Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 14:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 2024-05-08 9:30 a.m., chrisv wrote:
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>> CPU-Z is only freeware, CPU-X is Free Software.
>>>
>>> For an end user, there is no difference. Only developers would see the
>>> latter as having an advantage.
>>
>> Being FOSS is a bonus. It's better. It allows branching and
>> modifications that trickle down to end users.
>>
>> It may be that most end users don't care if software is FOSS, but we
>> can't forget that, were it not for the FOSS model, a lot of software
>> would not even exist!
>
> Agreed. I appreciated, for instance, that Thunderbird's FOSS nature
> allowed for someone else to pick up the project and offer us an
> alternative which doesn't require us to support Mozilla in any way.
> However, most people aren't even aware of what open-source even is.

Betterbird?
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

On 2024-05-08 11:00 a.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 14:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
>> On 2024-05-08 9:30 a.m., chrisv wrote:
>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> CPU-Z is only freeware, CPU-X is Free Software.
>>>>
>>>> For an end user, there is no difference. Only developers would see the
>>>> latter as having an advantage.
>>>
>>> Being FOSS is a bonus. It's better. It allows branching and
>>> modifications that trickle down to end users.
>>>
>>> It may be that most end users don't care if software is FOSS, but we
>>> can't forget that, were it not for the FOSS model, a lot of software
>>> would not even exist!
>>
>> Agreed. I appreciated, for instance, that Thunderbird's FOSS nature
>> allowed for someone else to pick up the project and offer us an
>> alternative which doesn't require us to support Mozilla in any way.
>> However, most people aren't even aware of what open-source even is.
>
>
> Betterbird?

Yep, a better Thunderbird than Thunderbird. Mozilla doesn't seem
interested in fixing bugs or even allowing outsiders to fix them for
them, so someone forked the project and made his own software.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On Wed, 8 May 2024 05:31:35 -0700, DFS wrote:

> That statement lets me know you haven't taken even a casual glance at
> HWiNFO.
>
> I seriously doubt you can use any or all Linux tools to duplicate the
> info provided by HWiNFO (Windows).

Having never heard of or used HWINFO I guess all the information it
provides has never been of interest to me.

On 5/8/2024 11:15 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 8 May 2024 05:31:35 -0700, DFS wrote:
>
>> That statement lets me know you haven't taken even a casual glance at
>> HWiNFO.
>>
>> I seriously doubt you can use any or all Linux tools to duplicate the
>> info provided by HWiNFO (Windows).
>
> Having never heard of or used HWINFO I guess all the information it
> provides has never been of interest to me.

https://uploadnow.io/f/g6KkvX5

On 5/6/2024 5:20 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 5/6/2024 2:29 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://imgur.com/tpY1als
>>>
>>> I got that easily with Mint Software Manager. Works very well. DFS
>>> is easily impressed.
>>
>> wtf?
>>
>> See my orig pic, not Bloaty's CPU-X lameness.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/a/R0ARmN0
>
>
> I saw CPU-X on my own machine, it's a remarkable utility.

CPU-Z is the [slightly] remarkable utility. CPU-X is just a shameless
clone.

HWiNFO and AIDA Extreme (both Windows only) are actually remarkable.

>> You can stay ignorant and deprived on Linux, or you can use Windows and
>> enjoy the best software. It's your choice.
>>
>> https://www.hwinfo.com/files/hwi64_800.exe
>> https://www.aida64.com/products/aida64-extreme
>> https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
>>
>> Linux can't compete.
>
>
> I give up next to nothing by not using Windows.

You can try and convince yourself of that, but deep down you know it's
not true.

You give up many of the best applications in the world, and that's FAR
from 'next to nothing'.

I bet you wouldn't have switched to Linux were it not for Wine and the
ability to run your favorite Windows apps.

I have noticed, though, that over the last 10 years more and more apps
are offering a Linux version.

On 5/8/2024 11:24 AM, DFS wrote:
> On 5/8/2024 11:15 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 May 2024 05:31:35 -0700, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> That statement lets me know you haven't taken even a casual glance at
>>> HWiNFO.
>>>
>>> I seriously doubt you can use any or all Linux tools to duplicate the
>>> info provided by HWiNFO (Windows).
>>
>> Having never heard of or used HWINFO I guess all the information it
>> provides has never been of interest to me.
>
>
> https://uploadnow.io/f/g6KkvX5

And AIDAExtreme (Windows only) is much more hardcore/extreme than HWiNFO.

The AIDA system report is 30K lines, and takes several minutes to
produce as it runs about 10 benchmarks.

Once again, Windows software puts the beatdown on GuhNoo/Linux hobbyist
slopware.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> I give up next to nothing by not using Windows.
>
>You can try and convince yourself of that, but deep down you know it's
>not true.
>
>You give up many of the best applications in the world, and that's FAR
>from 'next to nothing'.
>
>I bet you wouldn't have switched to Linux were it not for Wine and the
>ability to run your favorite Windows apps.

That isn't really true, because they are apps that have a particular
usefulness across the two platforms, not "my favorite Windows apps",
most are simply replaced by Linux apps. And Wine's existence doesn't
somehow detract from the beauty of running desktop Linux, it is a
logical expansion on that. You just look for "reasons" that Windows
is oh-so important, and there really aren't that many in truth.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 8 May 2024 11:35:56 -0400, DFS wrote:

> CPU-Z is the [slightly] remarkable utility. CPU-X is just a shameless
> clone.

If you search for 'cpu-z' in the Microsoft Store it comes up with 'cpu-
zx'. What a steaming pile of crap that is. I will charitably assume 'cpu-
x' is something else that must be installed from a third party site.

You are correct that HyperV muddies the waters enough that cpu-x in a
Debian WSL session finds a couple of extra cores the processor doesn't
know it has. cpu-x works fine on a bare-metal Linux installation.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>You are correct that HyperV muddies the waters enough that cpu-x in a
>Debian WSL session finds a couple of extra cores the processor doesn't
>know it has. cpu-x works fine on a bare-metal Linux installation.

WSL 2 as interesting as it is technically speaking is like a lot of VM
schemes, not efficient enough. If it were really as useful as real
Linux, I wouldn't have reinstalled Win11 to get it off my machine,
although it was a good time to refresh my installation anyway. But I
had its GUI working, and installed GIMP just to see what running it
under Win11 would be like.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 8 May 2024 11:35:56 -0400, DFS wrote:

> You give up many of the best applications in the world, and that's FAR
> from 'next to nothing'.

You would be more credible if you weren't so over the top. I'm sitting
next to a Windows 11 laptop and only have to open the lid and push a
button to access the best applications in the world -- but I don't.

I do bring it up after Patch Tuesday for updates but what exactly are
those world-beaters that I'm missing out on? I'll get right on it.

btw, has anytone ever played Far Cry 5? It's set in Montana so I might be
able to sustain interest longer than most of the FPS games I've tried.

On Wed, 08 May 2024 19:35:07 -0400, Joel wrote:

> WSL 2 as interesting as it is technically speaking is like a lot of VM
> schemes, not efficient enough. If it were really as useful as real
> Linux, I wouldn't have reinstalled Win11 to get it off my machine,
> although it was a good time to refresh my installation anyway. But I
> had its GUI working, and installed GIMP just to see what running it
> under Win11 would be like.

It has its uses. Rather specialized but we needed a basemap tile server
for trade show demos where a reliable internet connection wasn't
available. The pricing for adequate wifi at trade shows is close to
highway robbery as is almost everything else at a show, Anyway...

https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/manually-building-a-tile-
server-20-04-lts/

Nice step-by-step instructions for several Linux flavors. "You wanted to
do it on Windows? Good luck. Tell us how it comes out."

Anyway using WSL on the marketing laptops I was able to set up the tile
server that was used by the Angular brower app running on the Windows side
of the laptop. I thought I might have to use a dedicated Linux box but it
worked out as a self contained package with one less thing to get lost or
damaged on the way to a show.

You can also install Kali on WSL for a handy pen testing setup. Another
use is if you run Docker Desktop. I think you can do it with straight
HyperV but it's a lot happier if it finds a WSL instance.

Microsoft put a lot of work into it and they are not altruists. If you can
corral developers that prefer to work with Linux into doing so on a
Windows machine that all the better. I'll have to look into why MS
recommends WSL for Python web development. I've never used Django, Flask,
or the other Python frameworks so I don't know the nuances.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Wed, 8 May 2024 11:35:56 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> You give up many of the best applications in the world, and that's FAR
>> from 'next to nothing'.

Windows:

Best desktop applications in the world on a shitty desktop platform :-D

> You would be more credible if you weren't so over the top. I'm sitting
> next to a Windows 11 laptop and only have to open the lid and push a
> button to access the best applications in the world -- but I don't.

Generally, you need Windows if work forces you to use it or there's a must-have
app that some lazy programmer wrote using only the Windows API-of-the-Day.

> I do bring it up after Patch Tuesday for updates but what exactly are
> those world-beaters that I'm missing out on? I'll get right on it.

Be prepared to shell-out for 'em.

> btw, has anytone ever played Far Cry 5? It's set in Montana so I might be
> able to sustain interest longer than most of the FPS games I've tried.

I don't play games other than chess or sometimes othello or solitaire...
I am not training for military missions or school shootings.

--
Q: Why did the chicken cross the road?
A: To see his friend Gregory peck.
Q: Why did the chicken cross the playground?
A: To get to the other slide.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Wed, 8 May 2024 05:31:35 -0700, DFS wrote:
>
>> That statement lets me know you haven't taken even a casual glance at
>> HWiNFO.
>>
>> I seriously doubt you can use any or all Linux tools to duplicate the
>> info provided by HWiNFO (Windows).
>
> Having never heard of or used HWINFO I guess all the information it
> provides has never been of interest to me.

Linux's hwinfo puts out about 15000 lines of information on this laptop
(Ubuntu).

--
Big book, big bore.
-- Callimachus

chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> vallor wrote:
>
>>> Hell yeah! Do you get to shoot libtards? With election season coming on
>>> it would be topical.
>>
>>Har, har, har.
>>
>>The game is more about dealing with a religious cult that has taken
>>over the county than any politics.
>
> You must mean leftism.
>
> Unless leftists controlling the government, the media, the educational
> system, the medical system, every major corporation, etc, not count as
> "taken over the country"...

You haven't seen how the Republican party and evangelicals have fallen
under the sway of k00k Trump? The way the Supreme Court is dominated by
right-wing morons who make medical decisions based on their law degrees?

You think leftists control the media? Not in general. Even the mainstream
media (ABC etc) are owned by people who care about "eyeballs", rather than
facts. They don't really publish the grotesqueries of Trump, because, frankly,
they like the tax breaks that Trump promises, nor do they want magahats to
stop viewing their news. (Probably a futile hope).

The medical system is supposedly devoted to "do no harm", i.e. support for
all pations.

Major corporations support diversity and environment nominally, but still
respond to the bottom line.

Leftists control the government? :-D That's just silly. The FBI, military,
most other gov departments are full of conservatives.

As final "proof", note the polls about milquestoast Biden versus
k00k Trump.

--
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vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Fri, 10 May 2024 08:33:09 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
> wrote in <v1l465$1bl4d$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 11:16:19 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
>>> wrote in <v1ipc3$ng74$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>>> btw, has anytone ever played Far Cry 5? It's set in Montana so I might be
>>>>> able to sustain interest longer than most of the FPS games I've tried.
>>>>
>>>> I don't play games other than chess or sometimes othello or solitaire...
>>>> I am not training for military missions or school shootings.
>>>
>>> That's a very lame-brained opinion about gaming.
>>
>> I should have used the <sarcasm> marker :-D
>>
>>> And I've played Far Cry 5 all the way through, and loved it up
>>> until the contrived ending. A lot of it is high satire, like the
>>> ending -- or when picking up a certain mission, there's guy sitting
>>> on his porch yelling about the "libtards". But there's a lot of shooting
>>> in that game, so you might not like it.
>>
>> Guns stopped being fun for me early on. Same with involved games (short
>> attention span except for debugging code).
>>
>>> Elite Dangerous Odyssey has a 1:1 simulation of the galaxy, and if you are
>>> so inclined, you can pick a star and fly to it. You can fly off "into the
>>> black" and never see anybody, much less run into combat.
>>>
>>> And if so inclined, you can play in "solo" mode, where gankers can't touch
>>> you, even if you're in the heart of the bubble. It's a star ship simulator
>>> first, with an open-ended live-service game bolted onto it.
>>
>> Gamers seem to be a touchy group :-D
>
> Nah.

I dunno, there has been a notable amount of misogyny among male gamers.

> Just have seen my fair share of people bagging on gaming
> due to misinformation. Sorry if I had classed you in that group.

I don't play involved games, but we took the grandsons to a gaming
joint in North Carolina, and I watched them play these militaristic games.
Pretty realistic! Maybe R rated for violence in my opinion.

And they play Fortnight with their friends across the USA.

--
Don't get stuck in a closet -- wear yourself out.

On Fri, 10 May 2024 16:04:09 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I mostly gave up on video games after Pong. I guess I have played a
> couple of the kind where you have to figure out puzzles, like Myst. And
> if Mahjong is considered a video game I play that and pinochle
> sometimes.

I'm not that great at hand-eye coordination which leads to frustration
starting as far back as Centipede. I have an old XBox and enjoyed some of
the titles. I forget which version but I gave GTA to a friend's kid
because I couldn't figure out how it worked. I sure the 12 year old aced
it. I gave up on Assassin's Creed when I got tired of the endless running
over roofs to get back to where you were after you respawned.

On Fri, 10 May 2024 12:27:58 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

> The game is more about dealing with a religious cult that has taken over
> the county than any politics.

That's not a stretch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Church_Universal_and_Triumphant#Creating_Camelot_and_Glastonbury

The nutters never tried to take over Park County but the CUT people
weren't exactly popular.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Freemen

They were more run of the mill sovereign citizen types that a religious
cult. After the Waco and Ruby Ridge fiascoes the Feds handled the
situation very gently but it provided us with amusement for a while.

On Fri, 10 May 2024 15:40:21 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> I dunno, there has been a notable amount of misogyny among male gamers.

Ooh, ooh, GamerGate! I would have missed that except for the overlap with
the Sad Puppies in the Hugo awards. I like Correia's MHI series.

I'm an equal opportunity employer though and Anna Mocikat is one of my
favorites. One of her series draws on her time in the game industry.

https://www.annamocikat.com/cyber-squad/

The Behind Blue Eyes series is better but CyberSquad references BBE as a
game that's under development.

On 2024-05-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 May 2024 16:04:09 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> I mostly gave up on video games after Pong. I guess I have played a
>> couple of the kind where you have to figure out puzzles, like Myst. And
>> if Mahjong is considered a video game I play that and pinochle
>> sometimes.
>
> I'm not that great at hand-eye coordination which leads to frustration
> starting as far back as Centipede. I have an old XBox and enjoyed some of
> the titles. I forget which version but I gave GTA to a friend's kid
> because I couldn't figure out how it worked. I sure the 12 year old aced
> it. I gave up on Assassin's Creed when I got tired of the endless running
> over roofs to get back to where you were after you respawned.

My kids played Assassin's Creed a few years back. And that's all I ever saw
of it. Running on top of roofs. I didn't watch long because it got
monotonous.

I think that's the one that had some decent music though — or maybe that
Skyrim (which I always pronounced "skerim" — even when I found out how it
was supposed to be pronounced). My kids played that one a lot also.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-05-10, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> vallor wrote:
>>
>>>> Hell yeah! Do you get to shoot libtards? With election season coming on
>>>> it would be topical.
>>>
>>>Har, har, har.
>>>
>>>The game is more about dealing with a religious cult that has taken
>>>over the county than any politics.
>>
>> You must mean leftism.
>>
>> Unless leftists controlling the government, the media, the educational
>> system, the medical system, every major corporation, etc, not count as
>> "taken over the country"...
>
> You haven't seen how the Republican party and evangelicals have fallen
> under the sway of k00k Trump? The way the Supreme Court is dominated by
> right-wing morons who make medical decisions based on their law degrees?

Republicans are "kooks" but it's the Woke Democrats who can't tell a man
from a woman. It's the Democrats in California who are trying to pass laws
for man-boy "love." Give me a break.

Of course the Supreme Court is run by "right-wing morons" in you mind
because they don't vote the way the Woke mob thinks they should vote. That's
why our country was supposed to be a Republic, no a Democracy, because true
democracies decay into mob rule.

> You think leftists control the media? Not in general. Even the mainstream
> media (ABC etc) are owned by people who care about "eyeballs", rather than
> facts. They don't really publish the grotesqueries of Trump, because, frankly,
> they like the tax breaks that Trump promises, nor do they want magahats to
> stop viewing their news. (Probably a futile hope).

And what are these "grotequeries" of Trump you're so concerned about? Was
cocaine found in the White House when Trump was there? Nope. Was Trump's son
running around with meth (or whatever Hunter was taking) with (maybe
underage) prostitutes and illegal fireams. Nope. Did Trump try to misuse the
court system to keep Biden from running or off the ballot Nope. Talk about
election interference. Did Trump manage to find rich payoffs for himself and
his son in Ukraine and China? Nope.

> The medical system is supposedly devoted to "do no harm", i.e. support for
> all pations.
>
> Major corporations support diversity and environment nominally, but still
> respond to the bottom line.

The medical system is almost as corrupt as the current (and past) White
House administrations.

> Leftists control the government? :-D That's just silly. The FBI, military,
> most other gov departments are full of conservatives.

Yeah, right. Just silly. That's why the FBI infiltrated Catholic churches
and arrested protesters at anti-abortion rallies. That's why they
investigated "terrorist" parents who protested Woke stupidity in their
schools.

Sorry, Chris, you're not fooling anyone. This is administration is too
hamfisted for us to miss their obvious "sledgehammer" Woke agenda.

> As final "proof", note the polls about milquestoast Biden versus
> k00k Trump.

Biden is senile. He's not the one pulling his own strings.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Sat, 11 May 2024 07:06:48 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> My kids played Assassin's Creed a few years back. And that's all I ever
> saw of it. Running on top of roofs. I didn't watch long because it got
> monotonous.

It was one of the more boring games I tried. Maybe spending time on the
rooftops wasn't all bad. I finally gave up on it when I was killed by a
gang of assassins; respawn and be surrounded by the same gang and get
killed immediately. Rinse and repeat. I suppose there was some way to
escape.

On Sat, 11 May 2024 07:06:48 +0000, RonB wrote:

> On 2024-05-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 16:04:09 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>> I mostly gave up on video games after Pong. I guess I have played a
>>> couple of the kind where you have to figure out puzzles, like Myst.
>>> And if Mahjong is considered a video game I play that and pinochle
>>> sometimes.
>>
>> I'm not that great at hand-eye coordination which leads to frustration
>> starting as far back as Centipede. I have an old XBox and enjoyed some
>> of the titles. I forget which version but I gave GTA to a friend's kid
>> because I couldn't figure out how it worked. I sure the 12 year old
>> aced it. I gave up on Assassin's Creed when I got tired of the endless
>> running over roofs to get back to where you were after you respawned.
>
> My kids played Assassin's Creed a few years back. And that's all I ever
> saw of it. Running on top of roofs. I didn't watch long because it got
> monotonous.
>
> I think that's the one that had some decent music though — or maybe that
> Skyrim (which I always pronounced "skerim" — even when I found out how
> it was supposed to be pronounced). My kids played that one a lot also.

There is admittedly a lot of running on roofs in Assassin's Creed games,
but you mostly do it to stay away from the enemies that might spot you on
the ground and cause a fight. Additionally, getting to the highest point
allows you to survey an area and determine where the most important items
are. It's a fantastic series.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Fri, 10 May 2024 16:04:09 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> I mostly gave up on video games after Pong. I guess I have played a
>> couple of the kind where you have to figure out puzzles, like Myst. And
>> if Mahjong is considered a video game I play that and pinochle
>> sometimes.
>
> I'm not that great at hand-eye coordination which leads to frustration
> starting as far back as Centipede. I have an old XBox and enjoyed some of
> the titles. I forget which version but I gave GTA to a friend's kid
> because I couldn't figure out how it worked. I sure the 12 year old aced
> it. I gave up on Assassin's Creed when I got tired of the endless running
> over roofs to get back to where you were after you respawned.

The Onion News Network had a funny-as-hell round-table about video game
violence. Wish I could find it again.

One sample (paraphrased):

"These video games are very misleading! They make you think
that it's easy to kill a prostitute! It isn't easy! It's hard
work!"

--
The time is right to make new friends.

On 5/9/2024 8:41 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 8 May 2024 08:28:23 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> On 2024-05-08 12:56 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> CPU-Z is only freeware, CPU-X is Free Software.
>>
>> For an end user, there is no difference.
>
> Yes there is. Your freeware comes with a long EULA with a whole lot of
> conditions you have to agree to, that most people click through without
> even reading,

That's their fault.

> only for it to bite them later. Like being able to run
> hidden telemetry on your system and harvest your data for their own
> purposes.

If it's in the license it's not hidden.

If you agree to it, it's not "spying" (like that worm shitv believes).

> Free Software doesn’t try to con you into things you didn’t know you were
> agreeing to.

What, you never read that stupid, impenetrable, restrictive GuhNoo GPL 3
(under which CPU-X is released)?

It's twice as long and MUCH more restrictive than the CPU-Z license.

It has a SHITLOAD of "you must" or "you may/may not" or other
conditional clauses restricting your freedom to use the software, far
far far more than the CPU-Z license, and far more than most proprietary
licenses I've read.

On Sat, 11 May 2024 14:35:35 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 5/9/2024 8:41 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 May 2024 08:28:23 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-05-08 12:56 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> CPU-Z is only freeware, CPU-X is Free Software.
>>>
>>> For an end user, there is no difference.
>>
>> Yes there is. Your freeware comes with a long EULA with a whole lot of
>> conditions you have to agree to, that most people click through without
>> even reading,
>
> That's their fault.

It is, but even if you do read it, the language used isn't always clear.
>> only for it to bite them later. Like being able to run hidden telemetry
>> on your system and harvest your data for their own purposes.
>
>
> If it's in the license it's not hidden.
>
> If you agree to it, it's not "spying" (like that worm shitv believes).

You often agree to it because it is often worded in such a way that it
doesn't sound so bad. I'll be honest though: the telemetry doesn't bother
me as much as the knowledge that the corporation supports causes that I
strongly disagree with. On the other hand, most companies behind Linux do
too.

>> Free Software doesn’t try to con you into things you didn’t know you
>> were agreeing to.
>
> What, you never read that stupid, impenetrable, restrictive GuhNoo GPL 3
> (under which CPU-X is released)?
>
> It's twice as long and MUCH more restrictive than the CPU-Z license.
>
> It has a SHITLOAD of "you must" or "you may/may not" or other
> conditional clauses restricting your freedom to use the software, far
> far far more than the CPU-Z license, and far more than most proprietary
> licenses I've read.

The GPL license was written in such a way that it basically protects the
user, but not the developer. Wretched Stallman, at the very least, gave
that impression in his book. It is technically possible to keep ownership
of the software and make a profit with it, but it is rather difficult the
moment you slap the GPL on the code.