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* Time wasted on failed Linux install: at least an hour so farDFS
+* Re: Time wasted on failed Linux install: at least an hour so farLawrence D'Oliveiro
|`* Re: Time wasted on failed Linux install: at least an hour so farDFS
| `- Re: Time wasted on failed Linux install: at least an hour so farLawrence D'Oliveiro
+* Re: Time wasted on failed Linux install: at least an hour so farTyrone
|+- Re: Time wasted on failed Linux install: at least an hour so farDFS
|`- Re: Time wasted on failed Linux install: at least an hour so farRonB
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 +* Re: Time wasted on failed Linux install: at least an hour so farDFS
 |`* Re: Time wasted on failed Linux install: at least an hour so farCrudeSausage
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Subject: Time wasted on failed Linux install: at least an hour so far
From: DFS
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Haven't installed a hobbyware distro to bare metal in about 2 years, so
I wanted to try something interesting.

The only hard and fast requirement is the distro must not embrace a gd
"code of conduct" or have a DEI statement on their website.

Also wanted something more 'techy'. Ended up with these two candidates:

CachyOS https://cachyos.org/ Arch-based
Pop!_OS https://pop.system76.com/ Ubuntu-based

Decided to try CachyOS first. They do some nice compilation
optimizations, and offer tons of desktops during install.

Used Windows to create a 50GB partition on my NVMe boot drive (Cachy
says min 30GB, recommended 50GB).

Wasted a half-hour trying to burn the .iso to a bootable USB. Twice
Rufus failed after 12%. So I mounted the .iso in Windows File Explorer
and copied the arch, boot and EFI folders to the USB.

Rebooted to the thumb drive and it brought up the CachyOS boot menu,
chose the 1st entry and it loaded pretty quickly to a KDE Plasma
desktop. It's a very customizable desktop. Also very fast (but LiveCDs
always are).

Started the Calameres-derived GUI installer, at partitioning chose the
'replace partition with CachyOS' option (this option doesn't let you
choose the file system - it defaulted to btrfs). Clicked Install and
off it went.

It was nearing the end after about 20 minutes, but suddenly said
"Install Failed". Gave the option to upload the install log to a website.

https://termbin.com/426f

Figures.

This! Is! Linux!

But I really want to get a dual-boot going again, and CachyOS could be
really speedy, so I'll try again tomorrow.

Subject: Re: Time wasted on failed Linux install: at least an hour so far
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On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:13 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Also wanted something more 'techy'.

There are preschool children who can do this better than you. Think about
that.

Subject: Re: Time wasted on failed Linux install: at least an hour so far
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On Jul 23, 2024 at 3:29:13 AM EDT, "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> Haven't installed a hobbyware distro to bare metal in about 2 years, so
> I wanted to try something interesting.

Install it to a VM. As you probably know, Windows creates several hidden
partitions (EFI, Restore Image, etc.) that will confuse things. Looking at the
log file you posted, it looks like this is the issue.

A VM will present a blank drive to the installer, which will let the installer
do whatever the hell it wants.

I realize you want to install it to "bare metal", but a VM is way easier and
safer than dual booting with Windows. I have Linux installed in a VM on a
Windows 10 laptop. I have Windows 11 Arm installed in a VM on this Mac (Unix)
laptop. Life is good.

VMs exist for a reason. This is one of them. Another is when the
Linux/Windows/whatever installer does something stupid and makes the computer
unbootable. Then you have to dick around with a bootable utility
CD/DVD/USB/whatever and mark the correct partition as bootable. Assuming that
the correct partition is still there and not trashed.

Fuck all of that shit. These days I would never attempt either of the above
configs without using VMs.

Subject: Re: Time wasted on failed Linux install: at least an hour so far
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On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:13 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
<669f2389$0$212416$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> Haven't installed a hobbyware distro to bare metal in about 2 years, so
> I wanted to try something interesting.
>
> The only hard and fast requirement is the distro must not embrace a gd
> "code of conduct" or have a DEI statement on their website.
>
> Also wanted something more 'techy'. Ended up with these two candidates:
>
> CachyOS https://cachyos.org/ Arch-based Pop!_OS
> https://pop.system76.com/ Ubuntu-based
>
> Decided to try CachyOS first. They do some nice compilation
> optimizations, and offer tons of desktops during install.
>
> Used Windows to create a 50GB partition on my NVMe boot drive (Cachy
> says min 30GB, recommended 50GB).
>
> Wasted a half-hour trying to burn the .iso to a bootable USB. Twice
> Rufus failed after 12%. So I mounted the .iso in Windows File Explorer
> and copied the arch, boot and EFI folders to the USB.
>
> Rebooted to the thumb drive and it brought up the CachyOS boot menu,
> chose the 1st entry and it loaded pretty quickly to a KDE Plasma
> desktop. It's a very customizable desktop. Also very fast (but LiveCDs
> always are).
>
> Started the Calameres-derived GUI installer, at partitioning chose the
> 'replace partition with CachyOS' option (this option doesn't let you
> choose the file system - it defaulted to btrfs). Clicked Install and
> off it went.
>
> It was nearing the end after about 20 minutes, but suddenly said
> "Install Failed". Gave the option to upload the install log to a
> website.
>
> https://termbin.com/426f
>
> Figures.
>
> This! Is! Linux!

No...This! Is! DFS! 😆️

_ _ _ _ _ _ _
==> Generating module dependencies
==> Creating zstd-compressed initcpio image: '/boot/initramfs-linux-
cachyos.img'
cat: write error: No space left on device
bsdtar: Write error
bsdtar: Write error
==> ERROR: Early uncompressed CPIO image generation FAILED: 'bsdtar (step
1)' reported an error
_ _ _ _ _ _ _

...and so forth, a few times.

Your /boot partition is too small? Something not right there.

>
> But I really want to get a dual-boot going again, and CachyOS could be
> really speedy, so I'll try again tomorrow.

1) Your clock is off.
2) Why do you pick the most obscure Linux distributions to install?
Never heard of CachyOS. Bet you'd be better off with Pop!_OS because
System76 is actively supporting it -- a real company.

Better yet, why not use Linux Mint? Then you won't have to deal
with half the headaches one finds with unknown distros.

BTW, if you really want to go to town, just get a Linux
workstation from System76. You can get it pre-installed
with Pop!_OS[*] or Ubuntu -- and you'll have decent support,
much better than you'd get from Microsoft.

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.9.10 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"Windows error 000 : No errors found! [CLOSE]"

Subject: Re: Time wasted on failed Linux install: at least an hour so far
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On 7/23/2024 12:38 AM, Tyrone wrote:
> On Jul 23, 2024 at 3:29:13 AM EDT, "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> Haven't installed a hobbyware distro to bare metal in about 2 years, so
>> I wanted to try something interesting.
>
> Install it to a VM. As you probably know, Windows creates several hidden
> partitions (EFI, Restore Image, etc.) that will confuse things. Looking at the
> log file you posted, it looks like this is the issue.

The install option I chose indicated it would install the boot mgr on
the EFI partition. What it never told you was that partition is too
small by a long shot. To find that out you have to choose manual
partitioning. But it lets you go ahead with the install anyway (and of
course fails), which is strange.

> A VM will present a blank drive to the installer, which will let the installer
> do whatever the hell it wants.
>
> I realize you want to install it to "bare metal", but a VM is way easier and
> safer than dual booting with Windows. I have Linux installed in a VM on a
> Windows 10 laptop. I have Windows 11 Arm installed in a VM on this Mac (Unix)
> laptop. Life is good.

I've installed no less than 2 to 3 dozen distros thru the years, about
half in dual-boot. At least 10 to VirtualBox (mostly) or VMWare.

But the VM installs don't run at nearly native speed. WSL is by far the
fastest Linux on VM I've ever used. It's about 94% of native speed I
recall.

> VMs exist for a reason. This is one of them. Another is when the
> Linux/Windows/whatever installer does something stupid and makes the computer
> unbootable. Then you have to dick around with a bootable utility
> CD/DVD/USB/whatever and mark the correct partition as bootable. Assuming that
> the correct partition is still there and not trashed.

In this case CachyOS didn't mess with the EFI boot partition. When I
rebooted after the install failure, it went right to Windows.

> Fuck all of that shit. These days I would never attempt either of the above
> configs without using VMs.

VMs are nice, but I only want full bare-metal speed.

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On 7/23/2024 2:51 AM, vallor wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:13 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
> <669f2389$0$212416$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

>> This! Is! Linux!
>
> No...This! Is! DFS! 😆️

ha!

Here, the GuhNoo slopware didn't have the good grace to verify the size
of the boot partition before wasting 20 minutes of your time on a doomed
install.

> _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> ==> Generating module dependencies
> ==> Creating zstd-compressed initcpio image: '/boot/initramfs-linux-
> cachyos.img'
> cat: write error: No space left on device
> bsdtar: Write error
> bsdtar: Write error
> ==> ERROR: Early uncompressed CPIO image generation FAILED: 'bsdtar (step
> 1)' reported an error
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>
> ...and so forth, a few times.
>
> Your /boot partition is too small? Something not right there.

Probably.

I gave it another shot last night. This time did manual partitioning
and set the existing 100MB EFI partition - created by Windows - as
/boot/efi, but Calameres then said I needed a minimum of 300MB - a
warning it didn't offer with the first install option I tried.

Resizing EFI/boot it is a pain (Windows and the 3rd party tool I tried
couldn't do it). The installer lets you go forward anyway. This time
it errored out with 'bootloader can't be installed'.

Pop!_OS wouldn't install either. It requires an EFI/boot partition of
1GB (2GB recommended), and won't even let you try.

>> But I really want to get a dual-boot going again, and CachyOS could be
>> really speedy, so I'll try again tomorrow.
>
> 1) Your clock is off.

Thanks. I always forget to reset it when returning to Windows from Linux.

> 2) Why do you pick the most obscure Linux distributions to install?

It's not obscure. It's #12 on distrowatch. A real comer.

Did you check the website? It sounds like a badass Arch-based system,
and running it Live was extremely performant. And it offers a dozen
desktops during install.

When I get it installed I'm going to stick with it, unless it craps out
too much (the CachyOS forum is full of arcane instability and freezing
issues).

> Never heard of CachyOS. Bet you'd be better off with Pop!_OS because
> System76 is actively supporting it -- a real company.

I like the Pop!_OS website. They're big on 'right to repair' and they
have a sense of humor ("We’re nerds. And we’re proud of it. We even have
lasers.")

I ran PopOS Live and it was cartoonish, with the huge icons. But it was
clean-looking and well-behaved.

> Better yet, why not use Linux Mint? Then you won't have to deal
> with half the headaches one finds with unknown distros.
>
> BTW, if you really want to go to town, just get a Linux
> workstation from System76. You can get it pre-installed
> with Pop!_OS[*] or Ubuntu -- and you'll have decent support,
> much better than you'd get from Microsoft.

I just got a new system/upgrade in Jun 2022, so I won't buy a whole new
one for a while - unless I decide to try and enjoy my money for a
change. You can't take it with you, as they say.

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On 7/23/2024 12:32 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:13 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> Also wanted something more 'techy'.
>
> There are preschool children who can do this better than you. Think about
> that.

But you can't.

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On 2024-07-23 10:44 a.m., DFS wrote:

< snip >

> I gave it another shot last night.  This time did manual partitioning
> and set the existing 100MB EFI partition - created by Windows - as
> /boot/efi, but Calameres then said I needed a minimum of 300MB - a
> warning it didn't offer with the first install option I tried.
>
> Resizing EFI/boot it is a pain (Windows and the 3rd party tool I tried
> couldn't do it).  The installer lets you go forward anyway.  This time
> it errored out with 'bootloader can't be installed'.
>
> Pop!_OS wouldn't install either.  It requires an EFI/boot partition of
> 1GB (2GB recommended), and won't even let you try.

Pop_OS! not installing is almost laughable. Of all of the ISOs I've
used, theirs and Linux Mint (regular edition) are the only ones that
consistently work.

< snip >

>> Never heard of CachyOS.  Bet you'd be better off with Pop!_OS because
>> System76 is actively supporting it -- a real company.
>
> I like the Pop!_OS website.  They're big on 'right to repair' and they
> have a sense of humor ("We’re nerds. And we’re proud of it. We even have
> lasers.")
>
> I ran PopOS Live and it was cartoonish, with the huge icons.  But it was
> clean-looking and well-behaved.

Try a second monitor with it. For whatever reason, even though the
NVIDIA drivers were installed, the OS ran my laptop's scree fine but the
second was very choppy, like 5 frames per second choppy. The refresh
rate was right too.

< snip >

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On 2024-07-23, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
> On Jul 23, 2024 at 3:29:13 AM EDT, "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> Haven't installed a hobbyware distro to bare metal in about 2 years, so
>> I wanted to try something interesting.
>
> Install it to a VM. As you probably know, Windows creates several hidden
> partitions (EFI, Restore Image, etc.) that will confuse things. Looking at the
> log file you posted, it looks like this is the issue.
>
> A VM will present a blank drive to the installer, which will let the installer
> do whatever the hell it wants.
>
> I realize you want to install it to "bare metal", but a VM is way easier and
> safer than dual booting with Windows. I have Linux installed in a VM on a
> Windows 10 laptop. I have Windows 11 Arm installed in a VM on this Mac (Unix)
> laptop. Life is good.

I've never had any trouble with dual-booting Linux and Windows. (Heck I even
dual-boot Linux and Mac OS on my 2012 Mac Mini.) What's "dangerous" about
it?

> VMs exist for a reason. This is one of them. Another is when the
> Linux/Windows/whatever installer does something stupid and makes the computer
> unbootable. Then you have to dick around with a bootable utility
> CD/DVD/USB/whatever and mark the correct partition as bootable. Assuming that
> the correct partition is still there and not trashed.

VMs (in my experience) are a pain. They're a compromise, you don't really
get the performance you'll get on bare metal. (This probably depends on how
powerful you're bare metal is though — my computers aren't cutting edge, so
they need the OS on bare metal.)

> Fuck all of that shit. These days I would never attempt either of the above
> configs without using VMs.

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On 2024-07-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-23 10:44 a.m., DFS wrote:
>
>< snip >
>
>> I gave it another shot last night.  This time did manual partitioning
>> and set the existing 100MB EFI partition - created by Windows - as
>> /boot/efi, but Calameres then said I needed a minimum of 300MB - a
>> warning it didn't offer with the first install option I tried.
>>
>> Resizing EFI/boot it is a pain (Windows and the 3rd party tool I tried
>> couldn't do it).  The installer lets you go forward anyway.  This time
>> it errored out with 'bootloader can't be installed'.
>>
>> Pop!_OS wouldn't install either.  It requires an EFI/boot partition of
>> 1GB (2GB recommended), and won't even let you try.
>
> Pop_OS! not installing is almost laughable. Of all of the ISOs I've
> used, theirs and Linux Mint (regular edition) are the only ones that
> consistently work.

DuFuS always "has trouble" with the simplest Linux installs. I happen to
believe that he's full of crap. (Either that, or totally incompetent.)

>< snip >
>
>>> Never heard of CachyOS.  Bet you'd be better off with Pop!_OS because
>>> System76 is actively supporting it -- a real company.
>>
>> I like the Pop!_OS website.  They're big on 'right to repair' and they
>> have a sense of humor ("We’re nerds. And we’re proud of it. We even have
>> lasers.")
>>
>> I ran PopOS Live and it was cartoonish, with the huge icons.  But it was
>> clean-looking and well-behaved.
>
> Try a second monitor with it. For whatever reason, even though the
> NVIDIA drivers were installed, the OS ran my laptop's scree fine but the
> second was very choppy, like 5 frames per second choppy. The refresh
> rate was right too.
>
>< snip >

Fortunately I don't use (or need) a nVidia GPU, so I can't comment on these.

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On 2024-07-23 3:08 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-07-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-23 10:44 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>
>> < snip >
>>
>>> I gave it another shot last night.  This time did manual partitioning
>>> and set the existing 100MB EFI partition - created by Windows - as
>>> /boot/efi, but Calameres then said I needed a minimum of 300MB - a
>>> warning it didn't offer with the first install option I tried.
>>>
>>> Resizing EFI/boot it is a pain (Windows and the 3rd party tool I tried
>>> couldn't do it).  The installer lets you go forward anyway.  This time
>>> it errored out with 'bootloader can't be installed'.
>>>
>>> Pop!_OS wouldn't install either.  It requires an EFI/boot partition of
>>> 1GB (2GB recommended), and won't even let you try.
>>
>> Pop_OS! not installing is almost laughable. Of all of the ISOs I've
>> used, theirs and Linux Mint (regular edition) are the only ones that
>> consistently work.
>
> DuFuS always "has trouble" with the simplest Linux installs. I happen to
> believe that he's full of crap. (Either that, or totally incompetent.)

He's not the only one. Feel free to download the ISO of distributions
other than Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Fedora and Pop_OS! and you wouldn't
believe how many of them end up producing USB thumb drives that simply
don't work. In some cases, when they do, the installer itself is screwed
up.

>> Try a second monitor with it. For whatever reason, even though the
>> NVIDIA drivers were installed, the OS ran my laptop's scree fine but the
>> second was very choppy, like 5 frames per second choppy. The refresh
>> rate was right too.
>>
>> < snip >
>
> Fortunately I don't use (or need) a nVidia GPU, so I can't comment on these.

Things are likely to get much better for NVIDIA-equipped computers in
Linux. I reckon the experience might even end up being better in Linux
than in Windows. However, that's the hopeful side of me speaking. The
realistic side thinks that little will change and that disappointment
will be the result.

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Subject: Re: Time wasted on failed Linux install: at least an hour so far
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On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 10:54:28 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 7/23/2024 12:32 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:13 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Also wanted something more 'techy'.
>>
>> There are preschool children who can do this better than you. Think
>> about that.
>
> But you can't.

Unlike you, I don’t feel the need to brag about being able to follow
instructions.

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On 2024-07-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-23 3:08 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-07-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-23 10:44 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>>
>>> < snip >
>>>
>>>> I gave it another shot last night.  This time did manual partitioning
>>>> and set the existing 100MB EFI partition - created by Windows - as
>>>> /boot/efi, but Calameres then said I needed a minimum of 300MB - a
>>>> warning it didn't offer with the first install option I tried.
>>>>
>>>> Resizing EFI/boot it is a pain (Windows and the 3rd party tool I tried
>>>> couldn't do it).  The installer lets you go forward anyway.  This time
>>>> it errored out with 'bootloader can't be installed'.
>>>>
>>>> Pop!_OS wouldn't install either.  It requires an EFI/boot partition of
>>>> 1GB (2GB recommended), and won't even let you try.
>>>
>>> Pop_OS! not installing is almost laughable. Of all of the ISOs I've
>>> used, theirs and Linux Mint (regular edition) are the only ones that
>>> consistently work.
>>
>> DuFuS always "has trouble" with the simplest Linux installs. I happen to
>> believe that he's full of crap. (Either that, or totally incompetent.)
>
> He's not the only one. Feel free to download the ISO of distributions
> other than Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Fedora and Pop_OS! and you wouldn't
> believe how many of them end up producing USB thumb drives that simply
> don't work. In some cases, when they do, the installer itself is screwed
> up.

Pick a live Live USB distribution at random and I'll give it a shot. I've
tried a few but I've never run into one I like better than Linux Mint.

>>> Try a second monitor with it. For whatever reason, even though the
>>> NVIDIA drivers were installed, the OS ran my laptop's scree fine but the
>>> second was very choppy, like 5 frames per second choppy. The refresh
>>> rate was right too.
>>>
>>> < snip >
>>
>> Fortunately I don't use (or need) a nVidia GPU, so I can't comment on these.
>
> Things are likely to get much better for NVIDIA-equipped computers in
> Linux. I reckon the experience might even end up being better in Linux
> than in Windows. However, that's the hopeful side of me speaking. The
> realistic side thinks that little will change and that disappointment
> will be the result.

I was not happy with nVidia on my wife's former laptop running Windows 10.
Fortunately it was a dual GPU machine and we just turned nVidia off and used
the Intel GPU because nVidia kept blue screening Windows. That was *after* a
Windows update shortly after we bought the laptop. Before that update it
worked fine.

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vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote at 06:51 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:13 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
><669f2389$0$212416$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> Haven't installed a hobbyware distro to bare metal in about 2 years, so
>> I wanted to try something interesting.
>>
>> The only hard and fast requirement is the distro must not embrace a gd
>> "code of conduct" or have a DEI statement on their website.
>>
>> Also wanted something more 'techy'. Ended up with these two candidates:
>>
>> CachyOS https://cachyos.org/ Arch-based Pop!_OS
>> https://pop.system76.com/ Ubuntu-based
>>
>> Decided to try CachyOS first. They do some nice compilation
>> optimizations, and offer tons of desktops during install.
>>
>> Used Windows to create a 50GB partition on my NVMe boot drive (Cachy
>> says min 30GB, recommended 50GB).
>>
>> Wasted a half-hour trying to burn the .iso to a bootable USB. Twice
>> Rufus failed after 12%. So I mounted the .iso in Windows File Explorer
>> and copied the arch, boot and EFI folders to the USB.
>>
>> Rebooted to the thumb drive and it brought up the CachyOS boot menu,
>> chose the 1st entry and it loaded pretty quickly to a KDE Plasma
>> desktop. It's a very customizable desktop. Also very fast (but LiveCDs
>> always are).
>>
>> Started the Calameres-derived GUI installer, at partitioning chose the
>> 'replace partition with CachyOS' option (this option doesn't let you
>> choose the file system - it defaulted to btrfs). Clicked Install and
>> off it went.
>>
>> It was nearing the end after about 20 minutes, but suddenly said
>> "Install Failed". Gave the option to upload the install log to a
>> website.
>>
>> https://termbin.com/426f
>>
>> Figures.
>>
>> This! Is! Linux!
>
> No...This! Is! DFS! 😆️
>
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>==> Generating module dependencies
>==> Creating zstd-compressed initcpio image: '/boot/initramfs-linux-
> cachyos.img'
> cat: write error: No space left on device
> bsdtar: Write error
> bsdtar: Write error
>==> ERROR: Early uncompressed CPIO image generation FAILED: 'bsdtar (step
> 1)' reported an error
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>
> ...and so forth, a few times.
>
> Your /boot partition is too small? Something not right there.
>
>>
>> But I really want to get a dual-boot going again, and CachyOS could be
>> really speedy, so I'll try again tomorrow.
>
> 1) Your clock is off.
> 2) Why do you pick the most obscure Linux distributions to install?
> Never heard of CachyOS. Bet you'd be better off with Pop!_OS because
> System76 is actively supporting it -- a real company.
>
> Better yet, why not use Linux Mint? Then you won't have to deal
> with half the headaches one finds with unknown distros.
>
> BTW, if you really want to go to town, just get a Linux
> workstation from System76. You can get it pre-installed
> with Pop!_OS[*] or Ubuntu -- and you'll have decent support,
> much better than you'd get from Microsoft.

Pop!OS and Mint are both pretty good, but if you want a Arch-based
distro I'd recommend Endeavour.
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