'The Bottom 20% Do Almost No Work, and You Pay for Them: How the
Low-Income Bracket Drains Taxpayer Dollars'

<https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/06/bottom-20-do-almost-no-work-you-pay/>

'When you pay taxes, remember that the bottom 20% of income earners do
almost no work, do not pay taxes, and receive government aid. The next
lowest 20% pay minimal taxes but also receive government support.

Considering credits, the bottom half effectively pay about $667 per
year. In contrast, the top 1% of income earners contribute roughly 38.8%
of all federal income taxes, and the top 10% pay about 70% of the total
federal income taxes. Most of the rest is paid by the Middle-income
earners.

Households in the bottom 20% of income often pay little to no federal
income taxes due to low taxable income and tax credits such as the
Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) and the Child Tax Credit (CTC).
According to the Tax Policy Center, about 44% of U.S. households pay no
federal income tax, largely because of these credits and deductions.

Many low-income households receive transfer payments from government
programs like Medicaid, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program
(SNAP), Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), and housing
assistance.'

'In 2023, about 70.6 million Americans received benefits from programs
administered by the Social Security Administration (SSA), including
Social Security and Supplemental Security Income (SSI). Additionally,
millions more benefit from other social safety net programs. For
example, in the 2022 fiscal year, approximately 41.2 million people
received SNAP benefits.'

'There is a claim that while low-income households may not contribute
significantly to federal income taxes, they do contribute to other forms
of taxation such as payroll taxes, sales taxes, and property taxes on
their homes. However, these arguments are easily refuted.

The Social Security contributions of the low-income group are minimal
because they earn less money and work less frequently. Middle-income and
high-income groups pay more into Social Security, with the maximum
contribution occurring at an income of $168,000.'

'Additionally, low-income workers can receive Supplemental Security
Income (SSI), a needs-based program that provides cash assistance to
disabled adults and children with limited income and resources. SSI is
not dependent on work history or contributions to Social Security.

The property tax argument falls apart because the poor are less likely
to own a home. Property taxes are used to fund public schools, so people
who do not pay property tax can still send their children to schools
funded by other people’s property taxes under Title I.

A counter-argument is that renters indirectly pay property taxes through
their rent payments, which landlords use to cover property taxes.
However, in the old tenement system, there was a building owner who paid
property taxes.'

'In the new system of projects and state housing, the government is the
owner, and no property taxes are paid. Therefore, all the funding for
local schools must come from other taxpayers in other neighborhoods.

Middle- and high-income earners contribute significantly to payroll
taxes, which fund Social Security and Medicare. Self-employed
individuals pay both the employer and employee portions of these taxes,
effectively paying double.

Middle- and high-income individuals often own businesses and create
jobs, contributing to the economy and generating employment
opportunities, while also paying the employer’s share of payroll taxes.
This entrepreneurial activity supports economic growth and can lead to
increased tax revenues.'

'Another cost that taxpayers must bear is crime. Evidence shows that
higher crime rates are associated with lower-income areas. Property
crimes and other criminal activities impose significant costs on
taxpayers due to law enforcement, judicial processes, and correctional
services.

Addressing crime and its social costs involves substantial public
expenditure. However, individuals living in high-crime areas tend to pay
little or no income tax. As a result, the cost of policing these areas
falls on taxpayers in other neighborhoods, diverting money from public
services in taxpaying areas to the policing of non-paying areas.

Research from the Center for Poverty and Inequality Research at UC Davis
suggests that a significant portion of children who grow up in poverty
and receive public assistance continue to rely on these programs into
adulthood.'

'Approximately one-third to one-half of children who experience poverty
for a substantial part of their childhood remain poor as adults. A study
by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) found that welfare
receipt among parents significantly increases the likelihood of welfare
participation among their children. This intergenerational correlation
suggests that welfare use is, to some extent, a learned behavior,
perpetuating the cycle of dependency.

In short, nearly the bottom half of the population is either paying no
taxes, very little taxes, and/or receiving benefits. Every new social
program for the non-payers represents a forced transfer of wealth from
the working to the non-working and a transfer of government services
from the taxpaying to the non-taxpaying.'

John Smyth wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> <https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/06/bottom-20-do-almost-no-work-you-pay/>

The Gateway Pundit <lol>

--
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-- William Shakespeare, "A Midsummer-Night's Dream"

On 2024-06-18, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> John Smyth wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> <https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/06/bottom-20-do-almost-no-work-you-pay/>
>
> The Gateway Pundit <lol>
>
Try following the links in the article, troglodyte.

You sound like a twat knot wearing libby.
Do you style your hair in a twat knot?

<https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/latest-federal-income-tax-data-2024/>

<https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-irs-income-taxes-who-pays-the-most-and-least/>

Ooopsie, CBS?
That's a libby news outlet.

<https://www.irs.gov/statistics/soi-tax-stats-individual-income-tax-rates-and-tax-shares>

<https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/summary-composition-federal-receipts>

<https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/chartbooks/fast_facts/2023/fast_facts23.html#:~:text=70.6%20million
%20people%20received%20benefits,beneficiaries%20in%202022%20were%20women.>

<https://www.ssa.gov/news/press/factsheets/HowAreSocialSecurity.htm#:~:text=Social%20Security%20is%
20financed%20through,self%2Demployed%20pay%2012.4%20percent.&text=The%20payroll%20tax%20rates%20are,
up%20to%20a%20certain%20amount.>

<https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=158>

<https://www.alliedacademies.org/articles/the-impact-of-socioeconomic-factors-on-crime-rates-26135.
html>
https://www.alliedacademies.org/articles/the-impact-of-socioeconomic-factors-on-crime-rates-26135.
html
And many more.

--
pothead
Joe Biden is the absolute WORST President Of the U.S. ever.
Nobody else is even close. Including Jimmy Carter.
Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

><https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-irs-income-taxes-who-pays-the-most-and-least/>
>
>Ooopsie, CBS?
>That's a libby news outlet.

That is interesting information but misleading, in that it reflects
billionaires' main income taxes, not necessarily all of their assets
that would be untaxed, Chris A. might be pointing the finger
arbitrarily at the top 1%, I don't dispute that, they aren't a
fountain of revenue, but they do pay less than their fair share, by
any reasonable standard. Our system isn't optimized for the working
poor and below, and really much of the middle class, either.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 18/06/2024 23:23, pothead wrote:
> Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.

I read that he had collapsed and fallen today. Is that right?

On Jun 18, 2024 at 6:39:28 PM EDT, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>> <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-irs-income-taxes-who-pays-the-most-and-least/>
>>
>> Ooopsie, CBS?
>> That's a libby news outlet.
>
>
> That is interesting information but misleading, in that it reflects
> billionaires' main income taxes, not necessarily all of their assets
> that would be untaxed, Chris A. might be pointing the finger
> arbitrarily at the top 1%, I don't dispute that, they aren't a
> fountain of revenue, but they do pay less than their fair share, by
> any reasonable standard. Our system isn't optimized for the working
> poor and below, and really much of the middle class, either.

These facts are not "misleading". I have personally downloaded the
spreadsheets from irs.gov and done the math. This was around 2016 when I did
this.

These figures match what I saw. The top 25% pay 90% of all income taxes.

How is 25% of people paying 90% of all income taxes "not their fair share"?
That means that 75% of people are carrying just 10% of the load. Think about
that. Our system is actually VERY "optimized for the working poor and below,
and really much of the middle class". The bottom 50% are paying 2% of all
taxes.

Would you like the top 25% to be paying 100% of all taxes? How is that
"fair"?

This shows that "Middle Class Tax Relief" is a lie that is always promised by
brain dead politicians. The middle class is already paying very little.

Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>On Jun 18, 2024 at 6:39:28?PM EDT, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-irs-income-taxes-who-pays-the-most-and-least/>
>>>
>>> Ooopsie, CBS?
>>> That's a libby news outlet.
>>
>> That is interesting information but misleading, in that it reflects
>> billionaires' main income taxes, not necessarily all of their assets
>> that would be untaxed, Chris A. might be pointing the finger
>> arbitrarily at the top 1%, I don't dispute that, they aren't a
>> fountain of revenue, but they do pay less than their fair share, by
>> any reasonable standard. Our system isn't optimized for the working
>> poor and below, and really much of the middle class, either.
>
>These facts are not "misleading". I have personally downloaded the
>spreadsheets from irs.gov and done the math. This was around 2016 when I did
>this.
>
>These figures match what I saw. The top 25% pay 90% of all income taxes.
>
>How is 25% of people paying 90% of all income taxes "not their fair share"?
>That means that 75% of people are carrying just 10% of the load. Think about
>that. Our system is actually VERY "optimized for the working poor and below,
>and really much of the middle class". The bottom 50% are paying 2% of all
>taxes.
>
>Would you like the top 25% to be paying 100% of all taxes? How is that
>"fair"?
>
>This shows that "Middle Class Tax Relief" is a lie that is always promised by
>brain dead politicians. The middle class is already paying very little.

Heh, you thought you had a point, but you're missing a big piece of
this puzzle, that there are *more people* in the middle class, than in
the upper classes - the tax burden on them is high, make no mistake,
the very wealthy have ways of hiding assets that limit their tax
payments, the middle class has little means to do that. Your claims
could be true and it wouldn't contradict my basic point, that the
system benefits those at the top, uniquely.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 00:04:22 +0100, Don Quicksote
<DonQuicksote@invalid.invalid> wrote in
<ldei3mFaf29U1@mid.individual.net>:

> On 18/06/2024 23:23, pothead wrote:
>> Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.
>
> I read that he had collapsed and fallen today. Is that right?

This has FSCK-all to do with Linux!

I know you need a Big-8 group to try to get more
propagation of your bullshit -- and sure, it's funny
as hell to poke at those Linux nerds -- but if you
post to the Linux advocacy newsgroup, you might
want to adhere to the charter, or someone
might take over your thread with that commie Linux stuff!

And you don't want to be known as some kind of _commie_,
do you?

https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-readers-get-flagged-extra-surveillance

You have been warned!!!!@!

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OS: Linux 6.9.5tweaked Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"See headers for important information."

On 2024-06-18, Don Quicksote <DonQuicksote@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 18/06/2024 23:23, pothead wrote:
>> Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.
>
> I read that he had collapsed and fallen today. Is that right?

That's every day!
Joe "the Corpse" Biden in action.

<https://youtu.be/8MVZdS18NX8?si=Ck9usQpNwh2OM1QL>

Come on libbys, how can you explain this?

--
pothead
Joe Biden is the absolute WORST President Of the U.S. ever.
Nobody else is even close. Including Jimmy Carter.
Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.

>On 18/06/2024 23:23, pothead wrote:
>> Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.
>
>I read that he had collapsed and fallen today. Is that right?
>

Feeble old convict Trump is headed for prison or a mental hospital.
Anyone voting for him should be investigated for being on The Kremlin
payroll.

More Unhinged and Delusional Than Ever, Trump's Mental State Should Be
Frontpage News

Biden may appear frail at times, but at least he�s rational. The growing
evidence of Trump�s dementia and paranoia, on the other hand, poses a
potential danger to the future of America.
Robert Reich
Dec 18, 2023
robertreich.substack.com
33

On Saturday, during a campaign speech in Durham, New Hampshire, Donald
Trump invoked Vladimir Putin (of all people) as proof that he�s being
persecuted:

�Putin says that Biden�s � and this is a quote � politically motivated
persecution of his political rival is very good for Russia, because it
shows the rottenness of the American political system, which cannot pretend
to teach others about democracy.�

Some commentators see this and other Trump assertions about being
persecuted as calculated efforts to fuel his base.

But what if Trump really thinks he�s being persecuted? What if he has a
persecution complex? What if he believes his paranoid fantasies?

Trump is not facing nearly the same scrutiny for his age as is Joe Biden,
yet Trump should be � especially as to increasing signs of dementia.

Biden is sane. He�s getting major bills passed. He�s negotiating with world
leaders.

But Trump � who has a family history of dementia � is increasingly
incoherent and unhinged.

He has confused Biden with Obama so often that he�s had to put out a
statement that the slips have been intentional.

In September, Trump suggested that the way to prevent wildfires in
California�s forest lands is to keep them damp. Here are his exact words:

�They say that there�s so much water up north that I want to have the
overflow areas go into your forests and dampen your forests, because if you
dampen your forests you're not gonna have these forest fires that are
burning at levels that nobody�s ever seen.�

Hello?

He also said that under his administration, shoplifters would be subject to
extrajudicial execution.

�We will immediately stop all the pillaging and theft. Very simply, if
you rob a store, you can fully expect to be shot as you are leaving that
store.�

In October, Trump warned his supporters that Biden will lead America into
World War Two.

He has also claimed that Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed militant group, is
�very smart.� That whales are being killed by windmills. That he won all 50
states in 2020. That he defeated Barack Obama in 2016. That the outgoing
chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff should be executed. That MSNBC�s parent
company is guilty of treason, and will �pay.� And that he will only be a
dictator on �Day 1� of a new term.

The most telling evidence of Trump�s growing dementia is found in his
paranoid thirst for revenge, on which he is now centering his entire
campaign.

On November 11, he pledged to a crowd of supporters in Claremont, New
Hampshire, that:

�We will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical
left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that
lie and steal and cheat on elections and will do anything possible �
they�ll do anything, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America and
to destroy the American dream.�

Are these the words of a sane person? Or of an aging paranoid megalomaniac?
Even if it�s unclear to which category Trump belongs, shouldn�t this
question be central to the coverage of his campaign for reelection?

When I�ve asked members of the media why they�re not covering the
increasing signs of Trump�s dementia, they say it�s �old news.�

After all, back in 2017, 27 psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental
health professionals concluded in The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump that
Trump�s mental health posed a �clear and present danger� to the nation.

Members of Trump�s own Cabinet � horrified by the January 6, 2021, violence
at the Capitol and Trump's lack of urgency in stopping it � discussed
whether to invoke the the 25th Amendment to remove him from office due to
mental incompetence.

But just because Trump has shown mental instability in the past doesn�t
make his mental problems any less relevant now that he is seeking
reelection. They�re more relevant. He appears even more delusional and
unhinged than before.

If Biden�s age is fair game, why aren�t Trump�s age and apparent mental
decline?

Biden may appear frail at times, but he�s rational. The growing evidence of
Trump�s dementia and paranoia, on the other hand, poses a potential danger
to the future of America � if he�s reelected. At the least, the media
should be investigating and reporting on it.

vallor wrote:
> This has FSCK-all to do with Linux!
>

I miss IRIX.

--
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'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
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On 19/06/2024 00:43, vallor wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 00:04:22 +0100, Don Quicksote
> <DonQuicksote@invalid.invalid> wrote in
> <ldei3mFaf29U1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 18/06/2024 23:23, pothead wrote:
>>> Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.
>>
>> I read that he had collapsed and fallen today. Is that right?
>
> This has FSCK-all to do with Linux!
>
> I know you need a Big-8 group to try to get more
> propagation of your bullshit -- and sure, it's funny
> as hell to poke at those Linux nerds -- but if you
> post to the Linux advocacy newsgroup, you might
> want to adhere to the charter, or someone
> might take over your thread with that commie Linux stuff!
>
> And you don't want to be known as some kind of _commie_,
> do you?
>
> https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-readers-get-flagged-extra-surveillance
>
> You have been warned!!!!@!

*NOTED* - Thank you! 🙂

pothead wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-06-18, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> John Smyth wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> <https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/06/bottom-20-do-almost-no-work-you-pay/>
>>
>> The Gateway Pundit <lol>
>>
> Try following the links in the article, troglodyte.
>
> You sound like a twat knot wearing libby.
> Do you style your hair in a twat knot?

:-D

You funny.

Hey, fortune's talking about you:

--
You see, I consider that a man's brain originally is like a little empty
attic, and you have to stock it with such furniture as you choose. A fool
takes in all the lumber of every sort he comes across, so that the knowledge
which might be useful to him gets crowded out, ...
-- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, "A Study in Scarlet"

pothead wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-06-18, Don Quicksote <DonQuicksote@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 18/06/2024 23:23, pothead wrote:
>>> Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.
>>
>> I read that he had collapsed and fallen today. Is that right?
>
> That's every day!
> Joe "the Corpse" Biden in action.
>
> <https://youtu.be/8MVZdS18NX8?si=Ck9usQpNwh2OM1QL>
>
> Come on libbys, how can you explain this?

Fsck off.

--
Repartee is something we think of twenty-four hours too late.
-- Mark Twain

On 6/18/2024 8:38 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-06-18, Don Quicksote <DonQuicksote@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 18/06/2024 23:23, pothead wrote:
>>> Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.
>>
>> I read that he had collapsed and fallen today. Is that right?
>
> That's every day!
> Joe "the Corpse" Biden in action.
>
> <https://youtu.be/8MVZdS18NX8?si=Ck9usQpNwh2OM1QL>
>
> Come on libbys, how can you explain this?

Mostly age I would think.

Now put together a compilation of Trump's TENS OF THOUSANDS of lies and
half-truths since 2016. Add in a long history of business fraud, tax
cheating, not paying contractors, Trump University, adultery, paying
someone to take his SAT, having a ghostwriter for 'Art of the Deal',
golf cheating, draft dodging, insulting the military, falling "in love"
with Kim Jong Un, bankruptcies, insurrection/treason, etc.

Remind me: how much border wall did Mexico pay for?

"I will accept the results of this rigged election... IF I WIN!" tells
you all you need to know about that mentally-ill criminal.

On 2024-06-18, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
> On Jun 18, 2024 at 6:39:28 PM EDT, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-irs-income-taxes-who-pays-the-most-and-least/>
>>>
>>> Ooopsie, CBS?
>>> That's a libby news outlet.
>>
>>
>> That is interesting information but misleading, in that it reflects
>> billionaires' main income taxes, not necessarily all of their assets
>> that would be untaxed, Chris A. might be pointing the finger
>> arbitrarily at the top 1%, I don't dispute that, they aren't a
>> fountain of revenue, but they do pay less than their fair share, by
>> any reasonable standard. Our system isn't optimized for the working
>> poor and below, and really much of the middle class, either.
>
> These facts are not "misleading". I have personally downloaded the
> spreadsheets from irs.gov and done the math. This was around 2016 when I did
> this.
>
> These figures match what I saw. The top 25% pay 90% of all income taxes.
>
> How is 25% of people paying 90% of all income taxes "not their fair share"?
> That means that 75% of people are carrying just 10% of the load. Think about
> that. Our system is actually VERY "optimized for the working poor and below,
> and really much of the middle class". The bottom 50% are paying 2% of all
> taxes.
>
> Would you like the top 25% to be paying 100% of all taxes? How is that
> "fair"?
>
> This shows that "Middle Class Tax Relief" is a lie that is always promised by
> brain dead politicians. The middle class is already paying very little.

Agreed.
Each time I hear a politician yammering on about middle class tax relief I gag because after
hearing the same claims for decades with little to no relief I realize that it's just another lie
that politicians spew in order to get votes.

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

On 2024-06-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> pothead wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-06-18, Don Quicksote <DonQuicksote@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 18/06/2024 23:23, pothead wrote:
>>>> Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.
>>>
>>> I read that he had collapsed and fallen today. Is that right?
>>
>> That's every day!
>> Joe "the Corpse" Biden in action.
>>
>> <https://youtu.be/8MVZdS18NX8?si=Ck9usQpNwh2OM1QL>
>>
>> Come on libbys, how can you explain this?
>
> Fsck off.

Assuming you are a man, so do you have a twat knot/man bun?
If so you might have it twisted too tight because it seems to be cutting off your oxygen supply.

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

Charlie Glock wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-06-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> pothead wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-06-18, Don Quicksote <DonQuicksote@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 18/06/2024 23:23, pothead wrote:
>>>>> Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.
>>>>
>>>> I read that he had collapsed and fallen today. Is that right?
>>>
>>> That's every day!
>>> Joe "the Corpse" Biden in action.
>>>
>>> <https://youtu.be/8MVZdS18NX8?si=Ck9usQpNwh2OM1QL>
>>>
>>> Come on libbys, how can you explain this?
>>
>> Fsck off.
>
> <snip>

I repeat my request.

--
Q: How many Marxists does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: None: The light bulb contains the seeds of its own revolution.

On Jun 19, 2024 at 2:21:52 PM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
<v4vi5h$25is9$2@dont-email.me>:

> Charlie Glock wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-06-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> pothead wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-06-18, Don Quicksote <DonQuicksote@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 18/06/2024 23:23, pothead wrote:
>>>>>> Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.
>>>>>
>>>>> I read that he had collapsed and fallen today. Is that right?
>>>>
>>>> That's every day!
>>>> Joe "the Corpse" Biden in action.
>>>>
>>>> <https://youtu.be/8MVZdS18NX8?si=Ck9usQpNwh2OM1QL>
>>>>
>>>> Come on libbys, how can you explain this?
>>>
>>> Fsck off.
>>
>> <snip>
>
> I repeat my request.

With how many names?

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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> On Jun 19, 2024 at 2:21:52 PM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
> <v4vi5h$25is9$2@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Charlie Glock wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-06-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>> pothead wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-06-18, Don Quicksote <DonQuicksote@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/06/2024 23:23, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>> Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I read that he had collapsed and fallen today. Is that right?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's every day!
>>>>> Joe "the Corpse" Biden in action.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://youtu.be/8MVZdS18NX8?si=Ck9usQpNwh2OM1QL>
>>>>>
>>>>> Come on libbys, how can you explain this?
>>>>
>>>> Fsck off.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>
>> I repeat my request.
>
> With how many names?

A hella lot! :-)

--
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but a manner of saying, "Scatter your money and your attention;" but the wise
man saith, "Put all your eggs in the one basket and--WATCH THAT BASKET."
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On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:15:09 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:

>On Jun 18, 2024 at 6:39:28?PM EDT, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-irs-income-taxes-who-pays-the-most-and-least/>
>>>
>>> Ooopsie, CBS?
>>> That's a libby news outlet.
>>
>>
>> That is interesting information but misleading, in that it reflects
>> billionaires' main income taxes, not necessarily all of their assets
>> that would be untaxed, Chris A. might be pointing the finger
>> arbitrarily at the top 1%, I don't dispute that, they aren't a
>> fountain of revenue, but they do pay less than their fair share, by
>> any reasonable standard. Our system isn't optimized for the working
>> poor and below, and really much of the middle class, either.
>
>These facts are not "misleading". I have personally downloaded the
>spreadsheets from irs.gov and done the math. This was around 2016 when I did
>this.
>
>These figures match what I saw. The top 25% pay 90% of all income taxes.
>
>How is 25% of people paying 90% of all income taxes "not their fair share"?
>That means that 75% of people are carrying just 10% of the load. Think about
>that. Our system is actually VERY "optimized for the working poor and below,
>and really much of the middle class". The bottom 50% are paying 2% of all
>taxes.
>
>Would you like the top 25% to be paying 100% of all taxes? How is that
>"fair"?
>
>This shows that "Middle Class Tax Relief" is a lie that is always promised by
>brain dead politicians. The middle class is already paying very little.

Apples and oranges. He's talking about the top 1% and you're driving the discussion down
to the near middle class.

The top 1% is the topic. They do not pay their fair share of income or other taxes.
Further, they wealth holdings far exceed their numbers.

Income inequality began in the eighties. Until then, the middle class was booming.

What else happened in the eighties?

Swill

On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 19:23:48 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>>On Jun 18, 2024 at 6:39:28?PM EDT, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-irs-income-taxes-who-pays-the-most-and-least/>
>>>>
>>>> Ooopsie, CBS?
>>>> That's a libby news outlet.
>>>
>>> That is interesting information but misleading, in that it reflects
>>> billionaires' main income taxes, not necessarily all of their assets
>>> that would be untaxed, Chris A. might be pointing the finger
>>> arbitrarily at the top 1%, I don't dispute that, they aren't a
>>> fountain of revenue, but they do pay less than their fair share, by
>>> any reasonable standard. Our system isn't optimized for the working
>>> poor and below, and really much of the middle class, either.
>>
>>These facts are not "misleading". I have personally downloaded the
>>spreadsheets from irs.gov and done the math. This was around 2016 when I did
>>this.
>>
>>These figures match what I saw. The top 25% pay 90% of all income taxes.
>>
>>How is 25% of people paying 90% of all income taxes "not their fair share"?
>>That means that 75% of people are carrying just 10% of the load. Think about
>>that. Our system is actually VERY "optimized for the working poor and below,
>>and really much of the middle class". The bottom 50% are paying 2% of all
>>taxes.
>>
>>Would you like the top 25% to be paying 100% of all taxes? How is that
>>"fair"?
>>
>>This shows that "Middle Class Tax Relief" is a lie that is always promised by
>>brain dead politicians. The middle class is already paying very little.
>
>
>Heh, you thought you had a point, but you're missing a big piece of
>this puzzle, that there are *more people* in the middle class, than in
>the upper classes - the tax burden on them is high, make no mistake,
>the very wealthy have ways of hiding assets that limit their tax
>payments, the middle class has little means to do that. Your claims
>could be true and it wouldn't contradict my basic point, that the
>system benefits those at the top, uniquely.

It's not uncommon for tax law to be lobbied for that benefits only a select few taxpayers.
This is especially true at state level. The list of obscure tax breaks available to the
wealthy and landed can be mind boggling.

Personally, hiding income from the tax man via real estate holdings is the worst but at
the same time, one of the few means the middle class has to operate on par with the big
boys.

Swill

Governor Swill wrote:

>It's not uncommon for tax law to be lobbied for that benefits only a select few taxpayers.
>This is especially true at state level. The list of obscure tax breaks available to the
>wealthy and landed can be mind boggling.

Really? I was told that guys like Trump can pay zero income taxes for
18 fscking *years* because he's "smarter" than most of us.

'Course, the person who told me that is a fscking asshole...

--
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lying shamelessly

On Jun 18, 2024 at 7:23:48 PM EDT, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>> On Jun 18, 2024 at 6:39:28?PM EDT, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-irs-income-taxes-who-pays-the-most-and-least/>
>>>>
>>>> Ooopsie, CBS?
>>>> That's a libby news outlet.
>>>
>>> That is interesting information but misleading, in that it reflects
>>> billionaires' main income taxes, not necessarily all of their assets
>>> that would be untaxed, Chris A. might be pointing the finger
>>> arbitrarily at the top 1%, I don't dispute that, they aren't a
>>> fountain of revenue, but they do pay less than their fair share, by
>>> any reasonable standard. Our system isn't optimized for the working
>>> poor and below, and really much of the middle class, either.
>>
>> These facts are not "misleading". I have personally downloaded the
>> spreadsheets from irs.gov and done the math. This was around 2016 when I did
>> this.
>>
>> These figures match what I saw. The top 25% pay 90% of all income taxes.
>>
>> How is 25% of people paying 90% of all income taxes "not their fair share"?
>> That means that 75% of people are carrying just 10% of the load. Think about
>> that. Our system is actually VERY "optimized for the working poor and below,
>> and really much of the middle class". The bottom 50% are paying 2% of all
>> taxes.
>>
>> Would you like the top 25% to be paying 100% of all taxes? How is that
>> "fair"?
>>
>> This shows that "Middle Class Tax Relief" is a lie that is always promised by
>> brain dead politicians. The middle class is already paying very little.
>
>
> Heh, you thought you had a point, but you're missing a big piece of
> this puzzle, that there are *more people* in the middle class, than in
> the upper classes - the tax burden on them is high, make no mistake,
> the very wealthy have ways of hiding assets that limit their tax
> payments, the middle class has little means to do that. Your claims
> could be true and it wouldn't contradict my basic point, that the
> system benefits those at the top, uniquely.

Heh, you thought YOU had a point. Math is not your strong suit is it?

Even if "the very wealthy have ways of hiding assets that limit their tax
payments", the fact remains that 25% of the population are paying 90% of the
taxes. The fact that there are *more people* in the middle class IS MY POINT.
There are more people paying way less. Would you like it if 10% paid 100% of
the taxes? How is THAT "fair"?

The 25% is STILL paying 90%. 75% is paying the remaining 10%. Meaning that 10%
is spread out over LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of taxpayers. Thus, individual
middle class people are paying WAY LESS than the individual wealthy people,
who are paying a higher dollar amount AND a higher percentage because there
are so few of them.

The tax burden on the middle class is very low. Consider this example. There
are 100 taxpayers. There was $1,000,000 total paid. 25% paid 90% of the taxes.
That means 25 people paid $900,000 total, for an average of $36,000 each.
The remaining 75% paid $100,000 total for an average of $1,333 each. Thanks to
the small number of wealthy people, the masses pay very little.

And remember, these are averages. We don't have a "flat tax", which is a
horrible idea. This is actually a huge sliding scale. Some of those 25% may
have paid $60,000 or more. The 75% goes all the way down to 0.

Get it? These are not "claims that could true". These are facts. Deny them
only if you wish to continue to look stupid.

The system favors those in the middle and bottom. The top are in fact carrying
the load. "Middle class tax relief" is a myth. There is nothing to "relieve".

If the numbers were 50/50 - the top 50% pays 50% of the taxes and the bottom
50% pays 50% - you would have a point. When it is 25% - 90% and 75% - 10%, you
have no point.

Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:

>User-Agent: Usenapp for MacOS

This is not surprising, given your spew.

>On Jun 18, 2024 at 7:23:48?PM EDT, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>>> On Jun 18, 2024 at 6:39:28?PM EDT, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-irs-income-taxes-who-pays-the-most-and-least/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ooopsie, CBS?
>>>>> That's a libby news outlet.
>>>>
>>>> That is interesting information but misleading, in that it reflects
>>>> billionaires' main income taxes, not necessarily all of their assets
>>>> that would be untaxed, Chris A. might be pointing the finger
>>>> arbitrarily at the top 1%, I don't dispute that, they aren't a
>>>> fountain of revenue, but they do pay less than their fair share, by
>>>> any reasonable standard. Our system isn't optimized for the working
>>>> poor and below, and really much of the middle class, either.
>>>
>>> These facts are not "misleading". I have personally downloaded the
>>> spreadsheets from irs.gov and done the math. This was around 2016 when I did
>>> this.
>>>
>>> These figures match what I saw. The top 25% pay 90% of all income taxes.
>>>
>>> How is 25% of people paying 90% of all income taxes "not their fair share"?
>>> That means that 75% of people are carrying just 10% of the load. Think about
>>> that. Our system is actually VERY "optimized for the working poor and below,
>>> and really much of the middle class". The bottom 50% are paying 2% of all
>>> taxes.
>>>
>>> Would you like the top 25% to be paying 100% of all taxes? How is that
>>> "fair"?
>>>
>>> This shows that "Middle Class Tax Relief" is a lie that is always promised by
>>> brain dead politicians. The middle class is already paying very little.
>>
>> Heh, you thought you had a point, but you're missing a big piece of
>> this puzzle, that there are *more people* in the middle class, than in
>> the upper classes - the tax burden on them is high, make no mistake,
>> the very wealthy have ways of hiding assets that limit their tax
>> payments, the middle class has little means to do that. Your claims
>> could be true and it wouldn't contradict my basic point, that the
>> system benefits those at the top, uniquely.
>
>Heh, you thought YOU had a point. Math is not your strong suit is it?
>
>Even if "the very wealthy have ways of hiding assets that limit their tax
>payments", the fact remains that 25% of the population are paying 90% of the
>taxes. The fact that there are *more people* in the middle class IS MY POINT.
> There are more people paying way less. Would you like it if 10% paid 100% of
>the taxes? How is THAT "fair"?
>
>The 25% is STILL paying 90%. 75% is paying the remaining 10%. Meaning that 10%
>is spread out over LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of taxpayers. Thus, individual
>middle class people are paying WAY LESS than the individual wealthy people,
>who are paying a higher dollar amount AND a higher percentage because there
>are so few of them.
>
>The tax burden on the middle class is very low. Consider this example. There
>are 100 taxpayers. There was $1,000,000 total paid. 25% paid 90% of the taxes.
> That means 25 people paid $900,000 total, for an average of $36,000 each.
>The remaining 75% paid $100,000 total for an average of $1,333 each. Thanks to
>the small number of wealthy people, the masses pay very little.
>
>And remember, these are averages. We don't have a "flat tax", which is a
>horrible idea. This is actually a huge sliding scale. Some of those 25% may
>have paid $60,000 or more. The 75% goes all the way down to 0.
>
>Get it? These are not "claims that could true". These are facts. Deny them
>only if you wish to continue to look stupid.
>
>The system favors those in the middle and bottom. The top are in fact carrying
>the load. "Middle class tax relief" is a myth. There is nothing to "relieve".
>
>
>If the numbers were 50/50 - the top 50% pays 50% of the taxes and the bottom
>50% pays 50% - you would have a point. When it is 25% - 90% and 75% - 10%, you
>have no point.

Let's say I believe your unsourced claims of the numbers, the top 25%
includes people who are middle class, higher up to be sure, but not
billionaires. A moron like you, buying Apple hardware, would likely
fit in with that class, and have some gripe about the lower classes.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.