On 2024-08-01 3:40 p.m., Bobbie Sellers wrote:

>     May for his class of American it would be a disaster especially if
> Harris is able to move the Biden Tax Reforms onward.  The bid disaster
> that might happen is if a Republican Senator said before Barack
> Obama did anything but be sworn in that this person must be a one
> term President and yet he got two terms because the people saw that
> the right wing in the Congress and Senate obstructe his reforms but
> he still got a crippled Health Care bill through the Congress.

And people who had private insurance saw the cost of their benefits
increase and their coverage decrease. Brilliant play by the Marxist Obama.

>> Econmists tend to believe that Trump's stated policies will increase
>> inflation,
>> if not cause a recession.
>>
>     Trump's policies plus Project 2025 will result in a Fascistic
> America ruled by theocrats who general have failed to read the bible.
> Otherwise they would know that it condones abortion and that Transgender
> people are mentioned as "those who become Eunuches for the sake of God."

Please provide cites showing the the Bible condones abortion. Then, feel
free to explain how a person who mutilates himself to remove all sexual
urges and dedicate himself to God is similar to a person who mutilates
himself because he believes himself to be a different gender and
constantly needs to remind you of that fact as well as what turns him on.

If I haven't said this before, you are a ridiculous cretin. However, I
still want those cites.

>     I went to 3 different Protestant churches and one Catholic
> High School where antisemitic preaching was an event held in the
> Gym.  I am neither an atheist nor an agnostic but it was not due
> to anything I was taught in those religious places.

How strange that a faith which acknowledges that Jews played the
strongest part in killing their Messiah might hold a grudge against Jews.

If you don't mind, I need to say this: you are a ridiculous cretin.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On 2024-08-01 3:56 p.m., Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 8/1/24 08:17, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>> royalties:
>>
>>> On 01/08/2024 11:50, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>>>> royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On 31/07/2024 21:16, D wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <who cares?>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <k00ksnip>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that races is not such a foregone conclusion. Trump V Biden
>>>>> was
>>>>> the least worst., Trump V Harris is much more a devil and the deep
>>>>> blue sea.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kamala will be a disaster for America,
>>>>
>>>>     :-D
>>>>
>>>>> Trump might be a disaster for
>>>>> Europe and the rest of the free world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which ultimately is bad news for the USA as well.
>>>>
>>>> Econmists tend to believe that Trump's stated policies will increase
>>>> inflation,
>>>> if not cause a recession.
>>>
>>> Economists are all closet communists who believe in state control, not
>>> the free market Otherwise they lose their jobs and status
>>
>> You mean like Alan Greenspan?  :-D
>>
>     Well you have the stomach for the RWNJ that i do not.
> Inflation has been caused by the long term Trickle Down polices
> endorsed by the Republicans and the failure to tax the beneficiaries
> of War and Economic Crisis at the proper rates.

Here is an article with a chart of inflation since 1775.
<https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-brief-history-of-u-s-inflation-since-1775-1450115182>

Amazing that those Republican Tricke Down policies have been around for
so long without anyone doing anything about them!

Again, you are a ridiculous cretin.

> Poor folks die
> in wars and wealthy people profit, as they did in 2008 and in
> in the Covid-19 restrictions.

My wife is the director of underwriting of two monolines. She
understands the 2008 crash better than you ever would, especially given
your very limited intelligence. I ask you: why did people with an income
of say $30,000 yearly seek to buy themselves a million-dollar house
prior to the crash? Did "the wealthy" go door-to-door offering people
living in apartments infested with cockroaches these mortgages or did
the poor submit applications? Also, to which party was Bill Clinton
affiliated when he got rid of Glass-Steagall which would have prevented
these morons from being accepted?

While you're at it, let me know how many wars the Democrats have gotten
the Americans out of while they were in power. I'm sure Marxists like
Obama did everything to get rid of things like the Islamic State by
refusing to alert them in advance of American bombing plans
<https://www.vox.com/2014/9/23/6833051/bombing-obama-isis-syria> or
supplying them with munitions
<https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/politics/amnesty-international-isis-weapons-u-s-/index.html>.

It must have been a fluke that Trump got rid of the organization so quickly!

>  If it hurts the poor the rich
> are generally raking it in. This goes back to JFK, a rich
> Democrat, cutting the taxes on the wealthy, aka his set and
> continued thru Reagan, Bush I and Bush II and hopefully
> ending with Trump 45.
>     The billionaires of today are fearful of a Wealth Tax
> which might get more money back into circulation among the
> least well-compensated who generally do jobs in the food and
> hospitality industries.

They're not fearful because they will simply leave the country and
settle in one where their capital will be valued. There is nothing tying
them to the continent. If Americans don't want the jobs they create or
the goods they produce, they will sell them elsewhere.

>     But the un-Natural Philospher is just a mindless
> repeater of slurs, otherwise he would be paying attention
> to real science and demanding more electric cars for the
> sake of reducing climate changing emmissions.

You mean cars that run on batteries whose production leaves a massive
carbon footprint
<https://www.industryweek.com/technology-and-iiot/article/22026518/lithium-batteries-dirty-secret-manufacturing-them-leaves-massive-carbon-footprint>,
which are only recycled at a rate of 1%
<https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/04/lithium-costs-a-lot-of-money-so-why-arent-we-recycling-lithium-batteries/>,
which spontaneous combust "rarely"
<https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lithium-ion-battery-fires-electric-cars-bikes-scooters-firefighters/>
and which are 79% less reliable than gas cars
<https://www.consumerreports.org/media-room/press-releases/2023/11/electric-vehicles-are-improving-but-charging-and-battery-issues-persist-in-consumer-reports-2023-annual-auto-reliability-survey/?msockid=287d4f79ae8b60c3236c5bb1afb0613d>.

Once again, you are a ridiculous cretin.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On 02/08/2024 12:21, D wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 31/07/2024 21:11, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>>> By the very nature of them being unanswerable, the connection
>>>>> between them and the world is nil.
>>>>
>>>> Completely wrong.
>>>> Consider the statement 'everything is caused by some other things'
>>>
>>> Already here we go wrong. Since we do not know _everything_, that
>>> statement makes no sense.
>>>
>>> Let me instead focus on the question, can we prove causation. I offer
>>> the following:
>>>
>>> Randomized Controlled Trials (RCTs): The gold standard for proving
>>> causation is through randomized controlled experiments. In an RCT,
>>> participants are randomly assigned to either a treatment group or a
>>> control group. This randomization helps ensure that any differences in
>>> outcomes can be attributed solely to the treatment being tested, thus
>>> providing strong evidence for causality.
>>>
>>> Observational Studies with Instrumental Variables: When RCTs are not
>>> feasible, researchers often rely on observational studies. Here,
>>> identifying instrumental variables—factors that influence the treatment
>>> but do not directly affect the outcome—can help establish causal
>>> relationships. For example, if a new policy is implemented at a specific
>>> time affecting only certain groups, comparing outcomes before and after
>>> can provide insights into causal effects.
>>
>> They prove nothing.
>>
>> Other than causality seems to  work.
>
> Of course they prove it. It seems your ideas and mine are so far apart,
> that the meaning of proof and what we are talking about is not the same.
> Therefore this discussion will become meaningless.
>
>>>>
>>>> This assumption cannot be proved to be true. It is a metaphysical
>>>> statement, and yet it is the basis for all classical science.
>>>
>>> I already disagreed with your sentence, and offered 2 ways in which we
>>> can prove causation.
>>
>> They are both faux ways.
>> They prove nothing
>
> No, that's proof. If you cannot accept it, you are in solipsist and
> terminal skepticist land, and it is meaningless to discuss this topic
> with you.
>
>>>
>>>>> We have hypothesis and experiment that tells
>>>>> us there is an external world which such certainty, that the burden
>>>>> of proof is on the one who does not believe in the external world,
>>>>> to disprove the external world, and no one has so far succeeded at
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Irrelevant in this context. An external world is a simple way to
>>>> explain our lack of total freedom to be what we want and experience
>>>> what we want. Doesnt mean its true, juts means its a very good and
>>>> useful explanation.
>>>
>>> If you do not accept it, then you have the burden of proof. Prove to me
>>> an alternative to the external world, and I'll gladly read this first
>>> break through in philosophy since it began.
>>>
>> here you go again with 'proof'
>> There is no proof of anything in metaphsyics. Proof is impossible with
>> inductive logic.
>> Only deductive logic can prove that given a set of assumptins, certain
>> results are inevitably true.
>>
>> That never however validates those assumptions.
>>
>> Ith indictoive logic, There are only models that work, and models that
>> don't.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Meanwhlie, in terms of the external world, let me present you to G.E.
>>> Moore and the "hand".
>>>
>>> The argument takes the following form:
>>>
>>> Here is one hand,
>>> And here is another.
>>> There are at least two external objects in the world.
>>> Therefore, an external world exists.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_is_one_hand .
>>>
>>
>> Again its trite and misses the actual point.
>>
>> You are hung up on the classic idealism/realism debate. Things moved
>> on with Kant.
>>
>> The problem is neither the scientists or the woke crowd moved in with
>> him.
>
> No. You are the one stuck in the idealist camp. Do note that a vast
> majority of philosophy ph.d. support the fact that an external world
> exist and that science is the best way to obtain knowledge about it.
>

No, the support the hypothesis.
Again you innate stupidity has prevented you from grasping the fine
distinction between and ad hoc theory, and fact, and between 'it works'
and 'its true'

> I will not stop this conversation, since it is meaningless to talk about
> this with you.
>
> The paper if you are interested is What Do Philosophers Believe? by David
> Bourget and David J. Chalmers.

The problem is that you are just stuck in the materialists camp and are
in denial that it might not be the be all and end all of everything

Philosophers - real philosophers - don't do 'believe'

The examine other peoples , dispassionately
The fact that you think they have 'beliefs' tells me all I need to know
about the mature of your mind

--
It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house
for the voice of the kingdom.

Jonathan Swift

On 2024-08-01 9:36 p.m., Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 8/1/24 15:48, Joel wrote:
>> Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>>
>>>     I went to 3 different Protestant churches and one Catholic
>>> High School where antisemitic preaching was an event held in the
>>> Gym.  I am neither an atheist nor an agnostic but it was not due
>>> to anything I was taught in those religious places.
>>
>>
>> Maybe it was due to yours truly being in alt.drugs.psychedelics!
>>
>
>     No it is due to dreams. I had one after my mother was murdered
> and another after my dear friend was killed in an automobile accident.

Feel free to tell us who the culprit was, and try not to lie.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On 2024-08-02 7:35 a.m., chrisv wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> The civilisation that takes over the world will do it using nuclear
>> power and hydrocarbon fuels, and all the 'Green' nations will be
>> colonised and enslaved by them
>
> That's China's plan. Once they have Taiwan back, we'll be completely
> at their mercy.

Good point. Taking Taiwan would result in them not only having control
of the area of the world where most technology is produced, but China
would inevitably acquire designs for technology they haven't yet been
able to reverse engineer.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On 8/2/24 04:48, D wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 01/08/2024 20:56, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>   But the un-Natural Philospher is just a mindless
>>> repeater of slurs, otherwise he would be paying attention
>>> to real science and demanding more electric cars for the
>>> sake of reducing climate changing emmissions.
>>
>> No. as a true engineer I am aware that electric cars will not reduce
>> emissions one iota, *overall* and that carbon dioxide emissions are a
>> minor problem compared with trying to run a civilisation off windmills
>> and solar panels, as people like you will see if they continue to try
>> and do it.

Why do you deniers leave out batteries. I do not mean the little ones
in flashlites and so forth but the ones as big as
boxcars lined up in rows to number in the 100s.

Are you paid to ignore the Truth of Global Warming?
If we do not discover ways to reduce carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere civilization of any sort may not survive as the people
remaining alive will have to stuggle not only against the Heat,
but their fellow surviors for resouces, mainly food and water.

>
> This is the truth! If anyone here wants to look at the environmental
> impact of EV:s, a pro tip is to look at the entire life cycle from mine
> to parking lot to scrap heap.
>
> Add to that the fact that the source of the electricity is frequently
> ignored, and, that we have no good answer (yet) to large scale battery
> recycling.
>
> Another factor, is more soft, but that is the financial loss due to
> shorter range, longer charging times, and of course the expansion of the
> power grid and generation, if society as a whole would move to electric,
> which in europe (at least) is not feasible at the moment.

Costs? Global warming from Fossil Fuel misuse is now costing
about $800,000,000 a year. If spent on preparation such as the new
power lines that would be wonderful.
>
> When it comes to wind mills and solar, it is not the answer, due to our
> current ability to store energy cheap, for a long time, is not near enough.
>
> It can be added as a complement, but basing countries on it, will lead
> to brown outs and black outs.
>
>> Ultimately the mindless repeating of slurs like 'climate denier' is
>> coming from the anti- science political climate alarmist Marxists, not
>> from scientists
>
> As long as the term Climate denier persists, we have a clear signal that
> the green camp has no intention to listen to facts and science. It is a
> cheap shot aimed at connecting rational beings who are not hysterics,
> with holocaust deniers. I find the term revolting, and it does not make
> for good discussion.

When you deny the negative effects of Global Heating which is
already killing many people, coral reefs which are ecosystem bases for
the things we take from the Oceans to eat.
>
> Eco-fascism is a control tool, which is built like the medieval church
> with the intent of making the population hand over all power to
> eco-priests (politicians and corrupt scientists). Only they will allow
> you to attone for your sins by higher taxes and a medieval lifestyle,
> while they still travel with private jet.

I don't know about the people you describe. They may or may
not exist but I think you are pimping for the Fossil Fuel industry.

>
>> The civilization that takes over the world will do it using nuclear
>> power and hydrocarbon fuels, and all the 'Green' nations will be
>> colonised and enslaved by them

What a paranoid dream.
>
> Let's hope for this result. When ideology and reality clash, sooner or
> later (hopefully sooner) reality wins as all marxist and socialist
> countries eventually find out.

Funny that Norway, Sweden and Denmark seem to be doing Ok. Of
course, those social regimes ,making sure citizens have access to good
health care and education have not been around very long but they seem
to be keeping up with and ahead of most Capitalist nations where poor
folks have to struggle to survive.

Tell me how many hours a day do you spend standing on your
head to see the World from such a backward perspective.

--
b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com

On 8/1/24 18:48, geodandw wrote:
> On 8/1/24 21:36, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 8/1/24 15:48, Joel wrote:
>>> Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>     I went to 3 different Protestant churches and one Catholic
>>>> High School where antisemitic preaching was an event held in the
>>>> Gym.  I am neither an atheist nor an agnostic but it was not due
>>>> to anything I was taught in those religious places.
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe it was due to yours truly being in alt.drugs.psychedelics!
>>>
>>
>>      No it is due to dreams. I had one after my mother was murdered
>> and another after my dear friend was killed in an automobile accident.
>> Those two dreams are why I maintain an open mind on questions releted
>> to souls and spirits including the question of the Big Guy.
>>
>>      I will say that most of the speculations found in theology
>> is nothing if not blasphemy or simply irelevant nonsense.
>>
>>      The creator of the vast Universe in which we are lucky
>> enough to be conscious beings is obviously beyond human ken. Actually
>> the process of creation is quite obscure and we still are unaware
>> of the of the true nature of the Universe. But to me it resembles
>> the Natural processes in which thousands of offspring are created
>> in order that a species may continue.  However the underlying laws
>> in our reality seem to indicate some possible planning in order
>> to attain bio-chemical life.  But the main matter permitting
>> the evolution from inert matter to bomb-making idiocy is
>> duration and a touch of chaos.
>>
>>      bliss
>>
> What makes you think there is a creator?

The universe and its subte connection at the level of
sub-nuclear particles which happen to play out in the chemistry
of everything including life and consciousness. Was it planned
or was it Chance? If it was planned then good if not then
Bona Fortuna.
bliss

--
b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com

On 8/2/24 04:32, D wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> On 2024-08-01 6:50 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>>> royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 31/07/2024 21:16, D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <who cares?>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <k00ksnip>
>>>>
>>>> I think that races is not such a foregone conclusion. Trump V Biden was
>>>> the least worst., Trump V Harris is much more a devil and the deep
>>>> blue sea.
>>>>
>>>> Kamala will be a disaster for America,
>>>
>>>    :-D
>>>
>>>> Trump might be a disaster for
>>>> Europe and the rest of the free world.
>>>>
>>>> Which ultimately is bad news for the USA as well.
>>>
>>> Econmists tend to believe that Trump's stated policies will increase
>>> inflation,
>>> if not cause a recession.
>>
>> Economists also believe that there are no negative repercussions to
>> Keynesian economics and believed that there was no reason to worry
>> about banks in 2008.
>>
>
> It is also possible to check inflation during Trumps last tenure and
> Sleepy Joes. I think it should be pretty obvious who's politics leads to
> a stable and prosperous economy, not propped up by fake public sector jobs.

Yes well Biden did not give tax breaks to people who wanted to
buy yachts with the refund checks. Trump did and it was
apparent that a period of inflation would be at hand.

Also there is wold wide inflation due to Covid-19 and the
Russian War on the Ukrainian State. Because of that war food supplies
to the poorest nations in the world are reduced and the price of
wheat and other grains is driven up. When the prices of the basic
food stuffs for many and beast are driven up increased prices are the
result.

Now which fake public jobs are you talking about? Surely not
the infrastructure projects that the Trump folks talked about and which
Honest Joe Biden managed to enact despite not being in control of both
houses of Congress.

Now if the Trump tax cuts sunset as they are supposed to do this
year we will be much better off and if Joe can pass higher taxes for
the higher earners then we might solve a lot of looming problems. It
seems that Joe solved another when he gave up on running the campaign
against Lying Donold and put Exuberant Kamala up for candidacy.
Lotus for POTUS!
bliss

--
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On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 07:47:52 -0700
Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

> On 8/2/24 04:48, D wrote:
> >
> >> No. as a true engineer I am aware that electric cars will not reduce
> >> emissions one iota, *overall* and that carbon dioxide emissions are a
> >> minor problem compared with trying to run a civilisation off windmills
> >> and solar panels, as people like you will see if they continue to try
> >> and do it.
>
> Why do you deniers leave out batteries. I do not mean the little
> ones in flashlites and so forth but the ones as big as
> boxcars lined up in rows to number in the 100s.

To say nothing of Vanadium and Iron chemistry flow batteries which
are good for long term energy storage (zero self discharge). These things
*only* exist at grid scale.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

On 2024-08-02, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> No. as a true engineer I am aware that electric cars will not reduce
>> emissions one iota, *overall* and that carbon dioxide emissions are a minor
>> problem compared with trying to run a civilisation off windmills and solar
>> panels, as people like you will see if they continue to try and do it.
>
> This is the truth!

I switch off when people pronounce glibly that they KNOW THE TRUTH!
You really are cock sure aren't you? The world is far more nuanced.

On 2024-08-02 10:47 a.m., Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 8/2/24 04:48, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/08/2024 20:56, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>   But the un-Natural Philospher is just a mindless
>>>> repeater of slurs, otherwise he would be paying attention
>>>> to real science and demanding more electric cars for the
>>>> sake of reducing climate changing emmissions.
>>>
>>> No. as a true engineer I am aware that electric cars will not reduce
>>> emissions one iota, *overall* and that carbon dioxide emissions are a
>>> minor problem compared with trying to run a civilisation off
>>> windmills and solar panels, as people like you will see if they
>>> continue to try and do it.
>
>     Why do you deniers leave out batteries.  I do not mean the little
> ones in flashlites and so forth but the ones as big as
> boxcars lined up in rows to number in the 100s.
>
>     Are you paid to ignore the Truth of Global Warming?

Which there is no evidence for, at least not objective evidence. You can
get consensus for anything if you take five-hundred of them and then
select those hundred who agree with you.

>     If we do not discover ways to reduce carbon dioxide in the
> atmosphere civilization of any sort may not survive as the people
> remaining alive will have to stuggle not only against the Heat,
> but their fellow surviors for resouces, mainly food and water.

Bill Gates is already working on it and it involves you taking a vaccine
which will accelerate your death. Klaus Schwab has another solution
which has you eating bugs. Neither has been shown to reduce carbon
dioxide but them's the solutions anyway.

>> This is the truth! If anyone here wants to look at the environmental
>> impact of EV:s, a pro tip is to look at the entire life cycle from
>> mine to parking lot to scrap heap.
>>
>> Add to that the fact that the source of the electricity is frequently
>> ignored, and, that we have no good answer (yet) to large scale battery
>> recycling.
>>
>> Another factor, is more soft, but that is the financial loss due to
>> shorter range, longer charging times, and of course the expansion of
>> the power grid and generation, if society as a whole would move to
>> electric, which in europe (at least) is not feasible at the moment.
>
>     Costs?  Global warming from Fossil Fuel misuse is now costing
> about $800,000,000 a year.  If spent on preparation such as the new
> power lines that would be wonderful.

Power lines aren't the problem, you ridiculous cretin. Power
_production_ is the problem. There is no shortage of videos of electric
cars owners lined up to the few charging stations that work because not
only is there not enough electricity being produced there (because we
had to close coal factories after all), the stations themselves cease to
work and nobody is ever around to fix them. Why go to a gas station
though and fill up your car in five minutes when you can wait a few
hours just to get to a charging station and then the minimum half-hour
it takes to 80%. right?

You hippîes should have been imprisoned and starved to death.

>> When it comes to wind mills and solar, it is not the answer, due to
>> our current ability to store energy cheap, for a long time, is not
>> near enough.
>>
>> It can be added as a complement, but basing countries on it, will lead
>> to brown outs and black outs.
>>
>>> Ultimately the mindless repeating of slurs like 'climate denier' is
>>> coming from the anti- science political climate alarmist Marxists,
>>> not from scientists
>>
>> As long as the term Climate denier persists, we have a clear signal
>> that the green camp has no intention to listen to facts and science.
>> It is a cheap shot aimed at connecting rational beings who are not
>> hysterics, with holocaust deniers. I find the term revolting, and it
>> does not make for good discussion.
>
>     When you deny the negative effects of Global Heating which is
> already killing many people, coral reefs which are ecosystem bases for
> the things we take from the Oceans to eat.

Do what the people who pushed this garbage on you haven't and _prove_ it.

>> Eco-fascism is a control tool, which is built like the medieval church
>> with the intent of making the population hand over all power to
>> eco-priests (politicians and corrupt scientists). Only they will allow
>> you to attone for your sins by higher taxes and a medieval lifestyle,
>> while they still travel with private jet.
>
>     I don't know about the people you describe.  They may or may
> not exist but I think you are pimping for the Fossil Fuel industry.

Yes, those of us who realize the pitfalls of an electric vehicle and the
convenience of a gas-powered engine are all pimping for the industry.
Because there would be no other reason for us to prefer an inexpensive,
reliable car for which there is already a network of stations that allow
us to fuel up in mere minutes and repair them at a low cost. We must be
getting paid, you ridiculous cretin.

>> Let's hope for this result. When ideology and reality clash, sooner or
>> later (hopefully sooner) reality wins as all marxist and socialist
>> countries eventually find out.
>
>     Funny that Norway, Sweden and Denmark seem to be doing Ok.  Of
> course, those social regimes ,making sure citizens have access to good
> health care and education have not been around very long but they seem
> to be keeping up with and ahead of most Capitalist nations where poor
> folks have to struggle to survive.
>
>     Tell me how many hours a day do you spend standing on your
> head to see the World from such a backward perspective.

Gee, I wonder whether this article will end up being inconvenient to
you:
<https://www.euronews.com/business/2024/04/11/volkswagen-electric-car-sales-plunge-why-are-europeans-returning-to-petrol>

Or this one... the people don't seem to think too highly of the electric
cars: <https://www.bbc.com/news/business-69022771>
<https://www.ft.com/content/49886479-7312-43f5-a190-94d7586738f7>

You hippy clowns love to live in a world of fantasy. Those of us who
still have a grasp of reality prefer gas-powered engines.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 12:57:36 -0400
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

> Power lines aren't the problem, you ridiculous cretin. Power
> _production_ is the problem. There is no shortage of videos of electric
> cars owners lined up to the few charging stations that work because not
> only is there not enough electricity being produced there (because we
> had to close coal factories after all), the stations themselves cease to
> work and nobody is ever around to fix them.

I'm trying to keep out of this but Oh boy that is priceless
garbage! Most EV owners charge at home overnight taking advantage of the
times when the grid is underutiliosed and electricity is cheap.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

On 2024-08-02 1:50 p.m., Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 12:57:36 -0400
> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>
>> Power lines aren't the problem, you ridiculous cretin. Power
>> _production_ is the problem. There is no shortage of videos of electric
>> cars owners lined up to the few charging stations that work because not
>> only is there not enough electricity being produced there (because we
>> had to close coal factories after all), the stations themselves cease to
>> work and nobody is ever around to fix them.
>
> I'm trying to keep out of this but Oh boy that is priceless
> garbage! Most EV owners charge at home overnight taking advantage of the
> times when the grid is underutiliosed and electricity is cheap.

And what do you do when you're on a road trip, pray tell? Do you drive
as many kilometres you can, come back home to charge, drive the same
kilometres and come back home to charge? Or do you use a charging station?

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On 8/2/24 7:41 AM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> On 7/28/24 5:18 AM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 28 Jul 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Been using XFCE for many years and am very happy with it. When it
>>>>> comes to distributions without a woke or socialist code of conduct
>>>>> I've found the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> OpenBSD by far the best in terms of refusing to have one and
>>>>> focusing on shut up and code.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  The BSDs are good ... Open maybe more good. Alas their
>>>>  drivers may not be very up to date and I think SAMBA
>>>>  is still stuck on v1.
>>>
>>> That's what happens with a smaller community. Fortunately for me, I tend
>>> to work in linux only environments, and don't use smb at home either, so
>>> personally that is not a problem. =)
>>
> ...
>>  But, for a terminal/ssh-only file/mail/whatever server,
>>  OpenBSD is probably your safest option at the moment.
>
> Yes... the more crazy the linux world is becoming, the more I am leaning
> towards OpenBSD. I wouldn't be surprised if I actually did base my
> company servers on openbsd in the end. It seems robust, small and well
> thought out.

For "serious" servers - this is my current rec.

Linux is, or can be, great but it's in too-rapid
flux at the moment - with eye-candy and such
becoming the major priorities.

Oh, and Linus isn't young anymore. He has been
the glue holding the system kernel intact and
consistent. Before the last of the good Linux
mags disappeared there were columns from those
in his close orbit relating combat over many
'improvements' that would basically trash a
lot of what is, corrupt the logic of the system.

Once Linus exits .....

>>>>> Then you have debian and free and netbsd, I think they are kind of
>>>>> alright.
>>>>
>>>>  Deb WAS great - until WORM. I think they hired some
>>>>  Canonical rejects ... now POINTLESS complications and
>>>>  changes and abandonment of LONG-standing Linux norms
>>>>  for a lot of stuff. Went to Manjaro because of it.
>>>
>>> What happened? I use bookworm on my kodi tv computer and haven't noticed
>>> anything out of the ordinary. On the other hand, it is not my work
>>> platform, so I haven't looked that closely.
>>
>>  Let's see ... I do a lot with security cams, but the
>>  /dev/video devices constantly switch all around. That
>>  was just the start. The networking setup went all
>>  wonky too ... I actually had to post where the new
>>  files were and some ez templates for those who used
>>  it without a GUI. The CLI utility SUCKS. A surprising
>>  number of people here do NOT add a GUI, esp for Pi
>>  implementations. Anyway, a bunch of very annoying
>>  little things - so I've just DUMPED Deb. Hoping for
>>  an "original fork" distro - kinda Devuian+ - soon.
>>  Just NOT gonna waste any more time with it.
>
> Interesting. Thank you very much for the review.

This was MY experience with OS aspects *I* tend to
use a lot. Other people with other aims may not see
much in the way of problems.

But I see serious problems ... and I'm too old now
to waste lots of time trying to find sneaky ways
around them that will disappear with the next
update, or reboot.

A longstanding goodness of Linux was its relative
simplicity - straight-up code and structure for
common needs. This seems to be disappearing in
favor of trying to become Winders.

>>>>> Slackware and Artix I think are also distributions without too much
>>>>> CoC bullsh*t.
>>>>
>>>>  'Artix' or 'Antix" ??? Antix is super-simple - which
>>>>  CAN be good. Antix IS writ by very depressive communist
>>>>  Greeks alas ...... MX is an improvement.
>>>
>>> Artix. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artix_Linux .
>>>
>>>>> You probably also have seen that Lunduke wants to start his own
>>>>> distribution with CoC b.s. so that could be promising as well! =)
>>>>
>>>>  What's that gonna do - "correct" your pronouns by
>>>>  default/mandate or something ? Wouldn't put it
>>>>  past 'em .....
>>>
>>> YES!
>>>
>>>>  Operating systems are SUPPOSED to be about pure
>>>>  function. No politics or neo-sociology.
>>>
>>> Jokes aside, that is his idea as far as I understand it. A distribution
>>> that focuses on the technology and not the woke B.S.
>>
>>  Let us hope.
>
> We can only pray!

Oh Great And Terrible Lord Siliconus .... :-)

>>  Though that all might be banned if Harris and
>>  friends gain control ... thou SHALL adhere to
>>  the approved groupthink .....
>
> That could definitely be true. In europe, many socialist countries like
> sweden, are using nudgeing to teach people to become more socialist and
> companies too. For instance, there are legal requirements that you must
> have a gender plan, a "green" plan etc. and if you do not have it, you
> are banned from doing business with the public sector.

Much of the EU is decidedly more into enforced
official groupthink. You can see that in the
news almost every day. Anyone a centimeter
outside the 'official' reality is a 'terrorist'
or 'far-right extremist' or 'thug'. Oddly it
was the far-LEFT extemists who sabotaged French
systems last week .........

> Also, in order to get government money as a non-profit, you have to
> conform with democratic principles, which of course in europe means,
> woke:ism as well.
>
>>  I want a Linux that sticks VERY close to the
>>  systems you could get a decade+ ago ... the
>>  ones 95% of the online docs so helpfully
>>  explain. There was nothing wrong, and a lot
>>  right, about that sort of Linux.
>
> Maybe slackware would be your best bet in the linux universe? I am
> getting more and more convinced that for a stable, no-nonsense
> environment, the BSD:s are the ones that change the least and stick the
> most to the basics.

It does seem more 'traditional'. However it also
has a lot of quirks and demands more work to achieve
what you want.

I have been seeing more 'improved' Slack distros
of late though - helpful GUIs - but MAYbe that's
the wrong direction.

>>  Arch derivs like Manjaro are still kind of
>>  there. Haven't fooled much with Slack since
>>  I bought an early distro off the shelf at
>>  WalMart (barely any internet then).
>
> What a conincidence. It was my first, store bought distro too. I bought
> a double CD set at some local linux shop, and that was my start with
> linux. Hmm, maybe I should check it out myself. It still looks pretty
> basic on the surface.

At WalMart I found Slack, SUSE and pre-commercial Red Hat.
This was back in the dial-up days. There was even a cheap
version of Oracle - tuned for SUSE I think - but I never
used it.

>>  DID have substantial annoyances with Manjaro
>>  trying to get an xrandr command to execute
>>  on login ... but all distros are kinda weird
>>  about that kind of stuff, hide everything way
>>  on down and the docs aren't always super
>>  helpful. Seems like it never dawned on the
>>  writers that people might want/need a clean,
>>  standard, way to make that work. ROOT, no
>>  prob, but individual user accts .......
>>

On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 17:49:30 -0400
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

> On 2024-08-02 1:50 p.m., Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> > On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 12:57:36 -0400
> > CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> >
> >> Power lines aren't the problem, you ridiculous cretin. Power
> >> _production_ is the problem. There is no shortage of videos of electric
> >> cars owners lined up to the few charging stations that work because not
> >> only is there not enough electricity being produced there (because we
> >> had to close coal factories after all), the stations themselves cease
> >> to work and nobody is ever around to fix them.
> >
> > I'm trying to keep out of this but Oh boy that is priceless
> > garbage! Most EV owners charge at home overnight taking advantage of the
> > times when the grid is underutilised and electricity is cheap.
>
> And what do you do when you're on a road trip, pray tell? Do you drive

I don't go on road trips, that's a peculiarly American thing. The
longest journey I make (rarely) is about 350km of driving, most current EVs
can easily do that on a charge. I wouldn't want to drive more than that
in a day and then only for one day but if I was going to I'd be planning
rest stops at places with chargers thus recharging self and car at the same
time.

> as many kilometres you can, come back home to charge, drive the same
> kilometres and come back home to charge? Or do you use a charging station?

Obviously when away from home it is usually necessary to depend
on the charging network (unless you're staying somewhere with a charger or
can use a "granny cable") but "charging station" not so much. I see
chargers in supermarket, shopping centre, hotel and municipal car parks as
well as motorway service stations. I rarely see all of the chargers in use
anywhere.
The thing is that long journets are the exception not the norm,
most of the time most cars travel less than 100 miles per day which means
that overnight charging easily keeps them full and even quite small
batteries suffice. A great many people were happy with the original Nissan
Leaf with its 24kWh battery and 120km range (on a good day) - with an EV
that limited I'd hire a car for long journeys and still come out way ahead
on driving costs - 2c/km instead of 10c/km in fuel costs and much cheaper
services (there's usually nothing to do but check everything in an EV
service).

EVs have only two serious downsides - they're expensive to buy and
they depreciate quickly at first because the new models are always much
better every year. These are good reasons not to buy a *new* EV, second
hand ones are getting interesting.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

On 02/08/2024 15:47, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 8/2/24 04:48, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/08/2024 20:56, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>   But the un-Natural Philospher is just a mindless
>>>> repeater of slurs, otherwise he would be paying attention
>>>> to real science and demanding more electric cars for the
>>>> sake of reducing climate changing emmissions.
>>>
>>> No. as a true engineer I am aware that electric cars will not reduce
>>> emissions one iota, *overall* and that carbon dioxide emissions are a
>>> minor problem compared with trying to run a civilisation off
>>> windmills and solar panels, as people like you will see if they
>>> continue to try and do it.
>
>     Why do you deniers leave out batteries.  I do not mean the little
> ones in flashlites and so forth but the ones as big as
> boxcars lined up in rows to number in the 100s.
>
Denier of what?

Can you DO Sums?
Can you calculate how much 'battery' is needed, and how much actually
exists in the real world?
Can you calculate how many Hiroshima sized nuclear explosions the
energy in the battery would need to be to keep just a small country
going overnight?

>     Are you paid to ignore the Truth of Global Warming?

The fact that you capitalises it shows its a belief, not a fact.

>     If we do not discover ways to reduce carbon dioxide in the
> atmosphere civilization of any sort may not survive as the people
> remaining alive will have to stuggle not only against the Heat,
> but their fellow surviors for resouces, mainly food and water.
>
If we contunbue to deploy renewable energy to the exclusion of wall
else, civilisation *will* collapse. No 'may' about it.

>     Costs?  Global warming from Fossil Fuel misuse is now costing
> about $800,000,000 a year.  If spent on preparation such as the new
> power lines that would be wonderful.
Urter and total BOLLOCKS and a drop in the ocean compared to th`e cost
of renewables estimated in te trillions

>>
>> When it comes to wind mills and solar, it is not the answer, due to
>> our current ability to store energy cheap, for a long time, is not
>> near enough.
>>
>> It can be added as a complement, but basing countries on it, will lead
>> to brown outs and black outs.
>>
>>> Ultimately the mindless repeating of slurs like 'climate denier' is
>>> coming from the anti- science political climate alarmist Marxists,
>>> not from scientists
>>
>> As long as the term Climate denier persists, we have a clear signal
>> that the green camp has no intention to listen to facts and science.
>> It is a cheap shot aimed at connecting rational beings who are not
>> hysterics, with holocaust deniers. I find the term revolting, and it
>> does not make for good discussion.
>
>     When you deny the negative effects of Global Heating which is
> already killing many people, coral reefs which are ecosystem bases for
> the things we take from the Oceans to eat.

I dont deny anything. You are the one in denial. Of the real facts and
the real science.

>>
>> Eco-fascism is a control tool, which is built like the medieval church
>> with the intent of making the population hand over all power to
>> eco-priests (politicians and corrupt scientists). Only they will allow
>> you to attone for your sins by higher taxes and a medieval lifestyle,
>> while they still travel with private jet.
>
>     I don't know about the people you describe.  They may or may
> not exist but I think you are pimping for the Fossil Fuel industry.
>
>>
>>> The civilization that takes over the world will do it using nuclear
>>> power and hydrocarbon fuels, and all the 'Green' nations will be
>>> colonised and enslaved by them
>
>     What a paranoid dream.

I am sure that nice Mr Putin is having it right now.

Ostrich
>>
>> Let's hope for this result. When ideology and reality clash, sooner or
>> later (hopefully sooner) reality wins as all marxist and socialist
>> countries eventually find out.
>
>     Funny that Norway, Sweden and Denmark seem to be doing Ok.  Of
> course, those social regimes ,making sure citizens have access to good
> health care and education have not been around very long but they seem
> to be keeping up with and ahead of most Capitalist nations where poor
> folks have to struggle to survive.
>
They are too small to be targets for Marxistrs

>     Tell me how many hours a day do you spend standing on your
> head to see the World from such a backward perspective.
>
I guess you must be australian.

--
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

Frédéric Bastiat

On 02/08/2024 15:51, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 8/1/24 18:48, geodandw wrote:

>> What makes you think there is a creator?
>
>     The universe and its subte connection at the level of
> sub-nuclear particles which happen to play out in the chemistry
> of everything including life and consciousness.

You cannot prove that to be true, and in fact esoteric religion claims
otherwise.

Was it planned
> or was it Chance? If it was planned then good if not then
> Bona Fortuna.
>     bliss
>

The short answer is 'no one knows' so go and finish your cornflakes and
be a good little boy.

--
Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns.

On Fri, 2 Aug 2024, chrisv wrote:

> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> The civilisation that takes over the world will do it using nuclear
>> power and hydrocarbon fuels, and all the 'Green' nations will be
>> colonised and enslaved by them
>
> That's China's plan. Once they have Taiwan back, we'll be completely
> at their mercy.
>

I don't think so. Things will be worse, of course, but europe and the US
has the financial muscle and the brain muscle to suvive that. But that is
on the condition that the west abandons woke ideology. If that does not
happen, then it's "good night".

On Fri, 2 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

> You mean cars that run on batteries whose production leaves a massive carbon
> footprint
> <https://www.industryweek.com/technology-and-iiot/article/22026518/lithium-batteries-dirty-secret-manufacturing-them-leaves-massive-carbon-footprint>,
> which are only recycled at a rate of 1%
> <https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/04/lithium-costs-a-lot-of-money-so-why-arent-we-recycling-lithium-batteries/>,
> which spontaneous combust "rarely"
> <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lithium-ion-battery-fires-electric-cars-bikes-scooters-firefighters/>
> and which are 79% less reliable than gas cars
> <https://www.consumerreports.org/media-room/press-releases/2023/11/electric-vehicles-are-improving-but-charging-and-battery-issues-persist-in-consumer-reports-2023-annual-auto-reliability-survey/?msockid=287d4f79ae8b60c3236c5bb1afb0613d>.
>
> Once again, you are a ridiculous cretin.
>

Sorry Bobby, I have analyzed the thread and it does in fact seem like
you are a ridiculous cretin. CrudeSausage is the clear winner here.

On 02/08/2024 16:06, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 07:47:52 -0700
> Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/2/24 04:48, D wrote:
>>>
>>>> No. as a true engineer I am aware that electric cars will not reduce
>>>> emissions one iota, *overall* and that carbon dioxide emissions are a
>>>> minor problem compared with trying to run a civilisation off windmills
>>>> and solar panels, as people like you will see if they continue to try
>>>> and do it.
>>
>> Why do you deniers leave out batteries. I do not mean the little
>> ones in flashlites and so forth but the ones as big as
>> boxcars lined up in rows to number in the 100s.
>
> To say nothing of Vanadium and Iron chemistry flow batteries which
> are good for long term energy storage (zero self discharge). These things
> *only* exist at grid scale.
>

Sure. I can see then littered everywhere round the world

/sarc/.

The UK alone needs about 3 hiroshima sized bombs worth of energy storage
to cover just one dark night of no wind. With the grid it already has.
Never mind all the EVs etc.

You really want to live near a battery with that much energy? That is,
for efficiency, able to let it all go pretty much instantly?

The reason we havent got 'batteries' is because although eco-hippies can
dream about them its all cat belling. We dont know how to build grid
scale energy storage or we would have done it decades ago. And in fact
did, in the case of pumped storage.

Ti the unscientific, the assumption that engineers who have studied
their craft are as ignorant as they are when it comes to scoping out
solutions to problems, is deeply insulting.

They latch on to every PR puff piece that claims to have The Answer, and
regurgitate the same spew on Usenet.

Dont insult my intelligence or training .

If any given technology was a safe reliable and low cost way to store
enormous amounts of electricity, don't you think someone would already
have done it?

Electro chemistry is old technology.
As are windmills and solar panels,
Lipstick on a pig wont make it Taylor Swift.
The safest lowest cost storage of energy that we have technology to
access us Uranium 235.

Accept it, and accept that the carefully crafted bullshit of the
renewable lobbies is there to make profit, not save the planet, because
if they really cared we would be 100% nuclear by now.

And they wouldn't be flying from one beach house to the nexct in private
jets.

--
Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns.

On Fri, 2 Aug 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>>> Again its trite and misses the actual point.
>>>
>>> You are hung up on the classic idealism/realism debate. Things moved on
>>> with Kant.
>>>
>>> The problem is neither the scientists or the woke crowd moved in with him.
>>
>> No. You are the one stuck in the idealist camp. Do note that a vast
>> majority of philosophy ph.d. support the fact that an external world
>> exist and that science is the best way to obtain knowledge about it.
>>
>
> No, the support the hypothesis.
> Again you innate stupidity has prevented you from grasping the fine
> distinction between and ad hoc theory, and fact, and between 'it works' and
> 'its true'

No, actually it is your innate retardedness that prevents you from
grasping that we live in a material world. You are stuck in the old
idealism from the 18th century. Please update yourself, and I'll gladly
meet you in the real world.

>> I will not stop this conversation, since it is meaningless to talk about
>> this with you.
>>
>> The paper if you are interested is What Do Philosophers Believe? by David
>> Bourget and David J. Chalmers.
>
> The problem is that you are just stuck in the materialists camp and are in
> denial that it might not be the be all and end all of everything

Nope. The material is all there is, and you cannot provide proof of
anything else, or you would have gotten the nobel prize.

I therefore conclude that you have fallen into the solipsist trap, and I
will not further talk philosophy with you, since you're argument is on
the level of a child.

You are an engineer I think, but I have studied philosophy at university
level, and it does show that you are an engineer and not a philosopher.

> Philosophers - real philosophers - don't do 'believe'

Exactly. Welcome to the real, material world.

> The examine other peoples , dispassionately
> The fact that you think they have 'beliefs' tells me all I need to know about
> the mature of your mind

You are retarded, and you will be blocked at the next message talking
about this subject. It is sad, because you do seem to have quite well
reasoned views, but I do understand at the same time, that I have touch
your religion, and that makes you revolting and defensive and closed
minded.

On Fri, 2 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 2024-08-02 1:50 p.m., Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 12:57:36 -0400
>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>
>>> Power lines aren't the problem, you ridiculous cretin. Power
>>> _production_ is the problem. There is no shortage of videos of electric
>>> cars owners lined up to the few charging stations that work because not
>>> only is there not enough electricity being produced there (because we
>>> had to close coal factories after all), the stations themselves cease to
>>> work and nobody is ever around to fix them.
>>
>> I'm trying to keep out of this but Oh boy that is priceless
>> garbage! Most EV owners charge at home overnight taking advantage of the
>> times when the grid is underutiliosed and electricity is cheap.
>
> And what do you do when you're on a road trip, pray tell? Do you drive as
> many kilometres you can, come back home to charge, drive the same kilometres
> and come back home to charge? Or do you use a charging station?
>

Let's also add that it is very entitled to assume that everyone just have
a house so they can charge overnight. Many people in the world live in
apartments, which makes this impossible.

On 02/08/2024 22:49, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2024-08-02 1:50 p.m., Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 12:57:36 -0400
>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>
>>> Power lines aren't the problem, you ridiculous cretin. Power
>>> _production_ is the problem. There is no shortage of videos of electric
>>> cars owners lined up to the few charging stations that work because not
>>> only is there not enough electricity being produced there (because we
>>> had to close coal factories after all), the stations themselves cease to
>>> work and nobody is ever around to fix them.
>>
>>     I'm trying to keep out of this but Oh boy that is priceless
>> garbage! Most EV owners charge at home overnight taking advantage of the
>> times when the grid is underutiliosed and electricity is cheap.
>
> And what do you do when you're on a road trip, pray tell? Do you drive
> as many kilometres you can, come back home to charge, drive the same
> kilometres and come back home to charge? Or do you use a charging station?
>
In the New Hope World, you dont take long car trips. You have virtual
sex with an internet connected robot.

--
“It is not the truth of Marxism that explains the willingness of
intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on
intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is
futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into,
we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every
criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a
power-directed system of thought.”
Sir Roger Scruton

On 03/08/2024 08:11, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 17:49:30 -0400
> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-08-02 1:50 p.m., Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 12:57:36 -0400
>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Power lines aren't the problem, you ridiculous cretin. Power
>>>> _production_ is the problem. There is no shortage of videos of electric
>>>> cars owners lined up to the few charging stations that work because not
>>>> only is there not enough electricity being produced there (because we
>>>> had to close coal factories after all), the stations themselves cease
>>>> to work and nobody is ever around to fix them.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to keep out of this but Oh boy that is priceless
>>> garbage! Most EV owners charge at home overnight taking advantage of the
>>> times when the grid is underutilised and electricity is cheap.
>>
>> And what do you do when you're on a road trip, pray tell? Do you drive
>
> I don't go on road trips, that's a peculiarly American thing. The
> longest journey I make (rarely) is about 350km of driving, most current EVs
> can easily do that on a charge. I wouldn't want to drive more than that
> in a day and then only for one day but if I was going to I'd be planning
> rest stops at places with chargers thus recharging self and car at the same
> time.
>
>> as many kilometres you can, come back home to charge, drive the same
>> kilometres and come back home to charge? Or do you use a charging station?
>
> Obviously when away from home it is usually necessary to depend
> on the charging network (unless you're staying somewhere with a charger or
> can use a "granny cable") but "charging station" not so much. I see
> chargers in supermarket, shopping centre, hotel and municipal car parks as
> well as motorway service stations. I rarely see all of the chargers in use
> anywhere.
>
> The thing is that long journets are the exception not the norm,
> most of the time most cars travel less than 100 miles per day which means
> that overnight charging easily keeps them full and even quite small
> batteries suffice. A great many people were happy with the original Nissan
> Leaf with its 24kWh battery and 120km range (on a good day) - with an EV
> that limited I'd hire a car for long journeys and still come out way ahead
> on driving costs - 2c/km instead of 10c/km in fuel costs and much cheaper
> services (there's usually nothing to do but check everything in an EV
> service).
>
> EVs have only two serious downsides - they're expensive to buy and
> they depreciate quickly at first because the new models are always much
> better every year. These are good reasons not to buy a *new* EV, second
> hand ones are getting interesting.
>
Evs have no upsides at all. Not really.
Even fuel cost will be forced to rise on account of them not paying fuel
duty

The answer is in the sales figures of tthe major EV manufacturers.
People are stinging away on droves.

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intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on
intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is
futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into,
we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every
criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a
power-directed system of thought.”
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On Sat, 3 Aug 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

>>>  But, for a terminal/ssh-only file/mail/whatever server,
>>>  OpenBSD is probably your safest option at the moment.
>>
>> Yes... the more crazy the linux world is becoming, the more I am leaning
>> towards OpenBSD. I wouldn't be surprised if I actually did base my
>> company servers on openbsd in the end. It seems robust, small and well
>> thought out.
>
> For "serious" servers - this is my current rec.
>
> Linux is, or can be, great but it's in too-rapid
> flux at the moment - with eye-candy and such
> becoming the major priorities.

Yes, I go with releases and not rolling-releases for my production
stuff. I would never even dream of basing anything serious on linux
rolling releases.

> Oh, and Linus isn't young anymore. He has been
> the glue holding the system kernel intact and
> consistent. Before the last of the good Linux
> mags disappeared there were columns from those
> in his close orbit relating combat over many
> 'improvements' that would basically trash a
> lot of what is, corrupt the logic of the system.
>
> Once Linus exits .....

This is the truth! Linus has already weakened given the foundations code
of condudct and having to go to class to learn to become more woke.
These are signs of the demise. I think that once he is completely gone
it will just be a corporate entity controlled by the corporations who
contribute the most money.

My very brief collaboration with the linux foundation confirms this, and
it was completely lined with middle managers looking to line their CV:s
trying to become upper level managers. Also, needless to say, their
concerns was with their corporations and the concerns of regular users
was non-existent.

But who knows? Maybe it is not yet too late for any of the BSDs to
actualy step up and become a more popular alternative, and attract the
funding and attention necessary to actually develop hardware support
that is very up to date? It would be nice on the open source side, to
end the linux hegemony.

>>>>>> Then you have debian and free and netbsd, I think they are kind of
>>>>>> alright.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Deb WAS great - until WORM. I think they hired some
>>>>>  Canonical rejects ... now POINTLESS complications and
>>>>>  changes and abandonment of LONG-standing Linux norms
>>>>>  for a lot of stuff. Went to Manjaro because of it.
>>>>
>>>> What happened? I use bookworm on my kodi tv computer and haven't noticed
>>>> anything out of the ordinary. On the other hand, it is not my work
>>>> platform, so I haven't looked that closely.
>>>
>>>  Let's see ... I do a lot with security cams, but the
>>>  /dev/video devices constantly switch all around. That
>>>  was just the start. The networking setup went all
>>>  wonky too ... I actually had to post where the new
>>>  files were and some ez templates for those who used
>>>  it without a GUI. The CLI utility SUCKS. A surprising
>>>  number of people here do NOT add a GUI, esp for Pi
>>>  implementations. Anyway, a bunch of very annoying
>>>  little things - so I've just DUMPED Deb. Hoping for
>>>  an "original fork" distro - kinda Devuian+ - soon.
>>>  Just NOT gonna waste any more time with it.
>>
>> Interesting. Thank you very much for the review.
>
> This was MY experience with OS aspects *I* tend to
> use a lot. Other people with other aims may not see
> much in the way of problems.
>
> But I see serious problems ... and I'm too old now
> to waste lots of time trying to find sneaky ways
> around them that will disappear with the next
> update, or reboot.
>
> A longstanding goodness of Linux was its relative
> simplicity - straight-up code and structure for
> common needs. This seems to be disappearing in
> favor of trying to become Winders.

This is the truth! That is the beauty of the BSDs. They are quite
compact, streamlined and the components fit well together. For a simple
and robust platform I think they are great.

>>>>>> Slackware and Artix I think are also distributions without too much CoC
>>>>>> bullsh*t.
>>>>>
>>>>>  'Artix' or 'Antix" ??? Antix is super-simple - which
>>>>>  CAN be good. Antix IS writ by very depressive communist
>>>>>  Greeks alas ...... MX is an improvement.
>>>>
>>>> Artix. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artix_Linux .
>>>>
>>>>>> You probably also have seen that Lunduke wants to start his own
>>>>>> distribution with CoC b.s. so that could be promising as well! =)
>>>>>
>>>>>  What's that gonna do - "correct" your pronouns by
>>>>>  default/mandate or something ? Wouldn't put it
>>>>>  past 'em .....
>>>>
>>>> YES!
>>>>
>>>>>  Operating systems are SUPPOSED to be about pure
>>>>>  function. No politics or neo-sociology.
>>>>
>>>> Jokes aside, that is his idea as far as I understand it. A distribution
>>>> that focuses on the technology and not the woke B.S.
>>>
>>>  Let us hope.
>>
>> We can only pray!
>
> Oh Great And Terrible Lord Siliconus .... :-)

Amen!

>>>  Though that all might be banned if Harris and
>>>  friends gain control ... thou SHALL adhere to
>>>  the approved groupthink .....
>>
>> That could definitely be true. In europe, many socialist countries like
>> sweden, are using nudgeing to teach people to become more socialist and
>> companies too. For instance, there are legal requirements that you must
>> have a gender plan, a "green" plan etc. and if you do not have it, you
>> are banned from doing business with the public sector.
>
> Much of the EU is decidedly more into enforced
> official groupthink. You can see that in the
> news almost every day. Anyone a centimeter
> outside the 'official' reality is a 'terrorist'
> or 'far-right extremist' or 'thug'. Oddly it
> was the far-LEFT extemists who sabotaged French
> systems last week .........

Oh yes, tell me about it! I've done a bit of management consulting for
startups, and a huge part of my time was spent on blocking woke
initiatives the naive founders and their feminist diversity flower came
with every week. It seemed like they really wanted to destroy their
company.

After fighting for 3 years I left for other projects, and 6 months after
I left they had to let go about 30% of the company due to financial
difficulties. I love it when I'm right! ;)