Step forward: the new Surface CoPilot computers are very repairable

https://www.tomshardware.com/tablets/microsoft-surface/surface-copilot-pcs-the-most-repairable-ever-ifixit-praises-microsofts-change-in-philosophy

Step back: MS removes instructions on switching from MS account to local
account when logging into your PC

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-account-to-local-account-conversion-guide-erased-from-official-windows-11-guide-instructions-redacted-earlier-this-week

There's no excuse whatsoever for making it more difficult to bypass the
use of a MS acct just to log into the OS. If anything, using a MS
account should be opt-in.

On 2024-06-26 09:48, DFS wrote:
> Step forward: the new Surface CoPilot computers are very repairable
>
> https://www.tomshardware.com/tablets/microsoft-surface/surface-copilot-pcs-the-most-repairable-ever-ifixit-praises-microsofts-change-in-philosophy
>
>
>
>
> Step back: MS removes instructions on switching from MS account to local
> account when logging into your PC
>
> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-account-to-local-account-conversion-guide-erased-from-official-windows-11-guide-instructions-redacted-earlier-this-week
>
>
> There's no excuse whatsoever for making it more difficult to bypass the
> use of a MS acct just to log into the OS.  If anything, using a MS
> account should be opt-in.

Even you will have to admit it eventually: Microsoft has no interest in
users having any kind of privacy. Their optional telemetry will
eventually become mandatory, and their optional client-side scanning
will eventually be enabled by default. Using any previous operating
system of theirs which doesn't have these "features" will become impossible.

Whether you like to admit it or not, you too will use Linux.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 6/26/2024 11:09 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On 2024-06-26 09:48, DFS wrote:
>> Step forward: the new Surface CoPilot computers are very repairable
>>
>> https://www.tomshardware.com/tablets/microsoft-surface/surface-copilot-pcs-the-most-repairable-ever-ifixit-praises-microsofts-change-in-philosophy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Step back: MS removes instructions on switching from MS account to
>> local account when logging into your PC
>>
>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-account-to-local-account-conversion-guide-erased-from-official-windows-11-guide-instructions-redacted-earlier-this-week
>>
>>
>> There's no excuse whatsoever for making it more difficult to bypass
>> the use of a MS acct just to log into the OS.  If anything, using a MS
>> account should be opt-in.
>
> Even you will have to admit it eventually: Microsoft has no interest in
> users having any kind of privacy.

If MS has been 'invading my privacy', I've seen no negatives from it.

> Their optional telemetry will
> eventually become mandatory, and their optional client-side scanning
> will eventually be enabled by default. Using any previous operating
> system of theirs which doesn't have these "features" will become
> impossible.

They will, huh?

I know you believe in psychics, but I didn't know you actually were a
psychic too! Congrats!

So tell me: is MS really doomed?

> Whether you like to admit it or not, you too will use Linux.

VERY doubtful. Too much crappy hobbyware forced on you, and I DETEST
Stallman, the "father" of the GPL.

On 2024-06-26 12:47, DFS wrote:

>> Even you will have to admit it eventually: Microsoft has no interest
>> in users having any kind of privacy.
>
> If MS has been 'invading my privacy', I've seen no negatives from it.

That has to be the stupidest comment I've ever read in this newsgroup.
Because they didn't directly harm you, you consent to them knowing
everything about you? How is this comment not self-defeating?
>> Their optional telemetry will eventually become mandatory, and their
>> optional client-side scanning will eventually be enabled by default.
>> Using any previous operating system of theirs which doesn't have these
>> "features" will become impossible.
>
> They will, huh?
>
> I know you believe in psychics, but I didn't know you actually were a
> psychic too!  Congrats!
>
> So tell me: is MS really doomed?

Microsoft is doomed in the eyes of people who value their privacy and
their freedoms, including freedom of speech. The lemmings, however, will
gladly go on with Microsoft's invasions.

>> Whether you like to admit it or not, you too will use Linux.
>
> VERY doubtful.  Too much crappy hobbyware forced on you, and I DETEST
> Stallman, the "father" of the GPL.

As far as I know, Stallman did not create anything other than GCC and
the FSF. Everything that came after that was influenced by him, but not
credited to him. Either way, Linux will survive despite your resistance
to it.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 6/26/2024 1:06 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On 2024-06-26 12:47, DFS wrote:
>
>>> Even you will have to admit it eventually: Microsoft has no interest
>>> in users having any kind of privacy.
>>
>> If MS has been 'invading my privacy', I've seen no negatives from it.
>
> That has to be the stupidest comment I've ever read in this newsgroup.

Dumber than your statement that "Once we moved out [of a haunted house],
we suddenly had no trouble getting pregnant and all of our bad luck
vanished."?

> Because they didn't directly harm you, you consent to them knowing
> everything about you? How is this comment not self-defeating?
>>> Their optional telemetry will eventually become mandatory, and their
>>> optional client-side scanning will eventually be enabled by default.
>>> Using any previous operating system of theirs which doesn't have
>>> these "features" will become impossible.
>>
>> They will, huh?
>>
>> I know you believe in psychics, but I didn't know you actually were a
>> psychic too!  Congrats!
>>
>> So tell me: is MS really doomed?
>
> Microsoft is doomed in the eyes of people who value their privacy and
> their freedoms, including freedom of speech. The lemmings, however, will
> gladly go on with Microsoft's invasions.

Last week you were a Windows lemming. Today you're a Linux freedom
fighter. From zero to hero in a week!

>>> Whether you like to admit it or not, you too will use Linux.
>>
>> VERY doubtful.  Too much crappy hobbyware forced on you, and I DETEST
>> Stallman, the "father" of the GPL.
>
> As far as I know, Stallman did not create anything other than GCC and
> the FSF. Everything that came after that was influenced by him, but not
> credited to him.

Think about what a sick monster he really is. He would rather videos of
your child being raped remain available on the Internet because in his
warped brain it's 'censorship' to destroy them.

> Either way, Linux will survive despite your resistance to it.

Together we can beat it:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
"*I* *GIVE* *UP
I am going to be formatting every last key I have with Linux on it and I
am quitting this forum. I don't even want to think about this steaming
pile of garbage anymore. It was a fucking routine installation on a
basic computer and even THAT Linux manages to complete screw up.
*I* *GIVE* *UP*."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>Step forward: the new Surface CoPilot computers are very repairable
>
>https://www.tomshardware.com/tablets/microsoft-surface/surface-copilot-pcs-the-most-repairable-ever-ifixit-praises-microsofts-change-in-philosophy

Intriguing, not that I would buy such a device.

>Step back: MS removes instructions on switching from MS account to local
>account when logging into your PC
>
>https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-account-to-local-account-conversion-guide-erased-from-official-windows-11-guide-instructions-redacted-earlier-this-week
>
>
>
>There's no excuse whatsoever for making it more difficult to bypass the
>use of a MS acct just to log into the OS. If anything, using a MS
>account should be opt-in.

I admit I don't really see why people object so much to this, you can
just make a basically unused MS account solely for OS-related stuff, I
just used my account that I've had since before Hotmail was bought out
by M$, the one I emailed you from, but yeah I can see why removing the
instructions for changing it is annoying. Then again, compared to
this Copilot garbage, it's nothing. I saw an ad yesterday on X/
Twitter, propagandizing Copilot doing work for a loyal Winblows
customer, just pathetic. If I were into AI, it wouldn't be with M$'s
built-in interface, FFS.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-06-26 13:27, DFS wrote:
> On 6/26/2024 1:06 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On 2024-06-26 12:47, DFS wrote:
>>
>>>> Even you will have to admit it eventually: Microsoft has no interest
>>>> in users having any kind of privacy.
>>>
>>> If MS has been 'invading my privacy', I've seen no negatives from it.
>>
>> That has to be the stupidest comment I've ever read in this newsgroup.
>
> Dumber than your statement that "Once we moved out [of a haunted house],
> we suddenly had no trouble getting pregnant and all of our bad luck
> vanished."?

I stand by that statement.

>> Because they didn't directly harm you, you consent to them knowing
>> everything about you? How is this comment not self-defeating?
>>>> Their optional telemetry will eventually become mandatory, and their
>>>> optional client-side scanning will eventually be enabled by default.
>>>> Using any previous operating system of theirs which doesn't have
>>>> these "features" will become impossible.
>>>
>>> They will, huh?
>>>
>>> I know you believe in psychics, but I didn't know you actually were a
>>> psychic too!  Congrats!
>>>
>>> So tell me: is MS really doomed?
>>
>> Microsoft is doomed in the eyes of people who value their privacy and
>> their freedoms, including freedom of speech. The lemmings, however,
>> will gladly go on with Microsoft's invasions.
>
> Last week you were a Windows lemming.  Today you're a Linux freedom
> fighter.  From zero to hero in a week!

I tend to keep an eye on tech news. Doing that is what made me iffy
about Microsoft and Apple for as long as it has. I've forgiven their
behaviour repeatedly in the past, but it now looks like they're doubling
down. They don't even want you to have local accounts because
"security!" The same way Apple's client-side scanning was about
"security!" and Microsoft's client-side scanning is "security!" You are
free to continue to be fooled.

>>>> Whether you like to admit it or not, you too will use Linux.
>>>
>>> VERY doubtful.  Too much crappy hobbyware forced on you, and I DETEST
>>> Stallman, the "father" of the GPL.
>>
>> As far as I know, Stallman did not create anything other than GCC and
>> the FSF. Everything that came after that was influenced by him, but
>> not credited to him.
>
> Think about what a sick monster he really is.  He would rather videos of
> your child being raped remain available on the Internet because in his
> warped brain it's 'censorship' to destroy them.

I understand his position though I disagree with it.

> > Either way, Linux will survive despite your resistance to it.
>
> Together we can beat it:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "*I* *GIVE* *UP
> I am going to be formatting every last key I have with Linux on it and I
> am quitting this forum. I don't even want to think about this steaming
> pile of garbage anymore. It was a fucking routine installation on a
> basic computer and even THAT Linux manages to complete screw up.
> *I* *GIVE* *UP*."
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yep, and I am now using the exact distribution that made me react that way.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>On 2024-06-26 09:48, DFS wrote:
>
>> Step forward: the new Surface CoPilot computers are very repairable
>>
>> https://www.tomshardware.com/tablets/microsoft-surface/surface-copilot-pcs-the-most-repairable-ever-ifixit-praises-microsofts-change-in-philosophy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Step back: MS removes instructions on switching from MS account to local
>> account when logging into your PC
>>
>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-account-to-local-account-conversion-guide-erased-from-official-windows-11-guide-instructions-redacted-earlier-this-week
>>
>>
>> There's no excuse whatsoever for making it more difficult to bypass the
>> use of a MS acct just to log into the OS.  If anything, using a MS
>> account should be opt-in.
>
>Even you will have to admit it eventually: Microsoft has no interest in
>users having any kind of privacy. Their optional telemetry will
>eventually become mandatory, and their optional client-side scanning
>will eventually be enabled by default. Using any previous operating
>system of theirs which doesn't have these "features" will become impossible.
>
>Whether you like to admit it or not, you too will use Linux.

Exactly, it used to be a philosophical thing, now it's just an
imperative. There is no supported Winblows version that's worth crap,
now, 10 is too close to the end of support, it's an utter dead end. 11
has Copilot and is getting worse with every update. You need Linux to
survive, as a desktop computer user, unless you can take Apple's ass
reaming.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-06-26 15:29, Joel wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-06-26 09:48, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Step forward: the new Surface CoPilot computers are very repairable
>>>
>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/tablets/microsoft-surface/surface-copilot-pcs-the-most-repairable-ever-ifixit-praises-microsofts-change-in-philosophy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Step back: MS removes instructions on switching from MS account to local
>>> account when logging into your PC
>>>
>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-account-to-local-account-conversion-guide-erased-from-official-windows-11-guide-instructions-redacted-earlier-this-week
>>>
>>>
>>> There's no excuse whatsoever for making it more difficult to bypass the
>>> use of a MS acct just to log into the OS.  If anything, using a MS
>>> account should be opt-in.
>>
>> Even you will have to admit it eventually: Microsoft has no interest in
>> users having any kind of privacy. Their optional telemetry will
>> eventually become mandatory, and their optional client-side scanning
>> will eventually be enabled by default. Using any previous operating
>> system of theirs which doesn't have these "features" will become impossible.
>>
>> Whether you like to admit it or not, you too will use Linux.
>
>
> Exactly, it used to be a philosophical thing, now it's just an
> imperative. There is no supported Winblows version that's worth crap,
> now, 10 is too close to the end of support, it's an utter dead end. 11
> has Copilot and is getting worse with every update. You need Linux to
> survive, as a desktop computer user, unless you can take Apple's ass
> reaming.

I love the battery life and the keyboard on the Apple laptops, but I can
get the same kind of battery life if I buy a laptop with a Snapdragon
Elite processor on the PC side and a laptop keyboard made by
Steelseries. Using a PC, I'll at least have an option of whether I use
Windows or Linux, as well as the option to replace any of the laptop's
parts myself. With Apple, good luck on that last part.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:

>>> Whether you like to admit it or not, you too will use Linux.
>>
>> Exactly, it used to be a philosophical thing, now it's just an
>> imperative. There is no supported Winblows version that's worth crap,
>> now, 10 is too close to the end of support, it's an utter dead end. 11
>> has Copilot and is getting worse with every update. You need Linux to
>> survive, as a desktop computer user, unless you can take Apple's ass
>> reaming.
>
>I love the battery life and the keyboard on the Apple laptops, but I can
>get the same kind of battery life if I buy a laptop with a Snapdragon
>Elite processor on the PC side and a laptop keyboard made by
>Steelseries. Using a PC, I'll at least have an option of whether I use
>Windows or Linux, as well as the option to replace any of the laptop's
>parts myself. With Apple, good luck on that last part.

Laptops are an enigma to me, yeah, I see why one would want it, to sit
on the couch with a real computer, but it's just undoable for me, I
can use my phone as a portable computer, but for real work I need my
desk and monitor/keyboard/etc. So yeah, if I thought about getting a
laptop, the MacBook models are a nice option, having the non-Intel/AMD
stuff, but that's beginning to be available in PC models as well, so
as long as I could boot Linux, that'd be the choice.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 09:48:55 -0400, DFS wrote:

> There's no excuse whatsoever for making it more difficult to bypass the
> use of a MS acct just to log into the OS.

Yes there is: they own the platform, they have the right to manage it how
they like.

On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 16:20:19 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Laptops are an enigma to me, yeah, I see why one would want it, to sit
> on the couch with a real computer, but it's just undoable for me, I can
> use my phone as a portable computer, but for real work I need my desk
> and monitor/keyboard/etc. So yeah, if I thought about getting a laptop,
> the MacBook models are a nice option, having the non-Intel/AMD stuff,
> but that's beginning to be available in PC models as well, so as long as
> I could boot Linux, that'd be the choice.

You don't travel much, do you? At home my laptop is plugged into the KVM
along with the other computers but when I'm on the road it serves. I do
usually carry one of those little mice. I hate trackpads and all their
relatives.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> Laptops are an enigma to me, yeah, I see why one would want it, to sit
>> on the couch with a real computer, but it's just undoable for me, I can
>> use my phone as a portable computer, but for real work I need my desk
>> and monitor/keyboard/etc. So yeah, if I thought about getting a laptop,
>> the MacBook models are a nice option, having the non-Intel/AMD stuff,
>> but that's beginning to be available in PC models as well, so as long as
>> I could boot Linux, that'd be the choice.
>
>You don't travel much, do you? At home my laptop is plugged into the KVM
>along with the other computers but when I'm on the road it serves. I do
>usually carry one of those little mice. I hate trackpads and all their
>relatives.

I guess it would be alright to have for traveling, although more of a
burden to carry than my phone.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 6/26/2024 3:20 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> Step forward: the new Surface CoPilot computers are very repairable
>>
>> https://www.tomshardware.com/tablets/microsoft-surface/surface-copilot-pcs-the-most-repairable-ever-ifixit-praises-microsofts-change-in-philosophy
>
>
> Intriguing, not that I would buy such a device.
>
>
>> Step back: MS removes instructions on switching from MS account to local
>> account when logging into your PC
>>
>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-account-to-local-account-conversion-guide-erased-from-official-windows-11-guide-instructions-redacted-earlier-this-week
>>
>>
>>
>> There's no excuse whatsoever for making it more difficult to bypass the
>> use of a MS acct just to log into the OS. If anything, using a MS
>> account should be opt-in.
>
>
> I admit I don't really see why people object so much to this,

You don't object to having to login to a Microsoft account just to use
your own computer? It irks the hell out of me and most people.

It cannot be excused technically, but some goobs don't mind it.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/why-do-i-need-a-microsoft-online-account-for/c35be853-04d3-4814-b65c-adadf4e97d3c

> you can
> just make a basically unused MS account solely for OS-related stuff, I
> just used my account that I've had since before Hotmail was bought out
> by M$, the one I emailed you from,

I also have a very old Hotmail acct that I use for anonymous stuff. MS
has done a good job filtering out spam, I must say.

> but yeah I can see why removing the
> instructions for changing it is annoying. Then again, compared to
> this Copilot garbage, it's nothing. I saw an ad yesterday on X/
> Twitter, propagandizing Copilot doing work for a loyal Winblows
> customer, just pathetic. If I were into AI, it wouldn't be with M$'s
> built-in interface, FFS.

Down the road, Linux will have even more loyal and more pathetic AI
fanboi customers.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>> Step back: MS removes instructions on switching from MS account to local
>>> account when logging into your PC
>>>
>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-account-to-local-account-conversion-guide-erased-from-official-windows-11-guide-instructions-redacted-earlier-this-week
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There's no excuse whatsoever for making it more difficult to bypass the
>>> use of a MS acct just to log into the OS. If anything, using a MS
>>> account should be opt-in.
>>
>> I admit I don't really see why people object so much to this,
>
>You don't object to having to login to a Microsoft account just to use
>your own computer? It irks the hell out of me and most people.
>
>It cannot be excused technically, but some goobs don't mind it.
>
>https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/why-do-i-need-a-microsoft-online-account-for/c35be853-04d3-4814-b65c-adadf4e97d3c

When I was running Win10/11, I only had to type a numeric PIN to log
in. No big deal. There were features enabled by being logged into my
MS account.

>> compared to
>> this Copilot garbage, it's nothing. I saw an ad yesterday on X/
>> Twitter, propagandizing Copilot doing work for a loyal Winblows
>> customer, just pathetic. If I were into AI, it wouldn't be with M$'s
>> built-in interface, FFS.
>
>Down the road, Linux will have even more loyal and more pathetic AI
>fanboi customers.

Oh, a specific distro could get into it somehow, but that's where
having numerous distros will make it better than M$, which couldn't
wait to force Copilot into Win11. And is now wanting to use AI as
spyware, apparently. What a disaster.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 19:51:57 -0400, Joel wrote:

> I guess it would be alright to have for traveling, although more of a
> burden to carry than my phone.

I don't think there is a VS Code version for my Android phone, let alone a
C compiler or Python 3.12 install.

About all I use the phone for is Slack, a geocaching app, the Fitbit app,
and a step counter. Oh, yeah, as a receiver for the stupid 2FA pins.

On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 21:44:00 -0400, DFS wrote:

> You don't object to having to login to a Microsoft account just to use
> your own computer? It irks the hell out of me and most people.

So far I don't have to on my personal laptop. The company machines are
completely infiltrated.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> I guess it would be alright to have for traveling, although more of a
>> burden to carry than my phone.
>
>I don't think there is a VS Code version for my Android phone, let alone a
>C compiler or Python 3.12 install.
>
>About all I use the phone for is Slack, a geocaching app, the Fitbit app,
>and a step counter. Oh, yeah, as a receiver for the stupid 2FA pins.

My work can largely be done with a phone, but it's still nice to have
the Linux box when I'm settled at home, at my desk. A laptop would be
useful when traveling for multiple days, but one more thing to keep
track of as I was doing so. It's hard to say that I'd really need it,
I was able to post to Usenet with a phone app, on my vacation,
certainly not as good as a computer, but it goes to show it can be
done.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 00:44:24 -0400, Joel wrote:

> I was able to post to Usenet with a phone app, on my vacation, certainly
> not as good as a computer, but it goes to show it can be done.

I've never tried that. Trying to type something in Slack with my big, fat,
fingers and not having it autocorrected to oblivion is hard enough.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> Dumfsck wrote:
>>
>> There's no excuse whatsoever for making it more difficult to bypass the
>> use of a MS acct just to log into the OS.
>
>Yes there is: they own the platform, they have the right to manage it how
>they like.

Dumfsck right. You wrong. The computer, and everything on it, you
bought and paid for (or was given away for Free).

Where does it end? With every action our life recorded because M$ or
Amazon or Google or Tesla "owns the platform"?

--
"[TomB] even claimed that when I noted how desktop Linux was becoming
more efficient, productive, and better at error reduction this was
somehow against the open source philosophy." - some thing, lying
shamelessly (but no one can quote it lying)

On 2024-06-26 21:44, DFS wrote:
> On 6/26/2024 3:20 PM, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Step forward: the new Surface CoPilot computers are very repairable
>>>
>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/tablets/microsoft-surface/surface-copilot-pcs-the-most-repairable-ever-ifixit-praises-microsofts-change-in-philosophy
>>
>>
>> Intriguing, not that I would buy such a device.
>>
>>
>>> Step back: MS removes instructions on switching from MS account to local
>>> account when logging into your PC
>>>
>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-account-to-local-account-conversion-guide-erased-from-official-windows-11-guide-instructions-redacted-earlier-this-week
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There's no excuse whatsoever for making it more difficult to bypass the
>>> use of a MS acct just to log into the OS.  If anything, using a MS
>>> account should be opt-in.
>>
>>
>> I admit I don't really see why people object so much to this,
>
> You don't object to having to login to a Microsoft account just to use
> your own computer?  It irks the hell out of me and most people.
>
> It cannot be excused technically, but some goobs don't mind it.
>
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/why-do-i-need-a-microsoft-online-account-for/c35be853-04d3-4814-b65c-adadf4e97d3c

Logging into a Microsoft account just to use the operating system is
allowing the company to save your private files to OneDrive by default,
recording all of your bookmarks and browsing habits through Edge and
reading your e-mail if you actually use that account for that purpose.
Sure, you can change that after the fact, but the operating system will
revert back to the defaults every so often regardless of what you chose.
How many times have people complained that their Windows keeps trying to
change their search engine back to Bing and their browser back to Edge?
How many Chrome users have complained that Microsoft keeps pushing Edge
on them? Pretending that it doesn't happen won't help the situation. I
notice that in Microsoft Office, even when I set my default save
location to be local, it still goes back to wanting to use OneDrive. I
don't use OneDrive, but the software doesn't care. In fact, even when
they were saved locally, Windows would insist that everything would have
to be saved to C:\Users\rabis\OneDrive\Documents rather than just
C:\Users\rabid\Documents. It's almost shaming you for not using their
cloud garbage.

< snip >

>> but yeah I can see why removing the
>> instructions for changing it is annoying.  Then again, compared to
>> this Copilot garbage, it's nothing.  I saw an ad yesterday on X/
>> Twitter, propagandizing Copilot doing work for a loyal Winblows
>> customer, just pathetic.  If I were into AI, it wouldn't be with M$'s
>> built-in interface, FFS.
>
> Down the road, Linux will have even more loyal and more pathetic AI
> fanboi customers.

They will, because a lot more people such as myself will be happy to
accept some compromise to get away from the cloud garbage and constant
monitoring of their activities. They'll be mocked by people such as
yourself for a while and might come back temporarily. However, they will
eventually make a firm decision to stay with Linux regardless of what
some prick thinks about their operating system of choice.

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Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>
>> Down the road, Linux will have even more loyal and more pathetic AI
>> fanboi customers.
>
>They will, because a lot more people such as myself will be happy to
>accept some compromise to get away from the cloud garbage and constant
>monitoring of their activities. They'll be mocked by people such as
>yourself for a while and might come back temporarily. However, they will
>eventually make a firm decision to stay with Linux regardless of what
>some prick thinks about their operating system of choice.

Only a prick would attack you for vacillating on the issue.

That's what DumFSck is, of course.

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"Any reason you don't work for free, turd?" - some dumb fsck

On 2024-06-27 07:07, chrisv wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>>
>>> Down the road, Linux will have even more loyal and more pathetic AI
>>> fanboi customers.
>>
>> They will, because a lot more people such as myself will be happy to
>> accept some compromise to get away from the cloud garbage and constant
>> monitoring of their activities. They'll be mocked by people such as
>> yourself for a while and might come back temporarily. However, they will
>> eventually make a firm decision to stay with Linux regardless of what
>> some prick thinks about their operating system of choice.
>
> Only a prick would attack you for vacillating on the issue.
>
> That's what DumFSck is, of course.

How many privacy and usability violations are Windows and Mac users
willing to put up with before they decide that they can't take it
anymore. You're being forced to log into a Microsoft account (regardless
of whether you even have a Microsoft account), you're being forced to
save your data online, you're being forced to surrender to keylogging
(to improve handwriting and typing predictions only, I'm sure), you're
being forced to surrender to client-side scanning (only to catch the
pedophiles, I'm sure). How much more can people take?

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 6/27/2024 6:46 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On 2024-06-26 21:44, DFS wrote:
>>
>> Down the road, Linux will have even more loyal and more pathetic AI
>> fanboi customers.
>
> They will, because a lot more people such as myself will be happy to
> accept some compromise to get away from the cloud garbage and constant
> monitoring of their activities.

That's a serious claim. When are you gonna file suit for this MS
spying/invasion of your privacy?

You'll have to prove it actually happens, of course. You can prove it,
can't you?

> They'll be mocked by people such as
> yourself for a while and might come back temporarily. However, they will
> eventually make a firm decision to stay with Linux regardless of what
> some prick thinks about their operating system of choice.

I see 'they/their' are your new pronouns. I'm shocked.

On 2024-06-27 09:11, DFS wrote:
> On 6/27/2024 6:46 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On 2024-06-26 21:44, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>> Down the road, Linux will have even more loyal and more pathetic AI
>>> fanboi customers.
>>
>> They will, because a lot more people such as myself will be happy to
>> accept some compromise to get away from the cloud garbage and constant
>> monitoring of their activities.
>
> That's a serious claim.  When are you gonna file suit for this MS
> spying/invasion of your privacy?
>
> You'll have to prove it actually happens, of course.  You can prove it,
> can't you?

Countless YouTubers have already explained this. Pick one. If you can't,
see Rob Braxman.

>> They'll be mocked by people such as yourself for a while and might
>> come back temporarily. However, they will eventually make a firm
>> decision to stay with Linux regardless of what some prick thinks about
>> their operating system of choice.
>
> I see 'they/their' are your new pronouns.  I'm shocked.

It seems to me that the "vaccines" have rotted what used to be a
functional brain.

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Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.