Ohio Senator J.D. Vance introduced a bill during the 1st session of the
118th Congress that would, if passed, cost American taxpayers billions of
dollars, run in the face of climate change, and would sell all of us out to
the oil and gas industry. Vance, once a critic of Trump�s firebrand
�America�s Hitler� image, has cozied up to him in dramatic fashion,
reinventing himself from a Never Trumper to MAGA with direct help from
Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk. A big part of that reinvention was a shift to
climate denialism and Trump-style populism, both of which are on full view
in his proposed Drive American Act.

As recently as 2020 Vance was seen praising solar energy and begged for a
�clean energy future� to cure the �climate problem in our society.� When it
became clear to him that he�d need Donald Trump�s endorsement to win the
Ohio senate race, he began a dramatic shift his positions on climate
denialism and fossil fuels. This bill proved to Trump that Vance would kiss
the ring in exchange for power, killing the old Vance to grow a new one in
his image.

The Drive American Act seeks to gut the Biden administration�s electric
vehicle tax rebate program, with the first half of the bill undoing the
program altogether. In the latter half of the bill, Vance proposes that
American taxpayers follow him into a ridiculously circular logic that would
instead place up to a $7,500 rebate on all new gasoline- and diesel-powered
cars, trucks, and SUVs. Vehicles with larger payloads and more seats would
be eligible for more of the incentive. In order to take advantage of this,
you�d need to live in a household making less than $300,000, and the
vehicle could not exceed $80,00o. Both �limits� are well north of average.

Americans are buying more electric vehicles than ever before, expected to
exceed ten percent of all new cars sold in the country this year. That is,
in part, due to the successful incentive program which promotes American-
made and union-made vehicles and components over all others. Vance�s bill
would instead push Americans into bigger and more expensive gas-guzzling
SUVs and pickup trucks. In order to achieve the full $7,500 credit under
the Drive American Act, your new purchase would have to be able to haul a
big load and lots of people.

As the bill is written, each American-assembled vehicle sold powered by gas
or diesel would automatically qualify for a $2,500 price reduction. There
is an additional incentive of $500 �for every 250 pounds of payload
capacity in excess of 1,000 pounds,� meaning a vehicle with a payload of
2,500 pounds would qualify for an extra $3,000 rebate. The final incentive
structure would give an extra $1,000 for each additional seat in vehicles
with seating capacity more than 4. A seven-seat vehicle would qualify for a
$3,000 bonus. Both bonus incentives are capped at a collective $5,000,
meaning you could have a truck with 3,500 pounds of payload capacity hit
the full $7,500, or a seven-seat SUV with at least 2,000 pounds of payload
capacity.

There are approximately 11 million new vehicles produced in the United
States every year, and about 1.6 million of those are destined for export.
With an average transaction price on new cars in the U.S. now running at
around $47,000 we can assume that at least 80 percent of cars sold are
under the $80,000 threshold. In May EVs and plug-in hybrids made up around
seven percent of total U.S. new car sales. For the purposes of this
exercise, we�ll estimate that 6,993,600 American-made gas and diesel
vehicles are eligible for at least the base $2,500 amount.

There�s almost no vehicles on the road which would not qualify for at least
some amount of extra seat incentive or payload incentive. Even small sedans
like the Alabama-built Hyundai Elantra would get $3,500 back for having
five seats. Let�s assume the average incentive would be $5,000, for
argument�s sake.

If each of those 6,993,600 new cars made in America and sold to Americans
qualified for an average $5,000 incentive, it would add a massive
$34,968,000,000 to the national budget.

And to what end? What does J.D. Vance�s America get from pushing new gas
and diesel car sales? During his 2022 campaign J.D. Vance was one of the
top recipients of oil and gas contributions, getting a nearly $300,000 cash
injection in exchange for buying a mouthpiece.

Now if anyone could figure out Elon Musk�s motivations for personally
pushing climate denialist and electric car opponent Vance ever closer to
second-in-line for the presidency, and committing $45 million per month to
the cause, the story might get even more interesting.
Show all 121 comments

On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 16:20:05 -0000 (UTC), TrumpenFuehrer <HeilTrumpenFuehrer@gmail.com>
wrote:

If you had bothered to include the url for this article, I could have put my answer in the
comments.

>Ohio Senator J.D. Vance introduced a bill during the 1st session of the
>118th Congress that would, if passed, cost American taxpayers billions of
>dollars, run in the face of climate change, and would sell all of us out to
>the oil and gas industry. Vance, once a critic of Trump’s firebrand
>“America’s Hitler” image, has cozied up to him in dramatic fashion,
>reinventing himself from a Never Trumper to MAGA with direct help from
>Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk. A big part of that reinvention was a shift to
>climate denialism and Trump-style populism, both of which are on full view
>in his proposed Drive American Act.

Don't forget Peter Theil who bankrolled his Senate campaign. Vance was a nobody until
then.

>As recently as 2020 Vance was seen praising solar energy and begged for a
>“clean energy future” to cure the “climate problem in our society.” When it
>became clear to him that he’d need Donald Trump’s endorsement to win the
>Ohio senate race, he began a dramatic shift his positions on climate
>denialism and fossil fuels. This bill proved to Trump that Vance would kiss
>the ring in exchange for power, killing the old Vance to grow a new one in
>his image.
>
>The Drive American Act seeks to gut the Biden administration’s electric
>vehicle tax rebate program, with the first half of the bill undoing the
>program altogether. In the latter half of the bill, Vance proposes that
>American taxpayers follow him into a ridiculously circular logic that would
>instead place up to a $7,500 rebate on all new gasoline- and diesel-powered
>cars, trucks, and SUVs. Vehicles with larger payloads and more seats would
>be eligible for more of the incentive. In order to take advantage of this,
>you’d need to live in a household making less than $300,000, and the
>vehicle could not exceed $80,00o. Both “limits” are well north of average.
>
>Americans are buying more electric vehicles than ever before, expected to
>exceed ten percent of all new cars sold in the country this year. That is,
>in part, due to the successful incentive program which promotes American-
>made and union-made vehicles and components over all others. Vance’s bill
>would instead push Americans into bigger and more expensive gas-guzzling
>SUVs and pickup trucks. In order to achieve the full $7,500 credit under
>the Drive American Act, your new purchase would have to be able to haul a
>big load and lots of people.
>
>As the bill is written, each American-assembled vehicle sold powered by gas
>or diesel would automatically qualify for a $2,500 price reduction. There
>is an additional incentive of $500 “for every 250 pounds of payload
>capacity in excess of 1,000 pounds,” meaning a vehicle with a payload of
>2,500 pounds would qualify for an extra $3,000 rebate. The final incentive
>structure would give an extra $1,000 for each additional seat in vehicles
>with seating capacity more than 4. A seven-seat vehicle would qualify for a
>$3,000 bonus. Both bonus incentives are capped at a collective $5,000,
>meaning you could have a truck with 3,500 pounds of payload capacity hit
>the full $7,500, or a seven-seat SUV with at least 2,000 pounds of payload
>capacity.
>
>There are approximately 11 million new vehicles produced in the United
>States every year, and about 1.6 million of those are destined for export.
>With an average transaction price on new cars in the U.S. now running at
>around $47,000 we can assume that at least 80 percent of cars sold are
>under the $80,000 threshold. In May EVs and plug-in hybrids made up around
>seven percent of total U.S. new car sales. For the purposes of this
>exercise, we’ll estimate that 6,993,600 American-made gas and diesel
>vehicles are eligible for at least the base $2,500 amount.
>
>There’s almost no vehicles on the road which would not qualify for at least
>some amount of extra seat incentive or payload incentive. Even small sedans
>like the Alabama-built Hyundai Elantra would get $3,500 back for having
>five seats. Let’s assume the average incentive would be $5,000, for
>argument’s sake.
>
>If each of those 6,993,600 new cars made in America and sold to Americans
>qualified for an average $5,000 incentive, it would add a massive
>$34,968,000,000 to the national budget.
>
>And to what end? What does J.D. Vance’s America get from pushing new gas
>and diesel car sales? During his 2022 campaign J.D. Vance was one of the
>top recipients of oil and gas contributions, getting a nearly $300,000 cash
>injection in exchange for buying a mouthpiece.
>
>Now if anyone could figure out Elon Musk’s motivations for personally
>pushing climate denialist and electric car opponent Vance ever closer to
>second-in-line for the presidency, and committing $45 million per month to
>the cause, the story might get even more interesting.
>Show all 121 comments

It was Theil, Musk's partner in Paypal more than Musk himself. It's always the invisible
partners that prevent us from taking appropriate action because these targets are hidden.

That said, Musk cares little for climate change other than finding ways to leverage it for
profit.

#nevertrump

Tik Tok vs Grindr
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XqeKxeFZniM

Governor Swill wrote:
> leverage it

YOUR DEATH THREATS AGAINST TRUMP ARE DOCUMENTED:

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A Terrell/Al
Feldhauser/Malte Runz and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Path:
eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!border-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.netnews.com!netnews.com!s1-4.netnews.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx10.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
Newsgroups:
talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.elections
Subject: Re: Triumphant Trump Photo After Assassination Attempt
Message-ID: <emo79jh20rlasuask9094vtlepuu5ui0av@4ax.com>
References: <1oKdnTc9CYmJlg77nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com>
<XnsB1AED5FEA65AA629555@185.151.15.160>
<ONIkO.102541$dFU1.83026@fx11.ams4> <XnsB1AF52A9CDF3B629555@185.151.15.190>
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Lines: 55
X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynews.com
Organization: Easynews - www.easynews.com
X-Complaints-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly.
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2024 10:38:43 -0400

Oh poor me I got shot at ...

Swill
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Path:
eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!border-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.netnews.com!s1-3.netnews.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx10.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
Newsgroups:
talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.elections
Subject: Re: Triumphant Trump Photo After Assassination Attempt
Message-ID: <4ln79j914cpespbrssonesbciii33ess3m@4ax.com>
References: <1oKdnTc9CYmJlg77nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com>
<XnsB1AED5FEA65AA629555@185.151.15.160>
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Lines: 31
X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynews.com
Organization: Easynews - www.easynews.com
X-Complaints-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly.
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2024 10:37:51 -0400

Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: AP Lies by Ommission About Identity of Invaders Charged with
Rape, Murder of 12-Year-Old
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 12:35:52 -0700
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 25
Message-ID: <v5f66o$1mps9$1@dont-email.me>
References: <v54h6j$39cuk$1@dont-email.me> <v54hrs$38mfs$18@dont-email.me>
<moKcnZP3dbqUm-r7nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@giganews.com>
<v58c4f$6squ$8@dont-email.me>
<v5df1n$1caue$1@dont-email.me> <v5edju$1hv3p$3@dont-email.me>
<tgrl7j14lbg6f9csput4jca09qqujgd9d5@4ax.com>
<v5erpf$1jkrf$20@dont-email.me>
<O9acnRiefIZol-b7nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 21:35:53 +0200 (CEST)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me;
posting-host="f3de9d0c1e618b255237332494133eec";
logging-data="1795977";
mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org";
posting-account="U2FsdGVkX195k8uMNmZfnyDG9tQmsu21WqljX3bfQxM="
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
Cancel-Lock: sha1:PNoPW9d+9gKJj0fX+YCk+YFslQg=
Content-Language: en-US
In-Reply-To: <O9acnRiefIZol-b7nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>
Xref: news.eternal-september.org alt.politics.immigration:383549
alt.politics.nationalism.white:10913 talk.politics.misc:1295918
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:3024985

> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.