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* How to link to a file with ampersand in its nameThe Natural Philosopher
+- Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its nameLew Pitcher
+* Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its nameAndy Burns
|+* Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its nameLew Pitcher
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||`* Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its nameLew Pitcher
|| `* Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its nameThe Natural Philosopher
||  `* Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its namerbowman
||   `- Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its nameThe Natural Philosopher
|`* Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its nameThe Natural Philosopher
| `- Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its nameCarlos E.R.
+- Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its nameRich
+- Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its nameCarlos E.R.
`- Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its nameLawrence D'Oliveiro

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Subject: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
From: The Natural Philosop
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Organization: A little, after lunch
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 17:59 UTC
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From: tnp@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
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I have a file that has to be called U&blah.png

I cannot find any way to direct the browser to load it

U&ampblah.png doesnt work
U%26blah.png doesnt work

Using php rawurlencode doesnt work. It effectively does nothing

Any ideas?

--
Any fool can believe in principles - and most of them do!

Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
From: Lew Pitcher
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From: lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca (Lew Pitcher)
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Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
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On Sat, 07 Sep 2024 18:59:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I have a file that has to be called U&blah.png
>
> I cannot find any way to direct the browser to load it
>
> U&ampblah.png doesnt work
> U%26blah.png doesnt work
>
> Using php rawurlencode doesnt work. It effectively does nothing
>
> Any ideas?

This does not /directly/ address your issue, but....

Can you not create a filesystem (hard/soft)link to the file,
such that the (hard/soft)link /does not/ include the ampersand,
and then use /that/ filename in your html?

Something like
ln -s 'U&blah.png' U_blah.png
....
<img src="U_blah.png"/>

?

--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills We Trust"

Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
From: Andy Burns
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 18:44 UTC
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From: usenet@andyburns.uk (Andy Burns)
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Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I have a file that has to be called U&blah.png
>
> I cannot find any way to direct the browser to load it
>
> U&ampblah.png doesnt work
> U%26blah.png doesnt work
>
> Using php rawurlencode doesnt work. It effectively does nothing
>
> Any ideas?
http://localhost/U%26blah.txt

works here (both with IIS on win11 and apache on Fedora)

Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
From: Rich
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 19:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> I have a file that has to be called U&blah.png
>
> I cannot find any way to direct the browser to load it
>
> U&ampblah.png doesnt work

You have a syntax error above. An encoded ampersand is &amp;
The trailing semicolon is part of the encoded value.

You need U&amp;blah.png inside the src="" attribute.

Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
From: Lew Pitcher
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Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
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On Sat, 07 Sep 2024 19:44:30 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> I have a file that has to be called U&blah.png
>>
>> I cannot find any way to direct the browser to load it
>>
>> U&ampblah.png doesnt work
>> U%26blah.png doesnt work
>>
>> Using php rawurlencode doesnt work. It effectively does nothing
>>
>> Any ideas?
> http://localhost/U%26blah.txt
>
> works here (both with IIS on win11 and apache on Fedora)

With test files white_grapes.png and white&grapes.png
(where white_grapes.png is a symlink to white&grapes.png)
both
<img src="white_grapes.png" />
and
<img src="white&grapes.png" />
produced proper images in Firefox, from an apache server

--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills We Trust"

Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
From: Andy Burns
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 19:16 UTC
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From: usenet@andyburns.uk (Andy Burns)
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Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
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Lew Pitcher wrote:

> both
> <img src="white_grapes.png" />
> and
> <img src="white&grapes.png" />
> produced proper images in Firefox, from an apache server
to the o/p, is the filename exactly what you think it is?

ls -b U* | hexdump -C

Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
From: Carlos E.R.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 19:27 UTC
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From: robin_listas@es.invalid (Carlos E.R.)
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Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
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On 2024-09-07 19:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> I have a file that has to be called U&blah.png
>
> I cannot find any way to direct the browser to load it
>
> U&ampblah.png doesnt work
> U%26blah.png doesnt work
>
> Using php rawurlencode doesnt work. It effectively does nothing
>
> Any ideas?

I copied a jpg file and renamed it "U&blah.jpg"

On the command line, this works:

w3m U\&blah.jpg

This is direct loading, bypassing apache.

If I put the file in apache path, it also works.

cer@Telcontar:/srv/www/home/cer/ampersand> l
total 12
drwxr-xr-x 2 cer users 4096 Sep 7 21:00 ./
drwxr-xr-x 5 cer root 4096 Sep 7 21:07 ../
-rw-r--r-- 1 cer users 3402 Sep 7 21:00 U&blah.jpg
cer@Telcontar:/srv/www/home/cer/ampersand>

The command "w3m http://localhost/~cer/ampersand" displays the page:

Index of /~cer/ampersand

Icon Name Last modified Size Description
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
[PARENTDIR] Parent Directory -
[IMG] U&blah.jpg 2024-09-07 21:00 3.3K
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━

Apache/2.4.51 (Linux/SUSE) Server at localhost Port 80

And hitting enter on the file displays the photo it contains (it calls
imagemagick, as w3m is a text mode web browser).

Then I tried with firefox, and it also works.

http://localhost/~cer/ampersand/U&blah.jpg

So, no problem! :-)

Oh, I also added a photo with png extension, no problem.

http://localhost/~cer/ampersand/x&inesnap-20020308-195150-1.png

Did I misunderstand something?

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
From: Lew Pitcher
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On Sat, 07 Sep 2024 19:05:54 +0000, Lew Pitcher wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Sep 2024 19:44:30 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> I have a file that has to be called U&blah.png
>>>
>>> I cannot find any way to direct the browser to load it
>>>
>>> U&ampblah.png doesnt work
>>> U%26blah.png doesnt work
>>>
>>> Using php rawurlencode doesnt work. It effectively does nothing
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>> http://localhost/U%26blah.txt
>>
>> works here (both with IIS on win11 and apache on Fedora)
>
> With test files white_grapes.png and white&grapes.png
> (where white_grapes.png is a symlink to white&grapes.png)
> both
> <img src="white_grapes.png" />
> and
> <img src="white&grapes.png" />
> produced proper images in Firefox, from an apache server

Also
http://host/white&grapes.png
resolves to the proper image when entered in the URL bar
of Firefox (again, image served by an apache server on Linux)

--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills We Trust"

Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 23:49 UTC
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From: ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro)
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Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
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On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 18:59:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I have a file that has to be called U&blah.png
>
> I cannot find any way to direct the browser to load it

Tried:

touch 'U&blah.png'
firefox U\&blah.png

And a Firefox tab appeared with “file:///«path»/U&blah.png” in its
address bar, and a message saying the image couldn’t be displayed
because it had errors (of course, being a zero-length file).

Or is this supposed to work through a web server?

Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
From: The Natural Philosop
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Organization: A little, after lunch
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:45 UTC
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From: tnp@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
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On 07/09/2024 19:44, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> I have a file that has to be called U&blah.png
>>
>> I cannot find any way to direct the browser to load it
>>
>> U&ampblah.png doesnt work
>> U%26blah.png doesnt work
>>
>> Using php rawurlencode doesnt work. It effectively does nothing
>>
>> Any ideas?
> http://localhost/U%26blah.txt
>
> works here (both with IIS on win11 and apache on Fedora)

Works here too when I actually point the browser at the development
server, not the old server.
I feel a trife ashamed....

--
"It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing
conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"

Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
From: The Natural Philosop
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Organization: A little, after lunch
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:47 UTC
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From: tnp@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
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On 07/09/2024 20:33, Lew Pitcher wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Sep 2024 19:05:54 +0000, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 07 Sep 2024 19:44:30 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a file that has to be called U&blah.png
>>>>
>>>> I cannot find any way to direct the browser to load it
>>>>
>>>> U&ampblah.png doesnt work
>>>> U%26blah.png doesnt work
>>>>
>>>> Using php rawurlencode doesnt work. It effectively does nothing
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>> http://localhost/U%26blah.txt
>>>
>>> works here (both with IIS on win11 and apache on Fedora)
>>
>> With test files white_grapes.png and white&grapes.png
>> (where white_grapes.png is a symlink to white&grapes.png)
>> both
>> <img src="white_grapes.png" />
>> and
>> <img src="white&grapes.png" />
>> produced proper images in Firefox, from an apache server
>
> Also
> http://host/white&grapes.png
> resolves to the proper image when entered in the URL bar
> of Firefox (again, image served by an apache server on Linux)
>
>
Yeah apologies all round. I was making changes to the development server
while testing on the old server.

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Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
From: Carlos E.R.
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Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
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On 2024-09-08 14:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/09/2024 19:44, Andy Burns wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> I have a file that has to be called U&blah.png
>>>
>>> I cannot find any way to direct the browser to load it
>>>
>>> U&ampblah.png doesnt work
>>> U%26blah.png doesnt work
>>>
>>> Using php rawurlencode doesnt work. It effectively does nothing
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>> http://localhost/U%26blah.txt
>>
>> works here (both with IIS on win11 and apache on Fedora)
>
> Works here too when I actually point the browser at the development
> server, not the old server.
> I feel a trife ashamed....

No problem -- Issue explained :-)

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Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
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On Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:47:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Yeah apologies all round. I was making changes to the development server
> while testing on the old server.

I've never, ever done anything like that :) It does tend to make you doubt
your sanity.

Subject: Re: How to link to a file with ampersand in its name
From: The Natural Philosop
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From: tnp@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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On 08/09/2024 18:45, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:47:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Yeah apologies all round. I was making changes to the development server
>> while testing on the old server.
>
> I've never, ever done anything like that :) It does tend to make you doubt
> your sanity.

The setup here is rather peculiar. Depending on what port (80 or 443)
you select you get a completely different server.

That isn't a long term solution, it's just how it is for development

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