Apparently Windows machines worldwide BSOD'd last night.

~~~
What Caused Such a Widespread Tech Meltdown?

There have been two issues affecting Microsoft systems in quick succession,
adding to the confusion over a global outage.

An outage has hit computers around the world, affecting airlines,
hospitals, retailers and other businesses. So how did that happen?

At the heart of it, there have been two issues in quick succession
involving widely used Microsoft systems, and some users may have been
affected by both of them.

On Thursday, some Microsoft clients in the central United States,
including some airlines, were affected by an outage on its cloud service
system, Azure. Microsoft’s cloud service status page indicated the
company had identified a preliminary cause.

Some users may still be unable to access certain Microsoft 365 apps and
services, including Teams video conferencing. The company was aware of
the issue “affecting a subset of customers,” a Microsoft representative
said in a statement. “We acknowledge the impact this can have on
customers, and we are working to restore services for those still
experiencing disruptions as quickly as possible.”

(Ah the joys of applications in the "Cloud.")

Separately, on Friday many Windows devices experienced problems involving
CrowdStrike, according to the Azure status page. “We’re aware of an issue
affecting Windows devices due to an update from a third-party software
platform,” according to the representative. “We anticipate a resolution
is forthcoming.”

That outage was caused by a flawed security update by CrowdStrike. George
Kurtz, the company’s chief executive, said in a statement that it was
“actively working with customers impacted by a defect found in a single
content update for Windows hosts.” He added: “This is not a security
incident or cyberattack. The issue has been identified, isolated and a
fix has been deployed.”

The issue appeared to be with an update to CrowdStrike software called
Falcon Sensor, according to Lukasz Olejnik, an independent cybersecurity
researcher and consultant. An updated fix of the software has been sent
to computers, but Mr. Olejnik said outages would probably persist because
it was not clear how to fix the huge numbers of computers that had
already been affected.

A big part of the problem lies with the current suggested solution, which
is to reboot each computer manually into safe mode, delete a specific
file, and then restart the computer normally. Security experts said that
while it is a relatively simple process, there is no way to automate it
at scale.

“There is a workaround, but it requires manually tampering with Windows
systems files in recovery mode,” Mr. Olejnik said. “Such practice is in
general not advised ordinarily, as mistakes may cause other problems.”

That leaves affected organizations with a major quandary: how to raise
the huge numbers of qualified professionals to go through and update the
computers one by one. It could mean that even with the problem known and
a patch sent, systems outages could persist for much of the day, if not
longer, according to experts. Those with organized and well-staffed
information technology teams could potentially fix it more quickly, said
Mr. Olejnik.
~~~
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/19/business/microsoft-outage-cause-azure-crowdstrike.html

Damned Windows "hobbyware." Good thing I use Linux.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote at 13:46 this Friday (GMT):
> Apparently Windows machines worldwide BSOD'd last night.
>
> ~~~
> What Caused Such a Widespread Tech Meltdown?
>
> There have been two issues affecting Microsoft systems in quick succession,
> adding to the confusion over a global outage.
>
> An outage has hit computers around the world, affecting airlines,
> hospitals, retailers and other businesses. So how did that happen?
>
> At the heart of it, there have been two issues in quick succession
> involving widely used Microsoft systems, and some users may have been
> affected by both of them.
>
> On Thursday, some Microsoft clients in the central United States,
> including some airlines, were affected by an outage on its cloud service
> system, Azure. Microsoft’s cloud service status page indicated the
> company had identified a preliminary cause.
>
> Some users may still be unable to access certain Microsoft 365 apps and
> services, including Teams video conferencing. The company was aware of
> the issue “affecting a subset of customers,” a Microsoft representative
> said in a statement. “We acknowledge the impact this can have on
> customers, and we are working to restore services for those still
> experiencing disruptions as quickly as possible.”
>
> (Ah the joys of applications in the "Cloud.")

And everything being so centralized :(

> Separately, on Friday many Windows devices experienced problems involving
> CrowdStrike, according to the Azure status page. “We’re aware of an issue
> affecting Windows devices due to an update from a third-party software
> platform,” according to the representative. “We anticipate a resolution
> is forthcoming.”
>
> That outage was caused by a flawed security update by CrowdStrike. George
> Kurtz, the company’s chief executive, said in a statement that it was
> “actively working with customers impacted by a defect found in a single
> content update for Windows hosts.” He added: “This is not a security
> incident or cyberattack. The issue has been identified, isolated and a
> fix has been deployed.”
>
> The issue appeared to be with an update to CrowdStrike software called
> Falcon Sensor, according to Lukasz Olejnik, an independent cybersecurity
> researcher and consultant. An updated fix of the software has been sent
> to computers, but Mr. Olejnik said outages would probably persist because
> it was not clear how to fix the huge numbers of computers that had
> already been affected.
>
> A big part of the problem lies with the current suggested solution, which
> is to reboot each computer manually into safe mode, delete a specific
> file, and then restart the computer normally. Security experts said that
> while it is a relatively simple process, there is no way to automate it
> at scale.

How does that error even happen? Wouldn't the program be able to access
any files it made? Or is it a issue with some Windows process creating a
buggy cache file??

> “There is a workaround, but it requires manually tampering with Windows
> systems files in recovery mode,” Mr. Olejnik said. “Such practice is in
> general not advised ordinarily, as mistakes may cause other problems.”
>
> That leaves affected organizations with a major quandary: how to raise
> the huge numbers of qualified professionals to go through and update the
> computers one by one. It could mean that even with the problem known and
> a patch sent, systems outages could persist for much of the day, if not
> longer, according to experts. Those with organized and well-staffed
> information technology teams could potentially fix it more quickly, said
> Mr. Olejnik.
> ~~~
> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/19/business/microsoft-outage-cause-azure-crowdstrike.html
>
> Damned Windows "hobbyware." Good thing I use Linux.
>

--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

>Damned Windows "hobbyware." Good thing I use Linux.

This is, of course, a server bug, not relevant to the desktop PC, but
I don't find M$'s code to be that wonderful.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Jul 19, 2024 at 2:33:25 PM EDT, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Damned Windows "hobbyware." Good thing I use Linux.
>
>
> This is, of course, a server bug, not relevant to the desktop PC, but
> I don't find M$'s code to be that wonderful.

This is not just servers. Any Windows box running Crowdstrike Falcon can be
affected.

And BTW, Windows server is exactly the same OS as Windows desktop. There are a
few registry settings that are different. That is all.

In fact, back in the Windows NT 4 days, it was possble to change the desktop
into a "server" by changing a single registry setting. You could then install
SQL Server, Exchange, etc.

Anyways, the fix for this is to boot into safe mode, go to
windows\system32\drivers\crowdstrike and delete c-0000029*.sys. Reboot.

Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>On Jul 19, 2024 at 2:33:25?PM EDT, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is, of course, a server bug, not relevant to the desktop PC, but
>> I don't find M$'s code to be that wonderful.
>
>This is not just servers. Any Windows box running Crowdstrike Falcon can be
>affected.
>
>And BTW, Windows server is exactly the same OS as Windows desktop. There are a
>few registry settings that are different. That is all.
>
>In fact, back in the Windows NT 4 days, it was possble to change the desktop
>into a "server" by changing a single registry setting. You could then install
>SQL Server, Exchange, etc.
>
>Anyways, the fix for this is to boot into safe mode, go to
>windows\system32\drivers\crowdstrike and delete c-0000029*.sys. Reboot.

Free hint, I'm running Linux.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Jul 19, 2024 at 7:53:12 PM EDT, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>> On Jul 19, 2024 at 2:33:25?PM EDT, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is, of course, a server bug, not relevant to the desktop PC, but
>>> I don't find M$'s code to be that wonderful.
>>
>> This is not just servers. Any Windows box running Crowdstrike Falcon can be
>> affected.
>>
>> And BTW, Windows server is exactly the same OS as Windows desktop. There are a
>> few registry settings that are different. That is all.
>>
>> In fact, back in the Windows NT 4 days, it was possble to change the desktop
>> into a "server" by changing a single registry setting. You could then install
>> SQL Server, Exchange, etc.
>>
>> Anyways, the fix for this is to boot into safe mode, go to
>> windows\system32\drivers\crowdstrike and delete c-0000029*.sys. Reboot.
>
>
> Free hint, I'm running Linux.

Which has nothing to do with the topic at hand. You claimed the current
Cloudstrike issue was "a server bug". It is not. Windows is Windows, server
and desktop are the same.

Free hint: Get a clue.

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 22:05:05 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

> And BTW, Windows server is exactly the same OS as Windows desktop. There
> are a few registry settings that are different. That is all.

That’s no longer true.

> In fact, back in the Windows NT 4 days, it was possble to change the
> desktop into a "server" by changing a single registry setting. You could
> then install SQL Server, Exchange, etc.

Microsoft soon fixed that.

> Anyways, the fix for this is to boot into safe mode, go to
> windows\system32\drivers\crowdstrike and delete c-0000029*.sys. Reboot.

Where do you click to do that?

Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:

>>>> This is, of course, a server bug, not relevant to the desktop PC, but
>>>> I don't find M$'s code to be that wonderful.
>>>
>>> This is not just servers. Any Windows box running Crowdstrike Falcon can be
>>> affected.
>>>
>>> And BTW, Windows server is exactly the same OS as Windows desktop. There are a
>>> few registry settings that are different. That is all.
>>>
>>> In fact, back in the Windows NT 4 days, it was possble to change the desktop
>>> into a "server" by changing a single registry setting. You could then install
>>> SQL Server, Exchange, etc.
>>>
>>> Anyways, the fix for this is to boot into safe mode, go to
>>> windows\system32\drivers\crowdstrike and delete c-0000029*.sys. Reboot.
>>
>> Free hint, I'm running Linux.

I was drunk off my ass when I wrote that, sorry.

>Which has nothing to do with the topic at hand. You claimed the current
>Cloudstrike issue was "a server bug". It is not. Windows is Windows, server
>and desktop are the same.
>
>Free hint: Get a clue.

It's something that wouldn't require server to run, probably, that
doesn't mean any PC user who doesn't know specifically what they're
using would be using Falcon.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 7/20/2024 11:35 AM, Joel wrote:

> I was drunk off my ass

Why?

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> I was drunk off my ass
>
>Why?

I had a lot of stronger beer.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 7/20/2024 12:01 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>> I was drunk off my ass
>>
>> Why?
>
>
> I had a lot of stronger beer.

I asked why, not how.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>>> I was drunk off my ass
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> I had a lot of stronger beer.
>
>I asked why, not how.

I probably wanted to keep drinking. I don't remember specifically
thinking about stopping at some point, but I don't remember the
experience well generally.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 13:46:48 -0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
wrote in <v7dqo8$30ktp$1@dont-email.me>:

> Apparently Windows machines worldwide BSOD'd last night.

Therefore, DFS has decided that he needs to post more
anti-Linux trolls with no basis in reality.

Nobody is fooled, LOL.

>
> ~~~
> What Caused Such a Widespread Tech Meltdown?
>
> There have been two issues affecting Microsoft systems in quick
> succession,
> adding to the confusion over a global outage.
>
> An outage has hit computers around the world, affecting airlines,
> hospitals, retailers and other businesses. So how did that happen?
>
> At the heart of it, there have been two issues in quick succession
> involving widely used Microsoft systems, and some users may have been
> affected by both of them.
>
> On Thursday, some Microsoft clients in the central United States,
> including some airlines, were affected by an outage on its cloud
> service system, Azure. Microsoft’s cloud service status page
> indicated the company had identified a preliminary cause.
>
> Some users may still be unable to access certain Microsoft 365 apps
> and services, including Teams video conferencing. The company was
> aware of the issue “affecting a subset of customers,” a Microsoft
> representative said in a statement. “We acknowledge the impact this
> can have on customers, and we are working to restore services for
> those still experiencing disruptions as quickly as possible.”
>
> (Ah the joys of applications in the "Cloud.")
>
> Separately, on Friday many Windows devices experienced problems
> involving CrowdStrike, according to the Azure status page. “We’re
> aware of an issue affecting Windows devices due to an update from a
> third-party software platform,” according to the representative. “We
> anticipate a resolution is forthcoming.”
>
> That outage was caused by a flawed security update by CrowdStrike.
> George Kurtz, the company’s chief executive, said in a statement that
> it was “actively working with customers impacted by a defect found in
> a single content update for Windows hosts.” He added: “This is not a
> security incident or cyberattack. The issue has been identified,
> isolated and a fix has been deployed.”
>
> The issue appeared to be with an update to CrowdStrike software
> called Falcon Sensor, according to Lukasz Olejnik, an independent
> cybersecurity researcher and consultant. An updated fix of the
> software has been sent to computers, but Mr. Olejnik said outages
> would probably persist because it was not clear how to fix the huge
> numbers of computers that had already been affected.
>
> A big part of the problem lies with the current suggested solution,
> which is to reboot each computer manually into safe mode, delete a
> specific file, and then restart the computer normally. Security
> experts said that while it is a relatively simple process, there is
> no way to automate it at scale.
>
> “There is a workaround, but it requires manually tampering with
> Windows systems files in recovery mode,” Mr. Olejnik said. “Such
> practice is in general not advised ordinarily, as mistakes may cause
> other problems.”
>
> That leaves affected organizations with a major quandary: how to
> raise the huge numbers of qualified professionals to go through and
> update the computers one by one. It could mean that even with the
> problem known and a patch sent, systems outages could persist for
> much of the day, if not longer, according to experts. Those with
> organized and well-staffed information technology teams could
> potentially fix it more quickly, said Mr. Olejnik.
> ~~~
> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/19/business/microsoft-outage-cause-
azure-crowdstrike.html
>
> Damned Windows "hobbyware." Good thing I use Linux.

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.9.9 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"If Windows sucked, it would be good for something!"

On 7/20/2024 12:27 PM, vallor wrote:

> "If Windows sucked, it would be good for something!"

Like you said: "Nobody is fooled."

On 2024-07-20 11:55 a.m., DFS wrote:
> On 7/20/2024 11:35 AM, Joel wrote:
>
>
>> I was drunk off my ass
>
> Why?

Because a large daily amount of drugs is mandatory to make life as Joel
Crump tolerable.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged savages

CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>On 2024-07-20 11:55 a.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 7/20/2024 11:35 AM, Joel wrote:
>>
>>> I was drunk off my ass
>>
>> Why?
>
>Because a large daily amount of drugs is mandatory to make life as Joel
>Crump tolerable.

It might be addiction but it's also enhancing, not detracting, from
stuff. I'm not always blackout drunk or at all drunk. On that note,
I'm gonna dose DXM.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 7/20/2024 12:22 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> I was drunk off my ass
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> I had a lot of stronger beer.
>>
>> I asked why, not how.
>
>
> I probably wanted to keep drinking. I don't remember specifically
> thinking about stopping at some point, but I don't remember the
> experience well generally.

If I keep asking Why?, at some point you'll reveal why you feel the
need, at 40+ years old, to get 'drunk off my ass'.

Linux Mint would be my guess.

On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 14:43:05 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 7/20/2024 12:22 PM, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I was drunk off my ass
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> I had a lot of stronger beer.
>>>
>>> I asked why, not how.
>>
>>
>> I probably wanted to keep drinking. I don't remember specifically
>> thinking about stopping at some point, but I don't remember the
>> experience well generally.
>
>
> If I keep asking Why?, at some point you'll reveal why you feel the
> need, at 40+ years old, to get 'drunk off my ass'.
>

Well, then, why don't you breast feed your little baby?

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Why don't you breast feed your little darling with your
fully erect 2 inch cock?

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Nux Vomica

Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>>>>> I was drunk off my ass
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> I had a lot of stronger beer.
>>>
>>> I asked why, not how.
>>
>> I probably wanted to keep drinking. I don't remember specifically
>> thinking about stopping at some point, but I don't remember the
>> experience well generally.
>
>If I keep asking Why?, at some point you'll reveal why you feel the
>need, at 40+ years old, to get 'drunk off my ass'.
>
>Linux Mint would be my guess.

Is MS paying you to make yourself look unrealistic? Linux is provably
better than Windows NT-64bit-modern-version, but people accept Windows
as standard, one can like Jeff stick with one old version that doesn't
bloat.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-07-19, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
> On Jul 19, 2024 at 2:33:25 PM EDT, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Damned Windows "hobbyware." Good thing I use Linux.
>>
>>
>> This is, of course, a server bug, not relevant to the desktop PC, but
>> I don't find M$'s code to be that wonderful.

The thing is, a bad setting when installing of a single application
should not be able to take down the whole OS. That's just crazy.

I'm not sure if this was the issue with Microsoft's Cloud. The writer of the
Guardian article says they were not related, but I have trouble believing
that.

> This is not just servers. Any Windows box running Crowdstrike Falcon can be
> affected.
>
> And BTW, Windows server is exactly the same OS as Windows desktop. There are a
> few registry settings that are different. That is all.
>
> In fact, back in the Windows NT 4 days, it was possble to change the desktop
> into a "server" by changing a single registry setting. You could then install
> SQL Server, Exchange, etc.
>
> Anyways, the fix for this is to boot into safe mode, go to
> windows\system32\drivers\crowdstrike and delete c-0000029*.sys. Reboot.

Apparently this has to be done on a machine by machine basis.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-07-20 2:43 p.m., DFS wrote:
> On 7/20/2024 12:22 PM, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I was drunk off my ass
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> I had a lot of stronger beer.
>>>
>>> I asked why, not how.
>>
>>
>> I probably wanted to keep drinking.  I don't remember specifically
>> thinking about stopping at some point, but I don't remember the
>> experience well generally.
>
>
> If I keep asking Why?, at some point you'll reveal why you feel the
> need, at 40+ years old, to get 'drunk off my ass'.
>
> Linux Mint would be my guess.

Not being married or having a family would be my guess. A lot of men end
up feeling like they haven't accomplished a thing until they become
husbands and fathers.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Gender and race are both "social constructs" so sexism and racism don't
exist

On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:13:13 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I'm not sure if this was the issue with Microsoft's Cloud. The writer of
> the Guardian article says they were not related, but I have trouble
> believing that.

No, the Microsoft 365 problem is a separate issue. M$ screwed up the
Central US Azure node.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/major-microsoft-365-
outage-caused-by-azure-configuration-change/

The CrowdStrike problem affects any Windows machine that has their EDR
installed. That's a much greater problem that's not limited to Azure.

https://thehackernews.com/2024/07/faulty-crowdstrike-update-crashes.html

Even better, the black hats were overjoyed when they release their RATs.

https://thehackernews.com/2024/07/faulty-crowdstrike-update-crashes.html

Nite: the Hacker News is a legitimate white hat site, not one of the
iffier ones I could mention.

On 7/20/2024 3:40 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> I was drunk off my ass
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a lot of stronger beer.
>>>>
>>>> I asked why, not how.
>>>
>>> I probably wanted to keep drinking. I don't remember specifically
>>> thinking about stopping at some point, but I don't remember the
>>> experience well generally.
>>
>> If I keep asking Why?, at some point you'll reveal why you feel the
>> need, at 40+ years old, to get 'drunk off my ass'.
>>
>> Linux Mint would be my guess.
>
>
> Is MS paying you to make yourself look unrealistic? Linux is provably
> better than Windows NT-64bit-modern-version,

Sez you. It's not faster or better looking or more stable or easier to
use than Windows. Manual installation vs Windows is probably a wash.
*Maybe* - depending on the distro - Linux uses marginally less hardware
resources than Windows, but the extremely low cost of memory and hard
drive space makes that a moot point.

It has some advantages for setup and development of non-GUI software,
but WSL generally removes that advantage by putting a Linux kernel and
bash shell and even graphical Linux apps one click away. Plus there's
MSYS2.

You can't beat the flexibility and scalability of Linux, so if you're
into tinkering around and switching panels and login managers and window
managers and desktop environments willy nilly, Linux is the only game in
town.

For some, the Microsoft Corp and their insistence on telemetry is reason
enough to not use Windows. As is the closed source.

For me, the hobbyist (cr)apps endemic to Linux are a turnoff. It's a
big compromise I'm not willing to make (but I do like to support
small/one-man developers, like the Taiwanese guy who codes Notepad++).

> but people accept Windows
> as standard, one can like Jeff stick with one old version that doesn't
> bloat.

Relf is still on Win10 I believe.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>> Linux Mint [is bad]
>>
>> Is MS paying you to make yourself look unrealistic? Linux is provably
>> better than Windows NT-64bit-modern-version,
>
>Sez you. It's not faster or better looking or more stable or easier to
>use than Windows. Manual installation vs Windows is probably a wash.
>*Maybe* - depending on the distro - Linux uses marginally less hardware
>resources than Windows, but the extremely low cost of memory and hard
>drive space makes that a moot point.
>
>It has some advantages for setup and development of non-GUI software,
>but WSL generally removes that advantage by putting a Linux kernel and
>bash shell and even graphical Linux apps one click away. Plus there's
>MSYS2.
>
>You can't beat the flexibility and scalability of Linux, so if you're
>into tinkering around and switching panels and login managers and window
>managers and desktop environments willy nilly, Linux is the only game in
>town.
>
>For some, the Microsoft Corp and their insistence on telemetry is reason
>enough to not use Windows. As is the closed source.
>
>For me, the hobbyist (cr)apps endemic to Linux are a turnoff. It's a
>big compromise I'm not willing to make (but I do like to support
>small/one-man developers, like the Taiwanese guy who codes Notepad++).

You are making my argument for me while supporting M$ in creating
"telemetry" that is trespassing in people's hardware space. And I
paid $200 for it? Wow. Linux for free or voluntary donations to
organizations sounds like a pretty convincing deal, to me, I can run
apps to replace everything except freakin' Usenet (and could with that
app too, I just don't wish to). I think people who want good value
know Linux.

>> but people accept Windows
>> as standard, one can like Jeff stick with one old version that doesn't
>> bloat.
>
>Relf is still on Win10 I believe.

It's his way of having what I have - freeze M$ at an earlier time.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 7/20/2024 7:31 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Linux Mint [is bad]
>>>
>>> Is MS paying you to make yourself look unrealistic? Linux is provably
>>> better than Windows NT-64bit-modern-version,
>>
>> Sez you. It's not faster or better looking or more stable or easier to
>> use than Windows. Manual installation vs Windows is probably a wash.
>> *Maybe* - depending on the distro - Linux uses marginally less hardware
>> resources than Windows, but the extremely low cost of memory and hard
>> drive space makes that a moot point.
>>
>> It has some advantages for setup and development of non-GUI software,
>> but WSL generally removes that advantage by putting a Linux kernel and
>> bash shell and even graphical Linux apps one click away. Plus there's
>> MSYS2.
>>
>> You can't beat the flexibility and scalability of Linux, so if you're
>> into tinkering around and switching panels and login managers and window
>> managers and desktop environments willy nilly, Linux is the only game in
>> town.
>>
>> For some, the Microsoft Corp and their insistence on telemetry is reason
>> enough to not use Windows. As is the closed source.
>>
>> For me, the hobbyist (cr)apps endemic to Linux are a turnoff. It's a
>> big compromise I'm not willing to make (but I do like to support
>> small/one-man developers, like the Taiwanese guy who codes Notepad++).
>
>
> You are making my argument for me while supporting M$ in creating
> "telemetry" that is trespassing in people's hardware space.

Why is telemetry in quotes? It's not trespassing, since to use Windows
you have to give MS permission to collect whatever data they say they're
collecting.

Do you know what personal data is being sucked off your Linux system by
all the FOSS apps you run? No you don't. Feeb didn't either, until I
clued him in that cooledit phoned home when it was first installed and
sent some hardware specs back to the developer.

> And I paid $200 for it?

You could've gotten it much cheaper, legally.

Right now, $23 for Win11 Pro

https://www.stacksocial.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro-6

> Wow. Linux for free or voluntary donations to
> organizations sounds like a pretty convincing deal, to me,

Free Linux isn't a cost worth bearing. It's fun to tinker with
sometimes, but day to day? Not a chance.

> I can run
> apps to replace everything except freakin' Usenet (and could with that
> app too, I just don't wish to). I think people who want good value
> know Linux.

A LOT more people are willing to pay for Apple and Windows.

>>> but people accept Windows
>>> as standard, one can like Jeff stick with one old version that doesn't
>>> bloat.
>>
>> Relf is still on Win10 I believe.
>
>
> It's his way of having what I have - freeze M$ at an earlier time.

6 months ago I setup Win7 on an older computer (that I donated). I
could still be happy with it, but a lot of current software isn't
supported on it.