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Subject: I installed openSUSE Leap
From: Joel Crump
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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2024 01:13 UTC

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It's nothing like Mint but it is acceptable. I ran into snags trying to
switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x, Ubuntu 24.04 was not amazing.

--
Joel W. Crump

Subject: Re: I installed openSUSE Leap
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On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 21:13:08 -0400, Joel Crump wrote:

> I ran into snags trying to switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x ...

I think Mint wants you to do a fresh install with each new version, they
don’t support upgrading in-place as such.

Subject: Re: I installed openSUSE Leap
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On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 02:46:50 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v8peep$fi30$4@dont-email.me>:

> On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 21:13:08 -0400, Joel Crump wrote:
>
>> I ran into snags trying to switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x ...
>
> I think Mint wants you to do a fresh install with each new version, they
> don’t support upgrading in-place as such.

Used to be like that. Now they have a tool, can't think of
the name off the top of my head.

I'm not upgrading Mint yet, personally, because I've heard of
too many troubles with it so far.

--
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OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc1 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"Profanity is the one language all programmers know best."

Subject: Re: I installed openSUSE Leap
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On 2024-08-04 11:06 p.m., vallor wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 02:46:50 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v8peep$fi30$4@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 21:13:08 -0400, Joel Crump wrote:
>>
>>> I ran into snags trying to switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x ...
>>
>> I think Mint wants you to do a fresh install with each new version, they
>> don’t support upgrading in-place as such.
>
> Used to be like that. Now they have a tool, can't think of
> the name off the top of my head.
>
> I'm not upgrading Mint yet, personally, because I've heard of
> too many troubles with it so far.

I'm switching subjects but I remember you being a fan of Fallout. Did
you get the free Fallout London game from GOG?

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

Subject: Re: I installed openSUSE Leap
From: Joel
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Joel Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>It's nothing like Mint but it is acceptable. I ran into snags trying to
>switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x, Ubuntu 24.04 was not amazing.

Got Wine installed. This is getting pretty good, I have to say.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: I installed openSUSE Leap
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On 8/5/2024 12:46 PM, Joel Crump wrote:
> On 8/4/24 22:46, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>>> I ran into snags trying to switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x ...
>>
>> I think Mint wants you to do a fresh install with each new version, they
>> don’t support upgrading in-place as such.
>
>
> I had problems with in-place upgrade and with installing clean from a
> USB media, so I decided to go to another distro.

Windows 11?

Subject: Re: I installed openSUSE Leap
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DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 8/5/2024 12:46 PM, Joel Crump wrote:
>> On 8/4/24 22:46, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>>> I ran into snags trying to switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x ...
>>>
>>> I think Mint wants you to do a fresh install with each new version, they
>>> don’t support upgrading in-place as such.
>>
>> I had problems with in-place upgrade and with installing clean from a
>> USB media, so I decided to go to another distro.
>
>Windows 11?

It's in the Subject line, openSUSE Leap.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 8/5/2024 12:46 PM, Joel Crump wrote:
>>> On 8/4/24 22:46, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I ran into snags trying to switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x ...
>>>>
>>>> I think Mint wants you to do a fresh install with each new version, they
>>>> don’t support upgrading in-place as such.
>>>
>>> I had problems with in-place upgrade and with installing clean from a
>>> USB media, so I decided to go to another distro.
>>
>> Windows 11?
>
>
> It's in the Subject line, openSUSE Leap.
>
if you spoke english would you blow up like robbie the robot

Subject: Games on Linux (was: Re: I installed openSUSE Leap)
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On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 07:00:08 -0400, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote in
<Yg2sO.72010$loRc.2867@fx11.iad>:

> On 2024-08-04 11:06 p.m., vallor wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 02:46:50 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v8peep$fi30$4@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 21:13:08 -0400, Joel Crump wrote:
>>>
>>>> I ran into snags trying to switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x ...
>>>
>>> I think Mint wants you to do a fresh install with each new version,
>>> they don’t support upgrading in-place as such.
>>
>> Used to be like that. Now they have a tool, can't think of the name
>> off the top of my head.
>>
>> I'm not upgrading Mint yet, personally, because I've heard of too many
>> troubles with it so far.
>
> I'm switching subjects but I remember you being a fan of Fallout. Did
> you get the free Fallout London game from GOG?

Not yet. Disappointed upon hearing about the requirement that you need to
downgrade Fallout 4 to add it. I don't have that much interest.

Haven't played Fallout in ages anyway. Plenty of new games in the
queue -- just downloaded "Fort Solis", which is an atmospheric spooky
Mars adventure.

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc2 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"Real men write self-modifying code."

Subject: Re: I installed openSUSE Leap
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On 2024-08-05 7:59 p.m., DFS wrote:
> On 8/5/2024 12:46 PM, Joel Crump wrote:
>> On 8/4/24 22:46, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>>> I ran into snags trying to switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x ...
>>>
>>> I think Mint wants you to do a fresh install with each new version, they
>>> don’t support upgrading in-place as such.
>>
>>
>> I had problems with in-place upgrade and with installing clean from a
>> USB media, so I decided to go to another distro.
>
> Windows 11?

Oh look, he has admitted to having a problem some of us have been
warning he would have for years. Distro hopping won't accomplish
anything, Jesus Crump. It only gives you false hope that things might be
greener on the neighbour's lawn.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

Subject: Re: Games on Linux
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On 2024-08-05 8:50 p.m., vallor wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 07:00:08 -0400, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote in
> <Yg2sO.72010$loRc.2867@fx11.iad>:
>
>> On 2024-08-04 11:06 p.m., vallor wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 02:46:50 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v8peep$fi30$4@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 21:13:08 -0400, Joel Crump wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I ran into snags trying to switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x ...
>>>>
>>>> I think Mint wants you to do a fresh install with each new version,
>>>> they don’t support upgrading in-place as such.
>>>
>>> Used to be like that. Now they have a tool, can't think of the name
>>> off the top of my head.
>>>
>>> I'm not upgrading Mint yet, personally, because I've heard of too many
>>> troubles with it so far.
>>
>> I'm switching subjects but I remember you being a fan of Fallout. Did
>> you get the free Fallout London game from GOG?
>
> Not yet. Disappointed upon hearing about the requirement that you need to
> downgrade Fallout 4 to add it. I don't have that much interest.
>
> Haven't played Fallout in ages anyway. Plenty of new games in the
> queue -- just downloaded "Fort Solis", which is an atmospheric spooky
> Mars adventure.

I just finished the insanely fun Shadow Warrior 2 so I'm gearing up to
start Tiny Tina's Wonderlands tomorrow. It's basically Borderlands but
with medieval weaponry, from what I've seen. The only reasons I'm not
bothering with Fallout London are because I just spent most of the
summer playing Fallout 4 again and because it is apparently very buggy
at the moment.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

Subject: Re: I installed openSUSE Leap
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 21:15:16 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Distro hopping won't accomplish anything ...

Says the one who can have any OS as long as it’s Dimdows.

The phrase “sour grapes” comes to mind ...

Subject: Re: I installed openSUSE Leap
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CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>On 2024-08-05 7:59 p.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 8/5/2024 12:46 PM, Joel Crump wrote:
>>> On 8/4/24 22:46, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I ran into snags trying to switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x ...
>>>>
>>>> I think Mint wants you to do a fresh install with each new version, they
>>>> don’t support upgrading in-place as such.
>>>
>>> I had problems with in-place upgrade and with installing clean from a
>>> USB media, so I decided to go to another distro.
>>
>> Windows 11?
>
>Oh look, he has admitted to having a problem some of us have been
>warning he would have for years. Distro hopping won't accomplish
>anything, Jesus Crump. It only gives you false hope that things might be
>greener on the neighbour's lawn.

You'd be wrong, doofus, I am liking openSUSE. If I were just giving
up, I'd keep running Mint 21.x. I am not doing that, though, I am
winning, by learning something new and trying something different.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 21:15:16 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Distro hopping won't accomplish anything ...
>
>Says the one who can have any OS as long as it’s Dimdows.
>
>The phrase “sour grapes” comes to mind ...

He's being an idiot, I'm not "distro hopping", this is something I'd
had as a potential plan all along, if I needed to move away from Mint.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: I installed openSUSE Leap
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Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>On 2024-08-05 7:59 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>> On 8/5/2024 12:46 PM, Joel Crump wrote:
>>>> On 8/4/24 22:46, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I ran into snags trying to switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Mint wants you to do a fresh install with each new version, they
>>>>> don’t support upgrading in-place as such.
>>>>
>>>> I had problems with in-place upgrade and with installing clean from a
>>>> USB media, so I decided to go to another distro.
>>>
>>> Windows 11?
>>
>>Oh look, he has admitted to having a problem some of us have been
>>warning he would have for years. Distro hopping won't accomplish
>>anything, Jesus Crump. It only gives you false hope that things might be
>>greener on the neighbour's lawn.
>
> You'd be wrong, doofus, I am liking openSUSE. If I were just giving
> up, I'd keep running Mint 21.x. I am not doing that, though, I am
> winning, by learning something new and trying something different.

Better than being stuck on Windows:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/08/05/microsoft-warning-for-14-billion-windows-10-users-windows-11-free-upgrade/

Microsoft Update Warning—70% Of All Windows Users Now At Risk

I detect a certain reticence in Windows users to upgrade from 10 to 11 :-)

--
You are always busy.

Subject: Re: I installed openSUSE Leap
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On 2024-08-06 6:41 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-08-05 7:59 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>> On 8/5/2024 12:46 PM, Joel Crump wrote:
>>>>> On 8/4/24 22:46, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I ran into snags trying to switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think Mint wants you to do a fresh install with each new version, they
>>>>>> don’t support upgrading in-place as such.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had problems with in-place upgrade and with installing clean from a
>>>>> USB media, so I decided to go to another distro.
>>>>
>>>> Windows 11?
>>>
>>> Oh look, he has admitted to having a problem some of us have been
>>> warning he would have for years. Distro hopping won't accomplish
>>> anything, Jesus Crump. It only gives you false hope that things might be
>>> greener on the neighbour's lawn.
>>
>> You'd be wrong, doofus, I am liking openSUSE. If I were just giving
>> up, I'd keep running Mint 21.x. I am not doing that, though, I am
>> winning, by learning something new and trying something different.
>
> Better than being stuck on Windows:
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/08/05/microsoft-warning-for-14-billion-windows-10-users-windows-11-free-upgrade/
>
> Microsoft Update Warning—70% Of All Windows Users Now At Risk
>
> I detect a certain reticence in Windows users to upgrade from 10 to 11 :-)

Oh no! People who never update their systems might be vulnerable to an
exploit created after the vulnerability was already patched!

Unfortunately, my wife is among the people who doesn't believe in
updating regularly. That's why I am in favour of Home users being forced
to update. However, such problems can also impact Linux users who refuse
to update their own systems.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

Subject: Re: I installed openSUSE Leap
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Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 10:41 this Tuesday (GMT):
> Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>On 2024-08-05 7:59 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>> On 8/5/2024 12:46 PM, Joel Crump wrote:
>>>>> On 8/4/24 22:46, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I ran into snags trying to switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think Mint wants you to do a fresh install with each new version, they
>>>>>> don’t support upgrading in-place as such.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had problems with in-place upgrade and with installing clean from a
>>>>> USB media, so I decided to go to another distro.
>>>>
>>>> Windows 11?
>>>
>>>Oh look, he has admitted to having a problem some of us have been
>>>warning he would have for years. Distro hopping won't accomplish
>>>anything, Jesus Crump. It only gives you false hope that things might be
>>>greener on the neighbour's lawn.
>>
>> You'd be wrong, doofus, I am liking openSUSE. If I were just giving
>> up, I'd keep running Mint 21.x. I am not doing that, though, I am
>> winning, by learning something new and trying something different.
>
> Better than being stuck on Windows:
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/08/05/microsoft-warning-for-14-billion-windows-10-users-windows-11-free-upgrade/
>
> Microsoft Update Warning—70% Of All Windows Users Now At Risk
>
> I detect a certain reticence in Windows users to upgrade from 10 to 11 :-)

People are reluctant to go to W11 for good reason.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

Subject: Re: I installed openSUSE Leap
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On 2024-08-06, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-08-06 6:41 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-08-05 7:59 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>> On 8/5/2024 12:46 PM, Joel Crump wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/4/24 22:46, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ran into snags trying to switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think Mint wants you to do a fresh install with each new version, they
>>>>>>> don’t support upgrading in-place as such.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had problems with in-place upgrade and with installing clean from a
>>>>>> USB media, so I decided to go to another distro.
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows 11?
>>>>
>>>> Oh look, he has admitted to having a problem some of us have been
>>>> warning he would have for years. Distro hopping won't accomplish
>>>> anything, Jesus Crump. It only gives you false hope that things might be
>>>> greener on the neighbour's lawn.
>>>
>>> You'd be wrong, doofus, I am liking openSUSE. If I were just giving
>>> up, I'd keep running Mint 21.x. I am not doing that, though, I am
>>> winning, by learning something new and trying something different.
>>
>> Better than being stuck on Windows:
>>
>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/08/05/microsoft-warning-for-14-billion-windows-10-users-windows-11-free-upgrade/
>>
>> Microsoft Update Warning—70% Of All Windows Users Now At Risk
>>
>> I detect a certain reticence in Windows users to upgrade from 10 to 11 :-)
>
> Oh no! People who never update their systems might be vulnerable to an
> exploit created after the vulnerability was already patched!
>
> Unfortunately, my wife is among the people who doesn't believe in
> updating regularly. That's why I am in favour of Home users being forced
> to update. However, such problems can also impact Linux users who refuse
> to update their own systems.

Definitely NOT in favor of home users being forced to update. Too many
problems have been introduced into Windows from updates that weren't ready
for prime time. Twice my wife's Windows 10 computer BSOD'd after updates and
it had to be completely "rebuilt." (Thankfully I was able to save her data
using a live Linux USB.) Every time her old laptop updated there were issues
that had to be fixed. So, no, I don't want Microsoft hobbyware forcing
updates on my wife's computers. I don't need the problems.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

Subject: Re: I installed openSUSE Leap
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Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

>> I am liking openSUSE. If I were just giving
>> up, I'd keep running Mint 21.x. I am not doing that, though, I am
>> winning, by learning something new and trying something different.
>
>Better than being stuck on Windows:
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/08/05/microsoft-warning-for-14-billion-windows-10-users-windows-11-free-upgrade/
>
> Microsoft Update Warning—70% Of All Windows Users Now At Risk
>
>I detect a certain reticence in Windows users to upgrade from 10 to 11 :-)

I'd try 1000 distros before I went back to Windows 11.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 06:41:26 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> I detect a certain reticence in Windows users to upgrade from 10 to 11

It was a forced upgrade for the company machines with a plus of often
getting a new box if the old one wasn't eligible. To stay consistent I
upgraded my personal Windows laptop.

At least it wasn't as horrible as the upgrades I avoided, Vista and
Windows 8. For the average user 10 is fine until the point where newer
apps won't run on it. That was the deciding factor for me to put Linux on
a former Windows 7 box.

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On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 08:24:46 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> However, such problems can also impact Linux users who refuse
> to update their own systems.

Linux is a bit better-behaved in this regard, though: easier to
troubleshoot when things go wrong, and easier to prevent problems up
front.

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On 8/6/2024 2:09 PM, Joel wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>
>>> I am liking openSUSE. If I were just giving
>>> up, I'd keep running Mint 21.x. I am not doing that, though, I am
>>> winning, by learning something new and trying something different.
>>
>> Better than being stuck on Windows:
>>
>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/08/05/microsoft-warning-for-14-billion-windows-10-users-windows-11-free-upgrade/
>>
>> Microsoft Update Warning—70% Of All Windows Users Now At Risk
>>
>> I detect a certain reticence in Windows users to upgrade from 10 to 11 :-)
>
>
> I'd try 1000 distros before I went back to Windows 11.

Sadly, you CAN actually try 1000 Linux distros.

I wrote a ditty about it years ago:

D is for distro, a pile of crap code
They multiply like roaches and they're free to download
You can try one a day for the rest of your life
Some geeks prefer it to having a wife

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DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 8/6/2024 2:09 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>
>>> I detect a certain reticence in Windows users to upgrade from 10 to 11 :-)
>>
>> I'd try 1000 distros before I went back to Windows 11.
>
>Sadly, you CAN actually try 1000 Linux distros.
>
>I wrote a ditty about it years ago:
>
>D is for distro, a pile of crap code
>They multiply like roaches and they're free to download
>You can try one a day for the rest of your life
>Some geeks prefer it to having a wife

Yeah, well, back to reality, I'm doing fine with openSUSE.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 09:15:11 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 8/6/2024 2:09 PM, Joel wrote:
>
>> I'd try 1000 distros before I went back to Windows 11.
>
> Sadly, you CAN actually try 1000 Linux distros.

And switch between them quite easily. Open-source developers see
themselves as cooperating, not competing, with each other.

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 09:15:11 -0400, DFS wrote:
>> On 8/6/2024 2:09 PM, Joel wrote:
>>
>>> I'd try 1000 distros before I went back to Windows 11.
>>
>> Sadly, you CAN actually try 1000 Linux distros.
>
>And switch between them quite easily. Open-source developers see
>themselves as cooperating, not competing, with each other.

If only it were that simple.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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