux doesn't seem to handle memory well because my laptop
> had 8GB RAM (which, frankly, Windows seems to find perfectly adequate
> for a similar workload). Under Linux the RAM would fill up and then swap
> space would be used. Then the machine would become largely unresponsive
> - e.g. taking minutes to switch between windows.
> So I upgraded the RAM. It now has three times as much (i.e. 24GB)! But
> even so, RAM has still steadily filled up until reaching the full 24GB.
> What's more, it's now showing 4.8GB of swap space in use.

Likely you're using a system that's configured for maximum total throughput,
not best response time.

Create a file, /etc/sysctl.d/tales.conf with the contents ...
# Reduce applications being swapped
vm.swappiness=1
# Don't shrink the inode cache
vm.vfs_cache_pressure=50

Then run the command "sysctl --system" (as root).

See https://rudd-o.com/linux-and-free-software/tales-from-responsivenessland-why-linux-feels-slow-and-how-to-fix-that
for an explanation.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

Subject: Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well
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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote at 10:53 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 01/05/2024 11:32, James Harris wrote:
>> Not a question, just an observation.
>>
>> I say that Linux doesn't seem to handle memory well because my laptop
>> had 8GB RAM (which, frankly, Windows seems to find perfectly adequate
>> for a similar workload). Under Linux the RAM would fill up and then swap
>> space would be used. Then the machine would become largely unresponsive
>> - e.g. taking minutes to switch between windows.
>>
>> So I upgraded the RAM. It now has three times as much (i.e. 24GB)! But
>> even so, RAM has still steadily filled up until reaching the full 24GB.
>> What's more, it's now showing 4.8GB of swap space in use.
>>
>>
> That's not Linux. That's a rogue program with a memory leak...

Yeah.. look in htop for high memory usage. I know Steam takes a lot of
memory.
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Subject: Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well
From: Lew Pitcher
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On Wed, 01 May 2024 11:32:18 +0100, James Harris wrote:

> Not a question, just an observation.
>
> I say that Linux doesn't seem to handle memory well because my laptop
> had 8GB RAM (which, frankly, Windows seems to find perfectly adequate
> for a similar workload).

I say that you are mistaken, and that Linux handles memory quite adequately
(but differently from how Windows handles memory)

> Under Linux the RAM would fill up and then swap
> space would be used. Then the machine would become largely unresponsive
> - e.g. taking minutes to switch between windows.

Ahhh.... now you describe your problem symptoms. Perhaps, with more
details, we can help you get the sort of performance that Linux can
properly provide.

> So I upgraded the RAM. It now has three times as much (i.e. 24GB)! But
> even so, RAM has still steadily filled up until reaching the full 24GB.
> What's more, it's now showing 4.8GB of swap space in use.

Sounds like a leaky application, but without more info, we can't help.

To give a counter-example, here's a snapshot of my desktop system's
usage (taken from top(1) )
Tasks: 302 total, 1 running, 301 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
%Cpu(s): 0.0 us, 0.8 sy, 0.0 ni, 99.2 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st
MiB Mem : 30096.1 total, 25727.6 free, 2156.9 used, 2211.6 buff/cache
MiB Swap: 65536.0 total, 65536.0 free, 0.0 used. 27297.9 avail Mem

While I have more memory than you do (32Gb as compared to your 24Gb), I have
302 processes running and only about 4Gb of memory in use. Of my 64Gb of swap
space, /none/ is in use.

My previous desktop system(s) had less processing power, less memory, and less
swap space, and ran lively, without memory or response time problems.

So, if you want help, how about providing some details.

HTH
--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills We Trust"

Subject: Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well
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On 01.05.2024 um 11:32 Uhr James Harris wrote:

Check the swapiness settings.

> - e.g. taking minutes to switch between windows.
>
> So I upgraded the RAM. It now has three times as much (i.e. 24GB)!
> But even so, RAM has still steadily filled up until reaching the full
> 24GB.

It uses the RAM as a disk cache - for caching files from the disk and
for caching files to be written when the disk is in use.

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Subject: Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well
From: Grant Taylor
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On 5/1/24 05:32, James Harris wrote:
> Not a question, just an observation.

There more to it than just the amount of free RAM.

Linux uses otherwise unused RAM for disk cache:

Link - Help! Linux ate my RAM!
- https://www.linuxatemyram.com/

But using swap tells me that something else, not just Linux itself, is
consuming / leaking memory.

See what's using the swap. That's going to be the offending process.

Run `top`
Hit the `f` key to add a field.
Scroll down to SWAP and hit the space ` ` key to turn the swap column on.
Hit the `s` key while still on SWAP to make it the sort column.
Hit the `q` key to go back to the main screen and see what's using swap.

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Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote at 14:53 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 5/1/24 05:32, James Harris wrote:
>> Not a question, just an observation.
>
> There more to it than just the amount of free RAM.
>
>> I say that Linux doesn't seem to handle memory well because my laptop
>> had 8GB RAM (which, frankly, Windows seems to find perfectly adequate
>> for a similar workload). Under Linux the RAM would fill up and then swap
>> space would be used. Then the machine would become largely unresponsive
>> - e.g. taking minutes to switch between windows.
>
> Linux uses otherwise unused RAM for disk cache:
>
> Link - Help! Linux ate my RAM!
> - https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
>
> But using swap tells me that something else, not just Linux itself, is
> consuming / leaking memory.
>
>> So I upgraded the RAM. It now has three times as much (i.e. 24GB)! But
>> even so, RAM has still steadily filled up until reaching the full 24GB.
>> What's more, it's now showing 4.8GB of swap space in use.
>
> See what's using the swap. That's going to be the offending process.
>
> Run `top`
> Hit the `f` key to add a field.
> Scroll down to SWAP and hit the space ` ` key to turn the swap column on.
> Hit the `s` key while still on SWAP to make it the sort column.
> Hit the `q` key to go back to the main screen and see what's using swap.

I prefer htop.
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On Wed, 1 May 2024, James Harris wrote:

> Not a question, just an observation.
>
> I say that Linux doesn't seem to handle memory well because my laptop had 8GB
> RAM (which, frankly, Windows seems to find perfectly adequate for a similar
> workload). Under Linux the RAM would fill up and then swap space would be
> used. Then the machine would become largely unresponsive - e.g. taking
> minutes to switch between windows.
>
> So I upgraded the RAM. It now has three times as much (i.e. 24GB)! But even
> so, RAM has still steadily filled up until reaching the full 24GB. What's
> more, it's now showing 4.8GB of swap space in use.

Sounds like some rouge application and not linux. I never had any ram
problems with linux given 4, 8 and now 16 gb of ram and I run firefox and
xfce. Even ran gnome on 4 gb ram and no problems.

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On 5/1/24 11:44, candycanearter07 wrote:
> I prefer htop.

To each their own.

As long as their own gets the job done.

I've stuck with top as many systems I've worked on didn't have htop
installed and I never felt compelled to justify why htop needed to be
installed / top wouldn't suffice to the change approval board.

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Subject: Re: Linux user doesn't seem to manage memory very well
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On Wed, 1 May 2024 11:32:18 +0100, James Harris wrote:

> Under Linux the RAM would fill up and then swap space would be used.

Not a common complaint among Linux users, anyway.

Try using the “top” program to identify the culprit. It lets you list
processes by various criteria, such as RAM usage and CPU usage.

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In article <v0tkdc$3780t$1@dont-email.me>,
Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
>On Wed, 01 May 2024 11:32:18 +0100, James Harris wrote:
>
>> Not a question, just an observation.
....
>
>So, if you want help, how about providing some details.

OP was pretty clear that he was *not* seeking help.

--
A pervert, a racist, and a con man walk into a bar...

Bartender says, "What will you have, Donald!"

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gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) writes:
> Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
>>On Wed, 01 May 2024 11:32:18 +0100, James Harris wrote:
>>
>>> Not a question, just an observation.
> ...
>>
>>So, if you want help, how about providing some details.
>
> OP was pretty clear that he was *not* seeking help.

Indeed, though it’s possible that requesting help might have saved him
the cost of 16GB of RAM, wasted time, etc.

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

Subject: Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well
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On Wed, 1 May 2024 11:53:45 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> That's not Linux. That's a rogue program with a memory leak...

Which you can bring under control anyway
<https://manpages.debian.org/bash/bash.1.en.html#ulimit>.

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On Wed, 01 May 2024 22:42:04 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

>> OP was pretty clear that he was *not* seeking help.
>
> Indeed, though it’s possible that requesting help might have saved him
> the cost of 16GB of RAM, wasted time, etc.

Before you can solve a problem, you have to recognize you have a problem.

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Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Indeed, though it’s possible that requesting help might have saved him
>the cost of 16GB of RAM, wasted time, etc.

Thankfully, 16 Gig are not that expensive nowadays.

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Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>On 5/1/24 11:44, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> I prefer htop.
>
>To each their own.
>
>As long as their own gets the job done.
>
>I've stuck with top as many systems I've worked on didn't have htop
>installed and I never felt compelled to justify why htop needed to be
>installed / top wouldn't suffice to the change approval board.

Why is it only we IT people that we have to justify the use of
appropriate tools to a board of often non-technical people? No
mechanic ever had to appear in front of a board to justify the use of
spanner and screw driver, right?

Subject: Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well
From: Carlos E.R.
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Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 05:59 UTC
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On 2024-05-01 12:32, James Harris wrote:
> Not a question, just an observation.
>
> I say that Linux doesn't seem to handle memory well because my laptop
> had 8GB RAM (which, frankly, Windows seems to find perfectly adequate
> for a similar workload). Under Linux the RAM would fill up and then swap
> space would be used. Then the machine would become largely unresponsive
> - e.g. taking minutes to switch between windows.
>
> So I upgraded the RAM. It now has three times as much (i.e. 24GB)! But
> even so, RAM has still steadily filled up until reaching the full 24GB.
> What's more, it's now showing 4.8GB of swap space in use.

No, your analysis is not correct.

You have some buggy application or service that is eating all the
memory. You have to search and hunt for it.

Do you want our help?

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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On 2024-05-01 22:42, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <v0tkdc$3780t$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 May 2024 11:32:18 +0100, James Harris wrote:
>>
>>> Not a question, just an observation.
> ...
>>
>> So, if you want help, how about providing some details.
>
> OP was pretty clear that he was *not* seeking help.

Because he is blaming Linux at large, when he has a problem in *his*
system. He made a wrong diagnosis.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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On 02/05/2024 06:46, Marc Haber wrote:
> Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Indeed, though it’s possible that requesting help might have saved him
>> the cost of 16GB of RAM, wasted time, etc.
>
> Thankfully, 16 Gig are not that expensive nowadays.

I just threw another 16GB of second hand RAM into this machine . The
rogue RAM eater was a combination of Firefox and a Windows VM.

Took almost 5 minutes. Cost less than £20.

So whilst Richard is technically correct, I tend to side with your POV.
Do the simple cheap options first...

--
"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and
higher education positively fortifies it."

- Stephen Vizinczey

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On Thu, 02 May 2024 07:47:19 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:

> No mechanic ever had to appear in front of a board to justify the use of
> spanner and screw driver, right?

I’m sure they do, to whomever controls the purse strings at the garage.

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> Marc Haber wrote:
>
>> No mechanic ever had to appear in front of a board to justify the use of
>> spanner and screw driver, right?
>
> I’m sure they do, to whomever controls the purse strings at the garage.
A lot of mechanics provide their own tools, perhaps less-so at a main
dealership.

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On 02/05/2024 07:45, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 02 May 2024 07:47:19 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>
>> No mechanic ever had to appear in front of a board to justify the use of
>> spanner and screw driver, right?
>
> I’m sure they do, to whomever controls the purse strings at the garage.

Well indeed. Although not a board, just the boss.

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Subject: Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well
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On 2024-05-02 09:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 02/05/2024 07:45, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 May 2024 07:47:19 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>>
>>> No mechanic ever had to appear in front of a board to justify the use of
>>> spanner and screw driver, right?
>>
>> I’m sure they do, to whomever controls the purse strings at the garage.
>
> Well indeed. Although not a board, just the boss.

My mechanic boss has to query the board. It is a chain.
Not for a spanner, but for expensive diagnostic tools.

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Cheers, Carlos.

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comp / comp.os.linux.misc / Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well

Subject	Author
Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	James Harris
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Marc Haber
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	James Harris
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Marc Haber
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Rich
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Marc Haber
Re: Linux user doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Linux user doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Charlie Gibbs
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	candycanearter07
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	James Harris
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	candycanearter07
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Joerg Walther
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	David W. Hodgins
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	James Harris
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Carlos E.R.
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	David W. Hodgins
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Lew Pitcher
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Kenny McCormack
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Richard Kettlewell
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Marc Haber
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Carlos E.R.
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Marc Haber
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	James Harris
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Carlos E.R.
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Computer Nerd Kev
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Computer Nerd Kev
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Computer Nerd Kev
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Carlos E.R.
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Computer Nerd Kev
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Carlos E.R.
Re: Linux user doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Linux user doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Computer Nerd Kev
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	candycanearter07
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	candycanearter07
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	James Harris
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	James Harris
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Richard Kettlewell
Re: Linux user doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Marco Moock
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Grant Taylor
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	candycanearter07
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Grant Taylor
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Marc Haber
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Andy Burns
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Carlos E.R.
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Marc Haber
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Marc Haber
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Rich
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Carlos E.R.
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	James Harris
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	D
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	26xh.0717
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	26xh.0717
Re: Linux user doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Carlos E.R.
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	Rich
Re: Linux doesn't seem to manage memory very well	James Harris