On 7/17/24 12:58 AM, max headroom wrote:
> In news:v75ok1$18dic$1@dont-email.me, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
> typed:
>
>> On 7/15/24 1:20 AM, max headroom wrote:
>>> In news:jd359jhnmcn9obn694t4e2br3bs3gegpgn@4ax.com, Governor Swill
>>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 22:02:25 -0700, "max headroom" wrote:
>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>typed:
>>>>>> On 7/11/24 10:08 PM, max headroom wrote:
>
>>>> <snip>
>
>>>>>>> His withdrawal of our troops from Afghanistan speaks volumes
>>>>>>> still... and that wasn't an emergency.
>
>>>>>> Nope.
>
>>>>>> It was an emergency, because it was already August, whereas the
>>>>>> treaty deadline for the USA to have gotten completely out was May.
>
>>>>> Biden had been Commander in Chief since January. If it was an
>>>>> emergency, it was an emergency of Biden's making.
>
>>>> The withdrawal and it's schedule were negotiated by September the
>>>> year before. The withdrawal itself began before Biden was elected.
>>>> Most of the troops to be withdrawn were already gone before Biden was
>>>> even sworn in. The due date was May but Biden delayed that until
>>>> September in order to have more time to get more people and equipment out.
>
>>> So Biden felt no hesitance toward ignoring the schedule.
>
>> Except that it wasn't. That's why in the end the final date was moved
>> up to 8/31, rather than the announced 9/11 date. The Taliban were
>> worried - and rightfully so (see DoD recommendation to stay) that the
>> US wouldn't actually depart as they had promised, which is why there
>> was increasing tension after 5/1, which motivated the suicide bombing.
>
> Except you're wrong. The suicide bombing occurred -during- the evacuation from
> the Kabul airport.; the Taliban was providing security after capturing the city
> 12 days earlier; the bomber was an ISIS member.
>
>>>> The Afghanistan debacle was of Trump's making. To start with, he
>>>> ignored the internationally recognized government and negotiated
>>>> with terrorists who repeatedly broke the terms of the agreement.
>
>>> So the agreement was null and void.
>
>> Two separate issues there, bud: Trump made the Doha Agreement without
>> the internationally recognized government of the country, which was
>> clearly wrong. Once that agreement had been made, there were various
>> claims about who broke what but these were never legally resolved, and
>> because the clock was ticking, effectively became moot. For the most
>> part, pointing out the Taliban violations (which were actually more of
>> them not having full control over their militia) was what bought the
>> USA the deadline extension from May (when we weren't ready, due to no
>> plan written before 2021) until August, but as can be seen with the
>> suicide bombing, not everyone agreed with giving the US that time
>> accommodation.
>
> The DoD has plans for every contingency, from an invasion by Bolivia to an
> invasion of Russia. The idea that they were caught with their pants down is
> ludicrous.
>
>>>>>> Plus that whole situation was set up by Trump. Not just the
>>>>>> treadty but also including the US troop withdrawals completed
>>>>>> before 20 Jan 2020, which left the main base tactically
>>>>>> indefensible.
>
>>>>> And yet, after the treaty was signed, the only U.S. troops to be
>>>>> killed in action were the 13 killed at the Kabul airport.
>
>>>> Others were killed in other parts of the country....
>
>>> Nope.
>
>> Correct: the only US military active duty casualties in 2021 were from the
>> August bombing. However, there were non-US casualties. Here's one summary
>> listing, but note that the "who" varies (both sides), plus many are quite
>> ambiguous as to who the perpetrator was:
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2021_Afghanistan_attacks
>
>> Two of note:
>
>> Kabul school bombing (May 2021): killed 85, mostly young school girls
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Kabul_school_bombing
>
>> Kabul airport attack (Aug 2021) where there was also at least 182
>> civilian deaths in addition to the 13 US servicemen:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Kabul_airport_attack
>
> No, the 182 -include- the thirteen American service members.
>
>> Plus let's not forget the the USA's drone retribution strike which
>> targeted & hit the wrong people, killing ten (10) more civilians:
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2021_Kabul_drone_strike
>
> Biden should be happy that the Supremes confirmed the President's immunity for
> official acts
>
>>>> ... But that sad loss ensured the evacuation of thousands from the
>>>> country....
>
>>> How did being the victims of a suicide bomber ensure anything other
>>> than jihadi celebrations?
>
>> It enabled those thousands of civilians to successfully escape
>> repression and likely death at the hands of the Taliban regime.
>
> Again, HOW did being the victims of a suicide bomber ensure anything other than
> jihadi celebrations?
>
>>>> ... There were far fewer casualties leaving Afghanistan than there
>>>> were evacuating Saigon.
>
>>> The evacuation of Saigon wasn't scheduled months in advance.
>
>> Try actually reading the history. Specifically, the prior evacuations
>> which occurred in the weeks prior to the embassy helicopter airlift:
>> in addition to Operation Frequent Wind, there was also at least
>> Operation Babylift and Operation New Life:
>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Frequent_Wind>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Babylift>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_New_Life
>
>> Also insightful to show timelines:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Saigon#American_administration_plans_for_final_evacuation
>
>>>>>> Such as how your above statement hinges on how there were a ~dozen
>>>>>> casualties, but ignores how many were rescued in return:
>
>>>>> Thirteen U.S. personnel and ~170 others.
>
>>>> What others?
>
>>> Afghan civilians.
>
>> Which suddenly you now care about. How convenient.
>
> Upon what basis do you write that?
>
>>>>> How many were left behind?
>
>>>> How many got out?
>
>>> How many fell from the wings of departing jets? That's the image the
>>> world remembers of the American exit from Afghanistan.
>
>> Superficially so, as subsequent reports are estimating that ~30,000
>> Afghanistani's who didn't successfully escape (or die trying) have
>> since been systematically hunted down & murdered by the Taliban
>> regime.
>
> Hardly a successful evacuation.

From the aforementioned metric, it was more successful than all prior
similar US military evacuation operations in history. Plus it was a
significantly more successful operation than the Britain's evacuation
from Kabul in 1842:

"Out of more than 16,000 people from the column commanded by
Elphinstone, only one European (Assistant Surgeon William Brydon) and a
few Indian sepoys reached Jalalabad."

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1842_retreat_from_Kabul>

>> FYI, simply look back to the history of the Berlin Wall for parallels
>> of people willing to take huge risk (& die trying) to escape repression.
>
> Apples and oranges

Both are fruit: people risking it all to escape a repressive regime.

>>>>> I don't recall Nixon or Ford or Goldwater or even Reagan ever
>>>>> commenting on Joe Biden's incompetence.
>
>>>> Yet the top line Republicans today plus two Presidents have sure
>>>> talked about Trump's.
>
>>> And the top line Democrats today plus a president have sure talked
>>> about Biden's..
>
>> Of course, the real question is what part of "talk" is actually true.
>> /s
>
> We can see Biden's with our own eyes.

On 7/17/24 12:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message
> news:v77j38$1mn6a$3@dont-email.me...
>> In news:v75ok1$18dic$1@dont-email.me, -hh
>> <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
>> typed:
>>
>>> On 7/15/24 1:20 AM, max headroom wrote:
>>>> In news:jd359jhnmcn9obn694t4e2br3bs3gegpgn@4ax.com, Governor Swill
>>>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 22:02:25 -0700, "max headroom"  wrote:
>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>typed:
>>>>>>> On 7/11/24 10:08 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>
>>>>>>>> His withdrawal of our troops from Afghanistan speaks volumes
>>>>>>>> still... and that wasn't an emergency.
>>
>>>>>>> Nope.
>>
>>>>>>> It was an emergency, because it was already August, whereas the
>>>>>>> treaty deadline for the USA to have gotten completely out was May.
>>
>>>>>> Biden had been Commander in Chief since January. If it was an
>>>>>> emergency, it was an emergency of Biden's making.
>>
>>>>> The withdrawal and it's schedule were negotiated by September the
>>>>> year before.  The withdrawal itself began before Biden was elected.
>>>>> Most of the troops to be withdrawn were already gone before Biden was
>>>>> even sworn in.  The due date was May but Biden delayed that until
>>>>> September in order to have more time to get more people and
>>>>> equipment out.
>>
>>>> So Biden felt no hesitance toward ignoring the schedule.
>>
>>> Except that it wasn't.  That's why in the end the final date was moved
>>> up to 8/31, rather than the announced 9/11 date.  The Taliban were
>>> worried - and rightfully so (see DoD recommendation to stay) that the
>>> US wouldn't actually depart as they had promised, which is why there
>>> was increasing tension after 5/1, which motivated the suicide bombing.
>>
>> Except you're wrong. The suicide bombing occurred -during- the
>> evacuation from
>> the Kabul airport.; the Taliban was providing security after capturing
>> the city
>> 12 days earlier; the bomber was an ISIS member.
>
> And of course, we have to ask why they had to resort to a commercial
> airport....
>
> Because Joe, CLOSED the secured airport being used by American forces..
> forcing them to resort to public airports that weren't secure.
>

Nope.

The military base was abandoned because Trump had ordered the DoD to
reduce troop strength to 2000, which made it operationally indefensible
before Jan 2021. We didn't get attacked/overrun there because the
Taliban was content to wait out until the 1 May 2021 deadline of the
Doha Agreement.

After Jan 2021, an actual departure plan was quickly generated, and
parts of that had the DoD tactically shrinking their defensible
perimeter by retreating from two air bases. This left just their
presence at Kabul International.

And FYI, before you try to stupidly suggest that DoD shouldn't have
picked Kabul but kept Bagram airbase, tell us just how you're going to
provide 24/7 security for 77 square kilometers (~19K acres): even if one
pushes it to only 3 shifts/day, that's a troop density of just one (1)
person per 27 acres. In contrast, Kabul International's just 8.5km^2.

-hh

C_V wrote:

>On 7/16/2024 6:21 AM, -hh wrote:
>> Ukraine is a critical test of US resolve and if we fail here, China
>> *will* take Taiwan.
>
>You fucking war-monger shill - you're still playing the "domino theory"
>game long after the USSR was dispatched.
>
>Your deep state bullshit endless war mentality is going DOWN!

C_V is not me, note.

chrisv wrote:
> C_V wrote:
>
>> On 7/16/2024 6:21 AM, -hh wrote:
>>> Ukraine is a critical test of US resolve and if we fail here, China
>>> *will* take Taiwan.
>>
>> You fucking war-monger shill - you're still playing the "domino theory"
>> game long after the USSR was dispatched.
>>
>> Your deep state bullshit endless war mentality is going DOWN!
>
> C_V is not me, note.
>

One of those pro wrestling wankers % invites in?

Does Linux allow alerts if SMB remote disks are modified?

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On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:44:06 -0700, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com>
wrote in <v79hfp$21v3h$1@dont-email.me>:

> chrisv wrote:
>> C_V wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/16/2024 6:21 AM, -hh wrote:
>>>> Ukraine is a critical test of US resolve and if we fail here, China
>>>> *will* take Taiwan.
>>>
>>> You fucking war-monger shill - you're still playing the "domino
>>> theory"
>>> game long after the USSR was dispatched.
>>>
>>> Your deep state bullshit endless war mentality is going DOWN!
>>
>> C_V is not me, note.
>>
>>
> One of those pro wrestling wankers % invites in?

No, they are the weenerbrane that keeps posting to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
losing accounts, and nymshifting. Previously: "CLV" and "Chips Loral".
(Completely unmemorable -- had to look up the names in my Score file.)

> Does Linux allow alerts if SMB remote disks are modified?

Not that I'm aware of, but you can configure Samba to audit
accesses. Have a visit with ChatGPT, it seems to know the
config commands:

[global]
log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
log level = 2
vfs objects = full_audit

[YourShare]
path = /path/to/your/share
read only = no
vfs objects = full_audit
full_audit:prefix = %u|%I|%m|%S
full_audit:success = mkdir rmdir read write pwrite
full_audit:failure = none
full_audit:facility = local7
full_audit:priority = NOTICE

I'd check the man page though, sometimes ChatGPT fibs.

I also found this:

https://linux.die.net/man/8/vfs_full_audit

HTH

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vallor wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:44:06 -0700, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com>
> wrote in <v79hfp$21v3h$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>> C_V wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/16/2024 6:21 AM, -hh wrote:
>>>>> Ukraine is a critical test of US resolve and if we fail here, China
>>>>> *will* take Taiwan.
>>>>
>>>> You fucking war-monger shill - you're still playing the "domino
>>>> theory"
>>>> game long after the USSR was dispatched.
>>>>
>>>> Your deep state bullshit endless war mentality is going DOWN!
>>>
>>> C_V is not me, note.
>>>
>>>
>> One of those pro wrestling wankers % invites in?
>
> No, they are the weenerbrane that keeps posting to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
> losing accounts, and nymshifting. Previously: "CLV" and "Chips Loral".
> (Completely unmemorable -- had to look up the names in my Score file.)

weenerboos? For the youtube version, try zoomer historian.

>
>> Does Linux allow alerts if SMB remote disks are modified?
>
> Not that I'm aware of, but you can configure Samba to audit
> accesses. Have a visit with ChatGPT, it seems to know the
> config commands:

Then start a process to scan the syslog?

I worked on an application that updated on file changes using
inotify, but that only caught changes through the kernel, not
remotely. At the time our solution was to periodically stat remote
file for mtime changes.

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On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 19:15:43 -0700, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com>
wrote in <v79tsn$27lhd$1@dont-email.me>:

> vallor wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:44:06 -0700, Siri Cruise
>> <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com>
>> wrote in <v79hfp$21v3h$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>> C_V wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/16/2024 6:21 AM, -hh wrote:
>>>>>> Ukraine is a critical test of US resolve and if we fail here, China
>>>>>> *will* take Taiwan.
>>>>>
>>>>> You fucking war-monger shill - you're still playing the "domino
>>>>> theory"
>>>>> game long after the USSR was dispatched.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your deep state bullshit endless war mentality is going DOWN!
>>>>
>>>> C_V is not me, note.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> One of those pro wrestling wankers % invites in?
>>
>> No, they are the weenerbrane that keeps posting to
>> alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, losing accounts, and nymshifting. Previously:
>> "CLV" and "Chips Loral". (Completely unmemorable -- had to look up the
>> names in my Score file.)
>
> weenerboos? For the youtube version, try zoomer historian.
>
>
>>> Does Linux allow alerts if SMB remote disks are modified?
>>
>> Not that I'm aware of, but you can configure Samba to audit accesses.
>> Have a visit with ChatGPT, it seems to know the config commands:
>
> Then start a process to scan the syslog?

Exactly.

https://linux.die.net/man/1/swatch

> I worked on an application that updated on file changes using inotify,
> but that only caught changes through the kernel, not remotely. At the
> time our solution was to periodically stat remote file for mtime
> changes.

You could use inotify on the server -- that way you're not slowing
down Samba with audit logging.

Back in the days of yore -- say, 1996 or so -- we needed to speed
up RADIUS lookups with the server. Did it with a library that
acted like getpwnam/getspnam, but held /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow
in memory. As it did its lookups, it checked the time -- and,
every 5 seconds, it would stat the passwd and shadow files for changes.
If either changed, it reloaded the database.

This was in the days before nsswitch and hash file lookups. Ancient
Linux. radiusd would fork for each request, but Linux always
had COW for new process memory. I don't think we could have used
a forking server with this scheme on SunOS, since it would have to
copy the entire in-memory db for each fork.

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On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:46:24 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>C_V wrote:
>
>>On 7/16/2024 6:21 AM, -hh wrote:
>>> Ukraine is a critical test of US resolve and if we fail here, China
>>> *will* take Taiwan.
>>
>>You fucking war-monger shill - you're still playing the "domino theory"
>>game long after the USSR was dispatched.
>>
>>Your deep state bullshit endless war mentality is going DOWN!
>
>C_V is not me, note.

I think we're aware of that.

Swill

On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 12:45:55 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
wrote:

>
>
>"max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message
>news:v77j38$1mn6a$3@dont-email.me...
>> In news:v75ok1$18dic$1@dont-email.me, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
>> typed:
>>
>>> On 7/15/24 1:20 AM, max headroom wrote:
>>>> In news:jd359jhnmcn9obn694t4e2br3bs3gegpgn@4ax.com, Governor Swill
>>>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 22:02:25 -0700, "max headroom" wrote:
>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>typed:
>>>>>>> On 7/11/24 10:08 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>
>>>>>>>> His withdrawal of our troops from Afghanistan speaks volumes
>>>>>>>> still... and that wasn't an emergency.
>>
>>>>>>> Nope.
>>
>>>>>>> It was an emergency, because it was already August, whereas the
>>>>>>> treaty deadline for the USA to have gotten completely out was May.
>>
>>>>>> Biden had been Commander in Chief since January. If it was an
>>>>>> emergency, it was an emergency of Biden's making.
>>
>>>>> The withdrawal and it's schedule were negotiated by September the
>>>>> year before. The withdrawal itself began before Biden was elected.
>>>>> Most of the troops to be withdrawn were already gone before Biden was
>>>>> even sworn in. The due date was May but Biden delayed that until
>>>>> September in order to have more time to get more people and equipment
>>>>> out.
>>
>>>> So Biden felt no hesitance toward ignoring the schedule.
>>
>>> Except that it wasn't. That's why in the end the final date was moved
>>> up to 8/31, rather than the announced 9/11 date. The Taliban were
>>> worried - and rightfully so (see DoD recommendation to stay) that the
>>> US wouldn't actually depart as they had promised, which is why there
>>> was increasing tension after 5/1, which motivated the suicide bombing.
>>
>> Except you're wrong. The suicide bombing occurred -during- the evacuation
>> from
>> the Kabul airport.; the Taliban was providing security after capturing the
>> city
>> 12 days earlier; the bomber was an ISIS member.
>
>And of course, we have to ask why they had to resort to a commercial
>airport....
>
>Because Joe, CLOSED the secured airport being used by American forces..
>forcing them to resort to public airports that weren't secure.

Because Trump had sent so many troops home there weren't enough to guard the airport *and*
the capitol. Starting the withdrawal without a plan from the Pentagon was not one of
Trump's best ideas.

Swill
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