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* Another FOSS GemFarley Flud
+- Re: Another FOSS GemJoel
+* Re: Another piece of FOSS junkDFS
|+* Re: Another piece of FOSS junkLawrence D'Oliveiro
||+* Re: Another piece of FOSS junkDFS
|||`- Re: Another piece of FOSS junkLawrence D'Oliveiro
||`- Re: Another piece of FOSS junkFarley Flud
|`* Re: Another piece of FOSS junkJoel
| `* Re: Another piece of FOSS junkDFS
|  `* Re: Another piece of FOSS junkJoel
|   `* Re: Another piece of FOSS junkrbowman
|    `* Re: Another piece of FOSS junkStéphane CARPENTIER
|     +- Re: Another piece of FOSS junkChris Ahlstrom
|     `* Re: Another piece of FOSS junkLawrence D'Oliveiro
|      `* Re: Another piece of FOSS junkStéphane CARPENTIER
|       `* Re: Another piece of FOSS junkLawrence D'Oliveiro
|        `* Re: Another piece of FOSS junkStéphane CARPENTIER
|         `* Re: Another piece of FOSS junkcandycanearter07
|          `* Re: Another piece of FOSS junkStéphane CARPENTIER
|           +- Re: Another piece of FOSS junkChris Ahlstrom
|           `- Re: Another piece of FOSS junkcandycanearter07
+* Re: Another FOSS GemChris Ahlstrom
|+- Re: Another FOSS GemJoel
|+* Re: Another FOSS GemAndrzej Matuch
||+* Re: Another FOSS GemChris Ahlstrom
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||| `* Re: Another FOSS GemSebastian
|||  +* Re: Another FOSS GemStéphane CARPENTIER
|||  |`* Re: Another FOSS GemAndrzej Matuch
|||  | `* Re: Another FOSS GemDFS
|||  |  `* Re: Another FOSS GemNux Vomica
|||  |   `- Re: Another FOSS GemDFS
|||  +- Re: Another FOSS GemAndrzej Matuch
|||  `* Re: Anti-FOSS Lunacy (was Re: Another FOSS Gem)Lawrence D'Oliveiro
|||   `* Re: Anti-FOSS Lunacy (was Re: Another FOSS Gem)Stéphane CARPENTIER
|||    +* Re: Anti-FOSS Lunacy (was Re: Another FOSS Gem)rbowman
|||    |`* Re: Anti-FOSS Lunacy (was Re: Another FOSS Gem)Joel
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|||    |  +* Re: Anti-FOSS Lunacy (was Re: Another FOSS Gem)Chris Ahlstrom
|||    |  |`* Re: Anti-FOSS Lunacy (was Re: Another FOSS Gem)rbowman
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|||    |  `- Re: Anti-FOSS Lunacy (was Re: Another FOSS Gem)Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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Subject: Re: Another FOSS Gem
From: rbowman
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 23:06 UTC
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Subject: Re: Another FOSS Gem
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On Thu, 30 May 2024 09:15:00 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 5/30/2024 3:21 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On 24 May 2024 17:05:11 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>
>>> Red Hat is obsolete by design. Everything provided by Red Hat is old.
>
> I disagree with Stephane: RH isn't old or obsolete.

https://www.unixsysadmin.com/red-hat-enterprise-linux-9-4-is-now-
available/

The kernel isn't cutting edge but looking at the change logs that probably
doesn't make a different. 9.0 used 5.14 too. What changes between minor
releases is something only RH knows.

Not obsolete in terms of getting the job done, not the latest either.

Subject: Re: Another FOSS Gem
From: RonB
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Subject: Re: Another FOSS Gem
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On 2024-05-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 May 2024 07:00:12 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>On 24 May 2024 17:05:11 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>
>>>> Red Hat is obsolete by design. Everything provided by Red Hat is old.
>>>
>>>I think you are confusing RHEL with Fedora.
>>
>>
>> I actually didn't like how Fedora was testing such new code, too many
>> updates requiring rebooting, otherwise a nice distro. But Mint only has
>> to reboot for a kernel update.
>
> I'm running the KDE spin and I don't think Plasma 6 was quite ready for
> prime time. I should have waited a few months before moving to 40. There
> are a lot of kernel updates but you don't have to reboot unless you want
> to run the latest.
>
> RedHat plays it close to the vest. 8.x is out of full support tomorrow but
> I don't know how much the minor versions of 9 pull from the upstream.

I still haven't updated to 40. But I will... eventually. (It may be at 41 by
then, though.)

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

Subject: Re: Another FOSS Gem
From: rbowman
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On Fri, 31 May 2024 03:33:57 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I still haven't updated to 40. But I will... eventually. (It may be at
> 41 by then, though.)

I'm not rushing into Ubuntu 24.04. I think Aug 15 is when 22.04 will
start pushing the upgrade, or I should say 'gently reminding' compared to
MS.

Subject: Re: Another FOSS Gem
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On 2024-05-31, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 31 May 2024 03:33:57 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>
>> I still haven't updated to 40. But I will... eventually. (It may be at
>> 41 by then, though.)
>
> I'm not rushing into Ubuntu 24.04. I think Aug 15 is when 22.04 will
> start pushing the upgrade, or I should say 'gently reminding' compared to
> MS.

I didn't even know Ubuntu had gone to 24.04. I guess that means Linux Mint
22 will be arriving in December.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

Subject: Re: Another piece of FOSS junk
From: Stéphane CARPENTIER
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Subject: Re: Another piece of FOSS junk
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Le 29-05-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
> On 24 May 2024 17:07:45 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Le 20-05-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>>
>>> On 19 May 2024 10:54:06 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>
>>>> If the purpose is only to look at an image, feh is great. It's really
>>>> fast. When I need to use Gimp, I can see how Gimp is very slow to
>>>> launch compared with feh.
>>>
>>> GIMP has some nice analysis tools, though.
>>
>> To analyse an image is not to just look at it.
>
> You do need to be able to look at it in order to perform a proper
> analysis.

Yes, but you don't need to perform a proper analysis if you just want to
look at it. So, if you want to just look at your image feh is many times
faster than gimp to launch and well enough. Now, if you want to edit or
to do an analysis, feh is useless. It's not the same purpose, so you can
use different tools.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
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Subject: Re: Anti-FOSS Lunacy (was Re: Another FOSS Gem)
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Le 29-05-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
> On 24 May 2024 17:13:32 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Le 22-05-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>>
>>> On Sun, 19 May 2024 08:14:49 -0000 (UTC), Sebastian wrote:
>>>
>>>> Red Hat is the main company in the Linux community ...
>>>
>>> Red Hat is only a small part of the Linux community. Consider that most
>>> distros are Debian, not Red Hat, derivatives.
>>
>> On the Desktop, yes, Debian and its derivatives are the major part of
>> the community. In the industry, it's not the same, Red Hat is very
>> present.
>
> So how exactly would a business model work, where Red Hat is forcing other
> distros to adopt its technologies, for free?

I don't understand your question. And I don't understand the relation
between your question and my message.

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Subject: Re: Another FOSS Gem
From: Stéphane CARPENTIER
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Le 30-05-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
> On 24 May 2024 17:05:11 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Red Hat is obsolete by design. Everything provided by Red Hat is old.
>
> I think you are confusing RHEL with Fedora.

Nope. I didn't look at it since a long time, but I never heard things
had changed. Last time I checked a server compliant with Red Hat comes
with an old kernel, an old version of Java, an old version of postgres,
you name it. Everything was old. I don't care about the version of the
package manager and utilities for sysadmins. I care about what's
deployed on the servers to answer end-users need.

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Subject: Re: Another piece of FOSS junk
From: candycanearter07
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Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote at 19:16 this Friday (GMT):
> Le 29-05-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>> On 24 May 2024 17:07:45 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>
>>> Le 20-05-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> On 19 May 2024 10:54:06 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If the purpose is only to look at an image, feh is great. It's really
>>>>> fast. When I need to use Gimp, I can see how Gimp is very slow to
>>>>> launch compared with feh.
>>>>
>>>> GIMP has some nice analysis tools, though.
>>>
>>> To analyse an image is not to just look at it.
>>
>> You do need to be able to look at it in order to perform a proper
>> analysis.
>
> Yes, but you don't need to perform a proper analysis if you just want to
> look at it. So, if you want to just look at your image feh is many times
> faster than gimp to launch and well enough. Now, if you want to edit or
> to do an analysis, feh is useless. It's not the same purpose, so you can
> use different tools.

Imagemagick can analyze images and (technically) act as a basic viewer
too.
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Subject: Re: Another piece of FOSS junk
From: Stéphane CARPENTIER
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Le 02-06-2024, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote at 19:16 this Friday (GMT):
>>
>> Yes, but you don't need to perform a proper analysis if you just want to
>> look at it. So, if you want to just look at your image feh is many times
>> faster than gimp to launch and well enough. Now, if you want to edit or
>> to do an analysis, feh is useless. It's not the same purpose, so you can
>> use different tools.
>
> Imagemagick can analyze images

It's great do resize or add some information on many images at the same
time, yes.

> and (technically) act as a basic viewer too.

I never heard about it. I'm not that sure it's as easy/comfortable to
use as feh.

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Subject: Re: Another piece of FOSS junk
From: Chris Ahlstrom
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Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Le 02-06-2024, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> a écrit :
>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote at 19:16 this Friday (GMT):
>>>
>>> Yes, but you don't need to perform a proper analysis if you just want to
>>> look at it. So, if you want to just look at your image feh is many times
>>> faster than gimp to launch and well enough. Now, if you want to edit or
>>> to do an analysis, feh is useless. It's not the same purpose, so you can
>>> use different tools.
>>
>> Imagemagick can analyze images
>
> It's great do resize or add some information on many images at the same
> time, yes.
>
>> and (technically) act as a basic viewer too.

Easy peasy: "convert *.jpeg my_forms.pdf"

> I never heard about it. I'm not that sure it's as easy/comfortable to
> use as feh.

Feh is cool. I use it on Fluxbox to change/set the wallpaper on all connected
monitors.

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Subject: Re: Another piece of FOSS junk
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Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote at 13:36 this Friday (GMT):
> Le 02-06-2024, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> a écrit :
>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote at 19:16 this Friday (GMT):
>>>
>>> Yes, but you don't need to perform a proper analysis if you just want to
>>> look at it. So, if you want to just look at your image feh is many times
>>> faster than gimp to launch and well enough. Now, if you want to edit or
>>> to do an analysis, feh is useless. It's not the same purpose, so you can
>>> use different tools.
>>
>> Imagemagick can analyze images
>
> It's great do resize or add some information on many images at the same
> time, yes.

The swiss army knife of image tools :D

>> and (technically) act as a basic viewer too.
>
> I never heard about it. I'm not that sure it's as easy/comfortable to
> use as feh.

Yeah, absolutely not. The UI is quite confusing.
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