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Subject: Less Is More
From: Farley Flud
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Subject: Less Is More
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How much should a GUI cost, in terms of program size.

How much is my GUI:

[~]# ls -l /usr/bin/Xorg
-rws--x--x 1 root root 2245080 Jul 29 2023 /usr/bin/Xorg

[~]# ls -l /usr/local/bin/fvwm3
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 876552 May 1 07:13 /usr/local/bin/fvwm3

Total: 3121632 bytes or approx. 3.1 Mb.

3.1 Mb! Holy shiite!

Yes indeed. My entire GUI is supported by only 3.1 Mb of code.

Mainline distros likely can't do any more with 3.1 GIGABYTES.

Brother, if you aren't rolling your own, your head is in desperate
need of a cat scan.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Subject: Re: Less Is More
From: Joel
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Subject: Re: Less Is More
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Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:

>How much should a GUI cost, in terms of program size.
>
>How much is my GUI:
>
>[~]# ls -l /usr/bin/Xorg
>-rws--x--x 1 root root 2245080 Jul 29 2023 /usr/bin/Xorg
>
>[~]# ls -l /usr/local/bin/fvwm3
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 876552 May 1 07:13 /usr/local/bin/fvwm3
>
>Total: 3121632 bytes or approx. 3.1 Mb.
>
>3.1 Mb! Holy shiite!
>
>Yes indeed. My entire GUI is supported by only 3.1 Mb of code.
>
>Mainline distros likely can't do any more with 3.1 GIGABYTES.
>
>Brother, if you aren't rolling your own, your head is in desperate
>need of a cat scan.
>
>Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Your computer sucks.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: Less Is More
From: vallor
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On Sat, 04 May 2024 15:48:41 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
<17cc53d277e9d24d$231972$197378$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:

> How much should a GUI cost, in terms of program size.
>
> How much is my GUI:
>
> [~]# ls -l /usr/bin/Xorg -rws--x--x 1 root root 2245080 Jul 29 2023
> /usr/bin/Xorg
>
> [~]# ls -l /usr/local/bin/fvwm3 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 876552 May 1
> 07:13 /usr/local/bin/fvwm3

$ ll /usr/bin/xfwm4
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 416432 Dec 16 2022 /usr/bin/xfwm4

Wuss.

--
-v

Subject: Re: Less Is More
From: candycanearter07
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Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote at 15:48 this Saturday (GMT):
> How much should a GUI cost, in terms of program size.
>
> How much is my GUI:
>
> [~]# ls -l /usr/bin/Xorg
> -rws--x--x 1 root root 2245080 Jul 29 2023 /usr/bin/Xorg
>
> [~]# ls -l /usr/local/bin/fvwm3
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 876552 May 1 07:13 /usr/local/bin/fvwm3
>
> Total: 3121632 bytes or approx. 3.1 Mb.
>
> 3.1 Mb! Holy shiite!
>
> Yes indeed. My entire GUI is supported by only 3.1 Mb of code.
>
> Mainline distros likely can't do any more with 3.1 GIGABYTES.
>
> Brother, if you aren't rolling your own, your head is in desperate
> need of a cat scan.
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>

$ du -ch /usr/bin/xfce4-*

108K /usr/bin/xfce4-about
56K /usr/bin/xfce4-accessibility-settings
76K /usr/bin/xfce4-appearance-settings
140K /usr/bin/xfce4-appfinder
72K /usr/bin/xfce4-clipman
40K /usr/bin/xfce4-clipman-history
84K /usr/bin/xfce4-clipman-settings
80K /usr/bin/xfce4-color-settings
116K /usr/bin/xfce4-dict
344K /usr/bin/xfce4-display-settings
20K /usr/bin/xfce4-find-cursor
92K /usr/bin/xfce4-keyboard-settings
16K /usr/bin/xfce4-kiosk-query
56K /usr/bin/xfce4-mime-helper
80K /usr/bin/xfce4-mime-settings
84K /usr/bin/xfce4-mouse-settings
144K /usr/bin/xfce4-notes
24K /usr/bin/xfce4-notes-settings
156K /usr/bin/xfce4-notifyd-config
340K /usr/bin/xfce4-panel
16K /usr/bin/xfce4-pm-helper
4.0K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu
16K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-clipman
4.0K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-clipman-actions
4.0K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-directorymenu
16K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-notes
24K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-whiskermenu
4.0K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-windowmenu
188K /usr/bin/xfce4-power-manager
160K /usr/bin/xfce4-power-manager-settings
168K /usr/bin/xfce4-screensaver
16K /usr/bin/xfce4-screensaver-command
32K /usr/bin/xfce4-screensaver-configure
96K /usr/bin/xfce4-screensaver-preferences
128K /usr/bin/xfce4-screenshooter
48K /usr/bin/xfce4-sensors
248K /usr/bin/xfce4-session
16K /usr/bin/xfce4-session-logout
168K /usr/bin/xfce4-session-settings
72K /usr/bin/xfce4-settings-editor
40K /usr/bin/xfce4-settings-manager
4.0K /usr/bin/xfce4-set-wallpaper
128K /usr/bin/xfce4-taskmanager
272K /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal
4.0M total

Only 4MB for xfce.
--
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Subject: Re: Less Is More
From: Simon
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On 2024-05-05, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>
> $ du -ch /usr/bin/xfce4-*
>
> 108K /usr/bin/xfce4-about
> 56K /usr/bin/xfce4-accessibility-settings
> 76K /usr/bin/xfce4-appearance-settings
> 140K /usr/bin/xfce4-appfinder
> 72K /usr/bin/xfce4-clipman
> 40K /usr/bin/xfce4-clipman-history
> 84K /usr/bin/xfce4-clipman-settings
> 80K /usr/bin/xfce4-color-settings
> 116K /usr/bin/xfce4-dict
> 344K /usr/bin/xfce4-display-settings
> 20K /usr/bin/xfce4-find-cursor
> 92K /usr/bin/xfce4-keyboard-settings
> 16K /usr/bin/xfce4-kiosk-query
> 56K /usr/bin/xfce4-mime-helper
> 80K /usr/bin/xfce4-mime-settings
> 84K /usr/bin/xfce4-mouse-settings
> 144K /usr/bin/xfce4-notes
> 24K /usr/bin/xfce4-notes-settings
> 156K /usr/bin/xfce4-notifyd-config
> 340K /usr/bin/xfce4-panel
> 16K /usr/bin/xfce4-pm-helper
> 4.0K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu
> 16K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-clipman
> 4.0K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-clipman-actions
> 4.0K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-directorymenu
> 16K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-notes
> 24K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-whiskermenu
> 4.0K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-windowmenu
> 188K /usr/bin/xfce4-power-manager
> 160K /usr/bin/xfce4-power-manager-settings
> 168K /usr/bin/xfce4-screensaver
> 16K /usr/bin/xfce4-screensaver-command
> 32K /usr/bin/xfce4-screensaver-configure
> 96K /usr/bin/xfce4-screensaver-preferences
> 128K /usr/bin/xfce4-screenshooter
> 48K /usr/bin/xfce4-sensors
> 248K /usr/bin/xfce4-session
> 16K /usr/bin/xfce4-session-logout
> 168K /usr/bin/xfce4-session-settings
> 72K /usr/bin/xfce4-settings-editor
> 40K /usr/bin/xfce4-settings-manager
> 4.0K /usr/bin/xfce4-set-wallpaper
> 128K /usr/bin/xfce4-taskmanager
> 272K /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal
> 4.0M total
>
> Only 4MB for xfce.

I have been with XFCE since KDE 3.5, they had issues and I moved away and see no
reason to go back. I can have the same desktop on my laptop and my chromebook,
other than a different conky file. I have vertical taskbar so I can use the full
height on the screen for apps. https://ibb.co/TWJw1kn

--
Simon

RLU: 222126

Subject: Re: Less Is More
From: Stéphane CARPENTIER
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Le 04-05-2024, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
> How much should a GUI cost, in terms of program size.
>
> How much is my GUI:
>
> [~]# ls -l /usr/bin/Xorg
> -rws--x--x 1 root root 2245080 Jul 29 2023 /usr/bin/Xorg
>
> [~]# ls -l /usr/local/bin/fvwm3
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 876552 May 1 07:13 /usr/local/bin/fvwm3
>
> Total: 3121632 bytes or approx. 3.1 Mb.
>
> 3.1 Mb! Holy shiite!
>
> Yes indeed. My entire GUI is supported by only 3.1 Mb of code.
>
> Mainline distros likely can't do any more with 3.1 GIGABYTES.
>
> Brother, if you aren't rolling your own, your head is in desperate
> need of a cat scan.

I can't remove any line from your message because each one of it is a
jewel by itself. I knew from a long time you are a clueless limited
pretended programmer. But this one, is way beyond what I could expect
from you.

I shouldn't be that surprised you never heard about libraries and
dependencies, but I am nevertheless. I'm surprised to discover you could
believe those two binaries are enough for your WM to start.

It's another proof you never managed to create your own distro because
you would have been able to learn more for it to make it work.

For the fun, you can launch « ldd /usr/bin/Xorg » and « ldd
/usr/local/bin/fvwm3 » and see what happens.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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On 5/4/2024 6:55 PM, vallor wrote:
> On Sat, 04 May 2024 15:48:41 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
> <17cc53d277e9d24d$231972$197378$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:
>
>> How much should a GUI cost, in terms of program size.
>>
>> How much is my GUI:
>>
>> [~]# ls -l /usr/bin/Xorg -rws--x--x 1 root root 2245080 Jul 29 2023
>> /usr/bin/Xorg
>>
>> [~]# ls -l /usr/local/bin/fvwm3 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 876552 May 1
>> 07:13 /usr/local/bin/fvwm3
>
> $ ll /usr/bin/xfwm4
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 416432 Dec 16 2022 /usr/bin/xfwm4
>
> Wuss.

bwa! No flies on Bloaty!

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On May 4, 2024 at 11:48:41 AM EDT, "Farley Flud" <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:

Actually, recent scientific research has proven that less is actually less.
Only more is actually more.

Black is not white. Up is not down. Left is not right. Less is not more. A
watched pot does indeed boil.

Subject: Re: Less Is Less (was: Less Is More)
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Subject: Re: Less Is Less (was: Less Is More)
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On Tue, 07 May 2024 03:41:42 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

> On May 4, 2024 at 11:48:41 AM EDT, "Farley Flud" <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>
> Actually, recent scientific research has proven that less is actually
> less.
> Only more is actually more.
>
> Black is not white. Up is not down. Left is not right. Less is not
> more. A watched pot does indeed boil.

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast.

Subject: Re: Less Is Less (was: Less Is More)
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Tyrone wrote:

>Actually, recent scientific research has proven that less is actually less.
>Only more is actually more.

Yes, but less of one thing can result in more of something else. The
examples are myriad.

--
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advocate" Hadron Quark

Subject: Re: Less Is More
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Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote at 08:05 this Sunday (GMT):
> On 2024-05-05, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>
>> $ du -ch /usr/bin/xfce4-*
>>
>> 108K /usr/bin/xfce4-about
>> 56K /usr/bin/xfce4-accessibility-settings
>> 76K /usr/bin/xfce4-appearance-settings
>> 140K /usr/bin/xfce4-appfinder
>> 72K /usr/bin/xfce4-clipman
>> 40K /usr/bin/xfce4-clipman-history
>> 84K /usr/bin/xfce4-clipman-settings
>> 80K /usr/bin/xfce4-color-settings
>> 116K /usr/bin/xfce4-dict
>> 344K /usr/bin/xfce4-display-settings
>> 20K /usr/bin/xfce4-find-cursor
>> 92K /usr/bin/xfce4-keyboard-settings
>> 16K /usr/bin/xfce4-kiosk-query
>> 56K /usr/bin/xfce4-mime-helper
>> 80K /usr/bin/xfce4-mime-settings
>> 84K /usr/bin/xfce4-mouse-settings
>> 144K /usr/bin/xfce4-notes
>> 24K /usr/bin/xfce4-notes-settings
>> 156K /usr/bin/xfce4-notifyd-config
>> 340K /usr/bin/xfce4-panel
>> 16K /usr/bin/xfce4-pm-helper
>> 4.0K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu
>> 16K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-clipman
>> 4.0K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-clipman-actions
>> 4.0K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-directorymenu
>> 16K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-notes
>> 24K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-whiskermenu
>> 4.0K /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-windowmenu
>> 188K /usr/bin/xfce4-power-manager
>> 160K /usr/bin/xfce4-power-manager-settings
>> 168K /usr/bin/xfce4-screensaver
>> 16K /usr/bin/xfce4-screensaver-command
>> 32K /usr/bin/xfce4-screensaver-configure
>> 96K /usr/bin/xfce4-screensaver-preferences
>> 128K /usr/bin/xfce4-screenshooter
>> 48K /usr/bin/xfce4-sensors
>> 248K /usr/bin/xfce4-session
>> 16K /usr/bin/xfce4-session-logout
>> 168K /usr/bin/xfce4-session-settings
>> 72K /usr/bin/xfce4-settings-editor
>> 40K /usr/bin/xfce4-settings-manager
>> 4.0K /usr/bin/xfce4-set-wallpaper
>> 128K /usr/bin/xfce4-taskmanager
>> 272K /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal
>> 4.0M total
>>
>> Only 4MB for xfce.
>
> I have been with XFCE since KDE 3.5, they had issues and I moved away and see no
> reason to go back. I can have the same desktop on my laptop and my chromebook,
> other than a different conky file. I have vertical taskbar so I can use the full
> height on the screen for apps. https://ibb.co/TWJw1kn

XFCE is great.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

Subject: Re: Less Is More
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On 2024-05-07, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote at 08:05 this Sunday (GMT):
>
>> I have been with XFCE since KDE 3.5, they had issues and I moved away and see no
>> reason to go back. I can have the same desktop on my laptop and my chromebook,
>> other than a different conky file. I have vertical taskbar so I can use the full
>> height on the screen for apps. https://ibb.co/TWJw1kn
>
>
> XFCE is great.

I've been playing around with Wyse terminals (5060 and 5070) running Linux.
Since the hardware is lighter (Celeron or Pentium Silver or AMD (on the
5060), all quad core) I've used Xfce instead of Cinnamon. I've gotten to
like it (especially the way Linux Mint customizes it).

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comp / comp.os.linux.advocacy / Re: Less Is More

Subject	Author
Less Is More	Farley Flud
Re: Less Is More	Joel
Re: Less Is More	vallor
Re: Less Is More	DFS
Re: Less Is More	candycanearter07
Re: Less Is More	Simon
Re: Less Is More	candycanearter07
Re: Less Is More	RonB
Re: Less Is More	Stéphane CARPENTIER
Re: Less Is Less (was: Less Is More)	Tyrone
Re: Less Is Less (was: Less Is More)	rbowman
Re: Less Is Less (was: Less Is More)	chrisv