Curiously, when I made a post to Reddit linux group, it got deleted
immediately. I thought they would be gloating that Windows got shafted.

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, Woozy Song wrote:

> Curiously, when I made a post to Reddit linux group, it got deleted
> immediately. I thought they would be gloating that Windows got shafted.
>

I'm gloating! I repeatedly tell a potential customer to change from
windows, and I think so far they asked me for an offer and an opinion 3
times (they had 3 security incidents), and yet they have never purchased
my services and they keep running into these problems. I'm gloating so
much. Sadly I don't think they will ever switch from their beloved
Microsoft though.

I do use them often as an example of what happens if you have a crappy
IT-manager so I do derive benefits from their incompetence though! =)

On 19/07/2024 11:41, D wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, Woozy Song wrote:
>
>> Curiously, when I made a post to Reddit linux group, it got deleted
>> immediately. I thought they would be gloating that Windows got shafted.
>>
>
> I'm gloating! I repeatedly tell a potential customer to change from
> windows, and I think so far they asked me for an offer and an opinion 3
> times (they had 3 security incidents), and yet they have never purchased
> my services and they keep running into these problems. I'm gloating so
> much. Sadly I don't think they will ever switch from their beloved
> Microsoft though.
>
> I do use them often as an example of what happens if you have a crappy
> IT-manager so I do derive benefits from their incompetence though! =)
>
Pardon my ignorance, but what has crowdstrike got to do with Windows?

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On fre, 2024/07/19 at 12:59:45 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/07/2024 11:41, D wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, Woozy Song wrote:
[snip]
> Pardon my ignorance, but what has crowdstrike got to do with Windows?

They offer a quite capable security solution. Today however, when they
pushed an update, it sunk pretty much every Windows system it came in
contact with, requiring the laying on of hands on the systems to recover
them.

--
Kind regards,

/S

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 19/07/2024 11:41, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, Woozy Song wrote:
>>
>>> Curiously, when I made a post to Reddit linux group, it got deleted
>>> immediately. I thought they would be gloating that Windows got shafted.
>>>
<snip>
> Pardon my ignorance, but what has crowdstrike got to do with Windows?

My understanding, Microsoft "outsourced" somekind of
security function to croudstrike, so just about all
corporate Windows systems may have this binary from
croudstrike. I saw somewhere this morning, if you
remove that binary, Windows will work fine. But I
guess you will be open to some security issue.

So in a way, the "buck stops" at Microsoft.

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- Paraphrasing Star Wars

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 07:59:45 -0400, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
> Pardon my ignorance, but what has crowdstrike got to do with Windows?

It provides security protection from sources of malware other then crowdstrike
for windows systems.

Protecting systems from crowdstrike requires fixing and rebooting each affected
system. As the systems are stuck in a reboot loop, that requires booting into
rescue mode. As I understand it, that can only be done using the keyboard
attached to the system.

Seems Microsoft uses crowdstrike as microsoft 365 servers were affected.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 19/07/2024 11:41, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, Woozy Song wrote:
>>
>>> Curiously, when I made a post to Reddit linux group, it got deleted
>>> immediately. I thought they would be gloating that Windows got shafted.
>>>
>>
>> I'm gloating! I repeatedly tell a potential customer to change from
>> windows, and I think so far they asked me for an offer and an opinion 3
>> times (they had 3 security incidents), and yet they have never purchased my
>> services and they keep running into these problems. I'm gloating so much.
>> Sadly I don't think they will ever switch from their beloved Microsoft
>> though.
>>
>> I do use them often as an example of what happens if you have a crappy
>> IT-manager so I do derive benefits from their incompetence though! =)
>>
> Pardon my ignorance, but what has crowdstrike got to do with Windows?

They sent out a patch which crashed windows. If you do not have windows,
you would not be affected by it.

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 16:21:04 -0400, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
<snip>
>> Pardon my ignorance, but what has crowdstrike got to do with Windows?

> They sent out a patch which crashed windows. If you do not have windows,
> you would not be affected by it.

The people sitting in airports running linux on their laptops or android
on their phones might disagree with that statement.

It affects all systems running windows and crowdstrike, which includes many
microsoft 365 cloud servers. The systems impacted includes many airlines,
government services, financial institutions, etc.

So you don't even have to own your own computer to be affected by it.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 15:31:00 +0200, Sirius wrote:

> They offer a quite capable security solution.

CrowdStrike’s security products cover Mac and Linux clients, too. But it
was only the Windows one that got screwed up.

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, David W. Hodgins wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 16:21:04 -0400, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> <snip>
>>> Pardon my ignorance, but what has crowdstrike got to do with Windows?
>
>> They sent out a patch which crashed windows. If you do not have windows,
>> you would not be affected by it.
>
> The people sitting in airports running linux on their laptops or android
> on their phones might disagree with that statement.
>
> It affects all systems running windows and crowdstrike, which includes many
> microsoft 365 cloud servers. The systems impacted includes many airlines,
> government services, financial institutions, etc.
>
> So you don't even have to own your own computer to be affected by it.
>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins

That's a ridiculous interpretation of my statement and you know it. Please
raise the bar.

On 2024-07-19, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, Woozy Song wrote:
>
>> Curiously, when I made a post to Reddit linux group, it got deleted
>> immediately. I thought they would be gloating that Windows got shafted.
>>
>
> I'm gloating! I repeatedly tell a potential customer to change from
> windows, and I think so far they asked me for an offer and an opinion 3
> times (they had 3 security incidents), and yet they have never purchased
> my services and they keep running into these problems. I'm gloating so
> much. Sadly I don't think they will ever switch from their beloved
> Microsoft though.
>
> I do use them often as an example of what happens if you have a crappy
> IT-manager so I do derive benefits from their incompetence though! =)
>

+1 I hope this serves as a lesson.

On 20/07/2024 14:44, rek2 hispagatos wrote:
> On 2024-07-19, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, Woozy Song wrote:
>>
>>> Curiously, when I made a post to Reddit linux group, it got deleted
>>> immediately. I thought they would be gloating that Windows got shafted.
>>>
>>
>> I'm gloating! I repeatedly tell a potential customer to change from
>> windows, and I think so far they asked me for an offer and an opinion 3
>> times (they had 3 security incidents), and yet they have never purchased
>> my services and they keep running into these problems. I'm gloating so
>> much. Sadly I don't think they will ever switch from their beloved
>> Microsoft though.
>>
>> I do use them often as an example of what happens if you have a crappy
>> IT-manager so I do derive benefits from their incompetence though! =)
>>
>
>
> +1 I hope this serves as a lesson.

No, it wont.

You dont understan middle management in a company.
The IT managers career is best served by spending shitloads of money
with a company like crowdstrike which offers impressive legal guarantees
in its contracts.
Not by implementing a policy with some 'nerdy operating system' that his
boss doesn't know how to use. And developing an IT department to service
and support it.

--
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

The Natural Philosopher wrote in comp.os.linux.misc:
>On 20/07/2024 14:44, rek2 hispagatos wrote:

>>+1 I hope this serves as a lesson.
>
>No, it wont.
>
>You dont understan middle management in a company.
>The IT managers career is best served by spending shitloads of money
>with a company like crowdstrike which offers impressive legal guarantees
>in its contracts.
>Not by implementing a policy with some 'nerdy operating system' that his
>boss doesn't know how to use. And developing an IT department to service
>and support it.

An observation that many have made.
Would you be convinced that IT managers prefer to continue to steer
their company into the next wall, convinced that it will serve their
career? I may have only reformulated what you stated above, in that
case.

I see two dominant scenarios for the future: Either this continues
and *All* comes to an end, for any of the multitude of possible
reasons.

Or different things become important, which should change an IT
manager's conduct.

So, are there really no counter examples? Would those who talk in
this thread be the last remaining reasonable people?

I am out of IT for about 15 years. All this is becoming comfortably
obscure for me but I remember at least 1 company which went bankrupt
because their quality standards were too high and the customers had
neither understood nor liked that.

On 20/07/2024 17:15, Michael Uplawski wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote in comp.os.linux.misc:
>> On 20/07/2024 14:44, rek2 hispagatos wrote:
>
>>> +1 I hope this serves as a lesson.
>>
>> No, it wont.
>>
>> You dont understan middle management in a company.
>> The IT managers career is best served by spending shitloads of money
>> with a company like crowdstrike which offers impressive legal guarantees
>> in its contracts.
>> Not by implementing a policy with some 'nerdy operating system' that his
>> boss doesn't know how to use. And developing an IT department to service
>> and support it.
>
> An observation that many have made.
> Would you be convinced that IT managers prefer to continue to steer
> their company into the next wall, convinced that it will serve their
> career? I may have only reformulated what you stated above, in that
> case.
>
Ive seen midlde management do exactly that.

> I see two dominant scenarios for the future: Either this continues
> and *All* comes to an end, for any of the multitude of possible
> reasons.
>
What happens in reality is that departments or businesses simply go
bankrupt and are closed down.
Unless they are public sector funded. Which is why governments should
never ever be in charge of running anything

> Or different things become important, which should change an IT
> manager's conduct.
>
It doesn't matter what the issue, the middle manager or politician is
not interested in the survival of the company (or country) he
ostensibly works for, only in his salary, his perks, and his CV.

> So, are there really no counter examples? Would those who talk in
> this thread be the last remaining reasonable people?
>
Small companies with technically competent managers work, which is why
large companies lobby the government to make it impossible for them to
fulfil H & S, and diversity requrenensts, minimum wage and maximum
working hours.
Its all designed to make the barrier to entry of the corporate game to
high for new players to enter.

All disguised as 'soshul justiss' and 'yuman rites'

> I am out of IT for about 15 years. All this is becoming comfortably
> obscure for me but I remember at least 1 company which went bankrupt
> because their quality standards were too high and the customers had
> neither understood nor liked that.

Precisely. In a free market that is what happens, which is why the big
corporates lobby governments to ensure the market is as non-free as
possible.

In a free market no one would build a single EV, sell a single solar
panel or put up a single windmill.

And neighbourhoods would be full of small businesses supplying needed
services.

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private property.

Karl Marx

The Natural Philosopher wrote in comp.os.linux.misc:

>And neighbourhoods would be full of small businesses supplying needed
>services.

All your elaboration was necessary. Thank you.

On 2024-07-20, Michael Uplawski <michael.uplawski@uplawski.eu> wrote:

> I am out of IT for about 15 years. All this is becoming comfortably
> obscure for me but I remember at least 1 company which went bankrupt
> because their quality standards were too high and the customers had
> neither understood nor liked that.

That explains the definition of "Quality Control" that I once heard:
keeping quality under control so it doesn't rise too high and increase
costs.

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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 20/07/2024 14:44, rek2 hispagatos wrote:
>> On 2024-07-19, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, Woozy Song wrote:
>>>
>>>> Curiously, when I made a post to Reddit linux group, it got deleted
>>>> immediately. I thought they would be gloating that Windows got shafted.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm gloating! I repeatedly tell a potential customer to change from
>>> windows, and I think so far they asked me for an offer and an opinion 3
>>> times (they had 3 security incidents), and yet they have never purchased
>>> my services and they keep running into these problems. I'm gloating so
>>> much. Sadly I don't think they will ever switch from their beloved
>>> Microsoft though.
>>>
>>> I do use them often as an example of what happens if you have a crappy
>>> IT-manager so I do derive benefits from their incompetence though! =)
>>>
>>
>>
>> +1 I hope this serves as a lesson.
>
> No, it wont.
>
> You dont understan middle management in a company.
> The IT managers career is best served by spending shitloads of money
> with a company like crowdstrike which offers impressive legal guarantees
> in its contracts.
> Not by implementing a policy with some 'nerdy operating system' that his
> boss doesn't know how to use. And developing an IT department to service
> and support it.

You can tell those who have never worked with/in/near a large corporate
bureaucracy or govt bureaucracy IT department. Those who have never
seen behind the curtain believe this will result in some kind of
change.

Those who have (and it does appear you have) recognize crowdstrike for
what it really is (hint, it is not for "securing" the endpoint systems
-- that is, at best, a secondary outcome). Crowdstrike's real purpose
is to provide the IT bureaucracy with "risk insurance" (i.e.,
Crowdstrike is really an "insurance plan", even if not presented that
way) such that the IT folk can check a checkbox on their quarterly
security audit forms that indicates they have "security scanning
software" installed. It additionally provides those same IT
bureaucracy folks with a CYA such that if they happen to be
hacked/exploited, they can CYA and shift blame to Crowdstrike and away
from themselves.

Any "security" Crowdstrike provides is secondary to this main purpose,
that of being an "insurance plan" onto which the IT bureaucracy members
can shift blame should some hack occur.

So in the end, because the next quarters audit's checkboxes will still
require "security scanning software" be installed, when next quarter
arrives, and those forms get filled out again, Crowdstrike will still
be installed, so those IT folks can check the "blame shifting checkbox"
on the audit form and magically become "secure" for another quarter.

On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 17:43:27 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> That explains the definition of "Quality Control" that I once heard:
> keeping quality under control so it doesn't rise too high and increase
> costs.

Stated honestly a large part of my college statistics course involved
determining how many widgets you need to test to insure only N% of the
output is defective, where N is determined by the cost of repairing/
replacing the defective widgets balanced against the QA costs.

On 20/07/2024 19:42, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 17:43:27 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> That explains the definition of "Quality Control" that I once heard:
>> keeping quality under control so it doesn't rise too high and increase
>> costs.
>
> Stated honestly a large part of my college statistics course involved
> determining how many widgets you need to test to insure only N% of the
> output is defective, where N is determined by the cost of repairing/
> replacing the defective widgets balanced against the QA costs.
>
I remember the US Robotics 'lifetime guaranteed' modems
When mine got struck by lightning, they simply sent me a new one.
It was cheaper than repairing the old

--
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urge to rule it.”
– H. L. Mencken

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 20/07/2024 19:42, rbowman wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 17:43:27 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> >
> >> That explains the definition of "Quality Control" that I once heard:
> >> keeping quality under control so it doesn't rise too high and increase
> >> costs.
> >
> > Stated honestly a large part of my college statistics course involved
> > determining how many widgets you need to test to insure only N% of the
> > output is defective, where N is determined by the cost of repairing/
> > replacing the defective widgets balanced against the QA costs.
> >
> I remember the US Robotics 'lifetime guaranteed' modems
> When mine got struck by lightning, they simply sent me a new one.
> It was cheaper than repairing the old

I wonder if you can still get a new replacement today. :P
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On Sat, 20 Jul 2024, Rich wrote:

> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 20/07/2024 14:44, rek2 hispagatos wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-19, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, Woozy Song wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Curiously, when I made a post to Reddit linux group, it got deleted
>>>>> immediately. I thought they would be gloating that Windows got shafted.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm gloating! I repeatedly tell a potential customer to change from
>>>> windows, and I think so far they asked me for an offer and an opinion 3
>>>> times (they had 3 security incidents), and yet they have never purchased
>>>> my services and they keep running into these problems. I'm gloating so
>>>> much. Sadly I don't think they will ever switch from their beloved
>>>> Microsoft though.
>>>>
>>>> I do use them often as an example of what happens if you have a crappy
>>>> IT-manager so I do derive benefits from their incompetence though! =)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1 I hope this serves as a lesson.
>>
>> No, it wont.
>>
>> You dont understan middle management in a company.
>> The IT managers career is best served by spending shitloads of money
>> with a company like crowdstrike which offers impressive legal guarantees
>> in its contracts.
>> Not by implementing a policy with some 'nerdy operating system' that his
>> boss doesn't know how to use. And developing an IT department to service
>> and support it.
>
> You can tell those who have never worked with/in/near a large corporate
> bureaucracy or govt bureaucracy IT department. Those who have never
> seen behind the curtain believe this will result in some kind of
> change.

Oh it definitely can lead to change. It is just up to you to be smart,
manipulative, not-caring or bold to make it happen.

My favourite strategy when working a behemoths was to just say "f*ck you"
and do what I wanted without telling any sr manager and it served me
extremely well as well as my customers! =)

Then, when I became my own, I do grant that it is somewhat of an uphill
battle at times, but that's part of the challenge and makes it feel better
when you do manage to kick out Microsoft.

I recently managed to kick out Microsoft in favour of home-grown service
based on classical physical servers, and it does give me immense
satisfaction.

That being said however, it is not always easy, and many are the people
who just swim along until they reach retirement age. But horses for
courses as the saying goes! =)

On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:46:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I remember the US Robotics 'lifetime guaranteed' modems When mine got
> struck by lightning, they simply sent me a new one.
> It was cheaper than repairing the old

I had a lightning related surge take out an answering machine. Yeah, it's
cheaper to replace it completely that trying to get the melted components
out of the melted housing.

On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:35:53 +0000, Ant wrote:

> I wonder if you can still get a new replacement today.

Probably. At one point we ran into the opposite problem with modems. Some
of the companies doing the old alphanumeric paging had prehistoric
equipment that required a 2400 baud dialup connection. Some of the super
duper 56k modems couldn't do 2400.

On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 17:04:19 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> The IT managers career is best served by spending shitloads of money
> with a company like crowdstrike which offers impressive legal guarantees
> in its contracts.

Um ... *WHAT* legal guarantees?

On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 17:34:06 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Which is why governments should
> never ever be in charge of running anything

Ummm ... the legal system, public roading, clean air and water,
healthcare?

After all, Socialist healthcare is the only kind of healthcare that works!

Not to mention economic market regulation, to ensure that free markets
remain free ... not something that happens by itself ...