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* Re: An NTFS distro ?vallor

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Subject: Re: An NTFS distro ?
From: vallor
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On Sun, 05 May 2024 15:22:47 -0700 (Seattle), "Relf"
<Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote in <Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--3.22pm.Seattle.2024>:

> You (rBowman) replied ( to me ):
>> > Why haven't any of you propeller heads tried an NTFS distro ?
>>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/13/how_ntfs_finally_made_it/
>
> No one has tried it, apparently.

Native NTFS support in the kernel is relatively new.

Meanwhile, the ext{2,3,4} filesystems just got better and better.
ext4 is solid and proper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4

It's journaling, but if you want faster performance, you
can mount with an option that only journals metadata.

NTFS is interesting, though, because it has shadow copy. (If
you use Netapp filers, it seems to be similar to the .snapshot
directory. I've never used NTFS shadow copy, maybe someone
will speak up about it.)

Reading up on NTFS on Wikipedia, it doesn't look like there's
much to recommend it over more open file systems -- and one
might argue it's not a great idea to entrust your files
to a filesystem whose de facto reference implementation
was proprietary for so long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS

It is a bit hypocritical for me to raise that point, though,
because I've been a fan of Netapp filers (with .snapshot
support) for decades. But, that's an appliance.

Finally, I just read about "Transactional NTFS", and it sounds
like a nice feature to have...if you can get it.

[ Newsgroup comp.os.linux.misc added, as this is a general
linux question, and not advocacy. ]

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DistroMan:
> I've never used NTFS shadow copy, maybe someone will speak up about it.)

I use shadow copy almost every day, I'm using it right now.
With ShadowSpawn, RoboCopy backs up the specified files,
no matter if they're open or not.

ShadowSpawn C:\__ R: RoboCopy R: A:\__ /B /XF Robo.TXT /XD Tmp Del *IE-Tmp *TileDataLayer *Packages *Recent /NDL /mir /J /NJH /NJS /NP /UNILOG:C:\__\Robo.TXT

Subject: Re: Windows Copy Trouble
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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On Sun, 05 May 2024 17:58:31 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> I use shadow copy almost every day, I'm using it right now.
> With ShadowSpawn, RoboCopy backs up the specified files,
> no matter if they're open or not.

Sometimes, the easiest way to copy a lot of Windows files is with Linux
<https://www.theregister.com/2010/09/24/sysadmin_file_tools/>.

Subject: Re: Windows Copy Trouble
From: Charlie Gibbs
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On 2024-05-06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 05 May 2024 17:58:31 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:
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>> I use shadow copy almost every day, I'm using it right now.
>> With ShadowSpawn, RoboCopy backs up the specified files,
>> no matter if they're open or not.
>
> Sometimes, the easiest way to copy a lot of Windows files is with Linux
><https://www.theregister.com/2010/09/24/sysadmin_file_tools/>.

I still get that "too good to be true" feeling when I open a VPN from
my Linux laptop to the company's Windows servers and play with their
NTFS drives using Linux tools (including zipping and unzipping files).

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | The Internet is like a big city:
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | it has plenty of bright lights and
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | excitement, but also dark alleys
/ \ if you read it the right way. | down which the unwary get mugged.

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