And that will still be true regardless of who is the next US President.

Yep, I hate the political slop... it's Linux, not politics... if I
wanted politics I'd be somewhere that wasn't here...

On 2024-08-08, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> And that will still be true regardless of who is the next US President.

And will remain true, as long as we keep politics OUT of Linux. That
means rejecting those who want to make Free Software and Linux
political.

On 2024-08-08 12:39 a.m., Jack Renton Uteg wrote:
> Yep, I hate the political slop... it's Linux, not politics... if I
> wanted politics I'd be somewhere that wasn't here...

By casting out conservatives and demanding that developers abandon
labels like master and slave in the name of "the message," the people
behind Linux have made it political.

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Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

Jack Renton Uteg wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Yep, I hate the political slop... it's Linux, not politics... if I
> wanted politics I'd be somewhere that wasn't here...

I've been trying to snip COLA from the "Newsgroups", but sometimes I forget.

:-(

D-:

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On 2024-08-08 5:50 a.m., Borax Man wrote:
> On 2024-08-08, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> And that will still be true regardless of who is the next US President.
>
> And will remain true, as long as we keep politics OUT of Linux. That
> means rejecting those who want to make Free Software and Linux
> political.

+1. Beware the Communist promising social justice.

--
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Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On 2024-08-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-08-08 12:39 a.m., Jack Renton Uteg wrote:
>> Yep, I hate the political slop... it's Linux, not politics... if I
>> wanted politics I'd be somewhere that wasn't here...
>
> By casting out conservatives and demanding that developers abandon
> labels like master and slave in the name of "the message," the people
> behind Linux have made it political.

That is stupid. No one mentions a slave cylinder in a car and thinks of
bringing back slavery. And let's not forget that just about every race
(yeah, I'm going to use "race" because the so-called "science" is bullshit
on this subject)... just about every race in the world were slavers and the
enslaved. To deny this fact shows either ignorance or myopia (or lying
hypocrisy).

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-08-08, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> Jack Renton Uteg wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> Yep, I hate the political slop... it's Linux, not politics... if I
>> wanted politics I'd be somewhere that wasn't here...
>
> I've been trying to snip COLA from the "Newsgroups", but sometimes I forget.
>
> :-(
>
> D-:

Try harder.

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 8/8/2024 12:28 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

<snip>

Amazing?

You sure are excited that Linux successfully booted 3 consecutive times.

On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 09:50:43 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:

> ... as long as we keep politics OUT of Linux.

The idea of Free software is seen by some as political, though. A few
decades ago, there was some idiot guy who was trying to sue to get the GPL
declared monopolistic and anticompetitive.

Ah, found his name: Daniel Wallace.

On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 09:50:14 -0400, DFS wrote:

> You sure are excited that Linux successfully booted 3 consecutive times.

Well, Linux reboots don’t occur that often ...

On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 07:43:12 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> By casting out conservatives and demanding that developers abandon
> labels like master and slave in the name of "the message," the people
> behind Linux have made it political.

Programming languages don’t care about your politics. If you can’t write
correct code, that’s not some kind of “liberal conspiracy” against you:
you just suck as a programmer.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 09:50:43 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>
>> ... as long as we keep politics OUT of Linux.
>
>The idea of Free software is seen by some as political, though. A few
>decades ago, there was some idiot guy who was trying to sue to get the GPL
>declared monopolistic and anticompetitive.
>
>Ah, found his name: Daniel Wallace.

Weird, what a crackpot, as if it's anticompetitive to release free
software, what would he have them do? Just stupid.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 20:19:00 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Weird, what a crackpot, as if it's anticompetitive to release free
> software, what would he have them do? Just stupid.

Not the only one. There was also some guy claiming to be from an outfit
called the “Alexis De Tocqueville Institute”, who was going around trying
to find evidence that Linus Torvalds somehow copied Linux from AT&T Unix
or something, there was no way a lowly CS student could create an entire
OS kernel all on his own. He even tried to interview Andrew Tanenbaum at
one point. The Minix man pointed out that, not only did Torvalds achieve
such a thing, he was not the only one to create his own Unix workalike
from scratch.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>> Weird, what a crackpot, as if it's anticompetitive to release free
>> software, what would he have them do? Just stupid.
>
>Not the only one. There was also some guy claiming to be from an outfit
>called the “Alexis De Tocqueville Institute”, who was going around trying
>to find evidence that Linus Torvalds somehow copied Linux from AT&T Unix
>or something, there was no way a lowly CS student could create an entire
>OS kernel all on his own. He even tried to interview Andrew Tanenbaum at
>one point. The Minix man pointed out that, not only did Torvalds achieve
>such a thing, he was not the only one to create his own Unix workalike
>from scratch.

Well, they can imagine that he plagiarized it or whatever, but it's
self-evidently not true, the code is there for everyone to see and
analyze, did they find it was copied from something else? BS. Linus
Torvalds is simply a fucking genius. That's the truth. He's the
mastermind of independent OS development, and his kernel has joined
with GNU, X, etc., to form a free platform, competitive in every
respect with M$ and Apple.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Joel wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Weird, what a crackpot, as if it's anticompetitive to release free
>>> software, what would he have them do? Just stupid.
>>
>> Not the only one. There was also some guy claiming to be from an outfit
>> called the “Alexis De Tocqueville Institute”, who was going around trying
>> to find evidence that Linus Torvalds somehow copied Linux from AT&T Unix
>> or something, there was no way a lowly CS student could create an entire
>> OS kernel all on his own. He even tried to interview Andrew Tanenbaum at
>> one point. The Minix man pointed out that, not only did Torvalds achieve
>> such a thing, he was not the only one to create his own Unix workalike
>>from scratch.
>
>
> Well, they can imagine that he plagiarized it or whatever, but it's
> self-evidently not true, the code is there for everyone to see and
> analyze, did they find it was copied from something else? BS. Linus
> Torvalds is simply a fucking genius. That's the truth. He's the
> mastermind of independent OS development, and his kernel has joined
> with GNU, X, etc., to form a free platform, competitive in every
> respect with M$ and Apple.
>
but it can't see jpegs

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 09:50:43 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>
>> ... as long as we keep politics OUT of Linux.
>
> The idea of Free software is seen by some as political, though. A few
> decades ago, there was some idiot guy who was trying to sue to get the GPL
> declared monopolistic and anticompetitive.
>
> Ah, found his name: Daniel Wallace.

Remember Darl McBride and SCO?

And who was the jerk who tried to register Linux as a trademark for himself?
Actually there were many.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Linux

And slightly related:

https://www.theregister.com/2002/03/19/microsoft_killed_dell_linux_states/

"I'm thinking of hitting the OEMs harder than in the past with anti-Linux.
... they should do a delicate dance," Kempin wrote to Ballmer, in what is
sure to be a memorable addition to the phrases ("knife the baby", "cut off
the air supply") with which Microsoft enriched the English language in the
first trial. Unlike those two, this is not contested.

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% wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Joel wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> Weird, what a crackpot, as if it's anticompetitive to release free
>>>> software, what would he have them do? Just stupid.
>>>
>>> Not the only one. There was also some guy claiming to be from an outfit
>>> called the “Alexis De Tocqueville Institute”, who was going around trying
>>> to find evidence that Linus Torvalds somehow copied Linux from AT&T Unix
>>> or something, there was no way a lowly CS student could create an entire
>>> OS kernel all on his own. He even tried to interview Andrew Tanenbaum at
>>> one point. The Minix man pointed out that, not only did Torvalds achieve
>>> such a thing, he was not the only one to create his own Unix workalike
>>>from scratch.
>>
>> Well, they can imagine that he plagiarized it or whatever, but it's
>> self-evidently not true, the code is there for everyone to see and
>> analyze, did they find it was copied from something else? BS. Linus
>> Torvalds is simply a fucking genius. That's the truth. He's the
>> mastermind of independent OS development, and his kernel has joined
>> with GNU, X, etc., to form a free platform, competitive in every
>> respect with M$ and Apple.
>
> but it can't see jpegs

:-D Feh!!!

--
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Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

> https://www.theregister.com/2002/03/19/microsoft_killed_dell_linux_states/
>
> "I'm thinking of hitting the OEMs harder than in the past with anti-Linux.
> ... they should do a delicate dance," Kempin wrote to Ballmer, in what is
> sure to be a memorable addition to the phrases ("knife the baby", "cut off
> the air supply") with which Microsoft enriched the English language in the
> first trial. Unlike those two, this is not contested.

It really is something that they were so competing with Linux, at
first, as if it was some kind of threat to their existence. Only to
become involved in deploying it themselves, as time went on. The
frenzied period when Windows was rising in the industry made them
think they were the heart of computing, and somehow Linux was unfairly
challenging that because it was free. But I guess we let bygones be
bygones, now that you can run Linux within Win11. I can accept that,
but it doesn't magically make Win11 worth using, anyway, I'm
intelligent enough to handle Linux on its own.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 8/8/2024 8:19 PM, Joel wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 09:50:43 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>
>>> ... as long as we keep politics OUT of Linux.
>>
>> The idea of Free software is seen by some as political, though. A few
>> decades ago, there was some idiot guy who was trying to sue to get the GPL
>> declared monopolistic and anticompetitive.
>>
>> Ah, found his name: Daniel Wallace.
>
>
> Weird, what a crackpot, as if it's anticompetitive to release free
> software, what would he have them do? Just stupid.

"Dumping occurs when a foreign producer sells a product in the United
States at a price that is below that producer's sales price in the
country of origin ("home market"), or at a price that is lower than the
cost of production."

https://enforcement.trade.gov/intro/index.html#:~:text=Dumping

By that definition openSUSE - for one example - is being dumped in the US.

Why foreign FOSS developers get away with such unfair and
anticompetitive activity in the US I don't know.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 8/8/2024 8:19 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 09:50:43 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... as long as we keep politics OUT of Linux.
>>>
>>> The idea of Free software is seen by some as political, though. A few
>>> decades ago, there was some idiot guy who was trying to sue to get the GPL
>>> declared monopolistic and anticompetitive.
>>>
>>> Ah, found his name: Daniel Wallace.
>>
>> Weird, what a crackpot, as if it's anticompetitive to release free
>> software, what would he have them do? Just stupid.
>
>"Dumping occurs when a foreign producer sells a product in the United
>States at a price that is below that producer's sales price in the
>country of origin ("home market"), or at a price that is lower than the
>cost of production."
>
>https://enforcement.trade.gov/intro/index.html#:~:text=Dumping
>
>
>By that definition openSUSE - for one example - is being dumped in the US.
>
>Why foreign FOSS developers get away with such unfair and
>anticompetitive activity in the US I don't know.

And *I'm* the one on drugs? OK ...

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 8/9/2024 12:39 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 8/8/2024 8:19 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 09:50:43 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ... as long as we keep politics OUT of Linux.
>>>>
>>>> The idea of Free software is seen by some as political, though. A few
>>>> decades ago, there was some idiot guy who was trying to sue to get the GPL
>>>> declared monopolistic and anticompetitive.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, found his name: Daniel Wallace.
>>>
>>> Weird, what a crackpot, as if it's anticompetitive to release free
>>> software, what would he have them do? Just stupid.
>>
>> "Dumping occurs when a foreign producer sells a product in the United
>> States at a price that is below that producer's sales price in the
>> country of origin ("home market"), or at a price that is lower than the
>> cost of production."
>>
>> https://enforcement.trade.gov/intro/index.html#:~:text=Dumping
>>
>>
>> By that definition openSUSE - for one example - is being dumped in the US.
>>
>> Why foreign FOSS developers get away with such unfair and
>> anticompetitive activity in the US I don't know.
>
>
> And *I'm* the one on drugs? OK ...

Last time I noted how unfair and anticompetitive FOSS is (or can be),
you pussed out and ran away.

<6672cfb8$0$2422111$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>

On 8/9/2024 2:35 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 11:26:06 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> Why foreign FOSS developers get away with such unfair and
>> anticompetitive activity in the US I don't know.
>
> I'm sure since you don't know jack shit...

Love all that evidence you brought!

On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 11:26:06 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Why foreign FOSS developers get away with such unfair and
> anticompetitive activity in the US I don't know.

It’s so unfair. It’s like the US cannot make its own FOSS.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>
>> (idiocy snipped)
>
> It’s so unfair. It’s like the US cannot make its own FOSS.

and it's like the dumb fsck couldn't get a life outside being a
shameless public jackasshole.

--
'A better question is why can't the inferior Linux hobby "community"
get together and make their own video card?' - some dumb fsck