On 4/25/2024 5:23 PM, shitv wrote:
> candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Joel wrote:
>>>
>>> They're entertaining, though.
>>
>> Yeah.
>
> Right? We used to have shit-brained freedom-hater in here who claimed
> to be a "true Linux advocate". This guy despised *all* of the
> principles of Free and Open Source Software!
>
> According to this asshole, there were "too many distros". Choice was
> "for the brain dead". Some "OSS committee" should have the power to
> decide what software is worked-on and made available to the public.

I had to lookup Hadron's comments about an "OSS committee". I found
two. One of them said:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
"There would be in the license, a caveat which forbids publishing a
distro until it has been approved by an OSS committee. This committee
would compare your distro to others to determine if it fills a need
other than bloating someones ego. This committee would be a voluntary
group consisting of people who are proven to have contributed positively
to Linux and OSS. Obviously that would exclude most people in COLA."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

It's a good idea. The GuhNoo world desperately needs adult supervision.
MS-haters are free to do what they want, but the resulting 1000+ distros
- the large majority of which are barely used - has been a gigantic
waste of time and effort.

It's a radical idea, but what if, in order to contribute to an existing
distro or FOSS project, you HAD to (no exceptions) work on an area
assigned to you by a central clearinghouse organization that matched
demand with skillset? All distros and FOSS projects and
developers/programmers would have to agree to such an arrangement, of
course.

Sure it's far-fetched and draconian, but hobbyist Linux kiddies with
anime avatars of 8-year-old kids need to be controlled so they can't
just do what they want, at their own leisurely pace.

For instance, despite contributions to LibreOffice from over 1000
people, the Base database component has been extremely substandard and
unchanged for years, while probably 200 new distros have been shat out
during the same time. What if LO put an entry in this "clearinghouse"
that specifically requested the listbox and combobox components of LO
Base form designer be enhanced with features that made it more
competitive with MS Access (specifically the ability to display and
access multiple columns of data)? As a developer with the necessary C++
skills, you get assigned this development task and that's what you work
on to completion. No pay, of course, or maybe a small bounty.

The big problem is it would feel too much like an adult job and not like
a hobby they don't have to take seriously and make real progress toward.

On Sun, 12 May 2024 13:39:22 -0400, DFS wrote:

> The GuhNoo world desperately needs adult supervision.
> MS-haters are free to do what they want, but the resulting 1000+ distros
> - the large majority of which are barely used - has been a gigantic
> waste of time and effort.

How many billions do you think all those distros have cost to produce?

Who do you think should be the ones to provide the “adult supervision”?
Should it be Microsoft or Apple to go around buying all these distros and
shutting them down? How much would that cost? What would stop new ones
from appearing?

> For instance, despite contributions to LibreOffice from over 1000
> people, the Base database component has been extremely substandard and
> unchanged for years ...

Really?? It can interface to powerful industrial-strength back-end DBMS
engines like MySQL/MariaDB and SQLite. What can Microsoft Access do?

On 5/17/2024 5:51 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 12 May 2024 13:39:22 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> The GuhNoo world desperately needs adult supervision.
>> MS-haters are free to do what they want, but the resulting 1000+ distros
>> - the large majority of which are barely used - has been a gigantic
>> waste of time and effort.
>
> How many billions do you think all those distros have cost to produce?
>
> Who do you think should be the ones to provide the “adult supervision”?

The Authority.

> Should it be Microsoft or Apple to go around buying all these distros and
> shutting them down? How much would that cost?

Buy them? They're worthless. And they're dead already. Nobody pays or
donates, and nobody uses them. If the devs had any shame they would've
removed them from the market a long time ago.

> What would stop new ones from appearing?

Devs having the personal dignity and self-control to not put out
derivative crapola.

>> For instance, despite contributions to LibreOffice from over 1000
>> people, the Base database component has been extremely substandard and
>> unchanged for years ...
>
> Really??

Yes, really.

> It can interface to powerful industrial-strength back-end DBMS
> engines like MySQL/MariaDB and SQLite. What can Microsoft Access do?

As well as also being able to connect to those same backends (via ODBC),
Access can do *endlessly* more than that crappy LO Base.

Here's a simple Access 2003 interface I built in Nov 2015 on top of a
few USDA food/nutrition tables (data stored in Access 2003 tables as well):

https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al

It has one tab control with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one
textbox, and small amounts of VBA code. Plus the special MS magic that
lets you make Access apps look very professional by setting properties
of the file.

To this day - at least 30 years after such functionality was available
in MS Access - that simple interface cannot be duplicated in LO Base.
Very likely it never will be.

The main issue with Access is the very limited Jet db engine, which last
I checked had a 2GB file size as a hard limit. That alone prompted me
to use SQLite as a data store for an Access app I built.

Access + VBA + ODBC + SQLite = sublime

PyQt + python + db connectors = also sublime, but Access has excellent
reporting built in.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Sun, 12 May 2024 13:39:22 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> The GuhNoo world desperately needs adult supervision.
>> MS-haters are free to do what they want, but the resulting 1000+ distros
>> - the large majority of which are barely used - has been a gigantic
>> waste of time and effort.
>
> How many billions do you think all those distros have cost to produce?
>
> Who do you think should be the ones to provide the “adult supervision”?
> Should it be Microsoft or Apple to go around buying all these distros and
> shutting them down? How much would that cost? What would stop new ones
> from appearing?
>
>> For instance, despite contributions to LibreOffice from over 1000
>> people, the Base database component has been extremely substandard and
>> unchanged for years ...
>
> Really?? It can interface to powerful industrial-strength back-end DBMS
> engines like MySQL/MariaDB and SQLite. What can Microsoft Access do?

Pretty much everything DFS says about Linux and Free Software is purblind.
Hidebound. Insular. Petty. Provincial. Constricted. Uncharitable.
Ungenerous. Creedbound. Shortsighted. Small.

(Thanks aiksaurus!)

--
This life is yours. Some of it was given to you; the rest, you made yourself.

On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:50:21 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 5/17/2024 5:51 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 May 2024 13:39:22 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> The GuhNoo world desperately needs adult supervision.
>>> MS-haters are free to do what they want, but the resulting 1000+
>>> distros - the large majority of which are barely used - has been a
>>> gigantic waste of time and effort.
>>
>> How many billions do you think all those distros have cost to produce?
>>
>> Who do you think should be the ones to provide the “adult supervision”?
>
> The Authority.
>
>
>> Should it be Microsoft or Apple to go around buying all these distros
>> and shutting them down? How much would that cost?
>
> Buy them? They're worthless. And they're dead already. Nobody pays or
> donates, and nobody uses them. If the devs had any shame they would've
> removed them from the market a long time ago.

Linux Mint gets a good chunk of donations in addition to their
sponsorships. The fact that they don't get more is actually problem:
losing the option of installing Linux will give way too much power to
Microsoft, Apple and Google to control where technology and by extension
the web is going. Look at what they did to the web once they got their
hands on it. Pop-ups, ads, spam and censorship. If you don't think
Microsoft, Apple and Google would put an end to your freedom of speech if
they got more power over technology, you're deluding yourself. Look at
what both Apple and Google have _already_ done in blacklisting apps from
their stores for daring to be conservative and believing in the First
Amendment of the Constitution.

>> What would stop new ones from appearing?
>
> Devs having the personal dignity and self-control to not put out
> derivative crapola.
>
>
>>> For instance, despite contributions to LibreOffice from over 1000
>>> people, the Base database component has been extremely substandard and
>>> unchanged for years ...
>>
>> Really??
>
> Yes, really.

How dare a free product that relies on donations not be on par with the
corporate suite for which hundreds of paid programers develop!

< snip >

On 18 May 2024 00:13:23 GMT, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote in
<6647f2a3$0$7077$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> Linux Mint gets a good chunk of donations in addition to their
> sponsorships.

As well they should. I donate to Mint -- it's a solid distro, and doesn't
get in my way when I personally want to push the envelope.

_ _ _ _ _ _ _
_[/home/vallor]_(vallor@lm)🐧_
$ egrep 'NAME|VERSION' /etc/os-release
NAME="Linux Mint"
VERSION="21.3 (Virginia)"
PRETTY_NAME="Linux Mint 21.3"
VERSION_ID="21.3"
VERSION_CODENAME=virginia
UBUNTU_CODENAME=jammy
_[/home/vallor]_(vallor@lm)🐧_
$ uname -a
Linux lm 6.9.0 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue May 14 17:10:33 PDT 2024 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
_ _ _ _ _ _ _

--
-v

vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>On 18 May 2024 00:13:23 GMT, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote in
><6647f2a3$0$7077$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> Linux Mint gets a good chunk of donations in addition to their
>> sponsorships.
>
>As well they should. I donate to Mint -- it's a solid distro, and doesn't
>get in my way when I personally want to push the envelope.

I've donated a number of times. It's so much better than there being
a price tag, as in with Winblows.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-05-18, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:50:21 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 5/17/2024 5:51 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sun, 12 May 2024 13:39:22 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> The GuhNoo world desperately needs adult supervision.
>>>> MS-haters are free to do what they want, but the resulting 1000+
>>>> distros - the large majority of which are barely used - has been a
>>>> gigantic waste of time and effort.
>>>
>>> How many billions do you think all those distros have cost to produce?
>>>
>>> Who do you think should be the ones to provide the “adult supervision”?
>>
>> The Authority.
>>
>>
>>> Should it be Microsoft or Apple to go around buying all these distros
>>> and shutting them down? How much would that cost?
>>
>> Buy them? They're worthless. And they're dead already. Nobody pays or
>> donates, and nobody uses them. If the devs had any shame they would've
>> removed them from the market a long time ago.
>
> Linux Mint gets a good chunk of donations in addition to their
> sponsorships. The fact that they don't get more is actually problem:
> losing the option of installing Linux will give way too much power to
> Microsoft, Apple and Google to control where technology and by extension
> the web is going. Look at what they did to the web once they got their
> hands on it. Pop-ups, ads, spam and censorship. If you don't think
> Microsoft, Apple and Google would put an end to your freedom of speech if
> they got more power over technology, you're deluding yourself. Look at
> what both Apple and Google have _already_ done in blacklisting apps from
> their stores for daring to be conservative and believing in the First
> Amendment of the Constitution.

If Clement would sell out to Microsoft (no indication he would ever do so),
someone could fork the project the next day, name it "Linux Thyme" and
nothing would change except the name. That's the beauty of Open Source.

DuFuS will never understand that.

>>> What would stop new ones from appearing?
>>
>> Devs having the personal dignity and self-control to not put out
>> derivative crapola.
>>
>>
>>>> For instance, despite contributions to LibreOffice from over 1000
>>>> people, the Base database component has been extremely substandard and
>>>> unchanged for years ...
>>>
>>> Really??
>>
>> Yes, really.
>
> How dare a free product that relies on donations not be on par with the
> corporate suite for which hundreds of paid programers develop!
>
>< snip >

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Sun, 19 May 2024 02:03:28 -0000 (UTC), RonB
<ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2024-05-18, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:50:21 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/17/2024 5:51 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 12 May 2024 13:39:22 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The GuhNoo world desperately needs adult supervision.
>>>>> MS-haters are free to do what they want, but the resulting 1000+
>>>>> distros - the large majority of which are barely used - has been a
>>>>> gigantic waste of time and effort.
>>>>
>>>> How many billions do you think all those distros have cost to produce?
>>>>
>>>> Who do you think should be the ones to provide the “adult supervision”?
>>>
>>> The Authority.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Should it be Microsoft or Apple to go around buying all these distros
>>>> and shutting them down? How much would that cost?
>>>
>>> Buy them? They're worthless. And they're dead already. Nobody pays or
>>> donates, and nobody uses them. If the devs had any shame they would've
>>> removed them from the market a long time ago.
>>
>> Linux Mint gets a good chunk of donations in addition to their
>> sponsorships. The fact that they don't get more is actually problem:
>> losing the option of installing Linux will give way too much power to
>> Microsoft, Apple and Google to control where technology and by extension
>> the web is going. Look at what they did to the web once they got their
>> hands on it. Pop-ups, ads, spam and censorship. If you don't think
>> Microsoft, Apple and Google would put an end to your freedom of speech if
>> they got more power over technology, you're deluding yourself. Look at
>> what both Apple and Google have _already_ done in blacklisting apps from
>> their stores for daring to be conservative and believing in the First
>> Amendment of the Constitution.
>
>If Clement would sell out to Microsoft (no indication he would ever do so),
>someone could fork the project the next day, name it "Linux Thyme" and
>nothing would change except the name. That's the beauty of Open Source.
>
>DuFuS will never understand that.

I think that Clément understands how important he is in the
open-source world. Most every other popular distribution has the
ambition of driving a corporation (Fedora for Red Hat, Ubuntu for
Canonical, PopOS for System76) whereas Linux Mint is truly by
individuals for individuals. Losing Mint would be a significant shot
in the nuts.

< snip >

On 2024-05-19, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On Sun, 19 May 2024 02:03:28 -0000 (UTC), RonB
><ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-05-18, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:50:21 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/17/2024 5:51 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 12 May 2024 13:39:22 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The GuhNoo world desperately needs adult supervision.
>>>>>> MS-haters are free to do what they want, but the resulting 1000+
>>>>>> distros - the large majority of which are barely used - has been a
>>>>>> gigantic waste of time and effort.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many billions do you think all those distros have cost to produce?
>>>>>
>>>>> Who do you think should be the ones to provide the “adult supervision”?
>>>>
>>>> The Authority.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Should it be Microsoft or Apple to go around buying all these distros
>>>>> and shutting them down? How much would that cost?
>>>>
>>>> Buy them? They're worthless. And they're dead already. Nobody pays or
>>>> donates, and nobody uses them. If the devs had any shame they would've
>>>> removed them from the market a long time ago.
>>>
>>> Linux Mint gets a good chunk of donations in addition to their
>>> sponsorships. The fact that they don't get more is actually problem:
>>> losing the option of installing Linux will give way too much power to
>>> Microsoft, Apple and Google to control where technology and by extension
>>> the web is going. Look at what they did to the web once they got their
>>> hands on it. Pop-ups, ads, spam and censorship. If you don't think
>>> Microsoft, Apple and Google would put an end to your freedom of speech if
>>> they got more power over technology, you're deluding yourself. Look at
>>> what both Apple and Google have _already_ done in blacklisting apps from
>>> their stores for daring to be conservative and believing in the First
>>> Amendment of the Constitution.
>>
>>If Clement would sell out to Microsoft (no indication he would ever do so),
>>someone could fork the project the next day, name it "Linux Thyme" and
>>nothing would change except the name. That's the beauty of Open Source.
>>
>>DuFuS will never understand that.
>
> I think that Clément understands how important he is in the
> open-source world. Most every other popular distribution has the
> ambition of driving a corporation (Fedora for Red Hat, Ubuntu for
> Canonical, PopOS for System76) whereas Linux Mint is truly by
> individuals for individuals. Losing Mint would be a significant shot
> in the nuts.
>
>< snip >

You're right. They are unique. I dont see them going anywhere, though.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Sun, 19 May 2024 13:11:17 -0000 (UTC), RonB
<ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2024-05-19, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 May 2024 02:03:28 -0000 (UTC), RonB
>><ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2024-05-18, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:50:21 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/17/2024 5:51 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 12 May 2024 13:39:22 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The GuhNoo world desperately needs adult supervision.
>>>>>>> MS-haters are free to do what they want, but the resulting 1000+
>>>>>>> distros - the large majority of which are barely used - has been a
>>>>>>> gigantic waste of time and effort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many billions do you think all those distros have cost to produce?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who do you think should be the ones to provide the ?adult supervision??
>>>>>
>>>>> The Authority.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Should it be Microsoft or Apple to go around buying all these distros
>>>>>> and shutting them down? How much would that cost?
>>>>>
>>>>> Buy them? They're worthless. And they're dead already. Nobody pays or
>>>>> donates, and nobody uses them. If the devs had any shame they would've
>>>>> removed them from the market a long time ago.
>>>>
>>>> Linux Mint gets a good chunk of donations in addition to their
>>>> sponsorships. The fact that they don't get more is actually problem:
>>>> losing the option of installing Linux will give way too much power to
>>>> Microsoft, Apple and Google to control where technology and by extension
>>>> the web is going. Look at what they did to the web once they got their
>>>> hands on it. Pop-ups, ads, spam and censorship. If you don't think
>>>> Microsoft, Apple and Google would put an end to your freedom of speech if
>>>> they got more power over technology, you're deluding yourself. Look at
>>>> what both Apple and Google have _already_ done in blacklisting apps from
>>>> their stores for daring to be conservative and believing in the First
>>>> Amendment of the Constitution.
>>>
>>>If Clement would sell out to Microsoft (no indication he would ever do so),
>>>someone could fork the project the next day, name it "Linux Thyme" and
>>>nothing would change except the name. That's the beauty of Open Source.
>>>
>>>DuFuS will never understand that.
>>
>> I think that Clément understands how important he is in the
>> open-source world. Most every other popular distribution has the
>> ambition of driving a corporation (Fedora for Red Hat, Ubuntu for
>> Canonical, PopOS for System76) whereas Linux Mint is truly by
>> individuals for individuals. Losing Mint would be a significant shot
>> in the nuts.
>>
>>< snip >
>
>You're right. They are unique. I dont see them going anywhere, though.

They won't. Not unless the technology behind Linux in general falls
too far behind what the corporations are pushing. For many, Linux is
already obsolete (as a desktop operating system), but the kernel is
clearly not worse than what the big guys produced.

I'm just glad that most people understand how central Linux Mint is to
Linux's overall success and that even professionals are adopting it as
their distribution of choice.

On 2024-05-19, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On Sun, 19 May 2024 13:11:17 -0000 (UTC), RonB
><ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-05-19, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 19 May 2024 02:03:28 -0000 (UTC), RonB
>>><ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2024-05-18, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:50:21 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/17/2024 5:51 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 May 2024 13:39:22 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The GuhNoo world desperately needs adult supervision.
>>>>>>>> MS-haters are free to do what they want, but the resulting 1000+
>>>>>>>> distros - the large majority of which are barely used - has been a
>>>>>>>> gigantic waste of time and effort.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many billions do you think all those distros have cost to produce?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who do you think should be the ones to provide the ?adult supervision??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Authority.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Should it be Microsoft or Apple to go around buying all these distros
>>>>>>> and shutting them down? How much would that cost?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Buy them? They're worthless. And they're dead already. Nobody pays or
>>>>>> donates, and nobody uses them. If the devs had any shame they would've
>>>>>> removed them from the market a long time ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux Mint gets a good chunk of donations in addition to their
>>>>> sponsorships. The fact that they don't get more is actually problem:
>>>>> losing the option of installing Linux will give way too much power to
>>>>> Microsoft, Apple and Google to control where technology and by extension
>>>>> the web is going. Look at what they did to the web once they got their
>>>>> hands on it. Pop-ups, ads, spam and censorship. If you don't think
>>>>> Microsoft, Apple and Google would put an end to your freedom of speech if
>>>>> they got more power over technology, you're deluding yourself. Look at
>>>>> what both Apple and Google have _already_ done in blacklisting apps from
>>>>> their stores for daring to be conservative and believing in the First
>>>>> Amendment of the Constitution.
>>>>
>>>>If Clement would sell out to Microsoft (no indication he would ever do so),
>>>>someone could fork the project the next day, name it "Linux Thyme" and
>>>>nothing would change except the name. That's the beauty of Open Source.
>>>>
>>>>DuFuS will never understand that.
>>>
>>> I think that Clément understands how important he is in the
>>> open-source world. Most every other popular distribution has the
>>> ambition of driving a corporation (Fedora for Red Hat, Ubuntu for
>>> Canonical, PopOS for System76) whereas Linux Mint is truly by
>>> individuals for individuals. Losing Mint would be a significant shot
>>> in the nuts.
>>>
>>>< snip >
>>
>>You're right. They are unique. I dont see them going anywhere, though.
>
> They won't. Not unless the technology behind Linux in general falls
> too far behind what the corporations are pushing. For many, Linux is
> already obsolete (as a desktop operating system), but the kernel is
> clearly not worse than what the big guys produced.

The Linux desktop is "obsolete" in what way? The kernel is clearly superior,
not "not worse."

> I'm just glad that most people understand how central Linux Mint is to
> Linux's overall success and that even professionals are adopting it as
> their distribution of choice.

It has a simple but elegant theme. A lot of it has to do with the Cinnamon
desktop, I think. Which Clement and team created.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:50:21 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Here's a simple Access 2003 interface I built in Nov 2015 ...

Why were you using such an old version of Access? Didn’t newer versions
work as well?

On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 06:43:44 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:50:21 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> Here's a simple Access 2003 interface I built in Nov 2015 ...
>
> Why were you using such an old version of Access? Didn’t newer versions
> work as well?

Maybe not. Access went to .accdb in 2007 and I don't know if there were
breaking changes. Esri uses the 2003 .mdb format although they've been
trying to wean people off it for years in favor of their proprietary
FileGDB. I found a bug last month for a site that was converting their
data. Access allowed you to happily compare a string to a double. The
field should have been text but all the values were null anyway so nobody
noticed.

On 6/25/2024 2:43 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:50:21 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> Here's a simple Access 2003 interface I built in Nov 2015 ...
>
> Why were you using such an old version of Access?
>
> Didn’t newer versions work as well?

Never had a personal need for later versions. Still don't. Plus Access
2003 was more than enough to make mincemeat of the LibreOffice Base junk
from 2015.

At work I used the version of Office/Access they mandated.

Later Access versions had some nice features I had to manually implement
in 2003 if I wanted that functionality for my employer. The big ones
for me were items 2,3,9,10,11 described here:

https://www.fmsinc.com/microsoftaccess/2007/Top-Features.html

On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 09:50:00 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 6/25/2024 2:43 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:50:21 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a simple Access 2003 interface I built in Nov 2015 ...
>>
>> Why were you using such an old version of Access?
>>
>> Didn’t newer versions work as well?
>
> Never had a personal need for later versions.

Would you entrust mission-critical business functions to obsolete,
unsupported software?

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 00:54 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 09:50:00 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 6/25/2024 2:43 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:50:21 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's a simple Access 2003 interface I built in Nov 2015 ...
>>>
>>> Why were you using such an old version of Access?
>>>
>>> Didn’t newer versions work as well?
>>
>> Never had a personal need for later versions.
>
> Would you entrust mission-critical business functions to obsolete,
> unsupported software?

A lot of companies seem to.
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On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 06:40:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 00:54 this Wednesday
> (GMT):
>
>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 09:50:00 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/25/2024 2:43 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:50:21 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here's a simple Access 2003 interface I built in Nov 2015 ...
>>>>
>>>> Why were you using such an old version of Access?
>>>>
>>>> Didn’t newer versions work as well?
>>>
>>> Never had a personal need for later versions.
>>
>> Would you entrust mission-critical business functions to obsolete,
>> unsupported software?
>
> A lot of companies seem to.

They’re just one crash away from bankruptcy.