On 17 Jun 2024 00:04:56 GMT, vallor wrote:

> 50:11,188,719,610,782,480,504,630,258,070,757,734,324,011,354,208,865,721,592,720,336,801
>
> (I wrote a function to format the numbers.)
>

That's nice.

But in the context of math combinatorics it is also quite meaningless.

If the numeric output is 10,000 (or more) places, how will such formatting
aid the user?

Answer: It won't.

Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>On 17 Jun 2024 03:38:35 GMT, vallor wrote:
>
>> Compile time with -j48 and sources on my NAS:
>>
>> real 2371.85
>> user 16336.41
>> sys 4707.19
>
>What the flamin' fuck!
>
>Do you actually mean that it requires 40+ minutes for you
>to compile a kernel?
>
>I have been compiling kernels for years and it's always been
>about 2 minutes, at -j8, which includes all the modules.
>
>It must be the kernel configuration. I configure the kernel
>to include only the stuff I need and I especially exclude all
>that security bullshit.
>
>What is the size of your compressed kernel image? This is
>the file named "bzImage" in the kernel source tree.
>
>My bzImage, for kernel 6.9.1, is only 3154944 bytes.
>
>Note that the "bz" does not necessarily indicate that bzip2
>compression is used. The particular compression algorithm
>is set at kernel configuration. Mine uses LZMA.

Why do you guys even do this shit? My kernels are downloaded as
compiled binaries, already, generic, it doesn't hurt anything. It's
just like using Windows, but without M$'s crud bloating it. It's a
dream.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:51:03 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
<gq417jh0a5tukhqvcsr416215qdgrkorb6@4ax.com>:

> Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>>On 17 Jun 2024 03:38:35 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>
>>> Compile time with -j48 and sources on my NAS:
>>>
>>> real 2371.85 user 16336.41 sys 4707.19
>>
>>What the flamin' fuck!
>>
>>Do you actually mean that it requires 40+ minutes for you to compile a
>>kernel?
>>
>>I have been compiling kernels for years and it's always been about 2
>>minutes, at -j8, which includes all the modules.
>>
>>It must be the kernel configuration. I configure the kernel to include
>>only the stuff I need and I especially exclude all that security
>>bullshit.
>>
>>What is the size of your compressed kernel image? This is the file
>>named "bzImage" in the kernel source tree.
>>
>>My bzImage, for kernel 6.9.1, is only 3154944 bytes.
>>
>>Note that the "bz" does not necessarily indicate that bzip2 compression
>>is used. The particular compression algorithm is set at kernel
>>configuration. Mine uses LZMA.
>
>
> Why do you guys even do this shit? My kernels are downloaded as
> compiled binaries, already, generic, it doesn't hurt anything. It's
> just like using Windows, but without M$'s crud bloating it. It's a
> dream.

I like wrenching on my OS, like some people wrench on their hot rods.
Might even find a bug, in which case I can a) report it,
b) possibly with a fix.

As I've said numerous times, I build a "kitchen sink" kernel, basically
with all the modules. _ALL_ the modules, not the subset FF is building.
(I started with the Linux Mint low-latency .config several kernels ago,
and have been migrating that ever since.)

That way, if the compilation spits out a diagnostic for anything,
I'll know about it.

If I wanted to, there's a make target for "localmodconfig" which will set
up the build system to only make the modules that are loaded. But that
can leave out (say) iptables modules, which would be a pain if I went and
tried to use something new. So, I build _all_ the modules.

What I would like to do is someday figure out how to build
with -march=native . Haven't bothered yet, because my machine is already
plenty fast.

Finally, the bottleneck for building the kernel in that last run is
compiling on an NFS share...

$ ll linux-6.9.5/arch/x86/boot/bzImage
-rw-rw-r-- 1 x x 12648960 Jun 16 20:10 linux-6.9.5/arch/x86/boot/bzImage

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On 17 Jun 2024 22:14:24 GMT, vallor wrote:

>
> What I would like to do is someday figure out how to build
> with -march=native . Haven't bothered yet, because my machine is already
> plenty fast.
>

I don't think that it is possible to pass custom CFLAGS to the kernel
build.

A quick search brings this:

march is controlled by the choice in arch/x86/Kconfig.cpu
optimization level is controlled by CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_PERFORMANCE/CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_PERFORMANCE_O3/CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE
frame pointer use is controlled by CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER
stack protector is controlled by CONFIG_STACK_PROTECTOR CONFIG_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG
fcf-protection is disabled in the kernel as the kernel does not support its use either in kernel space or user space

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=270652

The best is to set all performance options during configuration, especially
the "Processor Type and Features" section.

Incidentally, to see all the options that are set with "-march=native"
just do:

gcc -march=native -E -v - </dev/null 2>&1 | grep cc1

One must wean oneself from the distro because the distro caters only
to the lowest common denominator.

On 6/16/2024 8:04 PM, vallor wrote:
>> On 6/16/2024 4:19 AM, vallor wrote:
>>>> On Jun 15, 2024 at 3:20:19 PM EDT, "Farley Flud" <ff@linux.rocks>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 14:29:04 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Write a C program to compute the subfactorial of an integer N.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody got it (as predicted).
>>>>
>>>> Because no one bothered.
>>>
>>> I actually took the opportunity to install the GMP documentation on my
>>> system, look up what a "subfactorial" is, and do an implementation that
>>> works for !N where N is 0 through 50.
>>
>> Where's your code?
>
> https://github.com/vallor/subfactorial/

100 LOC, incl a makefile and a README, copyrighted and released to the
public under the MIT license?

ha! VERY FOSS cheesy!

Though not as cheesy as Terry Telnet Porter GPLing 8 lines of leafnode
filters.

...........update_filters.sh.............
#!/bin/sh
# filename "update_filters.sh"
# This script allows the easy use and updating of
# "Homers COLA Leafnode Filters"
# http://slated.org/files/COLA-filters-20100919.tar.bz2
# whilst maintaining your own "local" COLA filters.
# It is assumed that the Leafnode config files are in
# /etc/leafnode and Homers COLA Leafnode Filters are in
# /etc/leafnode/filters-homer
# # Change "Homers COLA Leafnode Filters" in
# $DIR to suit yourself if different
# Add your own filter files as required to $DIR
# i.e "filters.local.from", and they will be processed when
# this script is run
# # Copyright Terry Porter 2010. Made available under the GNU
# General Public License V3.
# http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html

DIR=/etc/leafnode/filters-homer

for i in $DIR/filters.* ; do
cat $i | sort >$i.sorted
mv -f $i.sorted $i
done
cat $DIR/filters.* > $DIR/Filters.raw
cat $DIR/Filters.raw | sort > $DIR/../filters
xterm -geometry 82x87+0+0 -e less $DIR/../filters
...................................................

heh! Such a loon.

Always release your non-commercial code to the public domain.

On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 22:44:05 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
<17d9ec069a174a11$93819$3210899$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:

> On 17 Jun 2024 22:14:24 GMT, vallor wrote:
>
>
>> What I would like to do is someday figure out how to build with
>> -march=native . Haven't bothered yet, because my machine is already
>> plenty fast.
>>
>>
> I don't think that it is possible to pass custom CFLAGS to the kernel
> build.

Whatever, Sport.

$ rcsdiff -u Makefile
===================================================================
RCS file: RCS/Makefile,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -r1.1 Makefile
--- Makefile 2024/06/16 11:51:16 1.1
+++ Makefile 2024/06/17 23:36:50
@@ -808,7 +808,7 @@
KBUILD_CFLAGS += -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks
ifdef CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_PERFORMANCE
-KBUILD_CFLAGS += -O2
+KBUILD_CFLAGS += -O3 -march=native
KBUILD_RUSTFLAGS += -Copt-level=2
else ifdef CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE
KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Os

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On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 23:27:18 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
<6670fe94$0$989$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> On 6/16/2024 8:04 PM, vallor wrote:
>>> On 6/16/2024 4:19 AM, vallor wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 15, 2024 at 3:20:19 PM EDT, "Farley Flud" <ff@linux.rocks>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 14:29:04 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Write a C program to compute the subfactorial of an integer N.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody got it (as predicted).
>>>>>
>>>>> Because no one bothered.
>>>>
>>>> I actually took the opportunity to install the GMP documentation on
>>>> my system, look up what a "subfactorial" is, and do an implementation
>>>> that works for !N where N is 0 through 50.
>>>
>>> Where's your code?
>>
>> https://github.com/vallor/subfactorial/
>
> 100 LOC, incl a makefile and a README, copyrighted and released to the
> public under the MIT license?

Obviously, you've not set up a repo on github.

What does the README say? "needs GMP" or something like that.

It also asks you for a license. In a split-second decision,
I picked "MIT".

> ha! VERY FOSS cheesy!

Nobody cares, it's a trivial exercise.

> Always release your non-commercial code to the public domain.

Depends on the code.

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vallor wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 22:44:05 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
> <17d9ec069a174a11$93819$3210899$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:
>
>> On 17 Jun 2024 22:14:24 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>
>>
>>> What I would like to do is someday figure out how to build with
>>> -march=native . Haven't bothered yet, because my machine is already
>>> plenty fast.
>>>
>>>
>> I don't think that it is possible to pass custom CFLAGS to the kernel
>> build.
>
> Whatever, Sport.
>
> $ rcsdiff -u Makefile
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: RCS/Makefile,v
> retrieving revision 1.1
> diff -u -r1.1 Makefile
> --- Makefile 2024/06/16 11:51:16 1.1
> +++ Makefile 2024/06/17 23:36:50
> @@ -808,7 +808,7 @@
> KBUILD_CFLAGS += -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks
>
> ifdef CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_PERFORMANCE
> -KBUILD_CFLAGS += -O2
> +KBUILD_CFLAGS += -O3 -march=native
> KBUILD_RUSTFLAGS += -Copt-level=2
> else ifdef CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE
> KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Os
>

off topic

vallor wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 23:27:18 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
> <6670fe94$0$989$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> On 6/16/2024 8:04 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>> On 6/16/2024 4:19 AM, vallor wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2024 at 3:20:19 PM EDT, "Farley Flud" <ff@linux.rocks>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 14:29:04 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Write a C program to compute the subfactorial of an integer N.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nobody got it (as predicted).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because no one bothered.
>>>>>
>>>>> I actually took the opportunity to install the GMP documentation on
>>>>> my system, look up what a "subfactorial" is, and do an implementation
>>>>> that works for !N where N is 0 through 50.
>>>>
>>>> Where's your code?
>>>
>>> https://github.com/vallor/subfactorial/
>>
>> 100 LOC, incl a makefile and a README, copyrighted and released to the
>> public under the MIT license?
>
> Obviously, you've not set up a repo on github.
>
> What does the README say? "needs GMP" or something like that.
>
> It also asks you for a license. In a split-second decision,
> I picked "MIT".
>
>> ha! VERY FOSS cheesy!
>
> Nobody cares, it's a trivial exercise.
>
>> Always release your non-commercial code to the public domain.
>
> Depends on the code.
>
off topic

On 18 Jun 2024 22:00:28 GMT, vallor wrote:

>
> Obviously, you've not set up a repo on github.
>
> What does the README say? "needs GMP" or something like that.
>
> It also asks you for a license. In a split-second decision,
> I picked "MIT".
>

That's no surprise with the Microslop-owned github.

The author of the code should always control how it is
published, and not the repository.

It is recommended to use gitlab instead of github but I wonder
if the practice there is any different.

But anyone serious about presenting FOSS code should simply
have his own web site.

On 18 Jun 2024 21:55:47 GMT, vallor wrote:

>
> ifdef CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_PERFORMANCE
> -KBUILD_CFLAGS += -O2
> +KBUILD_CFLAGS += -O3 -march=native
>

That's not passing flags that's directly modifying the source
code, and it may have side effects (I don't know).

AFAIK, the kernel build has no method for the user to pass
custom gcc flags.

If I am wrong, then provide a link that describes the process.

On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
<jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

> vallor wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 22:44:05 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote
>> in <17d9ec069a174a11$93819$3210899$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:
>>
>>> On 17 Jun 2024 22:14:24 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> What I would like to do is someday figure out how to build with
>>>> -march=native . Haven't bothered yet, because my machine is already
>>>> plenty fast.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't think that it is possible to pass custom CFLAGS to the kernel
>>> build.
>>
>> Whatever, Sport.
>>
>> $ rcsdiff -u Makefile
>> ===================================================================
>> RCS file: RCS/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 Makefile
>> --- Makefile 2024/06/16 11:51:16 1.1 +++ Makefile 2024/06/17
23:36:50
>> @@ -808,7 +808,7 @@
>> KBUILD_CFLAGS += -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks
>>
>> ifdef CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_PERFORMANCE
>> -KBUILD_CFLAGS += -O2 +KBUILD_CFLAGS += -O3 -march=native
>> KBUILD_RUSTFLAGS += -Copt-level=2 else ifdef
>> CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Os
>>
>>
> off topic

nope

Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
><jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>
>> off topic
>
>nope
>
>Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).

Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.

--
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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 18 Jun 2024 22:00:28 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote in
> What does the README say? "needs GMP" or something like that.
>
> It also asks you for a license. In a split-second decision,
> I picked "MIT".
>
>> ha! VERY FOSS cheesy!
>
> Nobody cares, it's a trivial exercise.

But since someone might care about the formatter function,
I made it return a free()-able memory handle.

https://github.com/vallor/subfactorial/blob/main/format_longnum.c

(And this time, it _is_ off-topic, since it is portable C.)

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On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:46 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
<17da3a5ed089d01f$96152$3210899$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:

> On 18 Jun 2024 21:55:47 GMT, vallor wrote:
>
>>
>> ifdef CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_PERFORMANCE
>> -KBUILD_CFLAGS += -O2
>> +KBUILD_CFLAGS += -O3 -march=native
>>
>
> That's not passing flags that's directly modifying the source
> code, and it may have side effects (I don't know).

I don't know either. That's why I decided to try it and see.

> AFAIK, the kernel build has no method for the user to pass
> custom gcc flags.

Not for distro lackeys like you. Those of us comfortable
with the build system, which uses make(1), can tweak
it all we like.

You _should_ know make(1) if you're the programmer
you say you are -- or are you stuck with your distro,
distro-lackey?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

> If I am wrong, then provide a link that describes the process.

Your question is irrelevant to REAL PROGRAMMERS, distro lackey!

Ha ha ha ha!

ObLinux:
DISTRO-LACKEY(7) Miscellaneous Information Manual DISTRO-LACKEY(7)

NAME
distro-lackey - distro-lackey information

SYNOPSYS
distro-lackies are the distro-bound people who pollute the
Net with cries of "distro-lackey".

DESCRIPTION
distro-lackies are the distro-bound people who pollute the
Net with cries of "distro-lackey".

NEWSGROUPS
The one known as "Furled Fart" can be found on
comp.os.linux.advocacy.

DISTRO-LACKEY joke-docs DISTRO-LACKEY(7)

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vallor wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>
>> vallor wrote:
>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 22:44:05 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote
>>> in <17d9ec069a174a11$93819$3210899$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:
>>>
>>>> On 17 Jun 2024 22:14:24 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What I would like to do is someday figure out how to build with
>>>>> -march=native . Haven't bothered yet, because my machine is already
>>>>> plenty fast.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I don't think that it is possible to pass custom CFLAGS to the kernel
>>>> build.
>>>
>>> Whatever, Sport.
>>>
>>> $ rcsdiff -u Makefile
>>> ===================================================================
>>> RCS file: RCS/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 Makefile
>>> --- Makefile 2024/06/16 11:51:16 1.1 +++ Makefile 2024/06/17
> 23:36:50
>>> @@ -808,7 +808,7 @@
>>> KBUILD_CFLAGS += -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks
>>>
>>> ifdef CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_PERFORMANCE
>>> -KBUILD_CFLAGS += -O2 +KBUILD_CFLAGS += -O3 -march=native
>>> KBUILD_RUSTFLAGS += -Copt-level=2 else ifdef
>>> CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Os
>>>
>>>
>> off topic
>
> nope
>
> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>
too late you are

Joel wrote:
> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>
>>> off topic
>>
>> nope
>>
>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>
>
> Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
> shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.
>
i use whatever is free i don't pay to do this

On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 18:04:38 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
<1eydnaTICYM6s-_7nZ2dnZfqn_QAAAAA@giganews.com>:

> Joel wrote:
>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>
>>>> off topic
>>>
>>> nope
>>>
>>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>>
>>
>> Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
>> shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.
>>
> i use whatever is free i don't pay to do this

The price of your OS was bundled with your new computer.

The price of Linux is whatever you pay for it, usually the
low low low price of FREE.

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% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>Joel wrote:
>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>
>>>> off topic
>>>
>>> nope
>>>
>>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>>
>> Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
>> shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.
>>
>i use whatever is free i don't pay to do this

You apparently mean you use what came with your device, which appears
to be Win10 from your headers. Nothing wrong with that, but a little
of the price of your device went to M$, for the included OS.

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Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 18:04:38 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
><1eydnaTICYM6s-_7nZ2dnZfqn_QAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>> Joel wrote:
>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> off topic
>>>>
>>>> nope
>>>>
>>>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>>>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>>>
>>> Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
>>> shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.
>>>
>> i use whatever is free i don't pay to do this
>
>The price of your OS was bundled with your new computer.
>
>The price of Linux is whatever you pay for it, usually the
>low low low price of FREE.

Cue DFS suggesting it's an unfair competitive practice to give away
software.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

vallor wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 18:04:38 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
> <1eydnaTICYM6s-_7nZ2dnZfqn_QAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>
>> Joel wrote:
>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> off topic
>>>>
>>>> nope
>>>>
>>>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>>>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>>>
>>>
>>> Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
>>> shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.
>>>
>> i use whatever is free i don't pay to do this
>
> The price of your OS was bundled with your new computer.
>
> The price of Linux is whatever you pay for it, usually the
> low low low price of FREE.
>
i don't have a computer i wouldn't lower myself ,
i wouldn't own one i just use them

Joel wrote:
> % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joel wrote:
>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> off topic
>>>>
>>>> nope
>>>>
>>>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>>>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>>>
>>> Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
>>> shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.
>>>
>> i use whatever is free i don't pay to do this
>
>
> You apparently mean you use what came with your device, which appears
> to be Win10 from your headers. Nothing wrong with that, but a little
> of the price of your device went to M$, for the included OS.
>
this is not my device i didn't pay for it ,
i wouldn't be caught dead buying one of these

On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 18:56:09 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
<SmidnWTg2_8np-_7nZ2dnZfqn_EAAAAA@giganews.com>:

> Joel wrote:
>> % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Joel wrote:
>>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> off topic
>>>>>
>>>>> nope
>>>>>
>>>>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>>>>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>>>>
>>>> Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
>>>> shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.
>>>>
>>> i use whatever is free i don't pay to do this
>>
>>
>> You apparently mean you use what came with your device, which appears
>> to be Win10 from your headers. Nothing wrong with that, but a little
>> of the price of your device went to M$, for the included OS.
>>
> this is not my device i didn't pay for it ,
> i wouldn't be caught dead buying one of these

Who bought it?

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vallor wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 18:56:09 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
> <SmidnWTg2_8np-_7nZ2dnZfqn_EAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>
>> Joel wrote:
>>> % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Joel wrote:
>>>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> off topic
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nope
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>>>>>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>>>>>
>>>>> Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
>>>>> shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.
>>>>>
>>>> i use whatever is free i don't pay to do this
>>>
>>>
>>> You apparently mean you use what came with your device, which appears
>>> to be Win10 from your headers. Nothing wrong with that, but a little
>>> of the price of your device went to M$, for the included OS.
>>>
>> this is not my device i didn't pay for it ,
>> i wouldn't be caught dead buying one of these
>
> Who bought it?
>
i don't know i wasn't here for that

On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 19:35:03 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
<2MycnSahEslK3u_7nZ2dnZfqnPYAAAAA@giganews.com>:

> vallor wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 18:56:09 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <SmidnWTg2_8np-_7nZ2dnZfqn_EAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>>
>>> Joel wrote:
>>>> % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Joel wrote:
>>>>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:11:50 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> <jAednegtV726m-_7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> off topic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nope
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Posting with a Linux optimized beyond the defaults
>>>>>>> is very on-topic, since you CAN'T DO THAT WITH WINDERS(!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using Winblows is a sign of ignorance, not even being aware of how
>>>>>> shitty it is, unaware of the alternative.
>>>>>>
>>>>> i use whatever is free i don't pay to do this
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You apparently mean you use what came with your device, which appears
>>>> to be Win10 from your headers. Nothing wrong with that, but a little
>>>> of the price of your device went to M$, for the included OS.
>>>>
>>> this is not my device i didn't pay for it ,
>>> i wouldn't be caught dead buying one of these
>>
>> Who bought it?
>>
> i don't know i wasn't here for that

did...did it "fall off a truck"?

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