On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 07:40:46 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
wrote in <veo8ot$27bqb$11@dont-email.me>:

> 186282@ud0s4.net wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>> Trump IS grating ... no question ... but K is just an empty skull.
>> That's been her JOB. Can't have someone like that in times like
>> these.
>
> Trump's the empty skull. Well, it is full... of nonsense and bile.

He carries his bowels in his head, which explains what comes
out of his mouth.

>> Not entirely sure of the Linux angle here though ...
>
> Harris as VP was like Linux, working reliably in the background.
>
> She's no empty skull. She was a prosecutor, a district attorney, a state
> attorney general, a US senator, and the vice president. But some people
> cannot stand that in a woman.

While I agree with you, it has fsck-all to do with Linux.

I built my latest kernel Monday morning, but didn't boot it until
just a few minutes ago.

$ uname -a
Linux lm 6.11.3 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon Oct 14 06:25:38 PDT 2024 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Build of my kitchen-sink kernel took...

real 436.52
user 21765.03
sys 3686.62

....using RAMdisk on this system which uses an
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X 32-Core Processor.

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vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 07:40:46 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
> wrote in <veo8ot$27bqb$11@dont-email.me>:
>
>> <snip>
>
> While I agree with you, it has fsck-all to do with Linux.

You yelled at me, but not anyone else!!!! No fair! No fair!!!

> $ uname -a
> Linux lm 6.11.3 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon Oct 14 06:25:38 PDT 2024 x86_64
> x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> Build of my kitchen-sink kernel took...
>
> real 436.52
> user 21765.03
> sys 3686.62
>
> ...using RAMdisk on this system which uses an
> AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X 32-Core Processor.

--
Wandering

What is the difference between assent and denial?
What is the difference between beautiful and ugly?
What is the difference between fearsome and afraid?
The people are merry as if at a magnificent party
Or playing in the park at springtime,
But I am tranquil and wandering,
Like a newborn before it learns to smile,
Alone, with no true home.
The people have enough and to spare,
Where I have nothing,
And my heart is foolish,
Muddled and cloudy.
The people are bright and certain,
Where I am dim and confused;
The people are clever and wise,
Where I am dull and ignorant;
Aimless as a wave drifting over the sea,
Attached to nothing.
The people are busy with purpose,
Where I am impractical and rough;
I do not share the peoples' cares
But I am fed at nature's breast.
-- Lao Tse, "Tao Te Ching"

On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 14:24:03 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
wrote in <vep0d2$2bk36$2@dont-email.me>:

> vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 07:40:46 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
>> <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
>> wrote in <veo8ot$27bqb$11@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> <snip>
>>
>> While I agree with you, it has fsck-all to do with Linux.
>
> You yelled at me, but not anyone else!!!! No fair! No fair!!!

I was agreeing with you. :)

>> $ uname -a Linux lm 6.11.3 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon Oct 14 06:25:38
>> PDT 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>
>> Build of my kitchen-sink kernel took...
>>
>> real 436.52 user 21765.03 sys 3686.62
>>
>> ...using RAMdisk on this system which uses an AMD Ryzen Threadripper
>> 3970X 32-Core Processor.

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On 16/10/2024 12:40, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> She's no empty skull. She was a prosecutor, a district attorney, a state
> attorney general, a US senator, and the vice president. But some people cannot
> stand that in a woman.

I note that you omitted the adjective 'successful' from her resumé...

That pretty much describes our new prime minister.

He is all things considered, a man, and a completely incompetent cunt.

elected because the Tories seemed even worse.

In fact they are almost identical in their utter failure to address
really important issues and make a lot of noise about irrelevant tripe.
And put their snouts in the trough

--
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

- Bertrand Russell

On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 07:40:46 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Harris as VP was like Linux, working reliably in the background.

There you have the problem. If she was working reliably in the background
for the last three and a half years she can hardly claim to be a candidate
for change. Obama could make that work after eight years of Bush.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 07:40:46 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Harris as VP was like Linux, working reliably in the background.
>
> There you have the problem. If she was working reliably in the background
> for the last three and a half years she can hardly claim to be a candidate
> for change. Obama could make that work after eight years of Bush.

Whatever, dude. Incremental change is fine with me.

The big changes we really need (eliminating Citizens United, taking medical
insurers out of the system, and so much more) will never happen.

The game is rigged.

Heh heh:

--
We have only two things to worry about: That things will never get
back to normal, and that they already have.

On 17/10/2024 11:54, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 07:40:46 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Harris as VP was like Linux, working reliably in the background.
>>
>> There you have the problem. If she was working reliably in the background
>> for the last three and a half years she can hardly claim to be a candidate
>> for change. Obama could make that work after eight years of Bush.
>
> Whatever, dude. Incremental change is fine with me.
>
> The big changes we really need (eliminating Citizens United, taking medical
> insurers out of the system, and so much more) will never happen.
>
It will if you let Putin take Alaska and China have the whole west coast.

> The game is rigged.
>
> Heh heh:
>

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(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian
utopia of 1984.”

Vaclav Klaus

On 10/16/24 6:56 AM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> writes:
>> BUT ... as said, even a 32-bit int can handle fairly
>> large vals. Mult little vals by 100 or 1000 and you can
>> throw away the need for decimal points - and the POWER
>> required to do such calx. Accuracy should be more than
>> adequate.
>
> You’re talking about fixed-point arithmetic, which is already used where
> appropriate (although the scale is a power of 2 so you can shift
> products down into the right place rather than dividing).
>
>> In any case, I'm happy SOMEONE finally realized this.
>>
>> TOOK a really LONG time though ......
>
> It’s obvious that you’ve not actually read or understood the paper that
> this thread is about.

Maybe I understood it better than you ... and from
4+ decades of experiences.

But, argue as you will. I'm not too proud. Many are
better than me, many more are worse.

IF this was just about the power reqs of various forms
of fixed/floating then there'd be little point in the
article. Breaking the FP tradition as much as possible
and going to (wide) ints really CAN save tons of power
and time. With current AI systems this is a BIG deal.

There was a period where I had to do some quasi-AI stuff
for micro-controllers. Crude NNs/Fuzzy mostly. Not too
sophisticated, yet the approach DID make 'em better.

Now DO check into what's needed for FP on a PIC or 8051.
It's nasty. By seeing beyond the usual examples in books
and articles - which all used FP for "convenience" -
I found the vast advantages of substituting ints instead.
Easy to FAKE a few decimal-points of precision using
ints. That's usually more than good enough.

You can splice an NPU into most any kind of processor
BUT the steps to do FP don't really change, still suck
up power. Just SEEMS trivial because it's faster.

"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> writes:
> On 10/16/24 6:56 AM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>> "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> writes:
>>> BUT ... as said, even a 32-bit int can handle fairly
>>> large vals. Mult little vals by 100 or 1000 and you can
>>> throw away the need for decimal points - and the POWER
>>> required to do such calx. Accuracy should be more than
>>> adequate.
>> You’re talking about fixed-point arithmetic, which is already used
>> where appropriate (although the scale is a power of 2 so you can
>> shift products down into the right place rather than dividing).
>>
>>> In any case, I'm happy SOMEONE finally realized this.
>>>
>>> TOOK a really LONG time though ......
>>
>> It’s obvious that you’ve not actually read or understood the paper
>> that this thread is about.
>
> Maybe I understood it better than you ... and from
> 4+ decades of experiences.

Perhaps you could explain why you keep talking about integer arithmetic
when the paper is about floating point arithmetic, then.

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

On 10/18/24 12:34 PM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> writes:
>> On 10/16/24 6:56 AM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>> "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> writes:
>>>> BUT ... as said, even a 32-bit int can handle fairly
>>>> large vals. Mult little vals by 100 or 1000 and you can
>>>> throw away the need for decimal points - and the POWER
>>>> required to do such calx. Accuracy should be more than
>>>> adequate.
>>> You’re talking about fixed-point arithmetic, which is already used
>>> where appropriate (although the scale is a power of 2 so you can
>>> shift products down into the right place rather than dividing).
>>>
>>>> In any case, I'm happy SOMEONE finally realized this.
>>>>
>>>> TOOK a really LONG time though ......
>>>
>>> It’s obvious that you’ve not actually read or understood the paper
>>> that this thread is about.
>>
>> Maybe I understood it better than you ... and from
>> 4+ decades of experiences.
>
> Perhaps you could explain why you keep talking about integer arithmetic
> when the paper is about floating point arithmetic, then.

Umm ... because the idea of swapping FP for ints in
order to save lots of power was introduced ?

This issue is getting to be *poitical* now - the
ultra-greenies freaking about how much power the
'AI' computing centers require.

186282ud0s3 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 10/18/24 12:34 PM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Perhaps you could explain why you keep talking about integer arithmetic
>> when the paper is about floating point arithmetic, then.
>
> Umm ... because the idea of swapping FP for ints in
> order to save lots of power was introduced ?
>
> This issue is getting to be *poitical* now - the
> ultra-greenies freaking about how much power the
> 'AI' computing centers require.

Heh, I freak out about sites I visit that make my computer rev up and
turn on the cooler: sites polluted with ads, sites that use your CPU
to mine bitcoin and who knows what else.

--
A putt that stops close enough to the cup to inspire such comments as
"you could blow it in" may be blown in. This rule does not apply if
the ball is more than three inches from the hole, because no one wants
to make a travesty of the game.
-- Donald A. Metz

On 18/10/2024 20:56, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 186282ud0s3 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 10/18/24 12:34 PM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Perhaps you could explain why you keep talking about integer arithmetic
>>> when the paper is about floating point arithmetic, then.
>>
>> Umm ... because the idea of swapping FP for ints in
>> order to save lots of power was introduced ?
>>
>> This issue is getting to be *poitical* now - the
>> ultra-greenies freaking about how much power the
>> 'AI' computing centers require.
>
> Heh, I freak out about sites I visit that make my computer rev up and
> turn on the cooler: sites polluted with ads, sites that use your CPU
> to mine bitcoin and who knows what else.
>

People say this, but I haven't seen hardly any ads since installing
Ublock origin.
I have a CPU and bandwidth monitor in my task bar and if it starts
looking odd, I exit the site...

--
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the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.