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Subject: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."
From: DFS
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"It is a really accessible language whilst also being the de facto
choice for scientists and data analysts. CERN is using Python at the
very core of all its scientific research. We’ll be working with many
people at the organisation, from teaching their non-programmers to code,
right through to data analytics training for the scientists.”

https://www.frameworktraining.co.uk/news-insights/framework-training-lands-contract-to-train-international-scientists-at-cern/

And no doubt most of that python will be written on Windows, since it's
the default OS used at CERN.

Subject: Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."
From: rbowman
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On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 17:35:57 -0400, DFS wrote:

> And no doubt most of that python will be written on Windows, since it's
> the default OS used at CERN.

As you well know Python doesn't give a big rat's ass what OS it is
developed on. I do find it a little annoying that venv is a little
different of Windows and Linux.

At least CERN chose Python and not R.

Subject: Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 17:35:57 -0400, DFS wrote:

> And no doubt most of that python will be written on Windows ...

Actually, no. If you look at the data-analysis toolkits, most of them are
oriented towards Linux.

Subject: Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."
From: DFS
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On 7/13/2024 7:28 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 17:35:57 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> And no doubt most of that python will be written on Windows ...
>
> Actually, no. If you look at the data-analysis toolkits, most of them are
> oriented towards Linux.

I've never seen or heard of a Linux-only Python data science library.

Here's a Python data science libraries list from Google. Which are
'oriented towards Linux'?

Altair
AutoViz
Beautiful Soup
Bokeh
Ggplot2
Keras
LightGBM
Matplotlib
Natural language processing (NLTK, TextBlob, spaCy)
NumPy
OpenCV
Pandas
Plotly
PyTorch
Pycaret
Pydot
SciPy
Scikit-learn
Scrapy
Seaborn
SimpleITK
Statsmodels
TensorFlow
Theano

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On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 20:39:07 -0400, DFS wrote:

> I've never seen or heard of a Linux-only Python data science library.

Given that you’ve never done any data science, I’m not surprised.

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On 7/13/2024 9:35 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 20:39:07 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> I've never seen or heard of a Linux-only Python data science library.
>
> Given that you’ve never done any data science, I’m not surprised.

If you can't support your wild-ass claim, just say so.

Subject: Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."
From: rbowman
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On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:35:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 20:39:07 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> I've never seen or heard of a Linux-only Python data science library.
>
> Given that you’ve never done any data science, I’m not surprised.

Would you care to share which packages only work on Linux?

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On 14 Jul 2024 04:09:38 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:35:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 20:39:07 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> I've never seen or heard of a Linux-only Python data science library.
>>
>> Given that you’ve never done any data science, I’m not surprised.
>
> Would you care to share which packages only work on Linux?

Here’s a simple test: try installing more than one or two of them on a
Windows machine. You might get as far as half a dozen if you’re lucky. The
more you put on, the less stable your Windows machine becomes, until at
some point it falls over and becomes completely unusable.

And the only way to recover? Wipe and reinstall your Windows system.

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On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 06:02:45 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 14 Jul 2024 04:09:38 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:35:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 20:39:07 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've never seen or heard of a Linux-only Python data science library.
>>>
>>> Given that you’ve never done any data science, I’m not surprised.
>>
>> Would you care to share which packages only work on Linux?
>
> Here’s a simple test: try installing more than one or two of them on a
> Windows machine. You might get as far as half a dozen if you’re lucky.
> The more you put on, the less stable your Windows machine becomes, until
> at some point it falls over and becomes completely unusable.
>
> And the only way to recover? Wipe and reinstall your Windows system.

The only reply I can think of is 'complete utter bullshit'.

Subject: Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."
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On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:35:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 20:39:07 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> I've never seen or heard of a Linux-only Python data science library.
>
> Given that you’ve never done any data science, I’m not surprised.
>

Ha, ha, ha, ha! So very, very true!

In fact, that ignoramus idiot has never done ANYTHING in his entire
joke of a "career."

The pinnacle of his "accomplishments" has been to query a SQL
database, a la Girl Scout summer programming camp. (Yet he
can't even create a stored procedure or even understand why
one would want to.)

But in spite of his complete lack of anything he claims
to be an authority on everything. He is just like Trump:
small knowledge and experience with a big, fat mouth.

He is as predictable as a wind-up doll. Whatever happens
his only recourse will be to run off and do a query, usually
on Google because that's where his brains are.

Subject: Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."
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Le 14-07-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
> a la Girl Scout

Please, if you are using French words to sound cool, use them correctly.
You are supposed to use Linux, so it should be easy for you to use
diacritical characters. It's « à la Girl Scout ». In French, it's a
grammatical error to write « a la Girl Scout », no just a typographical
error. And on Linux diacritical characters are easier to use than on
Windows. So, please show the superiority of Linux over Windows.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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On 2024-07-14 7:07 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 14-07-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
>> a la Girl Scout
>
> Please, if you are using French words to sound cool, use them correctly.
> You are supposed to use Linux, so it should be easy for you to use
> diacritical characters. It's « à la Girl Scout ». In French, it's a
> grammatical error to write « a la Girl Scout », no just a typographical
> error. And on Linux diacritical characters are easier to use than on
> Windows. So, please show the superiority of Linux over Windows.

Maybe his machine randomly froze when he tried to enter an accent.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are monsters

From: lt@gnu.rocks (Lester Thorpe)
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On 14 Jul 2024 11:07:48 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> It's « à la Girl Scout ». In French, it's a
> grammatical error to write « a la Girl Scout », no just a typographical
> error. And on Linux diacritical characters are easier to use than on
> Windows. So, please show the superiority of Linux over Windows.
>

Don't use European quote characters on an international English forum.

You must trying to appear cosmopolitan and erudite.

But it won't work because everyone knows that you're an idiot.

Regarding the "a la Girl Scout" construction, the meaning is quite
clear and only a priggish nitpicker would ever object

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Le 14-07-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
> On 14 Jul 2024 11:07:48 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> It's « à la Girl Scout ». In French, it's a
>> grammatical error to write « a la Girl Scout », no just a typographical
>> error. And on Linux diacritical characters are easier to use than on
>> Windows. So, please show the superiority of Linux over Windows.
>>
>
> Don't use European quote characters on an international English forum.

Why?

Are you that late you don't use UTF-8? Any European character should be
correctly displayed on any up-to-date program using UTF-8. If you are
unable to manage UTF-8 you are the moron, I'm not the one to blame on
that. And as you are pretending to use a Linux computer, it should be
nicely displayed. If there is any issue about it, you are the issue.

You are the one using French words. So, you are the one who should
be able to use them correctly. I avoid French expression here, so I
don't need European characters. Except when you are writing garbage.

> You must trying to appear cosmopolitan and erudite.

You are the one trying to use French expressions on an English speaking
forum. You are the one failing miserably to use them correctly. Don't
blame your inability to use your computer on me. You are the one unable
to use the power of Linux. Not me. You are the one who make Linux users
looking like they can't manage their computers. Not me.

Don't switch sides. I'm French, I'm neither proud or ashamed of it, it's
just a fact. So understanding French expressions doesn't sound erudite,
it's only normal. You are the one trying to use French expressions to
sound erudite. And, once again, you fail miserably.

> But it won't work because everyone knows that you're an idiot.

Yes, but that's not the point here. The fact that I'm an idiot doesn't
change anything about you. Once again, you are trying to hide your lack
of skills with my stupidity. It's not enough.

> Regarding the "a la Girl Scout" construction, the meaning is quite
> clear and only a priggish nitpicker would ever object

Yes, the meaning is clear, it shows:
- you don't understand the expressions you are using,
- you are unable to manage your Linux computer further than a Windows
computer,
- you are trying, once again, to blame others on your limitations.

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On 14 Jul 2024 12:37:52 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

>
> Are you that late you don't use UTF-8? Any European character should be
> correctly displayed on any up-to-date program using UTF-8.
>

𝙲𝚊𝚗 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜? 𝙸𝚝'𝚜 𝚙𝚞𝚛𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚞𝚗𝚊𝚍𝚞𝚕𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚄𝚗𝚒𝚌𝚘𝚍𝚎.

𝙻𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛 𝚃𝚑𝚘𝚛𝚙𝚎

𝚂𝚢𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚖𝙳: 𝚜𝚘𝚕𝚟𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚙𝚛𝚘𝚋𝚕𝚎𝚖𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚗𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛 𝚔𝚗𝚎𝚠 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚍.

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Le 14-07-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
> On 14 Jul 2024 12:37:52 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>>
>> Are you that late you don't use UTF-8? Any European character should be
>> correctly displayed on any up-to-date program using UTF-8.
>>
>
> 𝙲𝚊𝚗 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜?

Of course. Why not? Unlike you I'm the master of my computer. Unlike you
I don't need to change the subject to ask others to forgot my mistakes.

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rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 22:07 this Saturday (GMT):
> On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 17:35:57 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> And no doubt most of that python will be written on Windows, since it's
>> the default OS used at CERN.
>
> As you well know Python doesn't give a big rat's ass what OS it is
> developed on. I do find it a little annoying that venv is a little
> different of Windows and Linux.
>
> At least CERN chose Python and not R.

venv in general is kinda confusing in my opinion.
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Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> wrote at 13:32 this Sunday (GMT):
> On 14 Jul 2024 12:37:52 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>>
>> Are you that late you don't use UTF-8? Any European character should be
>> correctly displayed on any up-to-date program using UTF-8.
>>
>
> 𝙲𝚊𝚗 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜? 𝙸𝚝'𝚜 𝚙𝚞𝚛𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚞𝚗𝚊𝚍𝚞𝚕𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚄𝚗𝚒𝚌𝚘𝚍𝚎.
>
> 𝙻𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛 𝚃𝚑𝚘𝚛𝚙𝚎
>
> 𝚂𝚢𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚖𝙳: 𝚜𝚘𝚕𝚟𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚙𝚛𝚘𝚋𝚕𝚎𝚖𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚗𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛 𝚔𝚗𝚎𝚠 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚍.

Yeah, but the font is completely out of place for my terminal :(
(i use a bitmap font)
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On 7/14/2024 2:02 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On 14 Jul 2024 04:09:38 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:35:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 20:39:07 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've never seen or heard of a Linux-only Python data science library.
>>>
>>> Given that you’ve never done any data science, I’m not surprised.
>>
>> Would you care to share which packages only work on Linux?
>
> Here’s a simple test: try installing more than one or two of them on a
> Windows machine. You might get as far as half a dozen if you’re lucky. The
> more you put on, the less stable your Windows machine becomes, until at
> some point it falls over and becomes completely unusable.
>
> And the only way to recover? Wipe and reinstall your Windows system.

BWA!

Are you drinking some fancy, high-alcohol NZ beer?

Linux makes you crazy.

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On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 14:30:02 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> venv in general is kinda confusing in my opinion.

How so? The basic use is simple

https://docs.python.org/3/library/venv.html

python -m venv /path/to/new/virtual/environment

I group all my python project in a python directory so it would be

python3 -m venv new_project
cd new_project
.. ./bin/activate
python -m pip install matplotlib
python -m pip install numpy
etc.

You can get creative with different python versions but I stick with the
basics. I need to use python3 initially since that's the base install.
After activating the environment it's just python and refers to the python
interpreter in the bin directory of the venv directory. Similarly all the
packages are placed in lib/python.3x/site-packages. You are not trying to
install potentially conflicting packages in a global site-packages.

To get back to the global environment 'deactivate'

https://python.land/virtual-environments/virtualenv

That's a more coherent explanation and points out the minor differences
between Windows and Linux.

Anaconda can be used with virtual environments too. If you're a real
masochist you can use both but I would suggest sticking with one or the
other. I had problems installing packages I needed with Anaconda so went
back to standard python for most purposes. Esri favors Anaconda so I do
have it on one machine.

fwiw, VS Code allows you to select the interpreter and thus the venv. For
example if you've installed keras in a venv and switch to a different venv
you don't have access to keras anymore.

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On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 14:30:02 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> venv in general is kinda confusing in my opinion.

I think users are going back to virtualenv.

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From: ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro)
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Subject: Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific
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On 14 Jul 2024 07:10:40 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 06:02:45 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> Here’s a simple test: try installing more than one or two of them on a
>> Windows machine. You might get as far as half a dozen if you’re lucky.
>> The more you put on, the less stable your Windows machine becomes,
>> until at some point it falls over and becomes completely unusable.
>>
>> And the only way to recover? Wipe and reinstall your Windows system.
>
> The only reply I can think of is 'complete utter bullshit'.

Give it a try. Prove me wrong.

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Subject: Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific
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On 14 Jul 2024 11:07:48 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> In French, it's a grammatical error to write « a la Girl Scout », no
> just a typographical error.

Is there any difference in pronunciation?

Subject: Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."
From: Joel
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Subject: Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."
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DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 7/14/2024 2:02 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On 14 Jul 2024 04:09:38 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:35:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 20:39:07 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've never seen or heard of a Linux-only Python data science library.
>>>>
>>>> Given that you’ve never done any data science, I’m not surprised.
>>>
>>> Would you care to share which packages only work on Linux?
>>
>> Here’s a simple test: try installing more than one or two of them on a
>> Windows machine. You might get as far as half a dozen if you’re lucky. The
>> more you put on, the less stable your Windows machine becomes, until at
>> some point it falls over and becomes completely unusable.
>>
>> And the only way to recover? Wipe and reinstall your Windows system.
>
>BWA!
>
>Are you drinking some fancy, high-alcohol NZ beer?
>
>Linux makes you crazy.

I think Lawrence is (trying to?) describ(e/ing) something in beyond-PC
land. There's a clear reason why desktop Linux is the best and it's
because it can be the best on any device. Windows has a limited life
span and limited advantage during it. I will admit, seeing Win10 and
11 when the computer was new, was impressive, but you get over it, you
realize how much better Linux would be.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 7/14/2024 2:02 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On 14 Jul 2024 04:09:38 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:35:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 20:39:07 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never seen or heard of a Linux-only Python data science library.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given that you’ve never done any data science, I’m not surprised.
>>>>
>>>> Would you care to share which packages only work on Linux?
>>>
>>> Here’s a simple test: try installing more than one or two of them on a
>>> Windows machine. You might get as far as half a dozen if you’re lucky. The
>>> more you put on, the less stable your Windows machine becomes, until at
>>> some point it falls over and becomes completely unusable.
>>>
>>> And the only way to recover? Wipe and reinstall your Windows system.
>>
>> BWA!
>>
>> Are you drinking some fancy, high-alcohol NZ beer?
>>
>> Linux makes you crazy.
>
>
> I think Lawrence is (trying to?) describ(e/ing) something in beyond-PC
> land. There's a clear reason why desktop Linux is the best and it's
> because it can be the best on any device. Windows has a limited life
> span and limited advantage during it. I will admit, seeing Win10 and
> 11 when the computer was new, was impressive, but you get over it, you
> realize how much better Linux would be.
>
it doesn't matter what you use to post with

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"CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	DFS
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	rbowman
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	candycanearter07
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	rbowman
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	candycanearter07
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	rbowman
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	candycanearter07
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	candycanearter07
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	rbowman
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	DFS
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	DFS
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	rbowman
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	rbowman
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	rbowman
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	DFS
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Joel
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	%
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Joel
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	%
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Joel
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	%
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Joel
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	%
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Joel
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	%
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	DFS
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	DFS
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	rbowman
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Lester Thorpe
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Stéphane CARPENTIER
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	CrudeSausage
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Lester Thorpe
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Stéphane CARPENTIER
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Lester Thorpe
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Stéphane CARPENTIER
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	candycanearter07
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Joel Crump
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Chris Ahlstrom
Re: "CERN is using Python at the very core of all its scientific research."	Lawrence D'Oliveiro