On 2024-07-22 10:14 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22 4:24 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-22 3:10 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-22 2:02 a.m., vallor wrote:
>>>>>>> On 22 Jul 2024 05:13:45 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> <lg6848FkdpgU2@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:39:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Win 11's 30% share of the Windows base after 2.75 years looks pretty
>>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay, Pollyanna...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-
>>>>>>>> share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder how many are shifting to...dare I say it...something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A dozen people who will end up crawling back to Windows once they get
>>>>>> acquainted with the random freezes and inability to wake from sleep.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless they're the vast majority who don't have those problems.
>>>>
>>>> I _hope_ that they don't have problems, only because I believe in what
>>>> Linux as an alternative. However, it has since become a bastion of woke
>>>> and I find myself cheering for its success a lot less than I used to.
>>>
>>> "Woke" has become a term of ridicule. Even the Woke don't like to use it
>>> anymore. It's on its way out.
>>>
>>> Bud Light is now the 3rd best selling beer in the U.S. For two decades it
>>> was number one, by a wide margin. One 30 second Woke ad immediately
>>> destroyed twenty years of effective marketing.
>>
>> I'm surprised that it's still selling as well as it is. Third is still a
>> good place to be in.
>
> Bud Light was huge. It wasn't just the number one beer in the U.S., it was
> the number one beer by a big margin. It had a lot of inertia to overcome.
> Most people in the U.S. would be amazed at how quickly it's falling on the
> sale's chart.

I don't recall ever consuming one, but I imagine that it tastes no
better than a glass of water does. I find that there is very light
flavour to an American beer, particularly a light one. I think I've only
had Coors Light though at my brother-in-law's.

>> Either way, I'm not the customer they would be interested in having. I
>> never drank that much and now have decided to stop drinking entirely. If
>> it's not Tyskie out of Poland, I just don't want it.
>
> I'm not a customer at all. I've never drank single a beer in my life. But I
> hear it was kind of crap beer anyhow. Sales depended completely on effective
> advertising. I guess that's why it collapsed so quickly with lousy Woke
> marketing.

I still haven't forgiven Gillette for their ad campaign demonizing men.
It was idiotic on their part. I still think their razors are superior to
what I'm using, but I don't care.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Racism and sexism don't exist because race and gender are "social
constructs"

On 2024-07-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 02:14:18 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> Bud Light was huge. It wasn't just the number one beer in the U.S., it
>> was the number one beer by a big margin. It had a lot of inertia to
>> overcome. Most people in the U.S. would be amazed at how quickly it's
>> falling on the sale's chart.
>
> I think I mentioned that on one of my walks I saw a push lawnmower with a
> 'free' sign on the side of the road. It had a free six pack of Bud Light
> on the deck.

That ad had to be one of the amazingly stupid things any company has ever
done to nuke their own product.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-07-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-22 10:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-22 4:15 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-22 3:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-07-22 1:13 a.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:39:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Win 11's 30% share of the Windows base after 2.75 years looks pretty
>>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay, Pollyanna...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-
>>>>>>>> share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even if you preferred Windows 10 (I don't), the reality is that
>>>>>>> Microsoft will cease support sooner than later. There's no point in
>>>>>>> wasting a year with that operating system for the minimal imagined
>>>>>>> benefits it might provide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's no direct upgrade path from Windows 10 to Windows 11 on many older
>>>>>> machines still in use. And, in the current economy a lot of people can't
>>>>>> afford a new computer so they run an ad infested version the same basic OS
>>>>>> they're already running.
>>>>>
>>>>> If those people absolutely insist on holding onto the old hardware, then
>>>>> Linux or something like Haiku will become their only options. More
>>>>> realistically though, they will likely just upgrade since their hardware
>>>>> will be about eight-years-old by then. If they don't want to, I get the
>>>>> impression that they'll migrate to a tablet or something.
>>>>
>>>> It's not a matter of "insisting to hold on to" — it's a matter of not being
>>>> able to afford new hardware. More so in the "undeveloped" world. Their
>>>> solution is to keep running an outdated Windows version. But I honestly
>>>> believe that Microsoft will (again) extend support for Windows 10. Otherwise
>>>> it's like cutting off their own nose to spite their face.
>>>
>>> The undeveloped world already seems to be acquainted with Linux, if the
>>> example of Cuba is anything to go by. Every time I went there, I noticed
>>> that the machines were running Linux.
>>
>> Some people in the U.S. and Canada might have to learn Linux also, if the
>> economy keeps tanking and inflation keeps going up the way it is.
>
> If they stop being able to afford to upgrade their computers then yes, I
> imagine that a lot of people will choose to hold onto their hardware and
> look for a way to do so despite no longer getting Windows update. It's
> also possible that they won't care that they are no longer receiving
> updates and simply hold onto an unpatched Windows.

That's what a lot of people are already doing in poorer countries. Many are
still using Windows 7... or Linux.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-07-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-22 10:14 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-22 4:24 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-22 3:10 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-07-22 2:02 a.m., vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 22 Jul 2024 05:13:45 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> <lg6848FkdpgU2@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:39:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Win 11's 30% share of the Windows base after 2.75 years looks pretty
>>>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Okay, Pollyanna...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-
>>>>>>>>> share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder how many are shifting to...dare I say it...something else?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A dozen people who will end up crawling back to Windows once they get
>>>>>>> acquainted with the random freezes and inability to wake from sleep.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless they're the vast majority who don't have those problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> I _hope_ that they don't have problems, only because I believe in what
>>>>> Linux as an alternative. However, it has since become a bastion of woke
>>>>> and I find myself cheering for its success a lot less than I used to.
>>>>
>>>> "Woke" has become a term of ridicule. Even the Woke don't like to use it
>>>> anymore. It's on its way out.
>>>>
>>>> Bud Light is now the 3rd best selling beer in the U.S. For two decades it
>>>> was number one, by a wide margin. One 30 second Woke ad immediately
>>>> destroyed twenty years of effective marketing.
>>>
>>> I'm surprised that it's still selling as well as it is. Third is still a
>>> good place to be in.
>>
>> Bud Light was huge. It wasn't just the number one beer in the U.S., it was
>> the number one beer by a big margin. It had a lot of inertia to overcome.
>> Most people in the U.S. would be amazed at how quickly it's falling on the
>> sale's chart.
>
> I don't recall ever consuming one, but I imagine that it tastes no
> better than a glass of water does. I find that there is very light
> flavour to an American beer, particularly a light one. I think I've only
> had Coors Light though at my brother-in-law's.

Like video games, I don't know squat about beer. I just know that Bud Light
was much more popular than it is now. Some of their ads used to entertain me
back when I watched TV.

>>> Either way, I'm not the customer they would be interested in having. I
>>> never drank that much and now have decided to stop drinking entirely. If
>>> it's not Tyskie out of Poland, I just don't want it.
>>
>> I'm not a customer at all. I've never drank single a beer in my life. But I
>> hear it was kind of crap beer anyhow. Sales depended completely on effective
>> advertising. I guess that's why it collapsed so quickly with lousy Woke
>> marketing.
>
> I still haven't forgiven Gillette for their ad campaign demonizing men.
> It was idiotic on their part. I still think their razors are superior to
> what I'm using, but I don't care.

I remember those also — actually I remember reading about those ads (and
seeing them on YouTube) I was already not watching TV.

Go Woke, go broke. Look what Disney has done to the Lucas Films, Pixar and
the Disney brand itself. The agenda is more important to these Woke morons
than are their sales.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-07-23 2:11 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-07-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22 10:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-22 4:15 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-22 3:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-22 1:13 a.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:39:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Win 11's 30% share of the Windows base after 2.75 years looks pretty
>>>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Okay, Pollyanna...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-
>>>>>>>>> share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even if you preferred Windows 10 (I don't), the reality is that
>>>>>>>> Microsoft will cease support sooner than later. There's no point in
>>>>>>>> wasting a year with that operating system for the minimal imagined
>>>>>>>> benefits it might provide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's no direct upgrade path from Windows 10 to Windows 11 on many older
>>>>>>> machines still in use. And, in the current economy a lot of people can't
>>>>>>> afford a new computer so they run an ad infested version the same basic OS
>>>>>>> they're already running.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If those people absolutely insist on holding onto the old hardware, then
>>>>>> Linux or something like Haiku will become their only options. More
>>>>>> realistically though, they will likely just upgrade since their hardware
>>>>>> will be about eight-years-old by then. If they don't want to, I get the
>>>>>> impression that they'll migrate to a tablet or something.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a matter of "insisting to hold on to" — it's a matter of not being
>>>>> able to afford new hardware. More so in the "undeveloped" world. Their
>>>>> solution is to keep running an outdated Windows version. But I honestly
>>>>> believe that Microsoft will (again) extend support for Windows 10. Otherwise
>>>>> it's like cutting off their own nose to spite their face.
>>>>
>>>> The undeveloped world already seems to be acquainted with Linux, if the
>>>> example of Cuba is anything to go by. Every time I went there, I noticed
>>>> that the machines were running Linux.
>>>
>>> Some people in the U.S. and Canada might have to learn Linux also, if the
>>> economy keeps tanking and inflation keeps going up the way it is.
>>
>> If they stop being able to afford to upgrade their computers then yes, I
>> imagine that a lot of people will choose to hold onto their hardware and
>> look for a way to do so despite no longer getting Windows update. It's
>> also possible that they won't care that they are no longer receiving
>> updates and simply hold onto an unpatched Windows.
>
> That's what a lot of people are already doing in poorer countries. Many are
> still using Windows 7... or Linux.

The moment you no longer get security updates, the smart thing to do is
to use Linux. There are no two ways about it. Using something that is no
longer supported is exposing yourself to the many types of malware that
will emerge the moment that operating system is finished. If Linux
doesn't work for you, use Haiku or just install FreeDOS.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Racism and sexism don't exist because race and gender are "social
constructs"

On 2024-07-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-23 2:11 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-07-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-22 10:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-22 4:15 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-07-22 3:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-22 1:13 a.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:39:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Win 11's 30% share of the Windows base after 2.75 years looks pretty
>>>>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Okay, Pollyanna...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-
>>>>>>>>>> share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even if you preferred Windows 10 (I don't), the reality is that
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft will cease support sooner than later. There's no point in
>>>>>>>>> wasting a year with that operating system for the minimal imagined
>>>>>>>>> benefits it might provide.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's no direct upgrade path from Windows 10 to Windows 11 on many older
>>>>>>>> machines still in use. And, in the current economy a lot of people can't
>>>>>>>> afford a new computer so they run an ad infested version the same basic OS
>>>>>>>> they're already running.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If those people absolutely insist on holding onto the old hardware, then
>>>>>>> Linux or something like Haiku will become their only options. More
>>>>>>> realistically though, they will likely just upgrade since their hardware
>>>>>>> will be about eight-years-old by then. If they don't want to, I get the
>>>>>>> impression that they'll migrate to a tablet or something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not a matter of "insisting to hold on to" — it's a matter of not being
>>>>>> able to afford new hardware. More so in the "undeveloped" world. Their
>>>>>> solution is to keep running an outdated Windows version. But I honestly
>>>>>> believe that Microsoft will (again) extend support for Windows 10. Otherwise
>>>>>> it's like cutting off their own nose to spite their face.
>>>>>
>>>>> The undeveloped world already seems to be acquainted with Linux, if the
>>>>> example of Cuba is anything to go by. Every time I went there, I noticed
>>>>> that the machines were running Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Some people in the U.S. and Canada might have to learn Linux also, if the
>>>> economy keeps tanking and inflation keeps going up the way it is.
>>>
>>> If they stop being able to afford to upgrade their computers then yes, I
>>> imagine that a lot of people will choose to hold onto their hardware and
>>> look for a way to do so despite no longer getting Windows update. It's
>>> also possible that they won't care that they are no longer receiving
>>> updates and simply hold onto an unpatched Windows.
>>
>> That's what a lot of people are already doing in poorer countries. Many are
>> still using Windows 7... or Linux.
>
> The moment you no longer get security updates, the smart thing to do is
> to use Linux. There are no two ways about it. Using something that is no
> longer supported is exposing yourself to the many types of malware that
> will emerge the moment that operating system is finished. If Linux
> doesn't work for you, use Haiku or just install FreeDOS.

I agree, but (like many in the U.S.) they probably want to run Windows-only
applications. And there's probably a lot of them who use Windows without any
Internet access at all — so less danger of malware.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:11:30 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> That's what a lot of people are already doing in poorer countries. Many
> are still using Windows 7... or Linux.

I had to give up on Windows 7 when newer applications wouldn't install
like VS Code, but for day to day use it was as good as it ever was.

On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:09:59 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> On 2024-07-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 02:14:18 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>> Bud Light was huge. It wasn't just the number one beer in the U.S., it
>>> was the number one beer by a big margin. It had a lot of inertia to
>>> overcome. Most people in the U.S. would be amazed at how quickly it's
>>> falling on the sale's chart.
>>
>> I think I mentioned that on one of my walks I saw a push lawnmower with
>> a 'free' sign on the side of the road. It had a free six pack of Bud
>> Light on the deck.
>
> That ad had to be one of the amazingly stupid things any company has
> ever done to nuke their own product.

Tractor Supply walked back rapidly. Bud might have thought their target
audience was young, hip, urbanites that would thing Dylan whoever was cool
but when you customer base literally consists of rednecks you've got to be
beyond stupid to go that route. 'Brokeback Mountain' was a Hollywood
fantasy.

On 2024-07-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:09:59 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> On 2024-07-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 02:14:18 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bud Light was huge. It wasn't just the number one beer in the U.S., it
>>>> was the number one beer by a big margin. It had a lot of inertia to
>>>> overcome. Most people in the U.S. would be amazed at how quickly it's
>>>> falling on the sale's chart.
>>>
>>> I think I mentioned that on one of my walks I saw a push lawnmower with
>>> a 'free' sign on the side of the road. It had a free six pack of Bud
>>> Light on the deck.
>>
>> That ad had to be one of the amazingly stupid things any company has
>> ever done to nuke their own product.
>
> Tractor Supply walked back rapidly. Bud might have thought their target
> audience was young, hip, urbanites that would thing Dylan whoever was cool
> but when you customer base literally consists of rednecks you've got to be
> beyond stupid to go that route. 'Brokeback Mountain' was a Hollywood
> fantasy.

Yeah, I noticed that Tractor Supply "saw the light." Even John Deere
recently backtracked (partially). I think the smartest thing for a company
to do is remain neutral in politics, but Woke crap when your main business
is to farmers? That's beyond stupid.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:22:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Yeah, I noticed that Tractor Supply "saw the light." Even John Deere
> recently backtracked (partially). I think the smartest thing for a
> company to do is remain neutral in politics, but Woke crap when your
> main business is to farmers? That's beyond stupid.

John Deere may have cooled their DEI crap but they still are moving jobs
to Mexico.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/07/john-deere-
layoffs-work-moving-mexico

On 2024-07-24, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:22:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I noticed that Tractor Supply "saw the light." Even John Deere
>> recently backtracked (partially). I think the smartest thing for a
>> company to do is remain neutral in politics, but Woke crap when your
>> main business is to farmers? That's beyond stupid.
>
> John Deere may have cooled their DEI crap but they still are moving jobs
> to Mexico.
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/07/john-deere-
> layoffs-work-moving-mexico

I didn't even know they still had any jobs left in the U.S.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 22 Jul 2024 17:17:40 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> ... I've never been in
> a situation where I could compare, say, XP and the equivalent Linux
> generation on the same hardware.

Remember the early days of the “Netbook” era? Petite machines like the
Asus Eee 701 (I still have one) with SSDs instead of hard drives, and
Linux instead of Windows?

This was about the time Microsoft was trying to phase out XP in favour of
Vista. But bloated Vista would never run on such low-end hardware. So it
made a quick 180°, gave XP a reprieve from death, and made it part of a
new category of machines, the “Windows Netbooks”. Only these had somewhat
fatter (i.e. more expensive) specs than the Linux-based ones. And they
couldn’t run off SSDs, because XP needed a page file (unlike Linux, where
it was optional), and the continual writing to the page file would wear
out the SSD.

This was also about the time of Nicholas Negroponte’s “One Laptop Per
Child” project. That was going to be a Linux-based machine that could be
made very cheaply for use by third-world schoolchildren, without the need
for an expensive support infrastructure in case of failures etc. Back
then, the Microsoft anti-Linux marketing machine was in full swing, and
both OLPC and the Netbooks, which were inspired by OLPC, were in their
sights.

On 22 Jul 2024 06:02:19 GMT, vallor wrote:

> I wonder how many are shifting to...dare I say it...something else?

I have a theory about “Linux on the desktop”: it is that the definition of
“desktop” keeps narrowing, to keep up (down?) with Windows’ shrinking
share of the total computing market.

Meanwhile, Linux is busy gobbling up all the rest.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 22 Jul 2024 17:17:40 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> ... I've never been in
>> a situation where I could compare, say, XP and the equivalent Linux
>> generation on the same hardware.
>
> Remember the early days of the “Netbook” era? Petite machines like the
> Asus Eee 701 (I still have one) with SSDs instead of hard drives, and
> Linux instead of Windows?

IIRC, the CEO of Asus apologized to Microsoft for that little Linux box.

> This was about the time Microsoft was trying to phase out XP in favour of
> Vista. But bloated Vista would never run on such low-end hardware. So it
> made a quick 180°, gave XP a reprieve from death, and made it part of a
> new category of machines, the “Windows Netbooks”. Only these had somewhat
> fatter (i.e. more expensive) specs than the Linux-based ones. And they
> couldn’t run off SSDs, because XP needed a page file (unlike Linux, where
> it was optional), and the continual writing to the page file would wear
> out the SSD.

Heh heh.

> This was also about the time of Nicholas Negroponte’s “One Laptop Per
> Child” project. That was going to be a Linux-based machine that could be
> made very cheaply for use by third-world schoolchildren, without the need
> for an expensive support infrastructure in case of failures etc. Back
> then, the Microsoft anti-Linux marketing machine was in full swing, and
> both OLPC and the Netbooks, which were inspired by OLPC, were in their
> sights.

I got one of those as a Christmas present. It was fun to play with.
I replaced the OS with Debian. It wasn't fast, but I could write and
build C code on it.

Some idiot troll named "Hadron" of course made fun of it. What an asshole!

--
Sheriff Chameleotoptor sighed with an air of weary sadness, and then
turned to Doppelgutt and said 'The Senator must really have been on a
bender this time -- he left a party in Cleveland, Ohio, at 11:30 last
night, and they found his car this morning in the smokestack of a British
aircraft carrier in the Formosa Straits.'
-- Grand Panjandrum's Special Award, 1985 Bulwer-Lytton
bad fiction contest.

Le 22-07-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
> On 21 Jul 2024 19:39:01 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> They are using Gnome: if you want performance, you chose a lighter WM.
>> You can't do that with Windows.
>
> That would be an interesting set of benchmarks. I'm currently running
> Ubuntu/Gnome, Fedora/KDE, Debuan/xfce, and Lubuntu/LXQt. Unfortunately
> the four machines are completely different hardware.

You can install Gnome, KDE, xfce and LXQt on the same machine and switch
between them at the login. As long as you don't use them, the just take
more place on your hard drive, no other ressource is needed. You can try
to [de]activate all the "nice" effects, like the 3D, to see the
differences.

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Le 23-07-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
>
> I think I mentioned that on one of my walks I saw a push lawnmower with a
> 'free' sign on the side of the road. It had a free six pack of Bud Light
> on the deck.

I would not drink it for free. I would need to be paid a lot to drink that.

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Le 22-07-2024, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit :
> On 2024-07-22 3:26 p.m., chrisv wrote:
>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Of course, I may be biased due to running Windows on a machine loaded down
>>>> with corporate crapware, antivirus, ....
>>>
>>> Have you ever considered simply removing the corporate crapware?
>>
>> He probably can't. I can't, from my work PC, even though I do have
>> admin rights on it.
>
> I can't imagine which software would refuse to uninstall.

He precised he has admin rights, so it's not a technical possibility.
It's a legal one.

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Le 22-07-2024, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCqw9FmBgKY
>
> FRANCIS HATES WINDOWS 10!

Is he LP/DG/FR/NV/whatever model? They both look like Windows fanboys
trying to make Linux users looking like morons.

I didn't see more than the first minute of the video. Maybe the end is
better, but I seriously doubt it.

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> Le 22-07-2024, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCqw9FmBgKY
>>
>> FRANCIS HATES WINDOWS 10!
>
> Is he LP/DG/FR/NV/whatever model? They both look like Windows fanboys
> trying to make Linux users looking like morons.

Naw, he just bitches about everything.

> I didn't see more than the first minute of the video. Maybe the end is
> better, but I seriously doubt it.

It's an acquired taste. I happen to like ranting and cursing (except here).

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On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:40:05 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> Remember the early days of the “Netbook” era? Petite machines like the
> Asus Eee 701 (I still have one) with SSDs instead of hard drives, and
> Linux instead of Windows?

I put Q4OS on mine. It works if you don't get greedy and try to install
too many packages.

On 26 Jul 2024 20:22:39 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> You can install Gnome, KDE, xfce and LXQt on the same machine and switch
> between them at the login. As long as you don't use them, the just take
> more place on your hard drive, no other ressource is needed. You can try
> to [de]activate all the "nice" effects, like the 3D, to see the
> differences.

Not that ambitious. Besides, I don't log in very often. I had to today
because the power was out since Wednesday and everything was shut down.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 05:15 this Monday (GMT):
> On 26 Jul 2024 20:22:39 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> You can install Gnome, KDE, xfce and LXQt on the same machine and switch
>> between them at the login. As long as you don't use them, the just take
>> more place on your hard drive, no other ressource is needed. You can try
>> to [de]activate all the "nice" effects, like the 3D, to see the
>> differences.
>
> Not that ambitious. Besides, I don't log in very often. I had to today
> because the power was out since Wednesday and everything was shut down.

Oh no, what happened?
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 17:10:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 05:15 this Monday (GMT):
>> On 26 Jul 2024 20:22:39 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>
>>> You can install Gnome, KDE, xfce and LXQt on the same machine and
>>> switch between them at the login. As long as you don't use them, the
>>> just take more place on your hard drive, no other ressource is needed.
>>> You can try to [de]activate all the "nice" effects, like the 3D, to
>>> see the differences.
>>
>> Not that ambitious. Besides, I don't log in very often. I had to today
>> because the power was out since Wednesday and everything was shut down.
>
>
> Oh no, what happened?

https://missoulacurrent.com/storm-missoula/

I was on the porch reading when the sky clouded up and there was a little
thunder. It started to sprinkle and I thought I'd better move inside. Then
the wind hit and a lawn chair went by at about 30 mph. I retrieved it and
weighed it down and by then the gusts were strong enough that I couldn't
walk upwind and had to wait for a break. Then the lights went out.

Some very large Ponderosa pines were torn up by the roots while others
snapped off above ground. Out on the main road about a mile of power poles
were snapped off. It was strange what went down and what didn't. Down the
road a pine went down pointing north while a nearby one fell pointing
south.

I figured it would be out for a while so I shutdown the computers. When it
was over I walked up a hill and could see lights across the river and down
towards town so I knew the area wasn't completely out.

I lost a package of strawberries that molded and threw out a small jar of
mayo that was iffy but that was it. I have a headlamp so I could read in
the dark or just mess around with the banjo/guitar/flutes. Don't need
light for that after I groped around to find them.

I had drinking water but the biggest hassle was getting buckets of water
to flush the toilet. Plan 1 was to dip out of the irrigation ditch but it
was dry. I don't know what is up with that since it's still flowing up
where it leaves the river. Plan 2 was to get it from the river. That
worked, but the bank was pretty steep. Plan 3 involved another irrigation
ditch a couple of miles away that was more accessible.

It wasn't a big thing. Last winter when it was 20 below the power went out
for about 6 hours and that one really worried me.