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* Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'John Smyth
+* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Mitchell Holman
|+* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Blue Lives Matter
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|||`- Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Blue Lives Matter
||`* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Mitchell Holman
|| `* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Blue Lives Matter
||  +* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Mitchell Holman
||  |+* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Blue Lives Matter
||  ||`* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Mitchell Holman
||  || `* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Blue Lives Matter
||  ||  +- Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'MAGAS
||  ||  `* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Mitchell Holman
||  ||   `* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Blue Lives Matter
||  ||    `* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Mitchell Holman
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||  ||      `* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Mitchell Holman
||  ||       `* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Blue Lives Matter
||  ||        +* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Mitchell Holman
||  ||        |`* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Blue Lives Matter
||  ||        | `- Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Governor Swill
||  ||        `- Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Governor Swill
||  |`- Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Governor Swill
||  `* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'DFS
||   `- Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'-hh
|+* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Anonymous
||`* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'chrisv
|| `* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Mitchell Holman
||  `* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'chrisv
||   +* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Mitchell Holman
||   |`* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'chrisv
||   | `* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'pothead
||   |  +* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Joel
||   |  |+* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'-hh
||   |  ||`* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'pothead
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||   |  || `- Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'-hh
||   |  |`* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'pothead
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||   |  | `- For pothead (& RonB) was: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'-hh
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||   |   `* Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Chris
||   |    `- Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Governor Swill
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|`- Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Chris Ahlstrom
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+- Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Cameron
`- Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'Chris

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Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
From: pothead
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On 2024-07-06, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>
>>>>Doctors inject themselves and their
>>>>families with "lethal poison" to appease
>>>>leftists. Right.
>>>
>>> The cited article did not use either term "lethal" or "poison".
>>> That's your snittish straw man.
>>
>> From the original post that you snipped:
>>>>>>>>> Imagine if the public knew that their governments
>>>>>>>>> permitted, if not forced, them to inject their families with a
>>>>>>>>> lethal poison.
>
> I stand corrected. I did look, but didn't see it.
>

My PCP when asked by me about the vax safety answered "do you want the approved answer or my
opinion?"
I asked for her opinion.
She advised against it.

And at the time she worked at the top hospital in the US for COVID.
Literally on the bleeding edge of the science.
I had already had the first shot but none after that one.
--
pothead
Joe Biden is the absolute WORST President Of the U.S. ever.
Nobody else is even close. Including Jimmy Carter.
Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.

Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
From: Joel
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Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
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pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>My PCP when asked by me about the vax safety answered "do you want the approved answer or my
>opinion?"
>I asked for her opinion.
>She advised against it.
>
>And at the time she worked at the top hospital in the US for COVID.
>Literally on the bleeding edge of the science.
>I had already had the first shot but none after that one.

She sounds like a redpiller dumbfuck. There's such thing as
overexertion of the mind. Humility is key to being sane.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
From: Mitchell Holman
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Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
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Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
news:rb7j8jpe253u2nugi4v914ui3a3f43gq6n@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 18:09:54 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>news:94ki8jhf9hchn795ns5ptl1e8ftpc9mmqf@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 13:28:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>news:iuuh8jtsfd4hu8apj1hnpgt45eghaaoifr@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 02:07:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>>>news:2cgg8j9cq2bhh0iloh0es1mj864hube1bl@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jul 2024 17:48:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>>>>>news:852g8jpj6crsd128vnj2hj5dp8bfr4smnd@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jul 2024 14:39:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>><noemail@aol.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>news:n50g8jhrhc0sl0s7beius5e82f4ount7ji@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting read. More studies are needed though to confirm
>>>>>>>>>>> the various theories and data.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Study: Vaccines had �NO Beneficial Effects�
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-
>>>>>>news/disease/study-
>>>>>>>>va
>>>>>>>>>>> ccines-had-no-beneficial-effects/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> '
>>>>>>>>>>> 'YouTube recently removed an interview I participated in with
>>>>>>>>>>> Palisades Radio for mentioning this study. I have posted the
>>>>video
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>> Rumble at the bottom of this article and it can also be found
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>X
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>> Spotify. �Differential Increases in Excess Mortality in the
>>>>German
>>>>>>>>>>> Federal States During the COVID-19 Pandemic� conducted by
>>>>Christof
>>>>>>>>>>> Kuhbandner, PhD, Professor of Psychology at the University of
>>>>>>>>>>> Regensburg in Bavaria Germany, and mathematician Prof.
>>>>>>>>>>> Matthias Reitzner at Osnabr�ck University, found that COVID-
19
>>>>>>>>>>> vaccines
>>>>had
>>>>>>>>�no
>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial effects� but did increase the mortality rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why are we prohibited from sharing scientific studies that
>>>>>>>>>>> dispel
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>> COVID narrative? This group of German scientists found that
>>>>excess
>>>>>>>>>>> mortality rates peaked alongside the months with the highest
>>>>>>>>>>> rate
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations. �Given the surprising ?nding that a signi?cant
>>>>excess
>>>>>>>>>>> mortality only begins to appear in 2021, which then doubles
in
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>> following year 2022, the question arises which factors might
>>>>>>>>>>> be related with this sudden and strong increase in mortality
>>>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>after
>>>>>>>>>>> the start of the pandemic,� the study noted.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> �In fact, such a research strategy has already been used in a
>>>>>>>>previous
>>>>>>>>>>> study where it has been examined whether the excess mortality
>>>>>>>>observed
>>>>>>>>>>> in the di?erent German federal states in the second half of
>>>>>>>>>>> 2021 varies with the COVID-19 vaccination rate in a federal
>>>>>>>>>>> state
>>>>(Thum
>>>>>>>>>>> [32]). According to the results of this study, a signi?cant
>>>>>>negative
>>>>>>>>>>> correlation was observed, that is, theh igher the vaccination
>>>>rate
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>> a federal state, the lower the excess mortality, a ?nding
that
>>>>was
>>>>>>>>>>> interpreted in several media as evidence of the e?ectiveness
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations,� the paper later reads.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> VaccineDeathsGermany
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Areas with fewer vaccinations experienced fewer deaths. The
>>>>>>>>>>> virus itself had spread everywhere. We were told that the
>>>>>>>>>>> vaccine was
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>> only method to prevent transmission and infection, only to be
>>>>later
>>>>>>>>>>> told that the vaccine could do neither. The researchers found
>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>> vaccines and the virus itself were the only two variables to
>>>>>>account
>>>>>>>>>>> for excess mortality over 2020-2022.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> �The results of the correlation analysis show a very clear
and
>>>>>>simple
>>>>>>>>>>> picture: There are only two variables that are systematically
>>>>>>related
>>>>>>>>>>> to excess mortality: COVID-19 and the vaccination rate. The
>>>>>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>> the vaccination rate in the second year of the pandemic is
>>>>already
>>>>>>>>>>> highly negatively correlated with excess mortality as well as
>>>>with
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>> reported number of COVID-19 deaths and infections in the ?rst
>>>>year
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>> the pandemic clearly shows that the less a federal state was
>>>>>>>>>>> a?
>>>>>>ected
>>>>>>>>>>> by COVID in the ?rst pandemic year, the more vaccinations
were
>>>>>>>>>>> administered. The fact that this negative correlation
suddenly
>>>>>>>>>>> reverses in the third year of the pandemic clearly shows that
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>new
>>>>>>>>>>> factor must have suddenly emerged that drove up excess
>>>>>>>>>>> mortality
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>> the number of COVID deaths and infections in the federal
>>>>>>>>>>> states
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>> were initially least a?ected by COVID-19.�
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pfizer_CEO_Vaccines Limited
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Additional funding is warranted to determine if the COVID-19
>>>>>>vaccine
>>>>>>>>>>> did, in fact, cause more deaths than the actual virus.
>>>>>>>>>>> Numerous studies point to this same correlation but are
buried
>>>>>>>>>>> as disinformation. Imagine if the public knew that their
>>>>>>>>>>> governments permitted, if not forced, them to inject their
>>>>>>>>>>> families with a
>>>>>>lethal
>>>>>>>>>>> poison.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The vaccine is "lethal poison" which explains
>>>>>>>>>>why virtually all doctors got themselves and their
>>>>>>>>>>families vaccinated as soon as they could. But they
>>>>>>>>>>are just doctors so what do they know, right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors
>>>>>>>>>>fully vaccinated against COVID-19
>>>>>>>>>>JUN 11, 2021
>>>>>>>>>>https://tinyurl.com/yvb37xvu
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <LOL> "virtually all doctors?????"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, maybe 96% of the 15% of doctors that have anything to do with
>>>>>>> the AMA. My primary doctor is not among them. See below:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far I have posted several
>>>>>>sources showing the majority of
>>>>>>doctors got vaccinated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have posted nothing to
>>>>>>the contrary.
>>>>>>

>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>except for the ones on chemotherapy
>>>>>>>>and otherwise have immune conditions themselves.
>>>>>>>>And a few religious nut cases. In Canada the
>>>>>>>>figure 95% of doctors getting vaccinated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/14/6/e080461
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would anyone in the USA care about what Canadian doctors do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Covid was a world wide pandemic,
>>>>>>it had a world wide response from the
>>>>>>world wide medical community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> People, including doctors, in some places, are way more likely to
>>>>> follow the directives of the bureaucrats.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So doctors inject themselves and
>>>>their families with "lethal poison"
>>>>because of "directives from bureaucrats"?
>>>
>>> Hollowhead responds with one of his custom made strawmen.
>>
>>
>> Even you cannot defend that stupid claim.
>>
>
> Why would I defend your stupid strawman claims?


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Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
From: Blue Lives Matter
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On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 02:10:26 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:

>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>news:rb7j8jpe253u2nugi4v914ui3a3f43gq6n@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 18:09:54 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>news:94ki8jhf9hchn795ns5ptl1e8ftpc9mmqf@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 13:28:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>>news:iuuh8jtsfd4hu8apj1hnpgt45eghaaoifr@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 02:07:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>>>>news:2cgg8j9cq2bhh0iloh0es1mj864hube1bl@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jul 2024 17:48:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>news:852g8jpj6crsd128vnj2hj5dp8bfr4smnd@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jul 2024 14:39:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>><noemail@aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>news:n50g8jhrhc0sl0s7beius5e82f4ount7ji@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting read. More studies are needed though to confirm
>>>>>>>>>>>> the various theories and data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Study: Vaccines had “NO Beneficial Effects”
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-
>>>>>>>news/disease/study-
>>>>>>>>>va
>>>>>>>>>>>> ccines-had-no-beneficial-effects/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> '
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'YouTube recently removed an interview I participated in with
>>>>>>>>>>>> Palisades Radio for mentioning this study. I have posted the
>>>>>video
>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rumble at the bottom of this article and it can also be found
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>X
>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Spotify. “Differential Increases in Excess Mortality in the
>>>>>German
>>>>>>>>>>>> Federal States During the COVID-19 Pandemic” conducted by
>>>>>Christof
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kuhbandner, PhD, Professor of Psychology at the University of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regensburg in Bavaria Germany, and mathematician Prof.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Matthias Reitzner at Osnabrück University, found that COVID-
>19
>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccines
>>>>>had
>>>>>>>>>“no
>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial effects” but did increase the mortality rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are we prohibited from sharing scientific studies that
>>>>>>>>>>>> dispel
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>> COVID narrative? This group of German scientists found that
>>>>>excess
>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality rates peaked alongside the months with the highest
>>>>>>>>>>>> rate
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations. “Given the surprising ?nding that a signi?cant
>>>>>excess
>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality only begins to appear in 2021, which then doubles
>in
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>> following year 2022, the question arises which factors might
>>>>>>>>>>>> be related with this sudden and strong increase in mortality
>>>>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>after
>>>>>>>>>>>> the start of the pandemic,” the study noted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> “In fact, such a research strategy has already been used in a
>>>>>>>>>previous
>>>>>>>>>>>> study where it has been examined whether the excess mortality
>>>>>>>>>observed
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the di?erent German federal states in the second half of
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2021 varies with the COVID-19 vaccination rate in a federal
>>>>>>>>>>>> state
>>>>>(Thum
>>>>>>>>>>>> [32]). According to the results of this study, a signi?cant
>>>>>>>negative
>>>>>>>>>>>> correlation was observed, that is, theh igher the vaccination
>>>>>rate
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>> a federal state, the lower the excess mortality, a ?nding
>that
>>>>>was
>>>>>>>>>>>> interpreted in several media as evidence of the e?ectiveness
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations,” the paper later reads.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> VaccineDeathsGermany
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Areas with fewer vaccinations experienced fewer deaths. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> virus itself had spread everywhere. We were told that the
>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccine was
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>> only method to prevent transmission and infection, only to be
>>>>>later
>>>>>>>>>>>> told that the vaccine could do neither. The researchers found
>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccines and the virus itself were the only two variables to
>>>>>>>account
>>>>>>>>>>>> for excess mortality over 2020-2022.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> “The results of the correlation analysis show a very clear
>and
>>>>>>>simple
>>>>>>>>>>>> picture: There are only two variables that are systematically
>>>>>>>related
>>>>>>>>>>>> to excess mortality: COVID-19 and the vaccination rate. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>>> the vaccination rate in the second year of the pandemic is
>>>>>already
>>>>>>>>>>>> highly negatively correlated with excess mortality as well as
>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>> reported number of COVID-19 deaths and infections in the ?rst
>>>>>year
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the pandemic clearly shows that the less a federal state was
>>>>>>>>>>>> a?
>>>>>>>ected
>>>>>>>>>>>> by COVID in the ?rst pandemic year, the more vaccinations
>were
>>>>>>>>>>>> administered. The fact that this negative correlation
>suddenly
>>>>>>>>>>>> reverses in the third year of the pandemic clearly shows that
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>new
>>>>>>>>>>>> factor must have suddenly emerged that drove up excess
>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>> the number of COVID deaths and infections in the federal
>>>>>>>>>>>> states
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>>> were initially least a?ected by COVID-19.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pfizer_CEO_Vaccines Limited
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Additional funding is warranted to determine if the COVID-19
>>>>>>>vaccine
>>>>>>>>>>>> did, in fact, cause more deaths than the actual virus.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Numerous studies point to this same correlation but are
>buried
>>>>>>>>>>>> as disinformation. Imagine if the public knew that their
>>>>>>>>>>>> governments permitted, if not forced, them to inject their
>>>>>>>>>>>> families with a
>>>>>>>lethal
>>>>>>>>>>>> poison.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The vaccine is "lethal poison" which explains
>>>>>>>>>>>why virtually all doctors got themselves and their
>>>>>>>>>>>families vaccinated as soon as they could. But they
>>>>>>>>>>>are just doctors so what do they know, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors
>>>>>>>>>>>fully vaccinated against COVID-19
>>>>>>>>>>>JUN 11, 2021
>>>>>>>>>>>https://tinyurl.com/yvb37xvu
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> "virtually all doctors?????"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, maybe 96% of the 15% of doctors that have anything to do with
>>>>>>>> the AMA. My primary doctor is not among them. See below:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far I have posted several
>>>>>>>sources showing the majority of
>>>>>>>doctors got vaccinated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have posted nothing to
>>>>>>>the contrary.
>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>except for the ones on chemotherapy
>>>>>>>>>and otherwise have immune conditions themselves.
>>>>>>>>>And a few religious nut cases. In Canada the
>>>>>>>>>figure 95% of doctors getting vaccinated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/14/6/e080461
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why would anyone in the USA care about what Canadian doctors do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Covid was a world wide pandemic,
>>>>>>>it had a world wide response from the
>>>>>>>world wide medical community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People, including doctors, in some places, are way more likely to
>>>>>> follow the directives of the bureaucrats.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So doctors inject themselves and
>>>>>their families with "lethal poison"
>>>>>because of "directives from bureaucrats"?
>>>>
>>>> Hollowhead responds with one of his custom made strawmen.
>>>
>>>
>>> Even you cannot defend that stupid claim.
>>>
>>
>> Why would I defend your stupid strawman claims?
>
>
>
> Your claim, from above:
>
>
>"People, including doctors, in some places,
>are way more likely to follow the directives
>of the bureaucrats."
>
>
> Name one doctor who got vaccination "to
>follow the directives of the bureaucrats"
>


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Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
From: -hh
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On 7/6/24 8:33 PM, Joel wrote:
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>> My PCP when asked by me about the vax safety answered "do you want the approved answer or my
>> opinion?"
>> I asked for her opinion.
>> She advised against it.
>>
>> And at the time she worked at the top hospital in the US for COVID.
>> Literally on the bleeding edge of the science.
>> I had already had the first shot but none after that one.
>
>
> She sounds like a redpiller dumbfuck. There's such thing as
> overexertion of the mind. Humility is key to being sane.
>

Another good question would be if that PCP is still alive & healthy
today and still has the same exact medical opinion ... or not.

-hh

Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
From: Mitchell Holman
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Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
news:h0lk8j905j78d89mu2btenge4l1dr8b8m5@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 02:10:26 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>news:rb7j8jpe253u2nugi4v914ui3a3f43gq6n@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 18:09:54 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>news:94ki8jhf9hchn795ns5ptl1e8ftpc9mmqf@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 13:28:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>>>news:iuuh8jtsfd4hu8apj1hnpgt45eghaaoifr@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 02:07:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>>>>>news:2cgg8j9cq2bhh0iloh0es1mj864hube1bl@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jul 2024 17:48:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>in news:852g8jpj6crsd128vnj2hj5dp8bfr4smnd@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jul 2024 14:39:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>><noemail@aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>news:n50g8jhrhc0sl0s7beius5e82f4ount7ji@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting read. More studies are needed though to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> confirm the various theories and data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Study: Vaccines had �NO Beneficial Effects�
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-
>>>>>>>>news/disease/study-
>>>>>>>>>>va
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ccines-had-no-beneficial-effects/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> '
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'YouTube recently removed an interview I participated in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Palisades Radio for mentioning this study. I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> posted the
>>>>>>video
>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rumble at the bottom of this article and it can also be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> found on
>>>>>>X
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spotify. �Differential Increases in Excess Mortality in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>German
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Federal States During the COVID-19 Pandemic� conducted by
>>>>>>Christof
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kuhbandner, PhD, Professor of Psychology at the University
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Regensburg in Bavaria Germany, and mathematician Prof.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matthias Reitzner at Osnabr�ck University, found that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> COVID-
>>19
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccines
>>>>>>had
>>>>>>>>>>�no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial effects� but did increase the mortality rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are we prohibited from sharing scientific studies that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dispel
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> COVID narrative? This group of German scientists found
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality rates peaked alongside the months with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> highest rate
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations. �Given the surprising ?nding that a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> signi?cant
>>>>>>excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality only begins to appear in 2021, which then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubles
>>in
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> following year 2022, the question arises which factors
>>>>>>>>>>>>> might be related with this sudden and strong increase in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality long
>>>>>>>>after
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the start of the pandemic,� the study noted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> �In fact, such a research strategy has already been used
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>>>>previous
>>>>>>>>>>>>> study where it has been examined whether the excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality
>>>>>>>>>>observed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the di?erent German federal states in the second half
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 2021 varies with the COVID-19 vaccination rate in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal state
>>>>>>(Thum
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [32]). According to the results of this study, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> signi?cant
>>>>>>>>negative
>>>>>>>>>>>>> correlation was observed, that is, theh igher the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccination
>>>>>>rate
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a federal state, the lower the excess mortality, a ?nding
>>that
>>>>>>was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpreted in several media as evidence of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> e?ectiveness of
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations,� the paper later reads.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> VaccineDeathsGermany
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Areas with fewer vaccinations experienced fewer deaths.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The virus itself had spread everywhere. We were told that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the vaccine was
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only method to prevent transmission and infection, only to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>later
>>>>>>>>>>>>> told that the vaccine could do neither. The researchers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccines and the virus itself were the only two variables
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>account
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for excess mortality over 2020-2022.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> �The results of the correlation analysis show a very clear
>>and
>>>>>>>>simple
>>>>>>>>>>>>> picture: There are only two variables that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> systematically
>>>>>>>>related
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to excess mortality: COVID-19 and the vaccination rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the vaccination rate in the second year of the pandemic is
>>>>>>already
>>>>>>>>>>>>> highly negatively correlated with excess mortality as well
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reported number of COVID-19 deaths and infections in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?rst
>>>>>>year
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the pandemic clearly shows that the less a federal state
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a?
>>>>>>>>ected
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by COVID in the ?rst pandemic year, the more vaccinations
>>were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> administered. The fact that this negative correlation
>>suddenly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reverses in the third year of the pandemic clearly shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a
>>>>>>new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor must have suddenly emerged that drove up excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the number of COVID deaths and infections in the federal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> states
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were initially least a?ected by COVID-19.�
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pfizer_CEO_Vaccines Limited
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Additional funding is warranted to determine if the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> COVID-19
>>>>>>>>vaccine
>>>>>>>>>>>>> did, in fact, cause more deaths than the actual virus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Numerous studies point to this same correlation but are
>>buried
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as disinformation. Imagine if the public knew that their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> governments permitted, if not forced, them to inject their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> families with a
>>>>>>>>lethal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> poison.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The vaccine is "lethal poison" which explains
>>>>>>>>>>>>why virtually all doctors got themselves and their
>>>>>>>>>>>>families vaccinated as soon as they could. But they
>>>>>>>>>>>>are just doctors so what do they know, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors
>>>>>>>>>>>>fully vaccinated against COVID-19
>>>>>>>>>>>>JUN 11, 2021
>>>>>>>>>>>>https://tinyurl.com/yvb37xvu
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> "virtually all doctors?????"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yep,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, maybe 96% of the 15% of doctors that have anything to do
>>>>>>>>> with the AMA. My primary doctor is not among them. See below:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So far I have posted several
>>>>>>>>sources showing the majority of
>>>>>>>>doctors got vaccinated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have posted nothing to
>>>>>>>>the contrary.
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>except for the ones on chemotherapy
>>>>>>>>>>and otherwise have immune conditions themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>And a few religious nut cases. In Canada the
>>>>>>>>>>figure 95% of doctors getting vaccinated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/14/6/e080461
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why would anyone in the USA care about what Canadian doctors
>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Covid was a world wide pandemic,
>>>>>>>>it had a world wide response from the
>>>>>>>>world wide medical community.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People, including doctors, in some places, are way more likely
>>>>>>> to follow the directives of the bureaucrats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So doctors inject themselves and
>>>>>>their families with "lethal poison"
>>>>>>because of "directives from bureaucrats"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hollowhead responds with one of his custom made strawmen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even you cannot defend that stupid claim.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why would I defend your stupid strawman claims?
>>
>>
>>
>> Your claim, from above:
>>
>>
>>"People, including doctors, in some places,
>>are way more likely to follow the directives
>>of the bureaucrats."
>>
>>
>> Name one doctor who got vaccination "to
>>follow the directives of the bureaucrats"
>>


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Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
From: Blue Lives Matter
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On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 13:28:51 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:

>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>news:h0lk8j905j78d89mu2btenge4l1dr8b8m5@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 02:10:26 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>news:rb7j8jpe253u2nugi4v914ui3a3f43gq6n@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 18:09:54 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>>news:94ki8jhf9hchn795ns5ptl1e8ftpc9mmqf@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 13:28:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>>>>news:iuuh8jtsfd4hu8apj1hnpgt45eghaaoifr@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 02:07:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>news:2cgg8j9cq2bhh0iloh0es1mj864hube1bl@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jul 2024 17:48:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>in news:852g8jpj6crsd128vnj2hj5dp8bfr4smnd@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jul 2024 14:39:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>><noemail@aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:n50g8jhrhc0sl0s7beius5e82f4ount7ji@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting read. More studies are needed though to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confirm the various theories and data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Study: Vaccines had “NO Beneficial Effects”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-
>>>>>>>>>news/disease/study-
>>>>>>>>>>>va
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ccines-had-no-beneficial-effects/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> '
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'YouTube recently removed an interview I participated in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Palisades Radio for mentioning this study. I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posted the
>>>>>>>video
>>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rumble at the bottom of this article and it can also be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found on
>>>>>>>X
>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spotify. “Differential Increases in Excess Mortality in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>German
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Federal States During the COVID-19 Pandemic” conducted by
>>>>>>>Christof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kuhbandner, PhD, Professor of Psychology at the University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Regensburg in Bavaria Germany, and mathematician Prof.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matthias Reitzner at Osnabrück University, found that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COVID-
>>>19
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccines
>>>>>>>had
>>>>>>>>>>>“no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial effects” but did increase the mortality rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are we prohibited from sharing scientific studies that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dispel
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COVID narrative? This group of German scientists found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality rates peaked alongside the months with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highest rate
>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations. “Given the surprising ?nding that a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signi?cant
>>>>>>>excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality only begins to appear in 2021, which then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubles
>>>in
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following year 2022, the question arises which factors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might be related with this sudden and strong increase in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality long
>>>>>>>>>after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the start of the pandemic,” the study noted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “In fact, such a research strategy has already been used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>>>>>previous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> study where it has been examined whether the excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality
>>>>>>>>>>>observed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the di?erent German federal states in the second half
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 2021 varies with the COVID-19 vaccination rate in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal state
>>>>>>>(Thum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [32]). According to the results of this study, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signi?cant
>>>>>>>>>negative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correlation was observed, that is, theh igher the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccination
>>>>>>>rate
>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a federal state, the lower the excess mortality, a ?nding
>>>that
>>>>>>>was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpreted in several media as evidence of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e?ectiveness of
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations,” the paper later reads.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VaccineDeathsGermany
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Areas with fewer vaccinations experienced fewer deaths.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The virus itself had spread everywhere. We were told that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the vaccine was
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only method to prevent transmission and infection, only to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>later
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told that the vaccine could do neither. The researchers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccines and the virus itself were the only two variables
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>account
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for excess mortality over 2020-2022.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The results of the correlation analysis show a very clear
>>>and
>>>>>>>>>simple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> picture: There are only two variables that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> systematically
>>>>>>>>>related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to excess mortality: COVID-19 and the vaccination rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact
>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the vaccination rate in the second year of the pandemic is
>>>>>>>already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highly negatively correlated with excess mortality as well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reported number of COVID-19 deaths and infections in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?rst
>>>>>>>year
>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the pandemic clearly shows that the less a federal state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a?
>>>>>>>>>ected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by COVID in the ?rst pandemic year, the more vaccinations
>>>were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administered. The fact that this negative correlation
>>>suddenly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reverses in the third year of the pandemic clearly shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a
>>>>>>>new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor must have suddenly emerged that drove up excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality
>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the number of COVID deaths and infections in the federal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> states
>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were initially least a?ected by COVID-19.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pfizer_CEO_Vaccines Limited
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Additional funding is warranted to determine if the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COVID-19
>>>>>>>>>vaccine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did, in fact, cause more deaths than the actual virus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Numerous studies point to this same correlation but are
>>>buried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as disinformation. Imagine if the public knew that their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governments permitted, if not forced, them to inject their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> families with a
>>>>>>>>>lethal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poison.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vaccine is "lethal poison" which explains
>>>>>>>>>>>>>why virtually all doctors got themselves and their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>families vaccinated as soon as they could. But they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>are just doctors so what do they know, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>fully vaccinated against COVID-19
>>>>>>>>>>>>>JUN 11, 2021
>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://tinyurl.com/yvb37xvu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> "virtually all doctors?????"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yep,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, maybe 96% of the 15% of doctors that have anything to do
>>>>>>>>>> with the AMA. My primary doctor is not among them. See below:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So far I have posted several
>>>>>>>>>sources showing the majority of
>>>>>>>>>doctors got vaccinated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You have posted nothing to
>>>>>>>>>the contrary.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>except for the ones on chemotherapy
>>>>>>>>>>>and otherwise have immune conditions themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>And a few religious nut cases. In Canada the
>>>>>>>>>>>figure 95% of doctors getting vaccinated.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/14/6/e080461
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why would anyone in the USA care about what Canadian doctors
>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Covid was a world wide pandemic,
>>>>>>>>>it had a world wide response from the
>>>>>>>>>world wide medical community.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> People, including doctors, in some places, are way more likely
>>>>>>>> to follow the directives of the bureaucrats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So doctors inject themselves and
>>>>>>>their families with "lethal poison"
>>>>>>>because of "directives from bureaucrats"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hollowhead responds with one of his custom made strawmen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Even you cannot defend that stupid claim.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would I defend your stupid strawman claims?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your claim, from above:
>>>
>>>
>>>"People, including doctors, in some places,
>>>are way more likely to follow the directives
>>>of the bureaucrats."
>>>
>>>
>>> Name one doctor who got vaccination "to
>>>follow the directives of the bureaucrats"
>>>
>
>
> Well?
>
>
>>
>> <double eyeroll> Hollowhead says, "Look at my strawman.
>>


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On 7/5/2024 3:09 PM, Blue Lives Matter wrote:

>>>> AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors
>>>> fully vaccinated against COVID-19
>>>> JUN 11, 2021
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yvb37xvu
>>>>
>>>
>>> <LOL> "virtually all doctors?????"
>>
>
> No, maybe 96% of the 15% of doctors that have anything to do with the
> AMA. My primary doctor is not among them. See below:

The survey wasn't given to AMA members (unless they happened to be part
of the WebMD "physician panel", which isn't detailed).

https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2021-06/physician-vaccination-study-topline-report.pdf

"Methodology:
• AMA developed the survey questionnaire and WebMD programmed and
fielded the 5–7 minute survey through their physician panel
• The survey was fielded from June 3 to June 8, 2021.
• Sample size – N=301; respondent mix includes:
• N=150 PCPs (Family Medicine, Internal Medicine, General Medicine,
Pediatrics, OB/GYN)
• N=151 Specialists (All other specialties)

96% of physicians have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19"

There are over 1 million licensed physicians in the US, so a sample size
of 301 is way too small to be statistically significant (depending on
the margin of error and confidence interval you desire of course).

Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
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On 7/7/24 11:47 AM, DFS wrote:
> On 7/5/2024 3:09 PM, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>
>>>>> AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors
>>>>> fully vaccinated against COVID-19
>>>>> JUN 11, 2021
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yvb37xvu
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <LOL> "virtually all doctors?????"
>>>
>>
>> No, maybe 96% of the 15% of doctors that have anything to do with the
>> AMA. My primary doctor is not among them.  See below:
>
>
> The survey wasn't given to AMA members (unless they happened to be part
> of the WebMD "physician panel", which isn't detailed).
>
>
> https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2021-06/physician-vaccination-study-topline-report.pdf
>
> "Methodology:
> • AMA developed the survey questionnaire and WebMD programmed and
>   fielded the 5–7 minute survey through their physician panel
> • The survey was fielded from June 3 to June 8, 2021.
> • Sample size – N=301; respondent mix includes:
> • N=150 PCPs (Family Medicine, Internal Medicine, General Medicine,
>   Pediatrics, OB/GYN)
> • N=151 Specialists (All other specialties)
>
> 96% of physicians have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19"
>
>
> There are over 1 million licensed physicians in the US, so a sample size
> of 301 is way too small to be statistically significant (depending on
> the margin of error and confidence interval you desire of course).

Not really; a 90% Confidence Interval around the mean only needs n=78.
Similarly, a 95% Confidence Interval requires n=385. A

For both, it'd be a lot smaller if the survey was configured to emply
variable data instead of attribute data.

-hh

Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
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Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
news:lacl8jtfbso9ar98kth3dbot1g8ksr1d5b@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 13:28:51 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>news:h0lk8j905j78d89mu2btenge4l1dr8b8m5@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 02:10:26 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>news:rb7j8jpe253u2nugi4v914ui3a3f43gq6n@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 18:09:54 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>>>news:94ki8jhf9hchn795ns5ptl1e8ftpc9mmqf@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 13:28:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>>>>>news:iuuh8jtsfd4hu8apj1hnpgt45eghaaoifr@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 02:07:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote
in
>>>>>>>>>>news:2cgg8j9cq2bhh0iloh0es1mj864hube1bl@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jul 2024 17:48:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>in news:852g8jpj6crsd128vnj2hj5dp8bfr4smnd@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jul 2024 14:39:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>><noemail@aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:n50g8jhrhc0sl0s7beius5e82f4ount7ji@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting read. More studies are needed though to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confirm the various theories and data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Study: Vaccines had �NO Beneficial Effects�
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-
>>>>>>>>>>news/disease/study-
>>>>>>>>>>>>va
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ccines-had-no-beneficial-effects/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> '
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'YouTube recently removed an interview I participated in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Palisades Radio for mentioning this study. I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posted the
>>>>>>>>video
>>>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rumble at the bottom of this article and it can also be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found on
>>>>>>>>X
>>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spotify. �Differential Increases in Excess Mortality in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>German
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Federal States During the COVID-19 Pandemic� conducted by
>>>>>>>>Christof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kuhbandner, PhD, Professor of Psychology at the
University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Regensburg in Bavaria Germany, and mathematician Prof.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matthias Reitzner at Osnabr�ck University, found that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COVID-
>>>>19
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccines
>>>>>>>>had
>>>>>>>>>>>>�no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial effects� but did increase the mortality rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are we prohibited from sharing scientific studies
that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dispel
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COVID narrative? This group of German scientists found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality rates peaked alongside the months with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highest rate
>>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations. �Given the surprising ?nding that a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signi?cant
>>>>>>>>excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality only begins to appear in 2021, which then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubles
>>>>in
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following year 2022, the question arises which factors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might be related with this sudden and strong increase in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality long
>>>>>>>>>>after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the start of the pandemic,� the study noted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> �In fact, such a research strategy has already been used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>previous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> study where it has been examined whether the excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality
>>>>>>>>>>>>observed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the di?erent German federal states in the second half
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 2021 varies with the COVID-19 vaccination rate in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal state
>>>>>>>>(Thum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [32]). According to the results of this study, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signi?cant
>>>>>>>>>>negative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correlation was observed, that is, theh igher the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccination
>>>>>>>>rate
>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a federal state, the lower the excess mortality, a ?nding
>>>>that
>>>>>>>>was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpreted in several media as evidence of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e?ectiveness of
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations,� the paper later reads.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VaccineDeathsGermany
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Areas with fewer vaccinations experienced fewer deaths.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The virus itself had spread everywhere. We were told that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the vaccine was
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only method to prevent transmission and infection, only
to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>later
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told that the vaccine could do neither. The researchers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccines and the virus itself were the only two variables
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>account
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for excess mortality over 2020-2022.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> �The results of the correlation analysis show a very
clear
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>simple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> picture: There are only two variables that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> systematically
>>>>>>>>>>related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to excess mortality: COVID-19 and the vaccination rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact
>>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the vaccination rate in the second year of the pandemic
is
>>>>>>>>already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highly negatively correlated with excess mortality as
well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reported number of COVID-19 deaths and infections in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?rst
>>>>>>>>year
>>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the pandemic clearly shows that the less a federal state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a?
>>>>>>>>>>ected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by COVID in the ?rst pandemic year, the more vaccinations
>>>>were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administered. The fact that this negative correlation
>>>>suddenly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reverses in the third year of the pandemic clearly shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a
>>>>>>>>new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor must have suddenly emerged that drove up excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the number of COVID deaths and infections in the federal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> states
>>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were initially least a?ected by COVID-19.�
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pfizer_CEO_Vaccines Limited
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Additional funding is warranted to determine if the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COVID-19
>>>>>>>>>>vaccine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did, in fact, cause more deaths than the actual virus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Numerous studies point to this same correlation but are
>>>>buried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as disinformation. Imagine if the public knew that their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governments permitted, if not forced, them to inject
their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> families with a
>>>>>>>>>>lethal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poison.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vaccine is "lethal poison" which explains
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>why virtually all doctors got themselves and their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>families vaccinated as soon as they could. But they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>are just doctors so what do they know, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fully vaccinated against COVID-19
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JUN 11, 2021
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://tinyurl.com/yvb37xvu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> "virtually all doctors?????"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, maybe 96% of the 15% of doctors that have anything to do
>>>>>>>>>>> with the AMA. My primary doctor is not among them. See
below:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So far I have posted several
>>>>>>>>>>sources showing the majority of
>>>>>>>>>>doctors got vaccinated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You have posted nothing to
>>>>>>>>>>the contrary.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>except for the ones on chemotherapy
>>>>>>>>>>>>and otherwise have immune conditions themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>And a few religious nut cases. In Canada the
>>>>>>>>>>>>figure 95% of doctors getting vaccinated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/14/6/e080461
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why would anyone in the USA care about what Canadian doctors
>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Covid was a world wide pandemic,
>>>>>>>>>>it had a world wide response from the
>>>>>>>>>>world wide medical community.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> People, including doctors, in some places, are way more likely
>>>>>>>>> to follow the directives of the bureaucrats.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So doctors inject themselves and
>>>>>>>>their families with "lethal poison"
>>>>>>>>because of "directives from bureaucrats"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hollowhead responds with one of his custom made strawmen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even you cannot defend that stupid claim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would I defend your stupid strawman claims?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your claim, from above:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"People, including doctors, in some places,
>>>>are way more likely to follow the directives
>>>>of the bureaucrats."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Name one doctor who got vaccination "to
>>>>follow the directives of the bureaucrats"
>>>>
>>
>>
>> Well?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> <double eyeroll> Hollowhead says, "Look at my strawman.
>>>
>
>
> Look Dummy.. I don't run errands for fools like you. If you want to
> believe there's no doctor anywhere who didn't reluctantly get the
> vaccination when he didn't approve of it, that's fine with me.


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Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
From: Blue Lives Matter
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From: Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA (Blue Lives Matter)
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On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 17:36:40 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:

>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>news:lacl8jtfbso9ar98kth3dbot1g8ksr1d5b@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 13:28:51 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>news:h0lk8j905j78d89mu2btenge4l1dr8b8m5@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 02:10:26 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>>news:rb7j8jpe253u2nugi4v914ui3a3f43gq6n@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 18:09:54 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>>>>news:94ki8jhf9hchn795ns5ptl1e8ftpc9mmqf@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 13:28:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>news:iuuh8jtsfd4hu8apj1hnpgt45eghaaoifr@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 02:07:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote
>in
>>>>>>>>>>>news:2cgg8j9cq2bhh0iloh0es1mj864hube1bl@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jul 2024 17:48:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>in news:852g8jpj6crsd128vnj2hj5dp8bfr4smnd@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jul 2024 14:39:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>><noemail@aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:n50g8jhrhc0sl0s7beius5e82f4ount7ji@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting read. More studies are needed though to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confirm the various theories and data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Study: Vaccines had “NO Beneficial Effects”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-
>>>>>>>>>>>news/disease/study-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>va
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ccines-had-no-beneficial-effects/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> '
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'YouTube recently removed an interview I participated in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Palisades Radio for mentioning this study. I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posted the
>>>>>>>>>video
>>>>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rumble at the bottom of this article and it can also be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found on
>>>>>>>>>X
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spotify. “Differential Increases in Excess Mortality in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>German
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Federal States During the COVID-19 Pandemic” conducted by
>>>>>>>>>Christof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kuhbandner, PhD, Professor of Psychology at the
>University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Regensburg in Bavaria Germany, and mathematician Prof.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matthias Reitzner at Osnabrück University, found that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COVID-
>>>>>19
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccines
>>>>>>>>>had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>“no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial effects” but did increase the mortality rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are we prohibited from sharing scientific studies
>that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dispel
>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COVID narrative? This group of German scientists found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality rates peaked alongside the months with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highest rate
>>>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations. “Given the surprising ?nding that a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signi?cant
>>>>>>>>>excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality only begins to appear in 2021, which then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubles
>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following year 2022, the question arises which factors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might be related with this sudden and strong increase in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality long
>>>>>>>>>>>after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the start of the pandemic,” the study noted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “In fact, such a research strategy has already been used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>previous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> study where it has been examined whether the excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>observed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the di?erent German federal states in the second half
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 2021 varies with the COVID-19 vaccination rate in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal state
>>>>>>>>>(Thum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [32]). According to the results of this study, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signi?cant
>>>>>>>>>>>negative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correlation was observed, that is, theh igher the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccination
>>>>>>>>>rate
>>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a federal state, the lower the excess mortality, a ?nding
>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpreted in several media as evidence of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e?ectiveness of
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations,” the paper later reads.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VaccineDeathsGermany
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Areas with fewer vaccinations experienced fewer deaths.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The virus itself had spread everywhere. We were told that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the vaccine was
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only method to prevent transmission and infection, only
>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>later
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told that the vaccine could do neither. The researchers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccines and the virus itself were the only two variables
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>account
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for excess mortality over 2020-2022.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The results of the correlation analysis show a very
>clear
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>simple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> picture: There are only two variables that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> systematically
>>>>>>>>>>>related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to excess mortality: COVID-19 and the vaccination rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact
>>>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the vaccination rate in the second year of the pandemic
>is
>>>>>>>>>already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highly negatively correlated with excess mortality as
>well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reported number of COVID-19 deaths and infections in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?rst
>>>>>>>>>year
>>>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the pandemic clearly shows that the less a federal state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a?
>>>>>>>>>>>ected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by COVID in the ?rst pandemic year, the more vaccinations
>>>>>were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administered. The fact that this negative correlation
>>>>>suddenly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reverses in the third year of the pandemic clearly shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a
>>>>>>>>>new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor must have suddenly emerged that drove up excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortality
>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the number of COVID deaths and infections in the federal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> states
>>>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were initially least a?ected by COVID-19.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pfizer_CEO_Vaccines Limited
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Additional funding is warranted to determine if the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COVID-19
>>>>>>>>>>>vaccine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did, in fact, cause more deaths than the actual virus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Numerous studies point to this same correlation but are
>>>>>buried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as disinformation. Imagine if the public knew that their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governments permitted, if not forced, them to inject
>their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> families with a
>>>>>>>>>>>lethal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poison.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vaccine is "lethal poison" which explains
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>why virtually all doctors got themselves and their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>families vaccinated as soon as they could. But they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>are just doctors so what do they know, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fully vaccinated against COVID-19
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JUN 11, 2021
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://tinyurl.com/yvb37xvu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> "virtually all doctors?????"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, maybe 96% of the 15% of doctors that have anything to do
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the AMA. My primary doctor is not among them. See
>below:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So far I have posted several
>>>>>>>>>>>sources showing the majority of
>>>>>>>>>>>doctors got vaccinated.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You have posted nothing to
>>>>>>>>>>>the contrary.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>except for the ones on chemotherapy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and otherwise have immune conditions themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>And a few religious nut cases. In Canada the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>figure 95% of doctors getting vaccinated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/14/6/e080461
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why would anyone in the USA care about what Canadian doctors
>>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Covid was a world wide pandemic,
>>>>>>>>>>>it had a world wide response from the
>>>>>>>>>>>world wide medical community.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> People, including doctors, in some places, are way more likely
>>>>>>>>>> to follow the directives of the bureaucrats.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So doctors inject themselves and
>>>>>>>>>their families with "lethal poison"
>>>>>>>>>because of "directives from bureaucrats"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hollowhead responds with one of his custom made strawmen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even you cannot defend that stupid claim.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would I defend your stupid strawman claims?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your claim, from above:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"People, including doctors, in some places,
>>>>>are way more likely to follow the directives
>>>>>of the bureaucrats."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Name one doctor who got vaccination "to
>>>>>follow the directives of the bureaucrats"
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> <double eyeroll> Hollowhead says, "Look at my strawman.
>>>>
>>
>>
>> Look Dummy.. I don't run errands for fools like you. If you want to
>> believe there's no doctor anywhere who didn't reluctantly get the
>> vaccination when he didn't approve of it, that's fine with me.
>
>
>
> Another Steve "Ace" Canyon claim
>goes down in flames..........
>
>


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Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
From: Governor Swill
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On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 11:25:01 -0400, Blue Lives Matter
<Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote:

>
>Look Dummy.. I don't run errands for fools like you. If you want to
>believe there's no doctor anywhere who didn't reluctantly get the
>vaccination when he didn't approve of it, that's fine with me.

Yo, asshole. If you want to believe there's a doctor anywhere who took the vaccine just
to please some nameless bureaucrats, that's fine with me. Just don't come spouting in
here about it without proof.

Religion is like a penis.
It's fine to have one.
It's fine to be proud of it.
But please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around.

Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief.
<https://www2.deloitte.com/ua/uk/pages/registration-forms/help-cities.html>

Swill

Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
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On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 15:36:37 -0400, Blue Lives Matter
<Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote:

>
>Oh dear me, I failed to convince Hollowhead. What shall I do?

Stop telling lies you can't back up?

Swill

Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
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On 2024-07-07, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>My PCP when asked by me about the vax safety answered "do you want the approved answer or my
>>opinion?"
>>I asked for her opinion.
>>She advised against it.
>>
>>And at the time she worked at the top hospital in the US for COVID.
>>Literally on the bleeding edge of the science.
>>I had already had the first shot but none after that one.
>
>
> She sounds like a redpiller dumbfuck. There's such thing as
> overexertion of the mind. Humility is key to being sane.
>

Actually she's a liberal although that might have recently changed. i have a visit in 2 months so
I'll let ya;'ll know.

--
pothead
Joe Biden is the absolute WORST President Of the U.S. ever.
Nobody else is even close. Including Jimmy Carter.
Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.

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On 2024-07-07, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> On 7/6/24 8:33 PM, Joel wrote:
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My PCP when asked by me about the vax safety answered "do you want the approved answer or my
>>> opinion?"
>>> I asked for her opinion.
>>> She advised against it.
>>>
>>> And at the time she worked at the top hospital in the US for COVID.
>>> Literally on the bleeding edge of the science.
>>> I had already had the first shot but none after that one.
>>
>>
>> She sounds like a redpiller dumbfuck. There's such thing as
>> overexertion of the mind. Humility is key to being sane.
>>
>
> Another good question would be if that PCP is still alive & healthy
> today and still has the same exact medical opinion ... or not.
>
>
>
> -hh

Alive, healthy and well. In fact newly married and just had her first child. As for her current
medical opinion, that's actually a good question. I have a checkup in a few weeks and will ask her.

FWIW, she is a brilliant doctor with more letters after her name than I can remember which is why
she was selected to work the cutting edge of the pandemic and with the most seriously infected
patients.
For obvious reasons, I will not reveal her name, however a quick Google shows that she was and has
been at the forefront of COVID research and treatment.
I did not know this when I signed her up to be my PCP. My regular PCP retired and She was
recommended to me. This was at least 2 years before COVID.

But your question is a good one so I will ask.
I'm curious myself.
--
pothead
Joe Biden is the absolute WORST President Of the U.S. ever.
Nobody else is even close. Including Jimmy Carter.
Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.

Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
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pothead wrote:
> On 2024-07-07, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My PCP when asked by me about the vax safety answered "do you want the approved answer or my
>>> opinion?"
>>> I asked for her opinion.
>>> She advised against it.
>>>
>>> And at the time she worked at the top hospital in the US for COVID.
>>> Literally on the bleeding edge of the science.
>>> I had already had the first shot but none after that one.
>>
>>
>> She sounds like a redpiller dumbfuck. There's such thing as
>> overexertion of the mind. Humility is key to being sane.
>>
>
> Actually she's a liberal although that might have recently changed. i have a visit in 2 months so
> I'll let ya;'ll know.
>

Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
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pothead wrote:
> On 2024-07-07, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 7/6/24 8:33 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My PCP when asked by me about the vax safety answered "do you want the approved answer or my
>>>> opinion?"
>>>> I asked for her opinion.
>>>> She advised against it.
>>>>
>>>> And at the time she worked at the top hospital in the US for COVID.
>>>> Literally on the bleeding edge of the science.
>>>> I had already had the first shot but none after that one.
>>>
>>>
>>> She sounds like a redpiller dumbfuck. There's such thing as
>>> overexertion of the mind. Humility is key to being sane.
>>>
>>
>> Another good question would be if that PCP is still alive & healthy
>> today and still has the same exact medical opinion ... or not.
>>
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> Alive, healthy and well. In fact newly married and just had her first child. As for her current
> medical opinion, that's actually a good question. I have a checkup in a few weeks and will ask her.
>
> FWIW, she is a brilliant doctor with more letters after her name than I can remember which is why
> she was selected to work the cutting edge of the pandemic and with the most seriously infected
> patients.
> For obvious reasons, I will not reveal her name, however a quick Google shows that she was and has
> been at the forefront of COVID research and treatment.
> I did not know this when I signed her up to be my PCP. My regular PCP retired and She was
> recommended to me. This was at least 2 years before COVID.
>
> But your question is a good one so I will ask.
> I'm curious myself.
>

Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
From: Chris
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John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting read. More studies are needed though to confirm the various
> theories and data.
>
> Study: Vaccines had “NO Beneficial Effects”
> <https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/disease/study-vaccines-had-no-beneficial-effects/>

Not really that interesting as it doesn't go into any details about how the
authors came to reach their conclusions.

This is source article which is on a preprint and has not been peer
reviewed.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/378124684_Differential_Increases_in_Excess_Mortality_in_the_German_Federal_States_During_the_COVID-19_Pandemic

My biggest criticism is that it bases its link to the vaccine simply
through a correlation statistic and the senior claims to be a
mathematician. I mean FFS! The correlation isn't even that high witha score
of 0.85 can be easily caused by a confounder or unknown variable.

Interestingly, it is a rehash of this more general study of the German
population which has a bit more detail and was peer reviewed. Notably it
doesn't mention the link to vaccines.
https://www.cureus.com/articles/149410-estimation-of-excess-mortality-in-germany-during-2020-2022#!/

The study is utterly dependent on the prediction of deaths in 2020-2022
under the scenario of there being no pandemic. Obviously this is unknowable
so has to be modelled using statistics. As with all models they make
assumptions and try to control for known errors. Any assumptions are
implied and not made explicit.

As is well known, all models are wrong, but some may be useful. So the
initial premise is that the authors need to show how the model is valid.
Which to me isn't clear.

Final, point on the methodology, is that COVID affected the whole
population so you're talking about 10s of millions of people, plus millions
of Germans die every year as normal. Even tiny errors in the predictive
models or assumptions of fractions of a percent can result in 10s to 100s
of thousands of deaths in the wrong direction.

A statistical quirk that has fucked up many studies is that COVID hit just
at the point where most countries in the world knew their populations least
well. The national censuses of population are done every 10 years in 2001,
2011, 2021 etc and COVID hit in 2020 & 2021 exactly at the worst time for
being able to make accurate whole population statistical models.

In the UK, this resulted in underestimating how many older people currently
were living which was exactly the worst affected demographic with COVID.
Models not spotting this often ended up death rates of >100% in the oldest
demographics i.e. >85.

I suspect the same thing happened in Germany and the author's model had too
few people dying through natural causes. The discussion in the comments and
this twitter thread seems to confirm it:
https://x.com/profstefankraus/status/1663903949307379712

In conclusion, nothing to see here other than another one wanting to
believe in massive conspiracy theories without doing the basics.

Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
From: Governor Swill
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On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 18:41:56 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

>pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-06, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>
>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Doctors inject themselves and their
>>>>>> families with "lethal poison" to appease
>>>>>> leftists. Right.
>>>>>
>>>>> The cited article did not use either term "lethal" or "poison".
>>>>> That's your snittish straw man.
>>>>
>>>> From the original post that you snipped:
>>>>>>>>>>> Imagine if the public knew that their governments
>>>>>>>>>>> permitted, if not forced, them to inject their families with a
>>>>>>>>>>> lethal poison.
>>>
>>> I stand corrected. I did look, but didn't see it.
>>>
>>
>> My PCP when asked by me about the vax safety answered "do you want the
>> approved answer or my
>> opinion?"
>> I asked for her opinion.
>> She advised against it.
>
>File under: "Things that never happened"
>
>> And at the time she worked at the top hospital in the US for COVID.
>> Literally on the bleeding edge of the science.
>> I had already had the first shot but none after that one.
>
>Sure. Of course you will be able to tell us who she might be, right?

Dox his PCP?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Swill

Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
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Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 18:41:56 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-06, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doctors inject themselves and their
>>>>>>> families with "lethal poison" to appease
>>>>>>> leftists. Right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The cited article did not use either term "lethal" or "poison".
>>>>>> That's your snittish straw man.
>>>>>
>>>>> From the original post that you snipped:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Imagine if the public knew that their governments
>>>>>>>>>>>> permitted, if not forced, them to inject their families with a
>>>>>>>>>>>> lethal poison.
>>>>
>>>> I stand corrected. I did look, but didn't see it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My PCP when asked by me about the vax safety answered "do you want the
>>> approved answer or my
>>> opinion?"
>>> I asked for her opinion.
>>> She advised against it.
>>
>> File under: "Things that never happened"
>>
>>> And at the time she worked at the top hospital in the US for COVID.
>>> Literally on the bleeding edge of the science.
>>> I had already had the first shot but none after that one.
>>
>> Sure. Of course you will be able to tell us who she might be, right?
>
> Dox his PCP?

It's not doxing. It's supporting your story.

Without it, it's just an anecdote which as informative as all other
anecdotes. Hint: not at all.

Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
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On 7/8/24 4:08 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-07-08, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 7/7/24 7:54 PM, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-07, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7/6/24 8:33 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My PCP when asked by me about the vax safety answered "do you want the approved answer or my
>>>>>> opinion?"
>>>>>> I asked for her opinion.
>>>>>> She advised against it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And at the time she worked at the top hospital in the US for COVID.
>>>>>> Literally on the bleeding edge of the science.
>>>>>> I had already had the first shot but none after that one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> She sounds like a redpiller dumbfuck. There's such thing as
>>>>> overexertion of the mind. Humility is key to being sane.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another good question would be if that PCP is still alive & healthy
>>>> today and still has the same exact medical opinion ... or not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> Alive, healthy and well. In fact newly married and just had her first child. As for her current
>>> medical opinion, that's actually a good question. I have a checkup in a few weeks and will ask her.
>>
>> The long answer here will be interesting, as the question of suitability
>> isn't a simple Y/N but a continuum which factors in multiple risk
>> elements, such as age, health, conflations, environment, etc.
>
> Agree.
> There was no cookie cutter one size fits all criteria.
>
>
>> For example, initially the shots weren't recommended for everyone
>> because there was a supply shortage, so they were prioritized to the
>> higher risks candidates. Similarly, there were subgroups where testing
>> hadn't been completed yet (eg, pregnant women, babies/toddlers), so they
>> couldn't be recommended.
>
> True and agreed.

Agreed. My point here is that I was also not in the initial "vaccine
recommended" population groups, so I didn't get the vax then, but I was
in later (third?) "recommended" group, so I did.

>>> FWIW, she is a brilliant doctor with more letters after her name than I can remember which is why
>>> she was selected to work the cutting edge of the pandemic and with the most seriously infected
>>> patients.
>>> For obvious reasons, I will not reveal her name, however a quick Google shows that she was and has
>>> been at the forefront of COVID research and treatment.
>>> I did not know this when I signed her up to be my PCP. My regular PCP retired and She was
>>> recommended to me. This was at least 2 years before COVID.
>>>
>>> But your question is a good one so I will ask.
>>> I'm curious myself.
>>
>> Should be a good conversation, particularly if it goes into general
>> form. I look forward to it, as I've since retired from my HRPP IRB
>> position where we were discussing the research and ethics of the
>> pandemic's research status every 4-5 weeks for three years.
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> I will ask and report back.
> We are on the same page here hh.
>

Was glad to bring it to your attention; thanks.

-hh

Subject: Re: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
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On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 06:36:00 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

>Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 18:41:56 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-06, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doctors inject themselves and their
>>>>>>>> families with "lethal poison" to appease
>>>>>>>> leftists. Right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The cited article did not use either term "lethal" or "poison".
>>>>>>> That's your snittish straw man.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From the original post that you snipped:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Imagine if the public knew that their governments
>>>>>>>>>>>>> permitted, if not forced, them to inject their families with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lethal poison.
>>>>>
>>>>> I stand corrected. I did look, but didn't see it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My PCP when asked by me about the vax safety answered "do you want the
>>>> approved answer or my
>>>> opinion?"
>>>> I asked for her opinion.
>>>> She advised against it.
>>>
>>> File under: "Things that never happened"
>>>
>>>> And at the time she worked at the top hospital in the US for COVID.
>>>> Literally on the bleeding edge of the science.
>>>> I had already had the first shot but none after that one.
>>>
>>> Sure. Of course you will be able to tell us who she might be, right?
>>
>> Dox his PCP?
>
>It's not doxing. It's supporting your story.
>
>Without it, it's just an anecdote which as informative as all other
>anecdotes. Hint: not at all.

Identifying his particular PCP certainly IS doxxing. What do you think "doxxing" means?
It means "documenting".

Swill

Subject: For pothead (& RonB) was: Study: Vaccines had 'NO Beneficial Effects'
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On 7/7/24 7:47 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-07-07, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My PCP when asked by me about the vax safety answered "do you want the approved answer or my
>>> opinion?"
>>> I asked for her opinion.
>>> She advised against it.
>>>
>>> And at the time she worked at the top hospital in the US for COVID.
>>> Literally on the bleeding edge of the science.
>>> I had already had the first shot but none after that one.
>>
>>
>> She sounds like a redpiller dumbfuck. There's such thing as
>> overexertion of the mind. Humility is key to being sane.
>>
>
> Actually she's a liberal although that might have recently changed. i have a visit in 2 months so
> I'll let ya;'ll know.
>

Been awhile since this topic has been last discussed, but ran across
this report of a new study that's worth mentioning for pothead.

Its also relevant to RonB's rants...not that anyone really expects hard
data to convince him to change his opinion.

[quote]
A group of French researchers published a paper in JAMA today
[8/26/2024] assessing long term cardiac outcome with 18 months after
vaccine-caused myocarditis after mRNA vaccines and compared with
post-covid-19 mycarditis and conventional myocarditis using a large
whole-country cohort covering the entire 12-49 year old population of
France.

They found 558 cases of post-vaccine myocarditis out of ~64 million
doses of vaccine in this age group (376 after 2nd dose), for an
incidence of 1 in 115k doses (1 in 64k after 2nd dose), and 298 with
post-COVID myocarditis and 3779 with conventional myocarditis.

A total of 18/15/1 of the 558 post-vaccine myocarditis patients were
rehospitalized for myocarditis, had other cardiovascular events, or all
cause death, versus 12/22/4 of 298 post-covid myocarditis patients and
277/49/17 of 3779 conventional myocarditis patients.

After rigorously adjusting for confounders including age, sex, region,
SES, lifestyle habits, comorbidities, vaccination history, and
medications using propensity score weighting to calibrate all populatons
to the conventional myocarditis group (the comparison group), they
statistically compared the post-vaccine and post-covid groups to the
conventional myocarditis group with respect to
(1) Rehospitalization with myocarditis
(2) Cardiac events, including heart failure, heart rhythm and conduction
disorders, and cardiomyopathy
(3) All cause death
(4) Rehospitalization for any reason
(5) Composite outcomes (1)-(3)
(6) Composite outcomes (1)-(4)

From this comparison, they found the risk of all of these 6 events were
all lower after post-vaccine myocarditis than conventional myocarditis
by 25%/46%/47%/31%/45%/36%, respectively, while risk after post-covid
myocarditis was similar to conventional myocarditis, at the higher levels.

Myocarditis is the key minority harm risk for mRNA vaccines, especially
for young men and especially after 2nd dose.

Before this study, there were very little looking at moderate to long
term cardiac outcomes of myocarditis, so this paper is an important
addition to the literature.

More study of this important question is needed.

In this thread, I discuss a few of the details and strengths and
limitations of this study.
[/quote]

Original source (w/graph):
<https://x.com/jsm2334/status/1828239910366552414>

TL;DR summary on the above:

* The risks were all lower after post-vaccine myocarditis than
conventional myocarditis.

* The risk reductions were at least 25% (and up to 47% lower).

FYI, for post-covid myocarditis (without vaccine), risks was similar to
conventional myocarditis ...w/the caveat of "at the higher levels"; will
have to go look deeper into details on if the researchers found
differences in risks at the lower levels (lack of mention in the summary
implies that they didn't find a statistically significant difference).

-hh

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