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* Linux Is The First OS Worth CriticizingLawrence D'Oliveiro
+* Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth CriticizingJoel
|`* Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth CriticizingRabidPedagog
| `* Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth CriticizingJoel
|  +- Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth CriticizingAndrzej Matuch
|  `- Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth Criticizingcandycanearter07
+- Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth Criticizingchrisv
+* Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth Nearly NothingDFS
|`- Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth CriticizingLawrence D'Oliveiro
`- Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth CriticizingAndrzej Matuch

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Subject: Linux Is The First OS Worth Criticizing
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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It’s a waste of time complaining about proprietary OSes, because they are
all owned by companies who do things to suit their own business model, not
necessarily to align with the needs of their customers.

Only Open Source OSes are perfectible in this regard, because they are
used by the same community that owns them and contributes to them.

Subject: Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth Criticizing
From: Joel
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>It’s a waste of time complaining about proprietary OSes, because they are
>all owned by companies who do things to suit their own business model, not
>necessarily to align with the needs of their customers.

Copilot does your work for you!!!

>Only Open Source OSes are perfectible in this regard, because they are
>used by the same community that owns them and contributes to them.

Yeah, fuck M$ and fuck Apple too. I wouldn't use anything but Linux,
now.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth Criticizing
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

>It’s a waste of time complaining about proprietary OSes, because they are
>all owned by companies who do things to suit their own business model, not
>necessarily to align with the needs of their customers.
>
>Only Open Source OSes are perfectible in this regard, because they are
>used by the same community that owns them and contributes to them.

Yep. But that hasn't stopped haters from barging in here and claiming
that the FOSS community is doing it all wrong.

--
"People are not going to migrate to desktop Linux until the open
source community gets its act together." - some thing

Subject: Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth Nearly Nothing
From: DFS
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On 6/26/2024 7:56 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> It’s a waste of time complaining about proprietary OSes, because they are
> all owned by companies who do things to suit their own business model, not
> necessarily to align with the needs of their customers.
>
> Only Open Source OSes are perfectible in this regard, because they are
> used by the same community that owns them and contributes to them.

* you literally cannot even give the hobbyist crapware away

* insist an opioid addict take a Linux CD as part of the transaction
and the drug problem in the US would dry up immediately

* the poorest people in the world would rather illegally pirate Windows
than use free Linux

* the avg donation per distro download is asymptotically $0.00

Subject: Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth Criticizing
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 21:35:30 -0400, DFS wrote:

> * you literally cannot even give the hobbyist crapware away

Funny you should say that. Look at the millions who still refuse to
upgrade to Windows 11, even though Microsoft is essentially begging them
to, for free.

Subject: Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth Criticizing
From: Andrzej Matuch
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On 2024-06-26 19:56, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> It’s a waste of time complaining about proprietary OSes, because they are
> all owned by companies who do things to suit their own business model, not
> necessarily to align with the needs of their customers.
>
> Only Open Source OSes are perfectible in this regard, because they are
> used by the same community that owns them and contributes to them.

And there is a distribution for every user, or you can compile your own
from source.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Subject: Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth Criticizing
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On 2024-06-26 20:05, Joel wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> It’s a waste of time complaining about proprietary OSes, because they are
>> all owned by companies who do things to suit their own business model, not
>> necessarily to align with the needs of their customers.
>
>
> Copilot does your work for you!!!

Funny enough, I had to fail ten students of mine on their final
assignment because they decided to let AI write their essay for them and
they thought that I wouldn't notice. Nowadays, letting a student write
an essay over two periods means that they'll do nothing during the first
period, go home and let the AI write the essay for them, and then write
a final copy in which terms like "idyllic" appear.

>> Only Open Source OSes are perfectible in this regard, because they are
>> used by the same community that owns them and contributes to them.
>
> Yeah, fuck M$ and fuck Apple too. I wouldn't use anything but Linux,
> now.

Microsoft, Apple and Google have only themselves to blame for people
resisting the use of their cloud services and their operating systems.
Most people will go along with it, but most people don't even know why
they celebrate Memorial Day. They are blissful in their ignorance.

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Subject: Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth Criticizing
From: Joel
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RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>On 2024-06-26 20:05, Joel wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s a waste of time complaining about proprietary OSes, because they are
>>> all owned by companies who do things to suit their own business model, not
>>> necessarily to align with the needs of their customers.
>>
>> Copilot does your work for you!!!
>
>Funny enough, I had to fail ten students of mine on their final
>assignment because they decided to let AI write their essay for them and
>they thought that I wouldn't notice. Nowadays, letting a student write
>an essay over two periods means that they'll do nothing during the first
>period, go home and let the AI write the essay for them, and then write
>a final copy in which terms like "idyllic" appear.
>
>>> Only Open Source OSes are perfectible in this regard, because they are
>>> used by the same community that owns them and contributes to them.
>>
>> Yeah, fuck M$ and fuck Apple too. I wouldn't use anything but Linux,
>> now.
>
>Microsoft, Apple and Google have only themselves to blame for people
>resisting the use of their cloud services and their operating systems.
>Most people will go along with it, but most people don't even know why
>they celebrate Memorial Day. They are blissful in their ignorance.

I just don't really get the AI thing, but then again I don't need its
assistance for anything.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: Linux Is The First OS Worth Criticizing
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On 2024-06-27 06:56, Joel wrote:
> RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 2024-06-26 20:05, Joel wrote:
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It’s a waste of time complaining about proprietary OSes, because they are
>>>> all owned by companies who do things to suit their own business model, not
>>>> necessarily to align with the needs of their customers.
>>>
>>> Copilot does your work for you!!!
>>
>> Funny enough, I had to fail ten students of mine on their final
>> assignment because they decided to let AI write their essay for them and
>> they thought that I wouldn't notice. Nowadays, letting a student write
>> an essay over two periods means that they'll do nothing during the first
>> period, go home and let the AI write the essay for them, and then write
>> a final copy in which terms like "idyllic" appear.
>>
>>>> Only Open Source OSes are perfectible in this regard, because they are
>>>> used by the same community that owns them and contributes to them.
>>>
>>> Yeah, fuck M$ and fuck Apple too. I wouldn't use anything but Linux,
>>> now.
>>
>> Microsoft, Apple and Google have only themselves to blame for people
>> resisting the use of their cloud services and their operating systems.
>> Most people will go along with it, but most people don't even know why
>> they celebrate Memorial Day. They are blissful in their ignorance.
>
>
> I just don't really get the AI thing, but then again I don't need its
> assistance for anything.

I was impressed with the kind of covers Microsoft Designer came up with
for a theoretical book I was going to write. In a few seconds, I got
covers that looked better than anything even my artistic friends could
come up with. Anyone working as an illustrator is starting to feel obsolete.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

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Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 10:56 this Thursday (GMT):
> RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>On 2024-06-26 20:05, Joel wrote:
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It’s a waste of time complaining about proprietary OSes, because they are
>>>> all owned by companies who do things to suit their own business model, not
>>>> necessarily to align with the needs of their customers.
>>>
>>> Copilot does your work for you!!!
>>
>>Funny enough, I had to fail ten students of mine on their final
>>assignment because they decided to let AI write their essay for them and
>>they thought that I wouldn't notice. Nowadays, letting a student write
>>an essay over two periods means that they'll do nothing during the first
>>period, go home and let the AI write the essay for them, and then write
>>a final copy in which terms like "idyllic" appear.
>>
>>>> Only Open Source OSes are perfectible in this regard, because they are
>>>> used by the same community that owns them and contributes to them.
>>>
>>> Yeah, fuck M$ and fuck Apple too. I wouldn't use anything but Linux,
>>> now.
>>
>>Microsoft, Apple and Google have only themselves to blame for people
>>resisting the use of their cloud services and their operating systems.
>>Most people will go along with it, but most people don't even know why
>>they celebrate Memorial Day. They are blissful in their ignorance.
>
>
> I just don't really get the AI thing, but then again I don't need its
> assistance for anything.

Me neither, it is getting annoying having to deal with it everywhere.
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