On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 21:18:23 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
<mcc47jt689i0dhnq1u3ij8gfcuasob7r05@4ax.com>:

> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 18:04:38 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>><1eydnaTICYM6s-_7nZ2dnZfqn_QAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>>> Joel wrote:
>>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> off topic
>>>>>
>>>>> nope
>>>>>
>>>>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>>>>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>>>>
>>>> Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
>>>> shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.
>>>>
>>> i use whatever is free i don't pay to do this
>>
>>The price of your OS was bundled with your new computer.
>>
>>The price of Linux is whatever you pay for it, usually the
>>low low low price of FREE.
>
>
> Cue DFS suggesting it's an unfair competitive practice to give away
> software.

That's not fair to put words in his mouth when he's not
here...you know he has an early bedtime.

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> On 18 Jun 2024 22:00:28 GMT, vallor wrote:
>
>>
>> Obviously, you've not set up a repo on github.
>>
>> What does the README say? "needs GMP" or something like that.
>>
>> It also asks you for a license. In a split-second decision,
>> I picked "MIT".
>>
>
> That's no surprise with the Microslop-owned github.
>
> The author of the code should always control how it is
> published, and not the repository.

Uh, you can pick the license when adding a LICENSE file on GitHub.

> It is recommended to use gitlab instead of github but I wonder
> if the practice there is any different.
>
> But anyone serious about presenting FOSS code should simply
> have his own web site.

You can have your own web site and an "io" web site on Github.

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Q: Why don't lawyers go to the beach?
A: The cats keep trying to bury them.

vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> ObLinux:
> DISTRO-LACKEY(7) Miscellaneous Information Manual DISTRO-LACKEY(7)
>
> NAME
> distro-lackey - distro-lackey information
>
> SYNOPSYS
> distro-lackies are the distro-bound people who pollute the
> Net with cries of "distro-lackey".
>
> DESCRIPTION
> distro-lackies are the distro-bound people who pollute the
> Net with cries of "distro-lackey".
>
> NEWSGROUPS
> The one known as "Furled Fart" can be found on
> comp.os.linux.advocacy.
>
> DISTRO-LACKEY joke-docs DISTRO-LACKEY(7)

That should be in the Jargon File !

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On 2024-06-18 9:04 p.m., % wrote:
> Joel wrote:
>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>
>>>> off topic
>>>
>>> nope
>>>
>>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>>
>>
>> Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
>> shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.
>>
> i use whatever is free i don't pay to do this

To most people, Windows is indeed free since it came with their machine.
It only costs something to people who are building a machine from scratch.

On 2024-06-18 9:14 p.m., vallor wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 18:04:38 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
> <1eydnaTICYM6s-_7nZ2dnZfqn_QAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>
>> Joel wrote:
>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> off topic
>>>>
>>>> nope
>>>>
>>>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>>>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>>>
>>>
>>> Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
>>> shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.
>>>
>> i use whatever is free i don't pay to do this
>
> The price of your OS was bundled with your new computer.

They've already done articles about this. I recall that when I worked
for a local retailer, the cost of Windows bundled with a machine you
purchased was $50. It seems to be around $30 per license now.

> The price of Linux is whatever you pay for it, usually the
> low low low price of FREE.

It's about the right price if you have no idea whether you will like it
and choose to install it.

vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 21:18:23 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>
>> Cue DFS suggesting it's an unfair competitive practice to give away
>> software.
>
> That's not fair to put words in his mouth when he's not
> here...you know he has an early bedtime.

He sleeps in Mother's room. She sits in a rocking chair, decomposing.

https://youtu.be/_g_uR7Bti8Y?t=141

Herbalizer: A Mother (for your mind)

--
The surest protection against temptation is cowardice.
-- Mark Twain

On 6/18/2024 7:04 PM, vallor wrote:

> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).

Why do you have to turn it up to 11? What was wrong with 10?

What was wrong with the kernel you had in March, that you've already
replaced 3 or 4 times?

Why are you so dissatisfied with Linux that you have to constantly
update it?

Aliens movie : "Let's rock!!!"

GuhNoo adherents: "Let's tinker!!!"

On 6/18/2024 9:18 PM, Joel wrote:
> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 18:04:38 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <1eydnaTICYM6s-_7nZ2dnZfqn_QAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>>> Joel wrote:
>>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> off topic
>>>>>
>>>>> nope
>>>>>
>>>>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>>>>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>>>>
>>>> Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
>>>> shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.
>>>>
>>> i use whatever is free i don't pay to do this
>>
>> The price of your OS was bundled with your new computer.
>>
>> The price of Linux is whatever you pay for it, usually the
>> low low low price of FREE.
>
>
> Cue DFS suggesting it's an unfair competitive practice to give away
> software.

By definition, a price tag of $0.00 is unfair competition.

You don't work so this is moot, but imagine you have a job and you're
sitting at your desk and your boss walks up with someone and introduces
him: "Joel, this is Farley Freetard. I apologize for his body odor and
green teeth, but he'll do your job for free. So we have to let you go.
You understand. Security is here to escort you out."

You would be OK with that, right? That's fair treatment of you, right?

This is EXACTLY what Stallman wants to happen to "unethical" closed
source software:

* "We will give them the Free software so your non-Free software will
fail."

* "non-Free software is completely unethical and should not exist at
all"

That grotesque, evil slob would deny a career to untold numbers of
commercial software developers if he could. He would absolutely
decimate the software industry, all because he has some delusion that
everyone has the "right" to everyone's source code. The most brilliant
software developers in the world, most of whom write commercial code,
would quit doing it - or greatly curtail their efforts - if they
couldn't make a living from it.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 6/18/2024 9:18 PM, Joel wrote:
>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> The price of Linux is whatever you pay for it, usually the
>>> low low low price of FREE.
>>
>> Cue DFS suggesting it's an unfair competitive practice to give away
>> software.
>
>By definition, a price tag of $0.00 is unfair competition.
>
>You don't work so this is moot, but imagine you have a job and you're
>sitting at your desk and your boss walks up with someone and introduces
>him: "Joel, this is Farley Freetard. I apologize for his body odor and
>green teeth, but he'll do your job for free. So we have to let you go.
> You understand. Security is here to escort you out."
>
>You would be OK with that, right? That's fair treatment of you, right?
>
>
>This is EXACTLY what Stallman wants to happen to "unethical" closed
>source software:
>
>* "We will give them the Free software so your non-Free software will
> fail."
>
>* "non-Free software is completely unethical and should not exist at
> all"
>
>That grotesque, evil slob would deny a career to untold numbers of
>commercial software developers if he could. He would absolutely
>decimate the software industry, all because he has some delusion that
>everyone has the "right" to everyone's source code. The most brilliant
>software developers in the world, most of whom write commercial code,
>would quit doing it - or greatly curtail their efforts - if they
>couldn't make a living from it.

Well, that hasn't happened. People still use Windows, Office,
Photoshop, et al.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

vallor wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 19:35:03 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
> <2MycnSahEslK3u_7nZ2dnZfqnPYAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>
>> vallor wrote:
>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 18:56:09 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> <SmidnWTg2_8np-_7nZ2dnZfqn_EAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>>>
>>>> Joel wrote:
>>>>> % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Joel wrote:
>>>>>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> off topic
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> nope
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>>>>>>>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
>>>>>>> shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> i use whatever is free i don't pay to do this
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You apparently mean you use what came with your device, which appears
>>>>> to be Win10 from your headers. Nothing wrong with that, but a little
>>>>> of the price of your device went to M$, for the included OS.
>>>>>
>>>> this is not my device i didn't pay for it ,
>>>> i wouldn't be caught dead buying one of these
>>>
>>> Who bought it?
>>>
>> i don't know i wasn't here for that
>
> did...did it "fall off a truck"?
>
ity may have , i just said i don't know didn't i

Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On 2024-06-18 9:04 p.m., % wrote:
>> Joel wrote:
>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> off topic
>>>>
>>>> nope
>>>>
>>>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>>>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>>>
>>>
>>> Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
>>> shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.
>>>
>> i use whatever is free i don't pay to do this
>
> To most people, Windows is indeed free since it came with their machine.
> It only costs something to people who are building a machine from scratch.

this computer was just here so i use it

% wrote:
> vallor wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 19:35:03 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <2MycnSahEslK3u_7nZ2dnZfqnPYAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>>
>>> vallor wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 18:56:09 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> <SmidnWTg2_8np-_7nZ2dnZfqn_EAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Joel wrote:
>>>>>> % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> off topic
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> nope
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>>>>>>>>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
>>>>>>>> shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i use whatever is free i don't pay to do this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You apparently mean you use what came with your device, which appears
>>>>>> to be Win10 from your headers.  Nothing wrong with that, but a little
>>>>>> of the price of your device went to M$, for the included OS.
>>>>>>
>>>>> this is not my device i didn't pay for it ,
>>>>> i wouldn't be caught dead buying one of these
>>>>
>>>> Who bought it?
>>>>
>>> i don't know i wasn't here for that
>>
>> did...did it "fall off a truck"?
>>
> ity may have , i just said i don't know didn't i
>
>
ity may

Andrzej Matuch wrote:

>To most people, Windows is indeed free since it came with their machine.
>It only costs something to people who are building a machine from scratch.

WinDOS is very inexpensive because Microshaft is raping your privacy.

If you think it's bad now, wait until all the motherboards have an
"AI" chip on them. They are coming soon. This will enable the M$
"Copilot" AI to analyse everything on your system, and everything that
you're doing with it, and report back to M$ (or to the government).

--
"When you install Windows you agree to their data collection policies.
There's no spying whatsoever." - some dumb fsck, lying shamelessly

On 2024-06-19 8:32 a.m., DFS wrote:
> On 6/18/2024 7:04 PM, vallor wrote:
>
>
>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>
>
> Why do you have to turn it up to 11?  What was wrong with 10?
>
> What was wrong with the kernel you had in March, that you've already
> replaced 3 or 4 times?
>
> Why are you so dissatisfied with Linux that you have to constantly
> update it?
>
>
> Aliens movie    : "Let's rock!!!"
>
> GuhNoo adherents: "Let's tinker!!!"

He wants to update the Linux kernel because it can be optimized to run
better on certain hardware if you know which flags to set. Additionally,
the kernel tends to improve with each version rather than slow the
entire system down the way the Windows and MacOS ones do.

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>>To most people, Windows is indeed free since it came with their machine.
>>It only costs something to people who are building a machine from scratch.
>
>WinDOS is very inexpensive because Microshaft is raping your privacy.
>
>If you think it's bad now, wait until all the motherboards have an
>"AI" chip on them. They are coming soon. This will enable the M$
>"Copilot" AI to analyse everything on your system, and everything that
>you're doing with it, and report back to M$ (or to the government).

Copilot is an example of why I'd never go back to Windows, even on a
new machine, just always trying to think for the user, call me old
fashioned but I'm capable of using ChatGPT independently of the
fuckin' OS, if I even wanted it in the first place, which I don't.
Linux is virtually *altogether* advantageous, to me, almost nothing at
all is sacrificed to abstain from Windows.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-06-19 11:52 a.m., chrisv wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> To most people, Windows is indeed free since it came with their machine.
>> It only costs something to people who are building a machine from scratch.
>
> WinDOS is very inexpensive because Microshaft is raping your privacy.

No doubt about that here.

> If you think it's bad now, wait until all the motherboards have an
> "AI" chip on them. They are coming soon. This will enable the M$
> "Copilot" AI to analyse everything on your system, and everything that
> you're doing with it, and report back to M$ (or to the government).

Yep, it's part of why I struggle daily with the decision to continue
using Windows. I'm not even sarcastic about it. DFS mocks the way I go
to and from Linux, but a lot of that is caused by my conscience telling
me that I am sacrificing my privacy by continuing to use Microsoft products.

% wrote:

>this computer was just here so i use it

Like most people. Only those who are motivated and informed, and
aren't requiring WinDOS apps, stray from the herd.

--
"Only in the brain of [chrisv] does telemetry == spying." - DumFSck,
lying shamelessly

Joel wrote:

> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>
>> (idiocy and hate, snipped)

The idiocy is the "boo hoo we can't compete with FOSS" whine.

If the efficiency of the FOSS model makes software cheap or free,
proprietary software vendors will just have to deal with it, sorry.
Evolving markets have winners and losers.

> Well, that hasn't happened.

I agree with DumFSck that it's whacked to not understand the need for
proprietary software. It's needed. The closed-source model is simply
better for many specialized and cutting-edge applications. Money
drives priorities. Freedom includes the freedom to make and sell
"black boxes". There's nothing wrong with any of that.

--
"ONLY GuhNoo and Linux compete unfairly by giving away all their work
for free." - DumFSck, lying shamelessly

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Joel wrote:
>> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>>
>>> (idiocy and hate, snipped)
>
>The idiocy is the "boo hoo we can't compete with FOSS" whine.
>
>If the efficiency of the FOSS model makes software cheap or free,
>proprietary software vendors will just have to deal with it, sorry.
>Evolving markets have winners and losers.
>
>> Well, that hasn't happened.
>
>I agree with DumFSck that it's whacked to not understand the need for
>proprietary software. It's needed. The closed-source model is simply
>better for many specialized and cutting-edge applications. Money
>drives priorities. Freedom includes the freedom to make and sell
>"black boxes". There's nothing wrong with any of that.

I understand the need for it, people have uses for the bloated apps
like Office and Photoshop, that's fine, I had fun trying out Photoshop
for example, but at the end of the day, it's not worth continually
paying for, GIMP is all I really need, I'm not a professional
photographer. Linux gives me a system that reflects my priorities.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

vallor wrote:

> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>
>> Always release your non-commercial code to the public domain.
>
> Depends on the code.

Right. What does "non-commercial" mean? It's truly of zero worth, I
suppose why not. But by definition anything of value needs to be
protected.

Very few people (and essentially zero companies) want to develop
useful, quality code that some corporation can scoop-up and
incorporate into their product without reciprocity. Very few want to
be unpaid contributors to some corporation's product.

--
"Leave it to a bunch of lame advocates to now claim that "too much
freedom" is a bad thing.' - trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel", attacking
the GPL and its supporters

Joel wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>>I agree with DumFSck that it's whacked to not understand the need for
>>proprietary software. It's needed. The closed-source model is simply
>>better for many specialized and cutting-edge applications. Money
>>drives priorities. Freedom includes the freedom to make and sell
>>"black boxes". There's nothing wrong with any of that.
>
> I understand the need for it,

It's Stallman, and anyone who agrees with his "all software should be
Free" nonsense, who is whacked.

Even great men can be "whacked" in some ways. Take Elon Musk, for
example. IMO a great man, but what is it with the Mars nonsense? It
makes no fscking sense whatsoever. We have far greater needs for
those resources, right here on Earth. It's not as if we're debt-free
and looking from something to do with our extra money.

--
'The US Government is saying exactly the opposite of what "advocates"
claim.' - trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel"

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>>>I agree with DumFSck that it's whacked to not understand the need for
>>>proprietary software. It's needed. The closed-source model is simply
>>>better for many specialized and cutting-edge applications. Money
>>>drives priorities. Freedom includes the freedom to make and sell
>>>"black boxes". There's nothing wrong with any of that.
>>
>> I understand the need for it,
>
>It's Stallman, and anyone who agrees with his "all software should be
>Free" nonsense, who is whacked.

I have no beef with paying for software, it's just the way it's always
so bloated that bothers me, there will be shareware type apps that are
available for Windows, that are inexpensive and not bloatware, but the
major stuff like Office and Photoshop is just a drag.

>Even great men can be "whacked" in some ways. Take Elon Musk, for
>example. IMO a great man, but what is it with the Mars nonsense? It
>makes no fscking sense whatsoever. We have far greater needs for
>those resources, right here on Earth. It's not as if we're debt-free
>and looking from something to do with our extra money.

Musk is a character, not a very bright guy but ambitious, which counts
for something.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 12:04:48 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Very few people (and essentially zero companies) want to develop useful,
> quality code that some corporation can scoop-up and incorporate into
> their product without reciprocity. Very few want to be unpaid
> contributors to some corporation's product.

https://pro.arcgis.com/en/pro-app/3.1/arcpy/get-started/what-is-arcpy-.htm

Perhaps Esri contributes to the Python project. arcgis is on Pypi but it
is covered by the Esri Master License Agreement. The base is Python 3.9
with many GIS specific modules but it is useless without an Esri license.

This is the first example off the top of my head.

On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:31:55 -0400, DFS wrote:

> This is EXACTLY what Stallman wants to happen to "unethical" closed
> source software:

One of Eric Raymond's criticism of Stallman is Stallman's Talmuudic ethics
and morality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond

On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:55:22 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> To most people, Windows is indeed free since it came with their machine.
> It only costs something to people who are building a machine from
> scratch.

TANSTAAFL