On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:10:31 +0000, RonB wrote:

> On 2024-05-10, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 00:32:17 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On 09 May 2024 23:21:49 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's a very small price to pay if all you're looking to do is try it
>>>> out.
>>>
>>> Seems like you cannot get through your workday with proprietary
>>> software without being dishonest.
>>
>> Most of the software I use is open-source, but in a proprietary
>> operating system where the default office suite is also proprietary. I
>> make no apology about this: I'm quite comfortable using the superior
>> product to do the job.
>
> The link went to Windows 11, did it also include Windows 10? (Just a
> conflict between the link the post's title?)

I'm not sure since I didn't actually make a purchase. I imagine that a
Windows 10 purchase, if it costs less, would result in a working Windows
11 key either way. My 11 Pro license is really just a 10 Pro one.

On 10 May 2024 23:10:21 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> My 11 Pro license is really just a 10 Pro one.

Interesting. I can’t see anything in the EULA that actually permits
such a thing
<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/UseTerms/Retail/Windows/11/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_11_English.htm>.
Note the part where Microsoft reserves “all rights (such as rights
under intellectual property laws) not expressly granted in this
agreement and no other rights are licensed to you”.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On 10 May 2024 23:10:21 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> My 11 Pro license is really just a 10 Pro one.
>
>Interesting. I can’t see anything in the EULA that actually permits
>such a thing
><https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/UseTerms/Retail/Windows/11/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_11_English.htm>.
>Note the part where Microsoft reserves “all rights (such as rights
>under intellectual property laws) not expressly granted in this
>agreement and no other rights are licensed to you”.

A 10 key will work to install 11.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Fri, 10 May 2024 22:12:57 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 10 May 2024 23:10:21 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> My 11 Pro license is really just a 10 Pro one.
>>
>>Interesting. I can’t see anything in the EULA that actually permits such
>>a thing
>><https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/UseTerms/Retail/Windows/11/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_11_English.htm>.
>>Note the part where Microsoft reserves “all rights (such as rights under
>>intellectual property laws) not expressly granted in this agreement and
>>no other rights are licensed to you”.
>
> A 10 key will work to install 11.

Note also the restriction against attempts to “work around any
technical restrictions or limitations in the software”.

On Sat, 11 May 2024 02:16:35 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Fri, 10 May 2024 22:12:57 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On 10 May 2024 23:10:21 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> My 11 Pro license is really just a 10 Pro one.
>>>
>>>Interesting. I can’t see anything in the EULA that actually permits
>>>such a thing
>>><https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/UseTerms/Retail/Windows/11/
UseTerms_Retail_Windows_11_English.htm>.
>>>Note the part where Microsoft reserves “all rights (such as rights
>>>under intellectual property laws) not expressly granted in this
>>>agreement and no other rights are licensed to you”.
>>
>> A 10 key will work to install 11.
>
> Note also the restriction against attempts to “work around any technical
> restrictions or limitations in the software”.

It activates fine. If this were not permitted, it is up to Microsoft
itself to block this on their end.

On 2024-05-10, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:10:31 +0000, RonB wrote:
>
>> On 2024-05-10, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 00:32:17 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 09 May 2024 23:21:49 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's a very small price to pay if all you're looking to do is try it
>>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> Seems like you cannot get through your workday with proprietary
>>>> software without being dishonest.
>>>
>>> Most of the software I use is open-source, but in a proprietary
>>> operating system where the default office suite is also proprietary. I
>>> make no apology about this: I'm quite comfortable using the superior
>>> product to do the job.
>>
>> The link went to Windows 11, did it also include Windows 10? (Just a
>> conflict between the link the post's title?)
>
> I'm not sure since I didn't actually make a purchase. I imagine that a
> Windows 10 purchase, if it costs less, would result in a working Windows
> 11 key either way. My 11 Pro license is really just a 10 Pro one.

Same with the licenses in the Latitudes and Optiplexes. Some of them are for
Windows Vista, 7, or 8, but they all work for Windows 10 or 11 as well.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

>>>> My 11 Pro license is really just a 10 Pro one.
>>>
>>>Interesting. I can’t see anything in the EULA that actually permits such
>>>a thing
>>><https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/UseTerms/Retail/Windows/11/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_11_English.htm>.
>>>Note the part where Microsoft reserves “all rights (such as rights under
>>>intellectual property laws) not expressly granted in this agreement and
>>>no other rights are licensed to you”.
>>
>> A 10 key will work to install 11.
>
>Note also the restriction against attempts to “work around any
>technical restrictions or limitations in the software”.

M$ offers a 10 -> 11 upgrade program free on their Website. Obviously
they don't mind if you use it. I'm sure they want you to.

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>>> A 10 key will work to install 11.
>>
>>Note also the restriction against attempts to “work around any
>>technical restrictions or limitations in the software”.
>
>M$ offers a 10 -> 11 upgrade program free on their Website. Obviously
>they don't mind if you use it. I'm sure they want you to.

When 11 was released, the retail version still being offered from M$'s
site was Win10, but it didn't matter, you could use the purchased key
for either installer.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Sat, 11 May 2024 14:39:24 -0400, Joel wrote:

> When 11 was released, the retail version still being offered from M$'s
> site was Win10, but it didn't matter, you could use the purchased key
> for either installer.

But does the EULA explicitly allow that?

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>> When 11 was released, the retail version still being offered from M$'s
>> site was Win10, but it didn't matter, you could use the purchased key
>> for either installer.
>
>But does the EULA explicitly allow that?

Doesn't matter, a key is a key. They were letting 7 keys install it
for a good while, that may have changed. If I'd known that, it
would've saved me $200.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.