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> On 12 May 2024 22:49:56 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> I have no idea. I tried liking KDE but never could. Even back in the
>> late 90s and early 2000s when it looked better than Gnome, I could never
>> really get into it.
>
> I've got the Fedora KDE spin on one machine. I prefer it to the Ubuntu on
> my main machine. Some of that preference goes back to the dawn of time. I
> truly disliked GTK and preferred Qt although the trolls managed to really
> screw up the licensing.
>
> My problem with GTK started with its verbosity. I don't mind snake case
> but stuff like
>
> gtk_create_a_new_push_button_with_rounded_corners()
>
> gets old. (not a real function afaik) PySide6 can be set up to use snake
> case to be more 'Pythonic' but at this point I hit too many places where
> you need to use Qt camel case to bother with it.

I used Gtkmm (v. 2) quite a bit in an application that I later ported to Qt. I
like 'em both, generally. Some things I like better about Gtkmm.

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On 13 May 2024 12:25:34 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> Back in 2012, the processors weren't as fast, I guess. I should mention
> I was using a Core i3 330M at the time.

The mobile processors sacrificed performance to keep the power
requirements down. I'm running Fedora on a Core i5-4590, the best 2014
technology. It does okay running Plasma.

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 21:43 this Thursday (GMT):
> On Thu, 09 May 2024 18:22:22 +0000, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On 09 May 2024 15:58:59 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> GIMP, for one. The interface is very confusing to anyone who's used
>>> better software.
>>
>> If I ever used PhotoShop it was years ago so I can't compare GIMP
>> directly. I've only used GIMP for light editing of png icons but that
>> was enough to make me loathe it. If I had to do image editing more than
>> very rarely I'd be looking for a more usable tool.
>
> I use it from time to time to do some light editng or to simply convert a
> Webp file to a format that isn't total shite.

For simple conversions, imagemagick would probably be faster.
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vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote at 23:42 this Thursday (GMT):
> On Thu, 9 May 2024 11:47:23 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
> wrote in <v1ir6d$o14n$1@dont-email.me>:
[snip]
>> I wouldn't ding small open-source team for being slow in responding to bugs, as
>> they may have other more important things on their plate.
>>
>> I will note one responsive project: Meson, on GitHub. Meson was using a file
>> called "meson_options.txt" to hold default values for project options. I wrote
>> up an issue about it (as had others earlier, apparently), and I noted that
>> the "txt" extension is too generic, and that I edited my /etc/DIR_COLORS file
>> so that I could grok a directory listing faster. And in version 1.1 IIRC,
>> voila, there was meson.options to supplement meson.build.
>
> I posted an issue for gmime yesterday, and ended up in a dialogue
> with the lead developer.
>
> Pan users will note that I was bird-dogging a problem that has plagued
> pan since they moved to gmime for handling headers -- currently,
> Newsgroups: lines don't wrap properly, and get MIME-encoded
> if they are too long. News servers choke on that. (My C is too rusty
> to fix it easily, but I can see where the fix should go.)

That explains why I see random MIME messages..
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On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:50:17 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:

> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 21:43 this Thursday (GMT):
>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 18:22:22 +0000, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On 09 May 2024 15:58:59 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> GIMP, for one. The interface is very confusing to anyone who's used
>>>> better software.
>>>
>>> If I ever used PhotoShop it was years ago so I can't compare GIMP
>>> directly. I've only used GIMP for light editing of png icons but that
>>> was enough to make me loathe it. If I had to do image editing more
>>> than very rarely I'd be looking for a more usable tool.
>>
>> I use it from time to time to do some light editng or to simply convert
>> a Webp file to a format that isn't total shite.
>
>
> For simple conversions, imagemagick would probably be faster.

Yeah, but I don't believe that it is available in Windows.

On 5/14/2024 8:55 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:50:17 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:

>> For simple conversions, imagemagick would probably be faster.
>
> Yeah, but I don't believe that it is available in Windows.

Very Feebish - except that numbnut would just flat out lie that it's not
available for Windows.

https://imagemagick.org/script/download.php#windows

Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:50:17 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 21:43 this Thursday (GMT):
>>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 18:22:22 +0000, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 09 May 2024 15:58:59 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> GIMP, for one. The interface is very confusing to anyone who's used
>>>>> better software.
>>>>
>>>> If I ever used PhotoShop it was years ago so I can't compare GIMP
>>>> directly. I've only used GIMP for light editing of png icons but that
>>>> was enough to make me loathe it. If I had to do image editing more
>>>> than very rarely I'd be looking for a more usable tool.
>>>
>>> I use it from time to time to do some light editng or to simply convert
>>> a Webp file to a format that isn't total shite.
>>
>>
>> For simple conversions, imagemagick would probably be faster.
>
> Yeah, but I don't believe that it is available in Windows.

I'm pretty sure it is. We used it in our project (circa 2010...)
to convert certain types of document (and OpenOffice/Libreoffice) for
converting other types.

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On Tue, 14 May 2024 11:07:40 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:50:17 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 21:43 this Thursday (GMT):
>>>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 18:22:22 +0000, rbowman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 09 May 2024 15:58:59 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> GIMP, for one. The interface is very confusing to anyone who's used
>>>>>> better software.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I ever used PhotoShop it was years ago so I can't compare GIMP
>>>>> directly. I've only used GIMP for light editing of png icons but
>>>>> that was enough to make me loathe it. If I had to do image editing
>>>>> more than very rarely I'd be looking for a more usable tool.
>>>>
>>>> I use it from time to time to do some light editng or to simply
>>>> convert a Webp file to a format that isn't total shite.
>>>
>>>
>>> For simple conversions, imagemagick would probably be faster.
>>
>> Yeah, but I don't believe that it is available in Windows.
>
> I'm pretty sure it is. We used it in our project (circa 2010...)
> to convert certain types of document (and OpenOffice/Libreoffice) for
> converting other types.

You are correct, sir. I'm downloading it as we speak. I last used it to
reduce the size of my wedding photos (which was a bad idea, looking back)
around 2011. Luckily, I still had the original on a DVD.

On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:50:18 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
<candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote in
<v1ug0q$3tlkd$22@dont-email.me>:

> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote at 23:42 this Thursday (GMT):
>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 11:47:23 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
>> <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
>> wrote in <v1ir6d$o14n$1@dont-email.me>:
> [snip]
>>> I wouldn't ding small open-source team for being slow in responding to
>>> bugs, as they may have other more important things on their plate.
>>>
>>> I will note one responsive project: Meson, on GitHub. Meson was using
>>> a file called "meson_options.txt" to hold default values for project
>>> options. I wrote up an issue about it (as had others earlier,
>>> apparently), and I noted that the "txt" extension is too generic, and
>>> that I edited my /etc/DIR_COLORS file so that I could grok a directory
>>> listing faster. And in version 1.1 IIRC, voila, there was
>>> meson.options to supplement meson.build.
>>
>> I posted an issue for gmime yesterday, and ended up in a dialogue with
>> the lead developer.
>>
>> Pan users will note that I was bird-dogging a problem that has plagued
>> pan since they moved to gmime for handling headers -- currently,
>> Newsgroups: lines don't wrap properly, and get MIME-encoded if they are
>> too long. News servers choke on that. (My C is too rusty to fix it
>> easily, but I can see where the fix should go.)
>
>
> That explains why I see random MIME messages..

If you're talking about Usenet articles, they're all
supposed to be at least Mime 1.0 at this point, at least
to be RFC-compliant.

If you look around, you'll see most newsreaders post with
the header:

MIME-Version: 1.0

Along with Content-type: and Content-Transfer-Encoding:
headers.

(slrn is an exception, not the rule. It hasn't been
updated in over a decade, if I'm not mistaken.)

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vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:50:18 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
><candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote in
><v1ug0q$3tlkd$22@dont-email.me>:
>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote at 23:42 this Thursday (GMT):
>>>
>>> Pan users will note that I was bird-dogging a problem that has plagued
>>> pan since they moved to gmime for handling headers -- currently,
>>> Newsgroups: lines don't wrap properly, and get MIME-encoded if they are
>>> too long. News servers choke on that. (My C is too rusty to fix it
>>> easily, but I can see where the fix should go.)
>>
>> That explains why I see random MIME messages..
>
>If you're talking about Usenet articles, they're all
>supposed to be at least Mime 1.0 at this point, at least
>to be RFC-compliant.
>
>If you look around, you'll see most newsreaders post with
>the header:
>
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>
>Along with Content-type: and Content-Transfer-Encoding:
>headers.
>
>(slrn is an exception, not the rule. It hasn't been
>updated in over a decade, if I'm not mistaken.)

Agent 8 is about a decade old, but it's still what I know and like,
even under Wine. It's just a fully featured, commercial app, for
Usenet, not perfect by any means, but it's familiar and functional.

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DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 13:19 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On 5/14/2024 8:55 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:50:17 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>
>>> For simple conversions, imagemagick would probably be faster.
>>
>> Yeah, but I don't believe that it is available in Windows.
>
>
> Very Feebish - except that numbnut would just flat out lie that it's not
> available for Windows.
>
> https://imagemagick.org/script/download.php#windows

To be fair, I didn't know it was on Windows either..
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On 5/14/2024 3:50 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 13:19 this Tuesday (GMT):
>> On 5/14/2024 8:55 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:50:17 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> For simple conversions, imagemagick would probably be faster.
>>>
>>> Yeah, but I don't believe that it is available in Windows.
>>
>>
>> Very Feebish - except that numbnut would just flat out lie that it's not
>> available for Windows.
>>
>> https://imagemagick.org/script/download.php#windows
>
>
> To be fair, I didn't know it was on Windows either..

"ImageMagick was originally designed to display RGB images to an X
Windows server."

Nowadays it's rare to see FOSS software not available for Windows.

On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:42:34 -0000 (UTC), vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote
in <v1jn1a$smg8$1@dont-email.me>:

> On Thu, 9 May 2024 11:47:23 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
> <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
> wrote in <v1ir6d$o14n$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 04:34:14 +0000, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 8 May 2024 19:39:09 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here's what I posted to cola Apr 2019, when running Solus Linux with
>>>>> the Budgie desktop.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budgie_(desktop_environment)
>>>>
>>>> Could you possibly find a more obscure/fucked up distro?
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, I appreciate that DFS is looking for minuscule
>>> problems in Linux and pointing them out. You can't make anything
>>> better if you're not going to be honest about its flaws.
>>> Unfortunately, even after he points out the flaws and submits bug
>>> reports, the developers don't seem to do anything to fix it.
>>
>> That's a project problem, not a platform problem.
>>
>> Microsoft itself seems to treat issue reports in a similar manner to
>> bad projects. So often in a Microsoft help forum, you'll get
>> non-answers or no answers, with user's getting plaintive about the lack
>> of help.
>>
>> Other companies act the same, all too often.
>>
>> I wouldn't ding small open-source team for being slow in responding to
>> bugs, as they may have other more important things on their plate.
>>
>> I will note one responsive project: Meson, on GitHub. Meson was using a
>> file called "meson_options.txt" to hold default values for project
>> options. I wrote up an issue about it (as had others earlier,
>> apparently), and I noted that the "txt" extension is too generic, and
>> that I edited my /etc/DIR_COLORS file so that I could grok a directory
>> listing faster. And in version 1.1 IIRC, voila, there was meson.options
>> to supplement meson.build.
>
> I posted an issue for gmime yesterday, and ended up in a dialogue with
> the lead developer.
>
> Pan users will note that I was bird-dogging a problem that has plagued
> pan since they moved to gmime for handling headers -- currently,
> Newsgroups: lines don't wrap properly, and get MIME-encoded if they are
> too long. News servers choke on that. (My C is too rusty to fix it
> easily, but I can see where the fix should go.)

commit a57bcaac6fd9c0a35ab2214c283c2592beb7f663
[...]
Date: Sat May 11 11:07:03 2024 -0400

Added custom formatter for the Newsgroups: header.

Fixes issue #162
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'twas tweaked by someone at Microsoft. Consider that.

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