On 2024-12-26, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
> The death of OpenSUSE is that it's part of the IBM/RHEL
> vortex now, just like CentOS. Using it, you're basically
> an unpaid beta tester for IBM. Eventually they won't need
> that so much - and that entire distro family will just
> go away.

Are you saying that RedHat has bought SUSE?
I see no reference to this in the Wikipedia articles about SuSE and
openSUSE.

Or do you just mean that SUSE uses RPM packaging like RedHat
distributions do?

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 03:40:38 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> On 2024-12-26, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>> The death of OpenSUSE is that it's part of the IBM/RHEL vortex now,
>> just like CentOS. Using it, you're basically an unpaid beta tester
>> for IBM. Eventually they won't need that so much - and that entire
>> distro family will just go away.
>
> Are you saying that RedHat has bought SUSE?
> I see no reference to this in the Wikipedia articles about SuSE and
> openSUSE.

It's hard to keep track of the shell game from Novell to Attachmate to
MicroFocus but I believe EQT AB has it now, at least the Enterprise.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/german-software-firm-suse-be-taken-
private-by-eqt-16-euros-per-share-2023-08-17/

I don't know if OpenSUSE is upstream of SLE like Rawhide/Fedora are
upstream of RHEL. No particular reason but I missed the leap from 13.2 to
Leap and eventually went to Fedora on that box.

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 03:40:38 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> Are you saying that RedHat has bought SUSE?

The one you are responding to is known for spouting dubious stuff like
that.

On Wed, 25 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 12/25/24 5:08 PM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>
>>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>> As part of my christmas tradition, I always upgrade my linux when the
>>>> holiday starts. The reason is that if something goes wrong, I have a long
>>>> time to fix it, without anything work related getting in the way.
>>>
>>> Where practical I prefer to clone the drive and upgrade the clone,
>>> then work on the issues while using the old OS on the original
>>
>> Way to advanced for my humble infrastructure. ;) But online and in the
>> hosting environment, snapshots are very convenient when doing any big
>> changes. Actually, I do have btrfs on my opensuse, so when doing any
>> upgrades, it does take a snapshot, so I do have the option of rolling back
>> to the last good snapshot. Come to think of it, I've done it once with
>> great success! =)
>>
>>> drive and finally clone the upgrade drive over when everything's
>>> working right (after doing a backup of the old one just in case I
>>> was wrong). So there's no deadline as such, just the annoyance of
>>> needing to note when new software is installed during use so the
>>> same can be done on the upgrade drive.
>>>
>>>> Every year, I am equally surprised when things just work. I move my dot
>>>> files, and all application are there, with the settings I'm used to.
>>>
>>> I often have trouble with things getting unintentionally
>>> uninstalled.
>>
>> Strangely enough, everything survived and was upgraded after the OS
>> upgrade. Opensuse is a true ninja! I do not understand why not more people
>> use it in production. I suspect that it is one distro that will disappear
>> within the next 10 years or so, as SUSE gets more and more mismanaged.
>
> The death of OpenSUSE is that it's part of the IBM/RHEL
> vortex now, just like CentOS. Using it, you're basically
> an unpaid beta tester for IBM. Eventually they won't need
> that so much - and that entire distro family will just
> go away.

What is this IBM/RHEL vortex of SUSE? I've missed that completely. Is
anyone buying SUSE? SUSE has a hidden gem and that is their deal with SAP,
where they are the default OS in many SAP environments.

> Hmm ... time for a "MOREOpenSUSE" fork ... it really is a
> very good, useful, helpful distro. Used it for a LONG
> time for both workstations and servers.
>
> Debian WAS good - but now it's gone way too 'Canonical'
> for no good reasons whatsoever except to cause problems.
> A few forks like Devuan may still be OK for now.

Sigh... debian was on my list, as well as devuan.

> Arch derivs and a few of the BSDs may be your future.
> Just downloaded the latest 'Dragonfly' yesterday. I'll
> make a VM out of it for experimental purposes. The
> biggest BSD prob these days is that the driver database
> tends to run years behind ... making them better for
> servers with boring standard hardware.

I think you are right. The more I look the more BSD seems like a good
choice. It seems Linux is becoming too cloudified and too governed by big
corporations. I tried to work with the linux foundation once, and it was
just revolting. I am working with a non-profit now under the linux
foundation, and it is so sloooooooooooow. It is a miracle they manage to
get anything done at all. =/

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024, Lars Poulsen wrote:

> On 2024-12-26, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>> The death of OpenSUSE is that it's part of the IBM/RHEL
>> vortex now, just like CentOS. Using it, you're basically
>> an unpaid beta tester for IBM. Eventually they won't need
>> that so much - and that entire distro family will just
>> go away.
>
> Are you saying that RedHat has bought SUSE?
> I see no reference to this in the Wikipedia articles about SuSE and
> openSUSE.
>
> Or do you just mean that SUSE uses RPM packaging like RedHat
> distributions do?
>

Yes, I am also a bit confused. Based on what I hear from inside the
company, SUSE does a good job of making themselves obsolete though, so no
help from IBM needed. ;)

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 03:40:38 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
>
>> On 2024-12-26, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>> The death of OpenSUSE is that it's part of the IBM/RHEL vortex now,
>>> just like CentOS. Using it, you're basically an unpaid beta tester
>>> for IBM. Eventually they won't need that so much - and that entire
>>> distro family will just go away.
>>
>> Are you saying that RedHat has bought SUSE?
>> I see no reference to this in the Wikipedia articles about SuSE and
>> openSUSE.
>
> It's hard to keep track of the shell game from Novell to Attachmate to
> MicroFocus but I believe EQT AB has it now, at least the Enterprise.
>
> https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/german-software-firm-suse-be-taken-
> private-by-eqt-16-euros-per-share-2023-08-17/

Yes, EQT seems to be the current owner. Strange! I could have bet I heard
rumours about them selling it to a UK private equity company, but maybe
the deal didn't happen in the end.

When I was working there, they had a great retirement plan. 20% of your on
target earnings (regardless of it you met your target or not) they put
away in an retirement account for you. The only company I heard that had a
better plan was Oracle where the figure was 30%.

> I don't know if OpenSUSE is upstream of SLE like Rawhide/Fedora are
> upstream of RHEL. No particular reason but I missed the leap from 13.2 to
> Leap and eventually went to Fedora on that box.

On 2024-12-26 04:40, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2024-12-26, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>> The death of OpenSUSE is that it's part of the IBM/RHEL
>> vortex now, just like CentOS. Using it, you're basically
>> an unpaid beta tester for IBM. Eventually they won't need
>> that so much - and that entire distro family will just
>> go away.
>
> Are you saying that RedHat has bought SUSE?

Certainly not.

> I see no reference to this in the Wikipedia articles about SuSE and
> openSUSE.
>
> Or do you just mean that SUSE uses RPM packaging like RedHat
> distributions do?

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2024-12-26 05:19, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 03:40:38 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
>
>> On 2024-12-26, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>> The death of OpenSUSE is that it's part of the IBM/RHEL vortex now,
>>> just like CentOS. Using it, you're basically an unpaid beta tester
>>> for IBM. Eventually they won't need that so much - and that entire
>>> distro family will just go away.
>>
>> Are you saying that RedHat has bought SUSE?
>> I see no reference to this in the Wikipedia articles about SuSE and
>> openSUSE.
>
> It's hard to keep track of the shell game from Novell to Attachmate to
> MicroFocus but I believe EQT AB has it now, at least the Enterprise.
>
> https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/german-software-firm-suse-be-taken-
> private-by-eqt-16-euros-per-share-2023-08-17/
>
> I don't know if OpenSUSE is upstream of SLE like Rawhide/Fedora are
> upstream of RHEL. No particular reason but I missed the leap from 13.2 to
> Leap and eventually went to Fedora on that box.

openSUSE (not OpenSUSE) Tumbleweed is loosely upstream of SLE, and SLE
is the basis (package compatible) of Leap.

The next SLE has been delayed for about two years, I think. The new
design is taking longer than they thought.

https://news.opensuse.org/2024/10/07/leap-16-0-prealpha/

There were talks of using containers, but I'm unsure of the name.

"Just for clarification SLFO, SUSE Linux Framework One, is the source
pool for SLES 16 and SL Micro 6.X. SLFO was previously known as
Adaptable Linux Platform (ALP)."

https://www.suse.com/c/revolutionizing-linux-distributions-with-an-adaptable-linux-platform/

https://www.suse.com/c/suse-salp-raises-the-bar-on-confidential-computing/

https://www.muylinux.com/2024/01/15/opensuse-leap-16-alp/

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2024-12-26 05:19, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 03:40:38 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-12-26, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>>> The death of OpenSUSE is that it's part of the IBM/RHEL vortex now,
>>>> just like CentOS. Using it, you're basically an unpaid beta tester
>>>> for IBM. Eventually they won't need that so much - and that entire
>>>> distro family will just go away.
>>>
>>> Are you saying that RedHat has bought SUSE?
>>> I see no reference to this in the Wikipedia articles about SuSE and
>>> openSUSE.
>>
>> It's hard to keep track of the shell game from Novell to Attachmate to
>> MicroFocus but I believe EQT AB has it now, at least the Enterprise.
>>
>> https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/german-software-firm-suse-be-taken-
>> private-by-eqt-16-euros-per-share-2023-08-17/
>>
>> I don't know if OpenSUSE is upstream of SLE like Rawhide/Fedora are
>> upstream of RHEL. No particular reason but I missed the leap from 13.2 to
>> Leap and eventually went to Fedora on that box.
>
> openSUSE (not OpenSUSE) Tumbleweed is loosely upstream of SLE, and SLE is the
> basis (package compatible) of Leap.
>
> The next SLE has been delayed for about two years, I think. The new design is
> taking longer than they thought.
>
> https://news.opensuse.org/2024/10/07/leap-16-0-prealpha/
>
>
> There were talks of using containers, but I'm unsure of the name.
>
> "Just for clarification SLFO, SUSE Linux Framework One, is the source pool
> for SLES 16 and SL Micro 6.X. SLFO was previously known as Adaptable Linux
> Platform (ALP)."
>
>
> https://www.suse.com/c/revolutionizing-linux-distributions-with-an-adaptable-linux-platform/
>
> https://www.suse.com/c/suse-salp-raises-the-bar-on-confidential-computing/
>
> https://www.muylinux.com/2024/01/15/opensuse-leap-16-alp/

I was reading up on opensuse 16 yesterday and it seems that 16 will let
you do container based read only root, and regular read/write root. Since
I like to make modifications and not have to restart, I'll happily take
the classic version. Seems like opensuse leap will live on for all of
version 16 at least! =)