On 7/26/24 7:46 AM, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> As I've said already, this sort of investigation takes time (tons of
>> manhours), so it is highly premature to try to make final conclusions.
>
> But we already know that, no matter what, it's bad. Very bad.
> Inexcusably bad.
>

So your 'solution' is to immediately punish *someone*, even before the
facts are known and regardless of if they were actually cognizant of
what the problem was.

Nicely done! That's known as "Shoot first, ask questions later"
and/or "Fire, Ready, Aim".

-hh

-hh wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 7/26/24 7:46 AM, chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> As I've said already, this sort of investigation takes time (tons of
>>> manhours), so it is highly premature to try to make final conclusions.
>>
>> But we already know that, no matter what, it's bad. Very bad.
>> Inexcusably bad.
>
> So your 'solution' is to immediately punish *someone*, even before the
> facts are known and regardless of if they were actually cognizant of
> what the problem was.
>
> Nicely done! That's known as "Shoot first, ask questions later"
> and/or "Fire, Ready, Aim".

*blam* Stop or I'll shoot, Sonya Massey!

--
Save energy: be apathetic.

On 2024-07-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>>As I've said already, this sort of investigation takes time (tons of
>>manhours), so it is highly premature to try to make final conclusions.
>
> But we already know that, no matter what, it's bad. Very bad.
> Inexcusably bad.

There can only be two possibilities. Incompetence or collusion.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-07-26, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> -hh wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 7/26/24 7:46 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>>> As I've said already, this sort of investigation takes time (tons of
>>>> manhours), so it is highly premature to try to make final conclusions.
>>>
>>> But we already know that, no matter what, it's bad. Very bad.
>>> Inexcusably bad.
>>
>> So your 'solution' is to immediately punish *someone*, even before the
>> facts are known and regardless of if they were actually cognizant of
>> what the problem was.
>>
>> Nicely done! That's known as "Shoot first, ask questions later"
>> and/or "Fire, Ready, Aim".
>
> *blam* Stop or I'll shoot, Sonya Massey!

When someone is on a roof, pointing a gun at a presidential candidate --
I think the Secret Service has a green light to shoot. Or, at the very
least, alert the Secret Service at Trump's location so they can pull him out
of danger. Of course none of that happened because the Secret Service was
either totally incompetent or criminally colluding.

The excuses and spin you Woke Morons make for this Secret Service
incompetence and complete failure to do their job is absolutely incredible.
Even after Cheatle resigned because of pressure from both the Republicans
and Democrats (she should have been immediately fired) you continue defend
her incompetence.

Ridiculous.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-07-26, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> -hh wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 7/25/24 11:24 AM, RonB wrote:
>>
>>> You can continue
>>> being a gullible moron, Chris, or you can actually learn something. I'm
>>> guessing you'll choose to remain stupid. That seems to be your way.
>
> Gratuitous insult noted. I guess my B.A. and Ph.D. were all for naught.
> As well as my continued reading about science, medicine, satellite
> communications, programming, ....

Not gratuitous. Accurate. And yeah, your B.A. and Ph.D. were either useless
or made you even more gullible than you already were. My uncle had a Ph.D.
-- he made extremely stupid life decisions. My father said he had all his
brains "educated out of him." Looks like the same thing happened to you.

>> What percentage of VAERS reports have been subsequently confirmed as
>> actually causal to vaccines, RonB? Because without that number being
>> significantly larger than zero, you don't have proof of causality.
>
> Conspiracy promoters don't need no stinking data. Data is for sheep! :-D
>

I guess someone shooting at Trump from the roof less than 150 yards away is
a "conspiracy" in your tiny, emotion-driven brain. Have you seen anyone
(besides yourself and the idiot -highhorse) defend the Secret Service's
incompetence here? Even AOC, of all people, grilled Cheatle for it.

I think what it really comes down to is that you and your fellow traveling
moron, -highhorse, are pissed because the shooter missed.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

-hh wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> As I've said already, this sort of investigation takes time (tons of
>>> manhours), so it is highly premature to try to make final conclusions.
>>
>> But we already know that, no matter what, it's bad. Very bad.
>> Inexcusably bad.
>
>So your 'solution' is to immediately punish *someone*, even before the
>facts are known and regardless of if they were actually cognizant of
>what the problem was.
>
>Nicely done! That's known as "Shoot first, ask questions later"
>and/or "Fire, Ready, Aim".

Gosh, I finally read a -highhorse response to one of my messages, and
what do I find?

Evasion of my point. Lies. Made-up nonsense. Nothing but garbage.

I guess I'll have to go back to ignoring him.

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>> So your 'solution' is to immediately punish *someone*, even before the
>> facts are known and regardless of if they were actually cognizant of
>> what the problem was.
>>
>> Nicely done! That's known as "Shoot first, ask questions later"
>> and/or "Fire, Ready, Aim".
>
>*blam* Stop or I'll shoot, Sonya Massey!

Supporting the garbage-spewer again, I see.

RonB wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>>As I've said already, this sort of investigation takes time (tons of
>>>manhours), so it is highly premature to try to make final conclusions.
>>
>> But we already know that, no matter what, it's bad. Very bad.
>> Inexcusably bad.
>
>There can only be two possibilities. Incompetence or collusion.

Exactly the point that I was making. While a reminder of -highhorse's
idiotic defense of them, my point was indisputably correct.

Of course, -highhorse can't leave an reasonable and correct point
pass, when it reminds us of his idiocy. He's got no choice but go on
the attack, and if he has to make up some lies to do it, he will.

--
"So your 'solution' is to immediately punish *someone*, even before
the facts are known and regardless of if they were actually cognizant
of what the problem was." -highhorse, lying shamelessly

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>>> So your 'solution' is to immediately punish *someone*, even before the
>>> facts are known and regardless of if they were actually cognizant of
>>> what the problem was.
>>>
>>> Nicely done! That's known as "Shoot first, ask questions later"
>>> and/or "Fire, Ready, Aim".
>>
>> *blam* Stop or I'll shoot, Sonya Massey!
>
> Supporting the garbage-spewer again, I see.
>

Dodge.

The police shooting death of Sonja Massy is a pretty damn clear example of
how RoE’s get ignored, allowing law enforcement to get away with proverbial
murder.

And here, the “shots fired!” has become part of their training, because
prosecutors know that any witnesses will remember that it was said more
than just *when* it was said: context. Here, it represents an “I have
fired”, not an “I have been fired upon.” That’s misleading and that’s why
it is done. As the follow-up video captured, “where’s the gun?”: there
never was one, and even the whole “but boiling water!” self-defense claim
is bogus because they were free to easily retreat. Likewise, they
deliberately escalated instead of de-escalated: another principle RoE
violation. Lock him up for 40 years.

-hh

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> RonB wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As I've said already, this sort of investigation takes time (tons of
>>>> manhours), so it is highly premature to try to make final conclusions.
>>>
>>> But we already know that, no matter what, it's bad. Very bad.
>>> Inexcusably bad.
>>
>> There can only be two possibilities. Incompetence or collusion.
>
> Exactly the point that I was making. While a reminder of -highhorse's
> idiotic defense of them, my point was indisputably correct.
>
> Of course, -highhorse can't leave an reasonable and correct point
> pass, when it reminds us of his idiocy. He's got no choice but go on
> the attack, and if he has to make up some lies to do it, he will.
>

Too bad you two are excluding/ignoring at least a third possibility…

…but then again, neither of you have any IRL experience in force
protection.

-hh

On 2024-07-26 12:43 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-07-26, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> -hh wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 7/26/24 7:46 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As I've said already, this sort of investigation takes time (tons of
>>>>> manhours), so it is highly premature to try to make final conclusions.
>>>>
>>>> But we already know that, no matter what, it's bad. Very bad.
>>>> Inexcusably bad.
>>>
>>> So your 'solution' is to immediately punish *someone*, even before the
>>> facts are known and regardless of if they were actually cognizant of
>>> what the problem was.
>>>
>>> Nicely done! That's known as "Shoot first, ask questions later"
>>> and/or "Fire, Ready, Aim".
>>
>> *blam* Stop or I'll shoot, Sonya Massey!
>
> When someone is on a roof, pointing a gun at a presidential candidate --
> I think the Secret Service has a green light to shoot. Or, at the very
> least, alert the Secret Service at Trump's location so they can pull him out
> of danger. Of course none of that happened because the Secret Service was
> either totally incompetent or criminally colluding.
>
> The excuses and spin you Woke Morons make for this Secret Service
> incompetence and complete failure to do their job is absolutely incredible.
> Even after Cheatle resigned because of pressure from both the Republicans
> and Democrats (she should have been immediately fired) you continue defend
> her incompetence.
>
> Ridiculous.

+1

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Joel Crump: "My girlfriend has a penis, but she's not a dude."

On 2024-07-26 12:53 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-07-26, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> -hh wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 7/25/24 11:24 AM, RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can continue
>>>> being a gullible moron, Chris, or you can actually learn something. I'm
>>>> guessing you'll choose to remain stupid. That seems to be your way.
>>
>> Gratuitous insult noted. I guess my B.A. and Ph.D. were all for naught.
>> As well as my continued reading about science, medicine, satellite
>> communications, programming, ....
>
> Not gratuitous. Accurate. And yeah, your B.A. and Ph.D. were either useless
> or made you even more gullible than you already were. My uncle had a Ph.D.
> -- he made extremely stupid life decisions. My father said he had all his
> brains "educated out of him." Looks like the same thing happened to you.

I don't believe that Chris Ahlstrom has a PhD in anything other than
cuckery.

>>> What percentage of VAERS reports have been subsequently confirmed as
>>> actually causal to vaccines, RonB? Because without that number being
>>> significantly larger than zero, you don't have proof of causality.
>>
>> Conspiracy promoters don't need no stinking data. Data is for sheep! :-D
>>
>
> I guess someone shooting at Trump from the roof less than 150 yards away is
> a "conspiracy" in your tiny, emotion-driven brain. Have you seen anyone
> (besides yourself and the idiot -highhorse) defend the Secret Service's
> incompetence here? Even AOC, of all people, grilled Cheatle for it.
>
> I think what it really comes down to is that you and your fellow traveling
> moron, -highhorse, are pissed because the shooter missed.

Ahlstrom probably would have made a few jokes about Trump's death the
day of or after. In my case, my tolerance level for progressives has
decreased to about 5%. I even unsubscribed from my favourite wrestling
podcast because the leftist at the helm just can't shut up about his
hatred for Trump, even after the man was shot at. These people are
reprehensible cretins.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Joel Crump: "My girlfriend has a penis, but she's not a dude."

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2024-07-26, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> -hh wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 7/25/24 11:24 AM, RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can continue
>>>> being a gullible moron, Chris, or you can actually learn something. I'm
>>>> guessing you'll choose to remain stupid. That seems to be your way.
>>
>> Gratuitous insult noted. I guess my B.A. and Ph.D. were all for naught.
>> As well as my continued reading about science, medicine, satellite
>> communications, programming, ....
>
> Not gratuitous. Accurate. And yeah, your B.A. and Ph.D. were either useless
> or made you even more gullible than you already were.

Yet he’s nevertheless enjoyed a more prosperous life than you have, RonB.

> My uncle had a Ph.D.
> -- he made extremely stupid life decisions. My father said he had all his
> brains "educated out of him." Looks like the same thing happened to you.

RonB’s Uncle is an anecdote; a meaningless sample size.
RonB “yup-yupping” his father is indicative of brainwashing.

>>> What percentage of VAERS reports have been subsequently confirmed as
>>> actually causal to vaccines, RonB? Because without that number being
>>> significantly larger than zero, you don't have proof of causality.
>>
>> Conspiracy promoters don't need no stinking data. Data is for sheep! :-D
>
> I guess someone shooting at Trump ..

What does Trump have to do with substantiating your claims about VAERS,
RonB?
Well, other than your need to run away from you being called out on your
BS…!

You still got nothing…and you know it, prompting you to attempt this weak
deflection.

-hh

CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>On 2024-07-26 12:53 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>
>> I guess someone shooting at Trump from the roof less than 150 yards away is
>> a "conspiracy" in your tiny, emotion-driven brain. Have you seen anyone
>> (besides yourself and the idiot -highhorse) defend the Secret Service's
>> incompetence here? Even AOC, of all people, grilled Cheatle for it.
>>
>> I think what it really comes down to is that you and your fellow traveling
>> moron, -highhorse, are pissed because the shooter missed.
>
>Ahlstrom probably would have made a few jokes about Trump's death the
>day of or after. In my case, my tolerance level for progressives has
>decreased to about 5%. I even unsubscribed from my favourite wrestling
>podcast because the leftist at the helm just can't shut up about his
>hatred for Trump, even after the man was shot at. These people are
>reprehensible cretins.

No one sane is happy about gun violence at a political rally, even if
it is Trump's rally. The Democrats in congress were appropriately
questioning the Secret Service director, about it. You're just
hallucinating that we'd be glad for DJT to get killed, no, I don't
want anyone to die, period. I don't support gun violence. I want
peace.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-25 6:12 p.m., Joel wrote:
>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I'm saying that DJT is the reincarnation of Hitler, literally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Moron.
>>>>
>>>> You're just in denial of that fact.
>>>
>>> What was it that the Israelis named after Hitler, pray tell:
>>> <https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/06/16/israel-names-small-golan-heights-settlement-after-donald-trump/1473575001/>
>>
>> Oh well, the Netanyahu dictatorship warmonger regime accepted DJT's
>> sucking up, what a piece of information.
>
> It's old news, homo. This just serves as evidence that you don't read
> anything and rely entirely on mainstream television for your opinion.
> Heck, it's a progressive source.
>
>>> Paul was based.
>>
>>
>> He had some good things to say, but not about women's participation in
>> church, nor homosexuality.
>
> I'll say this much: it's only been one hundred years since women got the
> vote. In that hundred years, it's amazing how much self-destruction they
> have voted for.
>

Where said “self destruction” is that average US life expectancy has
plummeted from 49 years to 79 years today.

Likewise, US poverty rates have exploded from 33% to 11% today.

And a hundred years ago, you didn’t have viagra to take to firm up your
marshmallow soft weenie. Not that that really matters for a lonely basement
boy with zero female accompaniment.

-hh

chrisv wrote:

> (snipped, unread)

-hh wrote:

> (snipped, unread)

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> chrisv wrote:
>
>> (snipped, unread)
>
>

Missed! <LOL>

On 2024-07-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> RonB wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>As I've said already, this sort of investigation takes time (tons of
>>>>manhours), so it is highly premature to try to make final conclusions.
>>>
>>> But we already know that, no matter what, it's bad. Very bad.
>>> Inexcusably bad.
>>
>>There can only be two possibilities. Incompetence or collusion.
>
> Exactly the point that I was making. While a reminder of -highhorse's
> idiotic defense of them, my point was indisputably correct.
>
> Of course, -highhorse can't leave an reasonable and correct point
> pass, when it reminds us of his idiocy. He's got no choice but go on
> the attack, and if he has to make up some lies to do it, he will.

I would rather Trump won, but not to the point where I would actually vote
for him. Chris said in earlier post that he would vote for Biden even if he
was in hospice care. In other words he's a partisan hack. And he often
"twists" the truth to support his "team," which is a-okay with him. For him
the means justify the end. And that's pretty much universal with moron Woke
Left.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-07-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> (snipped, unread)

I would use the killfile. It's almost always going to be same crap from
-highhorse. Just a party hack.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-07-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-26 12:53 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-07-26, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> -hh wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 7/25/24 11:24 AM, RonB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You can continue
>>>>> being a gullible moron, Chris, or you can actually learn something. I'm
>>>>> guessing you'll choose to remain stupid. That seems to be your way.
>>>
>>> Gratuitous insult noted. I guess my B.A. and Ph.D. were all for naught.
>>> As well as my continued reading about science, medicine, satellite
>>> communications, programming, ....
>>
>> Not gratuitous. Accurate. And yeah, your B.A. and Ph.D. were either useless
>> or made you even more gullible than you already were. My uncle had a Ph.D.
>> -- he made extremely stupid life decisions. My father said he had all his
>> brains "educated out of him." Looks like the same thing happened to you.
>
> I don't believe that Chris Ahlstrom has a PhD in anything other than
> cuckery.

In my opinion having a PhD (these days) usually means you're a brainwashed
moron. So it wouldn't surprise me at all... considering.

>>>> What percentage of VAERS reports have been subsequently confirmed as
>>>> actually causal to vaccines, RonB? Because without that number being
>>>> significantly larger than zero, you don't have proof of causality.
>>>
>>> Conspiracy promoters don't need no stinking data. Data is for sheep! :-D
>>>
>>
>> I guess someone shooting at Trump from the roof less than 150 yards away is
>> a "conspiracy" in your tiny, emotion-driven brain. Have you seen anyone
>> (besides yourself and the idiot -highhorse) defend the Secret Service's
>> incompetence here? Even AOC, of all people, grilled Cheatle for it.
>>
>> I think what it really comes down to is that you and your fellow traveling
>> moron, -highhorse, are pissed because the shooter missed.
>
> Ahlstrom probably would have made a few jokes about Trump's death the
> day of or after. In my case, my tolerance level for progressives has
> decreased to about 5%. I even unsubscribed from my favourite wrestling
> podcast because the leftist at the helm just can't shut up about his
> hatred for Trump, even after the man was shot at. These people are
> reprehensible cretins.

They're what they try to project on the normal people, the ones they always
call the "far right" or "extremist fringe." The Woke morons are the
extremist, violent fringe, not *vice-versa.*

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-07-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>>> As I've said already, this sort of investigation takes time (tons of
>>>> manhours), so it is highly premature to try to make final conclusions.
>>>
>>> But we already know that, no matter what, it's bad. Very bad.
>>> Inexcusably bad.
>>
>>So your 'solution' is to immediately punish *someone*, even before the
>>facts are known and regardless of if they were actually cognizant of
>>what the problem was.
>>
>>Nicely done! That's known as "Shoot first, ask questions later"
>>and/or "Fire, Ready, Aim".
>
> Gosh, I finally read a -highhorse response to one of my messages, and
> what do I find?
>
> Evasion of my point. Lies. Made-up nonsense. Nothing but garbage.
>
> I guess I'll have to go back to ignoring him.

He's just begging to be put in a killfile so he can mingle with his idiot
Woke, moron friends.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 7/26/24 10:19 PM, RonB wrote:
> On 2024-07-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> (snipped, unread)
>
> I would use the killfile. It's almost always going to be same crap from
> -highhorse. Just a party hack.
>

Merely because you're intolerant (and/or an intellectual midget) who
can't cope with anything contrary to your fuzzy little bubble of what
you've been told to think.

-hh

-hh wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Not gratuitous. Accurate. And yeah, your B.A. and Ph.D. were either useless
>> or made you even more gullible than you already were.

:-D

One thing a Ph.D. gives you (more in some fields than in others) is the
ability to read, grok, and analyze vast amounts of literature, and to
defend your analyses in front of equally competent peers.

> Yet he’s nevertheless enjoyed a more prosperous life than you have, RonB.
>
> <snip>
>
> You still got nothing…and you know it, prompting you to attempt this weak
> deflection.

Some of the COLA posters have really turned into humorless, conspiracy-minded
sourpusses. Let's hope they are happier in real life.

--
You get along very well with everyone except animals and people.

Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>
> <griefsnip>
>
> No one sane is happy about gun violence at a political rally, even if
> it is Trump's rally. The Democrats in congress were appropriately
> questioning the Secret Service director, about it. You're just
> hallucinating that we'd be glad for DJT to get killed, no, I don't
> want anyone to die, period. I don't support gun violence. I want
> peace.

Like I said, this (nym-shifting) fellow is off the rails.

--
Habit is habit, and not to be flung out of the window by any man, but coaxed
down-stairs a step at a time.
-- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar