https://techxplore.com/news/2024-11-nvidia-intel-dow-index-ai.html

.. . .

NVidia makes the special parallel-processing chips most
widely used for "AI" applications these days. It has been
selling VAST quantities of those for awhile.

These are not really "CPU" chips however - they do
parallel math ops REALLY fast and that's their main
thing.

However the way most people will ACCESS those "AI"
apps will be through Intel-powered PCs.

So don't think Intel is goin' down anytime soon, but
it WILL have to share the processor market a bit more.

--
033-33

On 03/11/2024 04:54, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> https://techxplore.com/news/2024-11-nvidia-intel-dow-index-ai.html
>
> . . .
>
>   NVidia makes the special parallel-processing chips most
>   widely used for "AI" applications these days. It has been
>   selling VAST quantities of those for awhile.
>
>   These are not really "CPU" chips however - they do
>   parallel math ops REALLY fast and that's their main
>   thing.
>
>   However the way most people will ACCESS those "AI"
>   apps will be through Intel-powered PCs.
>
>   So don't think Intel is goin' down anytime soon, but
>   it WILL have to share the processor market a bit more.
>

I think that ARM having eaten into its market in low power devices is
now swinging up towards an equal power performance solution.

And the trend away from customisable solutions towards pure consumer
crap, means its not important what the OS actually is.

No, I don't think intel powered PCs are the future any more than I think
that Windows PCs are.

What we seem to be seeing is a consumer base that is delighted to have
Siri or whatever talk to someone else's cloud, share all their secret
life online and drip feed them with marketing propaganda, whilst tying
them in to rented software and a planned lifetime of a few years for the
latest 'shiny new thing'

A gentler more commercial form of communism...

--
"Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold."

― Confucius

On 2024-11-03, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> What we seem to be seeing is a consumer base that is delighted to have
> Siri or whatever talk to someone else's cloud, share all their secret
> life online and drip feed them with marketing propaganda, whilst tying
> them in to rented software and a planned lifetime of a few years for the
> latest 'shiny new thing'
>
> A gentler more commercial form of communism...

Well, all this subscription-based stuff shows that even right-wing
corporations are pursuing Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination
of private property.

"Siri, define 'bugging'."

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey

On 11/3/24 3:48 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 03/11/2024 04:54, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> https://techxplore.com/news/2024-11-nvidia-intel-dow-index-ai.html
>>
>> . . .
>>
>>    NVidia makes the special parallel-processing chips most
>>    widely used for "AI" applications these days. It has been
>>    selling VAST quantities of those for awhile.
>>
>>    These are not really "CPU" chips however - they do
>>    parallel math ops REALLY fast and that's their main
>>    thing.
>>
>>    However the way most people will ACCESS those "AI"
>>    apps will be through Intel-powered PCs.
>>
>>    So don't think Intel is goin' down anytime soon, but
>>    it WILL have to share the processor market a bit more.
>>
>
> I think that ARM having eaten into its market in low power devices is
> now swinging up towards an equal power performance solution.

They're trying, but Intel has very well refined solutions
in that market. ARM may ruin itself trying to catch up
and they still won't have that Intel brand-rec. IMHO
ARM should continue to focus on 'devices', seeking the
best mix of performance and low power consumption.

> And the trend away from customisable solutions towards pure consumer
> crap, means its not important what  the OS actually is.

Any OS will do ... but Winders WILL remain very popular
"just because" and Apple has a similar claim to the
market foundation. Android(-like) systems are geared
for 'devices' and well known. Linux will remain something
of an outsider, albeit with a number of useful niches.

> No, I don't think intel powered PCs are the future any more than I think
> that Windows PCs are.

Somewhere I posted the other day that M$ profits were up 16%
the last quarter. It's not JUST the OS, but I think "Windows PCs"
aren't going away anytime soon. They're entrenched, they are
the devil everyone knows. Hell, developers rarely bother to make
their good apps for anything other than M$/iOS - an investment/
return equation at the very least.

> What we seem to be seeing is a consumer base that is delighted to have
> Siri or whatever talk to someone else's cloud, share all their secret
> life online and drip feed them with marketing propaganda, whilst tying
> them in to rented software and a planned lifetime of a few years for the
> latest 'shiny new thing'
>
> A gentler more commercial form of communism...

Yea, there's that ...

But nobody gets it and their lives now revolve around
such digital crack & candy. They will be all confused
when it's turned against them (if they even figure
that it IS).

For totalitarianism to work you don't have to fool EVERYBODY,
just ENOUGH. The rest can be intimidated, pushed along with
the herd.

It's why autocracies have been by FAR the default form of
govt/herd-management all through history. Looks like we're
going back to that right now.

The EU is so pleased to save you from all those
bad/wrong/dangerous ideas out there - can even use
AI to do it automatically ! Nothing but good
govt-certified/purified truths ! Keeps yer
kiddies safe ! Alleviates stress ! Yay !!!

On 11/3/24 2:15 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2024-11-03, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> What we seem to be seeing is a consumer base that is delighted to have
>> Siri or whatever talk to someone else's cloud, share all their secret
>> life online and drip feed them with marketing propaganda, whilst tying
>> them in to rented software and a planned lifetime of a few years for the
>> latest 'shiny new thing'
>>
>> A gentler more commercial form of communism...
>
> Well, all this subscription-based stuff shows that even right-wing
> corporations are pursuing Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination
> of private property.
>
> "Siri, define 'bugging'."

Money talks the loudest.

Nothing new there.

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 08:48:50 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> A gentler more commercial form of communism...

“Communism” is when the Government does it.

What do you call it when a private company does it?

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 15:24:19 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 11/3/24 3:48 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> I think that ARM having eaten into its market in low power devices is
>> now swinging up towards an equal power performance solution.
>
> They're trying, but Intel has very well refined solutions in that
> market. ARM may ruin itself trying to catch up ...

I’ve got news for you: ARM has already caught up and has long been
inhabiting the high-performance computing space.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujitsu_A64FX>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugaku_(supercomputer)>

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 20:50:49 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 08:48:50 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> A gentler more commercial form of communism...
>
> “Communism” is when the Government does it.
>
> What do you call it when a private company does it?

Corporatocracy. The government plays its part. C Wirght Mills wasn't very
far off in his 1956 'The Power Elite'. Eisenhower warned about it as he
was walking out the door and other politicians havetalked about it when it
was safe to do so.

On Sun, 03 Nov 2024 19:15:59 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> Well, all this subscription-based stuff shows that even right-wing
> corporations are pursuing Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of
> private property.

Oh no, it is still “private property”, only it is owned by corporations
too powerful for any mere Government to rein in.

Karl Marx never saw such a thing coming. It’s basically a Capitalist
robber baron’s wet dream.

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 15:24:19 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> They're trying, but Intel has very well refined solutions in that
> market. ARM may ruin itself trying to catch up and they still won't
> have that Intel brand-rec. IMHO ARM should continue to focus on
> 'devices', seeking the best mix of performance and low power
> consumption.

<quibble>
I doubt Arm Holdings will ruin itself. Its licensees, otoh, may well do
so.
</quibble>

On 3 Nov 2024 23:10:33 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> I doubt Arm Holdings will ruin itself.

They do seem to be getting a bit greedy. Cf the stoush with Qualcomm.

On 11/3/24 6:10 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 15:24:19 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> They're trying, but Intel has very well refined solutions in that
>> market. ARM may ruin itself trying to catch up and they still won't
>> have that Intel brand-rec. IMHO ARM should continue to focus on
>> 'devices', seeking the best mix of performance and low power
>> consumption.
>
> <quibble>
> I doubt Arm Holdings will ruin itself. Its licensees, otoh, may well do
> so.
> </quibble>

Sometimes you get an exec who wants to GO FOR IT - win
or die trying. Death is NOT so unusual in these cases.
Corps take out huge loans, pay insane salaries to woo
top minds away from the competition, ASSUME it'll all
pay off Just In Time.

How many Big Tech corps from the 60s/70s went under ?
Hell, Apple almost went under - the cute little orig
Mac was a brilliant save.

Even "merit" alone can't always save a corp, there are
many factors affecting sales. And hey, why did Red Hat
sell out to IBM ? Their product was as good before as
after - but IBM had the money/name/clout to elevate it
to more 'significant' roles (and no doubt some RH
investors got a nice fat pay-off.

ANYway - ARM can surely improve chip performance, but
should that be it's priority, something to blow the
net worth on ? Lower-energy seems more of an ARM thing
and what all 'device' owners want.

Oh well, we can guess all we will - ARM will do what
it's gonna do.

On 3 Nov 2024 22:58:02 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 20:50:49 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 08:48:50 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> A gentler more commercial form of communism...
>>
>> “Communism” is when the Government does it.
>>
>> What do you call it when a private company does it?
>
> Corporatocracy. The government plays its part.

It mainly happens when the Government doesn’t do enough of its part.
Namely, regulating against anticompetitive practices.

Yes, it takes rules, and enforcement of those rules, to keep a free market
free.

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 18:30:47 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> ANYway - ARM can surely improve chip performance, but should that be
> it's priority, something to blow the net worth on ? Lower-energy
> seems more of an ARM thing and what all 'device' owners want.

It isn't clear to me how the interaction of Arm Holdings and their
licensees works. Arm Holdings doesn't fabricate devices. Overlooking the
current feud, when Arm licenses its designs to Qualcomm, who is
responsible for the integration into a Snapdragon SoC?

The Raspberry Pi family is another example. The Pi 4 uses the Broadcom
BCM2711 with 4 Cortex-A72 cores at 1.5 GHZ. The Pi 5 has the BCM2712 with
4 Cortex-A76 cores at 2.4 GHz. The 5 is much faster but requires a better
power supply. Cooling is strongly suggested if you're going to push it.
How much of the power and performance difference is from the core design
and how much from Broadcom's decisions during integration.

The A78 is claimed to be better for power and performance where the
Cortex-X1 is the balls to the wall rework of the A78 used in the
Snapdragon 888 but that design also has 3 A76 cores and 4 A55 cores to
balance things out.

The first devices were hot little buggers which ultimately got blamed on
Samsung's manufacturing process versus TSMC so it seems It's not only the
Arm design but who fabs the device.

https://www.patentlyapple.com/2021/05/tsmc-bailed-qualcomm-out-of-a-jam-
earlier-this-year-when-the-snapdragon-888-produced-by-samsung-caused-
overheating-issues.html

In short, Arm's designs are aimed at different criteria but much of the
responsibility depends on what the licensees do with the designs. Bring on
the finger pointing.

On 11/3/24 9:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 18:30:47 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> ANYway - ARM can surely improve chip performance, but should that be
>> it's priority, something to blow the net worth on ? Lower-energy
>> seems more of an ARM thing and what all 'device' owners want.
>
> It isn't clear to me how the interaction of Arm Holdings and their
> licensees works. Arm Holdings doesn't fabricate devices. Overlooking the
> current feud, when Arm licenses its designs to Qualcomm, who is
> responsible for the integration into a Snapdragon SoC?
>
> The Raspberry Pi family is another example. The Pi 4 uses the Broadcom
> BCM2711 with 4 Cortex-A72 cores at 1.5 GHZ. The Pi 5 has the BCM2712 with
> 4 Cortex-A76 cores at 2.4 GHz. The 5 is much faster but requires a better
> power supply. Cooling is strongly suggested if you're going to push it.
> How much of the power and performance difference is from the core design
> and how much from Broadcom's decisions during integration.
>
> The A78 is claimed to be better for power and performance where the
> Cortex-X1 is the balls to the wall rework of the A78 used in the
> Snapdragon 888 but that design also has 3 A76 cores and 4 A55 cores to
> balance things out.
>
> The first devices were hot little buggers which ultimately got blamed on
> Samsung's manufacturing process versus TSMC so it seems It's not only the
> Arm design but who fabs the device.
>
> https://www.patentlyapple.com/2021/05/tsmc-bailed-qualcomm-out-of-a-jam-
> earlier-this-year-when-the-snapdragon-888-produced-by-samsung-caused-
> overheating-issues.html
>
> In short, Arm's designs are aimed at different criteria but much of the
> responsibility depends on what the licensees do with the designs. Bring on
> the finger pointing.

True ... it's rarely THAT simple these days.

My direct experience with Pi4 vs Pi5 is that the thing
seems mostly twice as fast. The 5 may have better power
management too - but at full tilt it can use more juice.

My main gripe was the version of Deb rolled out with
the P5 - it wasn't right, seemed like every thing I was
using them for didn't work. Too-early release maybe ?

Sometime I'll try a later version and see if they've
fixed things. NOT happy with the Canonical direction
Deb has taken. Deb is supposed to be the solid stodgy
FOUNDATION, not just another sub-version of Ubuntu.
There's STILL not a Fedora that's properly tuned for a
P5, despite promises, or I'd use that. Last Pi I bought,
went back to the P4.

Been into BMax/BeeLink mini-boxes of late ... all have
kinda 'cheap laptop' i3 calibre CPUs. Put Manjaro on
a couple, F40 on one and maybe FreeBSD on the remaining
unit. Happy to brag that the included Win did not run
for a single microsecond on any unit :-)

On 2024-11-03, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 08:48:50 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> A gentler more commercial form of communism...
>
> “Communism” is when the Government does it.
>
> What do you call it when a private company does it?

I've heard the term "corporatism". IMHO that's a
contraction of "corporate fascism".

--
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey

On 4 Nov 2024 02:49:58 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> Arm Holdings doesn't fabricate devices.

True, but they do have core circuits that licensees can incorporate into
their chips if they don’t want to create the entire design from scratch. I
wonder how you test such core circuits without at least doing some test
fabrications.

On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 04:57:29 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2024-11-03, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 08:48:50 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> A gentler more commercial form of communism...
>>
>> “Communism” is when the Government does it.
>>
>> What do you call it when a private company does it?
>
> I've heard the term "corporatism". IMHO that's a contraction of
> "corporate fascism".

Yup, “fascism” sounds about right ...

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 22:25:34 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> My main gripe was the version of Deb rolled out with the P5 - it
> wasn't right, seemed like every thing I was using them for didn't
> work. Too-early release maybe ?

I avoided bookworm on my Debian desktop box but I haven't has a problem
with the Raspberry Pi OS version. It runs VS Code and the Pico SDK which
is about all I've done with it so far.

> Been into BMax/BeeLink mini-boxes of late ... all have kinda 'cheap
> laptop' i3 calibre CPUs. Put Manjaro on a couple, F40 on one and
> maybe FreeBSD on the remaining unit. Happy to brag that the included
> Win did not run for a single microsecond on any unit

My main machine has been a Beelink with a Ryzen 7 4700U. The specs are
very similar to my Acer Swift 3 laptop. It has Ubuntu 22.04 and has been
perking along since February 2023. I'm not that crazy about Ubuntu but my
previuos main box was SuSS and I wanted a change.

On 11/4/24 1:27 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 22:25:34 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>
>> My main gripe was the version of Deb rolled out with the P5 - it
>> wasn't right, seemed like every thing I was using them for didn't
>> work. Too-early release maybe ?
>
> I avoided bookworm on my Debian desktop box but I haven't has a problem
> with the Raspberry Pi OS version. It runs VS Code and the Pico SDK which
> is about all I've done with it so far.

I use some for security-cam apps. The /dev/video stuff
was NOT right fer sure. The devices would disappear and
appear under entirely different numbers over and over.
Useless. Still working on a comprehensive home-security
system and I will stick to the P4/Buster and stay the
hell away from Worm.

>> Been into BMax/BeeLink mini-boxes of late ... all have kinda 'cheap
>> laptop' i3 calibre CPUs. Put Manjaro on a couple, F40 on one and
>> maybe FreeBSD on the remaining unit. Happy to brag that the included
>> Win did not run for a single microsecond on any unit
>
> My main machine has been a Beelink with a Ryzen 7 4700U. The specs are
> very similar to my Acer Swift 3 laptop. It has Ubuntu 22.04 and has been
> perking along since February 2023. I'm not that crazy about Ubuntu but my
> previuos main box was SuSS and I wanted a change.

These mini-boxes ARE pretty good - and at very fair
prices too. You get as much CPU as you wanna pay for.

MY needs, so far, fit into the i3 area, so I can get
by pretty cheap. I added 500gb SSDs to two boxes and
a 500gb USB3->M7 on another. For the likely eventual
FreeBSD I have a four bay external mag-disk enclosure
intended for NAS purposes.

Noted : BMax tend to have two usb2 and two usb3 while
the BeeLinks have four usb3.

If you want serious kiosk/industrial mini-boxes, look
at SuperMicro. Some of those tiny boards/boxes have
headers for connections even I never heard of, obscure
industrial stuff. Price isn't TOO bad.

Anyway, Linux lets these boxes be all that they can
be as opposed to the obese pig Win - and you don't
have to create an online M$ spy account !

On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 01:51:43 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Anyway, Linux lets these boxes be all that they can be as opposed to
> the obese pig Win - and you don't have to create an online M$ spy
> account !

The Beelink came with Windows 11 Pro. I was a little skeptical of the
license but Win11 didn't last long enough to bother. I've done dual boots
in the past but lately I go scorched earth if there's anything on the
drive.

On 11/4/24 2:03 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 01:51:43 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> Anyway, Linux lets these boxes be all that they can be as opposed to
>> the obese pig Win - and you don't have to create an online M$ spy
>> account !
>
> The Beelink came with Windows 11 Pro. I was a little skeptical of the
> license but Win11 didn't last long enough to bother. I've done dual boots
> in the past but lately I go scorched earth if there's anything on the
> drive.

I do NOT need M$ for anything whatsoever - so Win DIES
immediately !

Made a VM of a recent FreeBSD so I could experiment with
installation quirks and see how to install xorg and xfce
desktop. The way it works the GUI stuff does NOT come up
automagically, but you have to 'startx'. For my needs this
is kinda exactly what I want. MOST access will be SSH.

The GUIs *can* be very handy sometimes ... but you don't
necessarily want them to start EVERY time.

In any case, very happy with BeeLink/BMax. Alas do NOT
have the Pi I/O pins, but different boards for different
uses hey ........

Recently got an Ard Uno and the bits and pieces to build
an electronic door lock. TWO-button switch. The idea is
to enter a 7 or 8 digit BINARY combo using the buttons
with maybe a 10-15 second time-out. Gotta decide on
polling -vs- interrupt ... interrupt can use much less
standby power if you do it right combined with the Ard
low-power/sleep library. Amazing what can be done even
with really weak/slow chips. For MOST Ard uses though
I'd rec the Mega2560 - but you may have to tweak the libs
for accessories as the pins are different. Built some
good multi-channel solar-powered environmental
monitors using those boards.

Note the "RuggedDurino 2560" ... all pins zener
protected.

You CAN buy 3.3v logic-level MOSFETS now, which would
be handier for PI applications that have to drive relays
and such. However I tend to put optoisolators between
boards and the outside world if extreme signal speed
isn't required. This is both safe AND you can drive
the optos with 3.3 but use 5v or more on the transistor
side of things. Also great at rejecting high-volt/low-amp
noise from motors, relays, ignition systems and such.

(nudefroups trimmed to colm...)

In <lor9usFdl7cU2@mid.individual.net> rbowman:

[Snip...]

> The Beelink came with Windows 11 Pro. I was a little skeptical of the
> license but Win11 didn't last long enough to bother. I've done dual boots
> in the past but lately I go scorched earth if there's anything on the
> drive.

+1

I have a wowe Mini PC (AMD Excavator)

Here's the review I wrote about it for Amazon:

<Quote>

I don't use Microsoft, but the Linux version I received has outstanding value
as a personal or SOHO PC.

Runs very quietly, and onboard cooling seems very effective (personal or SOHO
tasks).

Additional 16GB RAM (separate order) installed easily and works flawlessly.

Delivered with Ubuntu Linux. I prefer Debian, which installed flawlessly.

Minor Linux nit: neither the Ubuntu nor the Debian install supports switching
from X console to a non-X console (TTY command line), via the CNTL-ALT-F(1:6)
keyboard toggles.

</Quote>

FWIW: installed Bookworm over (I think) Ubuntu 22.4 delivered.

Caveat: The wowe does not get good reviews on Amazon (2.7 out of
5 stars, last I checked).

I'm unsure what that's about (overclocker Winduds gamers?).

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On 11/3/24 22:56, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 15:24:19 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> On 11/3/24 3:48 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> I think that ARM having eaten into its market in low power devices is
>>> now swinging up towards an equal power performance solution.
>>
>> They're trying, but Intel has very well refined solutions in that
>> market. ARM may ruin itself trying to catch up ...
>
> I’ve got news for you: ARM has already caught up and has long been
> inhabiting the high-performance computing space.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujitsu_A64FX>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugaku_(supercomputer)>

And you also have ARM based OS X Apple Macs in the consumer market.

Intel have had competitor chips (non 86) in the past and survived. I
think the main difference this time is that MS Windows is no longer
dominant. Competitor chips have similar revenue to fund development.

On 04/11/2024 03:25, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> My direct experience with Pi4 vs Pi5 is that the thing
>   seems mostly twice as fast. The 5 may have better power
>   management too - but at full tilt it can use more juice.

I was having a chat yesterday with a man who was fairly involved with
ACORN and ARM back in the day. He put it very simply:

For a given clock speed, which is limited by the physical dimensions of
the chip, the smaller the transistors the less power it takes to run the
chips.

However fabrication limits are getting stuck at 10nm and below, and
clock speeds are stuck at a few GHz which means that the
power-performance ratio is pretty much the same for Intel and ARM
architectures. Only by having fewer transistors and implicitly doing
less, can the power be reduced.

I.e. Moore's law has basically stopped representing reality. And ARM is
no longer fantastic power performance compared with Intel. Its one
advantage is it doesn't have to support a legacy architecture. And so
its probably cheaper and less buggy.

So the price performance is probably still there, but not power.

--
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