While moving a desktop file,
it doesn't snap to grid
and disappears flies away)?

In Windows I would look in the Desktop directory.
Not here.
Where?

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On 8/25/24 17:07, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> While moving a desktop file,
> it doesn't snap to grid
> and disappears flies away)?
>
> In Windows I would look in the Desktop directory.
> Not here.
> Where?
>
Do you have a file manager?
You want to check in Trash and in /home/user-name
User-name is the name used when signing into your
computer.
You do not say which distribution of GNU/Linux you are
using nor what Desktop Environment you are using.

Good luck oh secretive one.

bliss

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Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> On 8/25/24 17:07, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> You do not say which distribution of GNU/Linux you are
> using nor what Desktop Environment you are using.
>
> Good luck oh secretive one.

If you check other postings by vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
you'll find this same pattern of failing to provide anything useful
repeating over and over.

Best to ignore the poster.

In <vahkjm$2dnbp$1@dont-email.me> Bobbie:

[Snip...]

> Best to ignore the poster

+1

Like talking to a brick wall. Plonked it months ago.

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CAE Linux 20 (ubuntu).

These disappeared a month ago.

I recently had the same problem and found it fell into another folder.

Like i said, in NecroSmurf, I usually pull up the directory "desktop"
and find it.

Problem is, this one, I didn't notice it was gone right away, so who knows
what I did to it on top of misplacing it.

I am probably going to try to recollect that info from scratch,
though a large chunk is prolly not possible.

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On 8/26/24 22:29, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> CAE Linux 20 (ubuntu).
>
> These disappeared a month ago.
>
> I recently had the same problem and found it fell into another folder.
>
> Like i said, in NecroSmurf, I usually pull up the directory "desktop"
> and find it.
>
> Problem is, this one, I didn't notice it was gone right away, so who knows
> what I did to it on top of misplacing it.
>
> I am probably going to try to recollect that info from scratch,
> though a large chunk is prolly not possible.
>
You sound a bit hesitant to search with a file manager in
text or detail mode. I don't know what file management utility
you may have. I started with Midnight Commander called from
root terminal by "MC" and then discovered Dolphin which is a gui
tool and which I have learned to use well enough for my limited
purposes. Of course before this I used similar tools for similar
purposes on AmigaOS-1.3 - 3.9. Difference was I had to pay for
the excellent shareware took I used for file management.

bliss

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On 8/26/24 7:52 AM, Harold Stevens wrote:
> In <vahkjm$2dnbp$1@dont-email.me> Bobbie:
>
> [Snip...]
>
>> Best to ignore the poster
>
> +1
>
> Like talking to a brick wall. Plonked it months ago.

As much as some around here dislike me ... 'vjp2' is
decidedly a total troll - though kinda sneaky about
doing it, 'quasi-technical' questions that SEEM legit
at first glance.

As for the Linux distro - not all THAT much diff
anymore as to where 'Desktop' is located. If this
was a real prob, well, and I had a Win user who
did this too often, had to increase the time SAMBA
kept backups because of her bad mouse-skills. She
once dragged an ENTIRE share into the Win trash.

MAYbe he just dragged the folder off into some
obscure sub-folder, but ......

A more serious prob I once encountered was accidentally
dragging the ENTIRE desktop off-screen. If "remember
session' was enabled this was kinda a pain in the ass
to fix - the last X/Y being hidden deep down
in a file.

"Hell is other people" - Sartre

On 8/27/24 1:42 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 8/26/24 22:29, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>> CAE Linux 20 (ubuntu).
>>
>> These disappeared a month ago.
>>
>> I recently had the same problem and found it fell into another folder.
>>
>> Like i said, in NecroSmurf, I usually pull up the directory "desktop"
>> and find it.
>>
>> Problem is, this one, I didn't notice it was gone right away, so who
>> knows
>> what I did to it on top of misplacing it.
>>
>> I am probably going to try to recollect that info from scratch,
>> though a large chunk is prolly not possible.
>>
>     You sound a bit hesitant to search with a file manager in
> text or detail mode.  I don't know what file management utility
> you may have.  I started with Midnight Commander called from
> root terminal by "MC" and then discovered Dolphin which is a gui
> tool and which I have learned to use well enough for my limited
> purposes.  Of course before this I used similar tools for similar
> purposes on AmigaOS-1.3 - 3.9.  Difference was I had to pay for
> the excellent shareware took I used for file management.

He's a longstanding TROLL ... gets off on making
earnest competent people WASTE TIME on his fake
issues. An odd fetish.

On 27/08/2024 09:36, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> As for the Linux distro - not all THAT much diff
>   anymore as to where 'Desktop' is located. If this
>   was a real prob, well, and I had a Win user who
>   did this too often, had to increase the time SAMBA
>   kept backups because of her bad mouse-skills. She
>   once dragged an ENTIRE share into the Win trash.

I bui8lt a linux system for an ageing friend. He managed to drag the
*entire* desktop folder into the desktop folder.

So the file tree was /home/usr/Desktop/Desktop/****

I take my hat off to him. Sheer genius

--
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conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:28:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 27/08/2024 09:36, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> As for the Linux distro - not all THAT much diff
>>   anymore as to where 'Desktop' is located. If this
>>   was a real prob, well, and I had a Win user who
>>   did this too often, had to increase the time SAMBA
>>   kept backups because of her bad mouse-skills. She
>>   once dragged an ENTIRE share into the Win trash.
>
> I bui8lt a linux system for an ageing friend. He managed to drag the
> *entire* desktop folder into the desktop folder.
>
> So the file tree was /home/usr/Desktop/Desktop/****
>
> I take my hat off to him. Sheer genius

Drag and drop is perhaps a mistake for people with shaky fingers or
glitchy mice/touchpads.

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote at 09:28 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On 27/08/2024 09:36, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> As for the Linux distro - not all THAT much diff
>>   anymore as to where 'Desktop' is located. If this
>>   was a real prob, well, and I had a Win user who
>>   did this too often, had to increase the time SAMBA
>>   kept backups because of her bad mouse-skills. She
>>   once dragged an ENTIRE share into the Win trash.
>
> I bui8lt a linux system for an ageing friend. He managed to drag the
> *entire* desktop folder into the desktop folder.
>
> So the file tree was /home/usr/Desktop/Desktop/****
>
> I take my hat off to him. Sheer genius

I can do one better:
I somehow messed up so bad once that it created 30 layers of EFI folders
within itself

The path was: /boot/EFI/EFI/EFI/EFI/EFI/EFI/EFI....
Holding down tab to get through all of them, there wasn't anything in
the bottom folder..
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On 8/27/24 5:28 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 27/08/2024 09:36, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> As for the Linux distro - not all THAT much diff
>>    anymore as to where 'Desktop' is located. If this
>>    was a real prob, well, and I had a Win user who
>>    did this too often, had to increase the time SAMBA
>>    kept backups because of her bad mouse-skills. She
>>    once dragged an ENTIRE share into the Win trash.
>
> I bui8lt a linux system for an ageing friend. He managed to drag the
> *entire* desktop folder into the desktop folder.
>
> So the file tree was /home/usr/Desktop/Desktop/****
>
> I take my hat off to him. Sheer genius

Indeed pure genius. GUI file-managers make this all
the easier. Cut tree, paste tree into the same dir.

For all my years doing corp work, it was just *amazing*
how *many* ways users could figure out how to screw
things up :-)

The unsteady-mouse lady was actually highly intelligent
and organized - valuable. However she constantly drank
HUGE coffees all day. I think this got her nerves
over-active and, when in a hurry or distracted, she'd
just make overly-large cut-n-pastes. Anyway, DID have
to revise wastebasket-retention policy JUST to make
sure she couldn't do permanent mass damage. A mere
few days wasn't good enough - she might not need a
particular dir tree for a week or two depending and
then it's "Where did it GO ???!!!".

Similar frustrations with DBs - I'd say up to HALF the
code associated with any prompt was crude 'AI' intended
to detect/flag/fix user errors. SAYS "Date" and they'd
want to put a SS number in there or a date WAY out of
bounds. We had one euro native and she'd unthinkingly
do dates in the euro day-month format instead of the
US month-day. A lot of dates have numbers that are
within bounds either way ... "5/10/" vs "10/5/" so
this was a real pain in the ass and other context
clues had to be examined during the save phase.

On 8/27/24 12:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote at 09:28 this Tuesday (GMT):
>> On 27/08/2024 09:36, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>> As for the Linux distro - not all THAT much diff
>>>   anymore as to where 'Desktop' is located. If this
>>>   was a real prob, well, and I had a Win user who
>>>   did this too often, had to increase the time SAMBA
>>>   kept backups because of her bad mouse-skills. She
>>>   once dragged an ENTIRE share into the Win trash.
>>
>> I bui8lt a linux system for an ageing friend. He managed to drag the
>> *entire* desktop folder into the desktop folder.
>>
>> So the file tree was /home/usr/Desktop/Desktop/****
>>
>> I take my hat off to him. Sheer genius
>
>
> I can do one better:
> I somehow messed up so bad once that it created 30 layers of EFI folders
> within itself
>
> The path was: /boot/EFI/EFI/EFI/EFI/EFI/EFI/EFI....
> Holding down tab to get through all of them, there wasn't anything in
> the bottom folder..

Once saw something much like that, but after a few layers
it was CIRCULAR ... /boot/EFI/EFI/EFI/EFI/boot/EFI/(and so
forth). The GUI file manager could not cope - something
about the way it parsed paths - had to dig in using
terminal utils, one 'cd' at a time.

186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote at 01:29 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 8/27/24 12:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote at 09:28 this Tuesday (GMT):
>>> On 27/08/2024 09:36, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>> As for the Linux distro - not all THAT much diff
>>>>   anymore as to where 'Desktop' is located. If this
>>>>   was a real prob, well, and I had a Win user who
>>>>   did this too often, had to increase the time SAMBA
>>>>   kept backups because of her bad mouse-skills. She
>>>>   once dragged an ENTIRE share into the Win trash.
>>>
>>> I bui8lt a linux system for an ageing friend. He managed to drag the
>>> *entire* desktop folder into the desktop folder.
>>>
>>> So the file tree was /home/usr/Desktop/Desktop/****
>>>
>>> I take my hat off to him. Sheer genius
>>
>>
>> I can do one better:
>> I somehow messed up so bad once that it created 30 layers of EFI folders
>> within itself
>>
>> The path was: /boot/EFI/EFI/EFI/EFI/EFI/EFI/EFI....
>> Holding down tab to get through all of them, there wasn't anything in
>> the bottom folder..
>
> Once saw something much like that, but after a few layers
> it was CIRCULAR ... /boot/EFI/EFI/EFI/EFI/boot/EFI/(and so
> forth). The GUI file manager could not cope - something
> about the way it parsed paths - had to dig in using
> terminal utils, one 'cd' at a time.

Yeah, same with nautilus. Had to use the terminal bc it kept slowing
down on the GUI.
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:28:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I bui8lt a linux system for an ageing friend. He managed to drag the
> *entire* desktop folder into the desktop folder.
>
> So the file tree was /home/usr/Desktop/Desktop/****

ldo@theon:~> mv Desktop/ Desktop/
mv: cannot move 'Desktop/' to a subdirectory of itself, 'Desktop/Desktop'

In other words, your friend can’t have moved a directory into itself
(that would create infinite recursion anyway), he somehow managed to
point the “desktop folder” at ~/Desktop/Desktop instead of just
~/Desktop. That is certainly doable.

On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 21:21:09 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Indeed pure genius. GUI file-managers make this all
> the easier. Cut tree, paste tree into the same dir.

GUI or no GUI, the kernel won’t let you move a directory into itself.

On 8/29/24 11:03 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 21:21:09 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> Indeed pure genius. GUI file-managers make this all
>> the easier. Cut tree, paste tree into the same dir.
>
> GUI or no GUI, the kernel won’t let you move a directory into itself.

Yet SOMEHOW it gets done - seen it ... must be certain things
that fool the kernel's logic. The flakier the user the more
likely they'd do something totally off the wall, something
no savvy developer would imagine. Sometimes, the more you
know a system, well, it creates certain *assumptions* that
others do as well.

There's a great old cartoon of a prof with a board
full of exotic math equations. He turns to the audience
and says "So, OBVIOUSLY ..." :-)

I've seen that joke echoed in a few films, usually
when the protagonists invite the 'scientific advisor'
into a big meeting. One of the 'Pacific Rim' films ?

Ah, just did an experiment. Copy Desktop to an NFS/SAMBA
share - a 'backup'. THEN you can copy/paste that into your
real Desktop dir and get /Desktop/Desktop/ ! Used pcmanfm.
Might also work if you backup into some other local dir
and then back again. The source/dest paths are a little
different so it doesn't trigger the kernel logic.

Real world, users may copy stuff to shares or such all
the time, then drag 'em back As Needed - but not
necessarily EXACTLY to the right place.

NOT sure how to create the 'circular' deep-paths
thing I'd seen a couple of times. I *think* it
was Kerio Connect mailserver that did 'em but
not 100% sure.

On 2024-08-27, Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:28:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 27/08/2024 09:36, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>> As for the Linux distro - not all THAT much diff
>>>   anymore as to where 'Desktop' is located. If this
>>>   was a real prob, well, and I had a Win user who
>>>   did this too often, had to increase the time SAMBA
>>>   kept backups because of her bad mouse-skills. She
>>>   once dragged an ENTIRE share into the Win trash.
>>
>> I bui8lt a linux system for an ageing friend. He managed to drag the
>> *entire* desktop folder into the desktop folder.
>>
>> So the file tree was /home/usr/Desktop/Desktop/****
>>
>> I take my hat off to him. Sheer genius
>
> Drag and drop is perhaps a mistake for people with shaky fingers or
> glitchy mice/touchpads.

IMHO drag and drop is a mistake for anyone. It's too risky.
Even for the most experienced users, shit happens.

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On 2024-08-28, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:

> Similar frustrations with DBs - I'd say up to HALF the
> code associated with any prompt was crude 'AI' intended
> to detect/flag/fix user errors. SAYS "Date" and they'd
> want to put a SS number in there or a date WAY out of
> bounds. We had one euro native and she'd unthinkingly
> do dates in the euro day-month format instead of the
> US month-day. A lot of dates have numbers that are
> within bounds either way ... "5/10/" vs "10/5/" so
> this was a real pain in the ass and other context
> clues had to be examined during the save phase.

It's time all user interfaces insisted on ISO 8601 dates.
I first realized over 50 years ago that year-month-day
is the only reasonable date format. It sorts better,
and it's less likely to trigger the month/day vs. day/month
confusion.

I agree that all data entry code should incorporate
brutally thorough validation routines.

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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | first society that wouldn't save
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | itself because it wasn't cost-
/ \ if you read it the right way. | effective. -- Kurt Vonnegut

On 30/08/2024 21:32, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> I agree that all data entry code should incorporate
> brutally thorough validation routines.

The sort that allows you to crate a username and password with special
characters that you cannot then log in with.

--
I would rather have questions that cannot be answered...
....than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman

On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 02:16:14 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 8/29/24 11:03 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 21:21:09 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed pure genius. GUI file-managers make this all
>>> the easier. Cut tree, paste tree into the same dir.
>>
>> GUI or no GUI, the kernel won’t let you move a directory into itself.
>
> Yet SOMEHOW it gets done - seen it ... must be certain things
> that fool the kernel's logic.

Not a chance.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 20:32:13 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> It's time all user interfaces insisted on ISO 8601 dates.
> I first realized over 50 years ago that year-month-day
> is the only reasonable date format. It sorts better,
> and it's less likely to trigger the month/day vs. day/month
> confusion.

The entire nation of Japan agrees with you.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 21:21:09 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
> > Indeed pure genius. GUI file-managers make this all
> > the easier. Cut tree, paste tree into the same dir.
>
> GUI or no GUI, the kernel won’t let you move a directory into itself.
--

No Matter Who You Vote For The Government Always Gets In.

On 2024-08-30, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

>
> It's time all user interfaces insisted on ISO 8601 dates.
> I first realized over 50 years ago that year-month-day
> is the only reasonable date format. It sorts better,
> and it's less likely to trigger the month/day vs. day/month
> confusion.
>
> I agree that all data entry code should incorporate
> brutally thorough validation routines.

There's now apparently a trend in UIs to go with morphing different
formats, based on how recently something happened.

My 2c are: either make that a note next to the proper timestamp (that
one in a consistent format), or show only the proper timestamp. I rarely
want the "how many seconds/minutes ago was this" information in a
time-of-event field, and when I want it, I'll have much less trouble
computing it from, say, YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS in UTC.

Even if you put the proper timestamp as a tooltip, my 2c are that it
should be the other way around. Make "X minutes ago" the tooltip.

--
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Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-08-30, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>>
>> It's time all user interfaces insisted on ISO 8601 dates.
>> I first realized over 50 years ago that year-month-day
>> is the only reasonable date format. It sorts better,
>> and it's less likely to trigger the month/day vs. day/month
>> confusion.
>>
>> I agree that all data entry code should incorporate
>> brutally thorough validation routines.
>
> There's now apparently a trend in UIs to go with morphing different
> formats, based on how recently something happened.
>
> My 2c are: either make that a note next to the proper timestamp (that
> one in a consistent format), or show only the proper timestamp. I rarely
> want the "how many seconds/minutes ago was this" information in a
> time-of-event field, and when I want it, I'll have much less trouble
> computing it from, say, YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS in UTC.
>
> Even if you put the proper timestamp as a tooltip, my 2c are that it
> should be the other way around. Make "X minutes ago" the tooltip.

Yes, this groupie /trend/ is horrible. eBay did this for auction end
times somewhere around 1.5 or so years ago. All auctions were shown
as:

Ends in 47 minutes

And, worse, for auctions that ended a few days away, it 'rounded up' to
just "Ends in 5 days" -- with no idea /when/ on the 5th day it ended.

I complained at them via their feedback links (and I suspect lots of
others did too) because very soon after leaving feedback the auctions
changed to:

Ends in 5 days Sunday 11:23pm

So whatever designer had made the change to "ends in 5 days" got to
take credit on their yearly accomplishments for the "relative times"
(although, preferably, they should have been fired instead) and
everyone who wanted to know the exact point in time (i.e., everyone
actually using ebay) got to know when to set their own alarm reminders
(outside ebay) to check on the current bid price.

With how soon the exact point display returned, either they were
already making the change, or more likely there were thousands if not
millions of feedback items saying "bring back the exact end time".

This of course is exactly the problem with companies that employ
"designers" who don't also "dog-food". They must make changes lest the
finance folks start asking why we are paying their salaries and not
receiving anything in return, and as nearly all don't ever use the item
they are designing for, they don't see the idiot mistakes they make
with their changes.