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Subject: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!
From: DFS
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 12:18 UTC

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.... with full phone and ticket support. Such a deal!

https://ubuntu.com/pro/subscribe

That's even more seedy than Red Hat.

MS is doomed.

Subject: Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!
From: rbowman
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 20:06 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 08:18:58 -0400, DFS wrote:

> ... with full phone and ticket support. Such a deal!
>
> https://ubuntu.com/pro/subscribe
>
>
> That's even more seedy than Red Hat.
>
>
> MS is doomed.

How much is Windows Enterprise support? Give us a call and we will see
how much we can milk you for.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/unifiedsupport/details

For real numbers;

https://www.uscloud.com/blog/how-much-does-microsoft-unified-support-cost/

or you can go with per user/per month...

https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterprisedesktop/tip/What-does-a-
Windows-11-license-cost-for-business

You also overlooked that as an individual user Ubuntu Pro costs me
nothing.

Subject: Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!
From: chrisv
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:29 UTC
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rbowman wrote:

> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>
>> MS is doomed.
>
>How much is Windows Enterprise support? Give us a call and we will see
>how much we can milk you for.
>
>https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/unifiedsupport/details
>
>For real numbers;
>
>https://www.uscloud.com/blog/how-much-does-microsoft-unified-support-cost/
>
>or you can go with per user/per month...
>
>https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterprisedesktop/tip/What-does-a-
>Windows-11-license-cost-for-business
>
>You also overlooked that as an individual user Ubuntu Pro costs me
>nothing.

Well, you didn't click on a DumFSck post expecting to find fairness or
honesty, did you?

--
"DFS is, to put it mildly, a deluded *k00k*. Nasty and deluded... not
a good combo." - Chris Ahlstrom

Subject: Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!
From: DFS
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On 7/16/2024 4:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 08:18:58 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> ... with full phone and ticket support. Such a deal!
>>
>> https://ubuntu.com/pro/subscribe
>>
>>
>> That's even more seedy than Red Hat.
>>
>>
>> MS is doomed.
>
> How much is Windows Enterprise support? Give us a call and we will see
> how much we can milk you for.
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/unifiedsupport/details
>
> For real numbers;
>
> https://www.uscloud.com/blog/how-much-does-microsoft-unified-support-cost/
>
> or you can go with per user/per month...
>
> https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterprisedesktop/tip/What-does-a-
> Windows-11-license-cost-for-business
>
> You also overlooked that as an individual user Ubuntu Pro costs me
> nothing.

I didn't overlook anything. That's why I specified 'enterprise' in the
Subject.

In fact, I registered for a 5-year personal plan and downloaded the
latest 6GB Ubuntu 24.04. Got a 'Free Personal Token' (that Never
expires?) and a command to attach machines to it:

sudo pro attach Z12yqaGE9nUYktBCNgwRobPBx

Now I'm bona fide.

Subject: Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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What, a proper money-making business with a support organization for
mission-critical functions, SLAs and enterprise-class customers and
everything?

So much for the idea that this whole Free Software movement is about
“hobbyists” operating from their basements or something, eh?

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

>What, a proper money-making business with a support organization for
>mission-critical functions, SLAs and enterprise-class customers and
>everything?
>
>So much for the idea that this whole Free Software movement is about
>hobbyists operating from their basements or something, eh?

Shitty trolling losers, like DumFSck, will take a cheap shot from any
angle that they can, man. They have no desire to be consistent,
honest, or fair.

--
'These FOSS clowns think a system using GTK+ or Python isn't
"locked-in".' - some dumb fsck

Subject: Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!
From: rbowman
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 02:53 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 17:50:32 -0400, DFS wrote:

> I didn't overlook anything. That's why I specified 'enterprise' in the
> Subject.

So, how much does Microsoft fuck over enterprises for licensing and
support? Ubuntu Pro or RHEL may look like a bargain in comparison.

Subject: Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!
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On 7/16/2024 10:53 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 17:50:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> I didn't overlook anything. That's why I specified 'enterprise' in the
>> Subject.
>
> So, how much does Microsoft fuck over enterprises for licensing and
> support? Ubuntu Pro or RHEL may look like a bargain in comparison.

You should find out, then do a counter-troll.

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On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 23:19:45 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 7/16/2024 10:53 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 17:50:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't overlook anything. That's why I specified 'enterprise' in
>>> the Subject.
>>
>> So, how much does Microsoft fuck over enterprises for licensing and
>> support? Ubuntu Pro or RHEL may look like a bargain in comparison.
>
>
> You should find out, then do a counter-troll.

There are enough professional trolls in the ng already. I have been amused
by some of our clients who won't use Linux because 'it isn't supported'
and pay hefty licensing and support for Windows. I'm not sure any of them
have ever used Microsoft support or would know how to open a ticket but
they sleep better.

Subject: Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!
From: DFS
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On 7/16/2024 8:03 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> What, a proper money-making business with a support organization for
> mission-critical functions, SLAs and enterprise-class customers and
> everything?

Red Hat has been doing that for a long time. Suse too I believe.

> So much for the idea that this whole Free Software movement is about
> “hobbyists” operating from their basements or something, eh?

A few companies freeloading off decades of work by unpaid FOSS hobbyist
developers isn't anything to be proud of.

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On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:46:27 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 7/16/2024 8:03 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> What, a proper money-making business with a support organization for
>> mission-critical functions, SLAs and enterprise-class customers and
>> everything?
>
> Red Hat has been doing that for a long time. Suse too I believe.

WHAT???!!!??? You mean that there are MULTIPLE companies offering Linux
support to choose from, not just ONE???!!!??? That there is actually a
competitive market, with no equivalent to the Microsoft monopoly on the
Windows side???!!!???

>> So much for the idea that this whole Free Software movement is about
>> “hobbyists” operating from their basements or something, eh?
>
> A few companies freeloading off decades of work by unpaid FOSS hobbyist
> developers isn't anything to be proud of.

Strange?? Elsewhere we hear angry claims about big companies like Red Hat
somehow forcing their ideas (like systemd) onto other Linux distros? And
here you are claiming quite the opposite???!!!???

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

>Strange?? Elsewhere we hear angry claims about big companies like Red Hat
>somehow forcing their ideas (like systemd) onto other Linux distros? And
>here you are claiming quite the opposite???!!!???

He's a shamelessly jackasshole, man.

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chrisv wrote:

>Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>>Strange?? Elsewhere we hear angry claims about big companies like Red Hat
>>somehow forcing their ideas (like systemd) onto other Linux distros? And
>>here you are claiming quite the opposite???!!!???
>
>He's a shamelessly jackasshole, man.

s/ly//

Subject: Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!
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On 7/17/2024 6:08 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:46:27 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 7/16/2024 8:03 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> What, a proper money-making business with a support organization for
>>> mission-critical functions, SLAs and enterprise-class customers and
>>> everything?
>>
>> Red Hat has been doing that for a long time. Suse too I believe.
>
> WHAT???!!!??? You mean that there are MULTIPLE companies offering Linux
> support to choose from, not just ONE???!!!??? That there is actually a
> competitive market, with no equivalent to the Microsoft monopoly on the
> Windows side???!!!???

MS never had a monopoly, and never will.

>>> So much for the idea that this whole Free Software movement is about
>>> “hobbyists” operating from their basements or something, eh?
>>
>> A few companies freeloading off decades of work by unpaid FOSS hobbyist
>> developers isn't anything to be proud of.
>
> Strange?? Elsewhere we hear angry claims about big companies like Red Hat
> somehow forcing their ideas (like systemd) onto other Linux distros?

You only hear that from the hysterical weirdo Feeb Russell.

> And here you are claiming quite the opposite???!!!???

You're not making sense. Stick to the Subject: extremely overpriced
Linux support from a greedy company.

Also, to quote you from above: "???!!!??????!!!??????!!!?????????!!!???"

Stuck keys? Or too much fancy NZ beer?

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On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 13:28:54 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 7/17/2024 6:08 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:46:27 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/16/2024 8:03 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> What, a proper money-making business with a support organization for
>>>> mission-critical functions, SLAs and enterprise-class customers and
>>>> everything?
>>>
>>> Red Hat has been doing that for a long time. Suse too I believe.
>>
>> WHAT???!!!??? You mean that there are MULTIPLE companies offering Linux
>> support to choose from, not just ONE???!!!??? That there is actually a
>> competitive market, with no equivalent to the Microsoft monopoly on the
>> Windows side???!!!???
>
> MS never had a monopoly, and never will.

Who else can you get Windows from?

> Stick to the Subject: extremely overpriced
> Linux support from a greedy company.

How much does Microsoft charge per year per server?

Subject: Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!
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On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 08:23:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> How much does Microsoft charge per year per server?

How mant physical processors and cores do you have? Contact your Microsoft
sales office for an estimate.

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On 19 Jul 2024 17:45:46 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 08:23:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> How much does Microsoft charge per year per server?
>
> How mant physical processors and cores do you have? Contact your
> Microsoft sales office for an estimate.

I don’t think you can even get on the bottom rung for a comparable amount
of money.

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On 17 Jul 2024 04:49:14 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> I have been amused by some of our clients who won't use Linux because
> 'it isn't supported' and pay hefty licensing and support for Windows.

Are any of them CrowdStrike customers at the moment, by any chance?

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On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 00:51:23 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 19 Jul 2024 17:45:46 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 08:23:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> How much does Microsoft charge per year per server?
>>
>> How mant physical processors and cores do you have? Contact your
>> Microsoft sales office for an estimate.
>
> I don’t think you can even get on the bottom rung for a comparable
> amount of money.

When I looked at AWS pricing a generic Linux instance was the least
expensive, followed by RHEL.

https://calculator.aws/#/createCalculator/ec2-enhancement?
refid=ec2_landing

There are more options than a Chinese menu but for example a m4.large
generic Linux instance is 36.28 / month and Windows Server is 103.44 /
month. Throw in SQL Server Standard and you're looking at 453.84 / month.

An m4.large is 2 CPUs and 8GB of memory, moderate netwrork performance so
it isn't particularly hot. Depending on the work load you might get by
with a m4.large with Linux but need m4.xlarge for a Windows setup.

IT handles our site licenses so I don't know the details. I was only
tasked with looking at the costs of going to the cloud. If you don't know
what you're doing you can drop a lot of money. I did not look at Azure but
I believe MS products are a little less expensive in the MS cload,
surprise.

We went down this road months ago. Desktop Linux is a minority choice but
the web runs on Linux. Well, except for the part that isn't running too
well at the moment.

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On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 02:14:20 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 17 Jul 2024 04:49:14 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> I have been amused by some of our clients who won't use Linux because
>> 'it isn't supported' and pay hefty licensing and support for Windows.
>
> Are any of them CrowdStrike customers at the moment, by any chance?

No. We were looking at a cloud solution but at the moment all clients are
running on premises servers. For the map application basemaps and the JS
libraries are pulled in from the Esri CDN but afaik that is up. I haven't
gotten any urgent emails or slacks. Esri did go down a few years ago when
the AWS east coast node bit the dust. The mothership might be in
California but the eastern AWS region is a little cheaper. Supposedly
things would fail over to another region but that didn't go well.

Public safety in the cloud has additional problems. By its nature it tends
to collect criminal justice information, medical information covereed by
HIPAA, and other good stuff so you can't run on the Mom & Pop Cloud
Service.

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On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 23:19:45 -0400, DFS wrote:

> You should find out, then do a counter-troll.

Did you really just admit that you jumped into this without getting your
facts straight, and that you know you’re going to lose this argument?

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On 7/21/2024 3:59 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 23:19:45 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> You should find out, then do a counter-troll.
>
> Did you really just admit that you jumped into this without getting your
> facts straight, and that you know you’re going to lose this argument?

'jumped into this'? I started the thread.

The ONLY fact we know is Ubuntu charges a truly obscene amount of money
to support their software, most of which was freeloaded from naive
developers in the first place.

It's a seedy racket.

When you find out what MS charges for similar support, you get back to
me. You heah?

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On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:11:39 -0400, DFS wrote:

> The ONLY fact we know is Ubuntu charges a truly obscene amount of money
> to support their software ...

Which is actually a) quite competitive with other Linux vendors, and b)
leaves Microsoft in the dust.

And c) you are not even obliged to pay to use their software in the first
place.

So remember, this price is “competing with free”. And there are customers
who still find it to be value for money!

Subject	Author
An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	DFS
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	rbowman
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	chrisv
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	DFS
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	rbowman
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	DFS
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	rbowman
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	rbowman
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	DFS
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	chrisv
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	DFS
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	chrisv
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	chrisv
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	DFS
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	rbowman
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: An Ubuntu "Pro" enterprise subscription is only $1700 per year per server!	rbowman