On 5/1/2024 5:32 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>> you don't know what you're giving up by
>>> clinging to Windows.
>>
>> What do you think I'm "giving up"?
>
>
> Independence. Simplicity. Elegance. Power. I feel Mint Cinnamon is
> an enhancement, not a sacrifice of features.

Independence:
You're no more independent of a distro maker than I am of Microsoft.

Simplicity:
ie fewer features in Linux.

But the simplicity of 'sudo apt install package' cannot be beat.
They're trying with chocolatey.org:
"There are 10117 Stable Community Maintained Packages"

Elegance:
heh! You had balls on your chin when you typed that. I HATE that
weenie word.

Power:
http://www.auditiait.es/en/list-of-commands-msc/

Linux hobbyware can't compete

On Fri, 3 May 2024 15:43:30 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Power: http://www.auditiait.es/en/list-of-commands-msc/
>
> Linux hobbyware can't compete
>

Do you know how to use any of them?

To reclaim the thread header:

Lately when UPS delivers a package they take a photo and Amazon emails it
with a delivery notice. My 4 channel KVM switch arrived today. The only
problem the photo wasn't of my frigging front door. It was a closeup but I
could get enough context to figure out whose front door it was.

Even better they hid the small parcel behind an old electric heater
carton. My neighbor might have noticed it sometime next month, maybe. Is
UPS doing DEI these days?

rBowman:
> [he] hid the small parcel behind an old electric heater carton.
> My neighbor might have noticed it sometime next month, maybe.
> Is UPS doing DEI these days?

Chanting "Death to America" is the only job a college kid can get these days;
at least it pays well.

The harbor Captain who destroyed the Baltimore bridge
was probably a PantyhoseWearing Ethiopian dude who can"t speak English.

Le 03-05-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
> On 5/1/2024 5:32 PM, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> you don't know what you're giving up by
>>>> clinging to Windows.
>>>
>>> What do you think I'm "giving up"?
>>
>>
>> Independence. Simplicity. Elegance. Power. I feel Mint Cinnamon is
>> an enhancement, not a sacrifice of features.
>
> Independence:
> You're no more independent of a distro maker than I am of Microsoft.

For him, I don't know, but for me you are wrong. With Windows, you have
to use it for everything, from the boot to the display of your
applications. With Linux, I can choose the way it boots, the way it
manages the sound, the way it displays the application. I mean, I can
change the Window Manager at will, when with Windows, you can only add
another one on top of the one provided by Windows. I'm not even sure you
can remove Edge (a few year ago, it was impossible to remove IE without
breaking your system).

For the need to provide an account to use Microsoft products, you are
clearly more dependant of Microsoft than me on my distro maker. I can
change distro anytime without changing the way I'm using Linux.

> Simplicity:
> ie fewer features in Linux.

In fact thirty years ago, using Linux was very difficult to use, you
needed to do everything with the command line and a lot of other things,
while very powerful, not user friendly. Now, things have changed, you
still can use the terminal to have full power, but you can keep it
simple and avoid the terminal for a day to day use.

> But the simplicity of 'sudo apt install package' cannot be beat.

You can use a graphical interface to update you ubuntu/debian/whatever
based on apt manager. There are two very interesting things about the
'sudo apt install package' you don't have with graphical package
managers.

The first one is, on a website it's easier to provide you the command which
will install your package (only one line to display) and it's easier for
you to copy/past it in your terminal. With a graphical interface, you
need to have the same as the one used by the writer of the web page. And
then, you have to struggle in the menues if you need some options.

The second one, it's easy to script, or to do an alias with it, to provide
you your preferred way to install things.

> Power:
> http://www.auditiait.es/en/list-of-commands-msc/
>
> Linux hobbyware can't compete

I heard Windows powershell was pretty good, but I heard it was not as
good as bash.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>>> you don't know what you're giving up by
>>>> clinging to Windows.
>>>
>>> What do you think I'm "giving up"?
>>
>> Independence. Simplicity. Elegance. Power. I feel Mint Cinnamon is
>> an enhancement, not a sacrifice of features.
>
>Independence:
>You're no more independent of a distro maker than I am of Microsoft.

"A distro maker" isn't M$.

>Simplicity:
>ie fewer features in Linux.

Winblows has features that are superfluous.

>But the simplicity of 'sudo apt install package' cannot be beat.
>They're trying with chocolatey.org:
>"There are 10117 Stable Community Maintained Packages"
>
>Elegance:
>heh! You had balls on your chin when you typed that. I HATE that
>weenie word.

It's better than bloat in Windows.

>Power:
>http://www.auditiait.es/en/list-of-commands-msc/
>
>Linux hobbyware can't compete

Not even sure what you're trying to insinuate, there.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

>I heard Windows powershell was pretty good, but I heard it was not as
>good as bash.

Depends what you want to utilize in PowerShell, it has some dimensions
that are impressive but unique to it, the expansion on the NT/CMD
shell itself isn't as good as a Unix shell/bash. Then again, just to
use SSH, the Win shell isn't any different than if I were to do it
right now, there are some areas where M$ is basically identical
(including ultimately the core of the OS, but I digress).

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Le 04-05-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> you don't know what you're giving up by
>>>>> clinging to Windows.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think I'm "giving up"?
>>>
>>> Independence. Simplicity. Elegance. Power. I feel Mint Cinnamon is
>>> an enhancement, not a sacrifice of features.
>>
>>Independence:
>>You're no more independent of a distro maker than I am of Microsoft.
>
> "A distro maker" isn't M$.

Doesn't matter. Changing your master isn't a way to be independent.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>Le 04-05-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> you don't know what you're giving up by
>>>>>> clinging to Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think I'm "giving up"?
>>>>
>>>> Independence. Simplicity. Elegance. Power. I feel Mint Cinnamon is
>>>> an enhancement, not a sacrifice of features.
>>>
>>>Independence:
>>>You're no more independent of a distro maker than I am of Microsoft.
>>
>> "A distro maker" isn't M$.
>
>Doesn't matter. Changing your master isn't a way to be independent.

OK, Wintroll, suck DFS's cock, then, upgrade to Win11. I'm sure
you'll love it.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 5/5/2024 2:34 PM, Joel wrote:
> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>> Le 04-05-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> you don't know what you're giving up by
>>>>>>> clinging to Windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think I'm "giving up"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Independence. Simplicity. Elegance. Power. I feel Mint Cinnamon is
>>>>> an enhancement, not a sacrifice of features.
>>>>
>>>> Independence:
>>>> You're no more independent of a distro maker than I am of Microsoft.
>>>
>>> "A distro maker" isn't M$.
>>
>> Doesn't matter. Changing your master isn't a way to be independent.
>
>
> OK, Wintroll, suck DFS's cock, then, upgrade to Win11. I'm sure
> you'll love it.

Drinking again? Stéphane is by no means a Wintroll.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 5/5/2024 2:34 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>> Le 04-05-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> you don't know what you're giving up by
>>>>>>>> clinging to Windows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think I'm "giving up"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Independence. Simplicity. Elegance. Power. I feel Mint Cinnamon is
>>>>>> an enhancement, not a sacrifice of features.
>>>>>
>>>>> Independence:
>>>>> You're no more independent of a distro maker than I am of Microsoft.
>>>>
>>>> "A distro maker" isn't M$.
>>>
>>> Doesn't matter. Changing your master isn't a way to be independent.
>>
>> OK, Wintroll, suck DFS's cock, then, upgrade to Win11. I'm sure
>> you'll love it.
>
>Drinking again? Stéphane is by no means a Wintroll.

Was he drinking, when he called Mint "my master"?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 5/5/24 7:31 PM, DFS wrote:
> On 5/5/2024 2:34 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>> Le 04-05-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> you don't know what you're giving up by
>>>>>>>> clinging to Windows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think I'm "giving up"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Independence.  Simplicity.  Elegance.  Power.  I feel Mint
>>>>>> Cinnamon is
>>>>>> an enhancement, not a sacrifice of features.
>>>>>
>>>>> Independence:
>>>>> You're no more independent of a distro maker than I am of Microsoft.
>>>>
>>>> "A distro maker" isn't M$.
>>>
>>> Doesn't matter. Changing your master isn't a way to be independent.
>>
>>
>> OK, Wintroll, suck DFS's cock, then, upgrade to Win11.  I'm sure
>> you'll love it.
>
>
> Drinking again?  Stéphane is by no means a Wintroll.
>

I'm still wondering just what the whole issue is with Win11.
Is it merely that one is pushed into registering?

In any event, I cranked up my Win11 box yesterday and let it go through
some updates, a security scan, and to check which version of MS-Office
it currently has running (got an email for a sale on Office 2021 for $49
that was expiring at midnight).

Perhaps I should finally get back to dabbling with MS-Access again, but
in any event, its all current & ready to go if/when the mood hits me.

-hh

On 5/5/2024 7:41 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 5/5/2024 2:34 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>>> Le 04-05-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you don't know what you're giving up by
>>>>>>>>> clinging to Windows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you think I'm "giving up"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Independence. Simplicity. Elegance. Power. I feel Mint Cinnamon is
>>>>>>> an enhancement, not a sacrifice of features.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Independence:
>>>>>> You're no more independent of a distro maker than I am of Microsoft.
>>>>>
>>>>> "A distro maker" isn't M$.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't matter. Changing your master isn't a way to be independent.
>>>
>>> OK, Wintroll, suck DFS's cock, then, upgrade to Win11. I'm sure
>>> you'll love it.
>>
>> Drinking again? Stéphane is by no means a Wintroll.
>
>
> Was he drinking, when he called Mint "my master"?

For a while now, you have sounded like a proud slave of Linux Mint.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> Was he drinking, when he called Mint "my master"?
>
>For a while now, you have sounded like a proud slave of Linux Mint.

I was not a slave of Windows, much less Mint. That's hardly the
standard by which I compare them, since in truth there's a lot more
similarity here than not. It's computer software and fairly
controllable. When I talk independence from Microsoft I mean that
they are fundamentally different from a free and open source OS.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Mon, 6 May 2024 09:37:39 -0400, -hh wrote:

> Perhaps I should finally get back to dabbling with MS-Access again, but
> in any event, its all current & ready to go if/when the mood hits me.

You might want to dabble with SQL Express instead.

On 5/6/2024 1:37 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>> Was he drinking, when he called Mint "my master"?
>>
>> For a while now, you have sounded like a proud slave of Linux Mint.
>
>
> I was not a slave of Windows, much less Mint. That's hardly the
> standard by which I compare them, since in truth there's a lot more
> similarity here than not. It's computer software and fairly
> controllable. When I talk independence from Microsoft I mean that
> they are fundamentally different from a free and open source OS.

Unless you're putting together Linux From Scratch, you're a slave to the
distro makers. So am I (Windows is a distro).

On 5/6/2024 9:37 AM, -hh wrote:
> On 5/5/24 7:31 PM, DFS wrote:
>> On 5/5/2024 2:34 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>>> Le 04-05-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you don't know what you're giving up by
>>>>>>>>> clinging to Windows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you think I'm "giving up"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Independence.  Simplicity.  Elegance.  Power.  I feel Mint
>>>>>>> Cinnamon is
>>>>>>> an enhancement, not a sacrifice of features.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Independence:
>>>>>> You're no more independent of a distro maker than I am of Microsoft.
>>>>>
>>>>> "A distro maker" isn't M$.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't matter. Changing your master isn't a way to be independent.
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, Wintroll, suck DFS's cock, then, upgrade to Win11.  I'm sure
>>> you'll love it.
>>
>>
>> Drinking again?  Stéphane is by no means a Wintroll.
>>
>
> I'm still wondering just what the whole issue is with Win11.
> Is it merely that one is pushed into registering?

It's not perfect, and it costs a little bit of money. That's it.

> In any event, I cranked up my Win11 box yesterday and let it go through
> some updates, a security scan, and to check which version of MS-Office
> it currently has running (got an email for a sale on Office 2021 for $49
> that was expiring at midnight).

Through MS? 'Cause you can get it cheaper (and valid) elsewhere.

> Perhaps I should finally get back to dabbling with MS-Access again, but
> in any event, its all current & ready to go if/when the mood hits me.

What are you doing with Access? What version?

On 5/6/24 5:27 PM, DFS wrote:
> On 5/6/2024 9:37 AM, -hh wrote:
>> On 5/5/24 7:31 PM, DFS wrote:
>>> On 5/5/2024 2:34 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>>>> Le 04-05-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you don't know what you're giving up by
>>>>>>>>>> clinging to Windows.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you think I'm "giving up"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Independence.  Simplicity.  Elegance.  Power.  I feel Mint
>>>>>>>> Cinnamon is
>>>>>>>> an enhancement, not a sacrifice of features.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Independence:
>>>>>>> You're no more independent of a distro maker than I am of Microsoft.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "A distro maker" isn't M$.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't matter. Changing your master isn't a way to be independent.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK, Wintroll, suck DFS's cock, then, upgrade to Win11.  I'm sure
>>>> you'll love it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Drinking again?  Stéphane is by no means a Wintroll.
>>>
>>
>> I'm still wondering just what the whole issue is with Win11.
>> Is it merely that one is pushed into registering?
>
> It's not perfect, and it costs a little bit of money.  That's it.

Ah, so this is the old "Free as in Beer" wishes again...
....and nothing is perfect; one merely works to minimize shortcomings.

>> In any event, I cranked up my Win11 box yesterday and let it go
>> through some updates, a security scan, and to check which version of
>> MS-Office it currently has running (got an email for a sale on Office
>> 2021 for $49 that was expiring at midnight).
>
> Through MS?  'Cause you can get it cheaper (and valid) elsewhere.

It was through "Apple Insider" .. in looking at the email link today, it
appears that they shut down their portal this week (4 May).

It now links over to stacksocial.com ... and this MS-Office 2019 product
there is still being offered for $29.97 (both Windows & MacOS, but
slightly different flavors). Its not the latest revision (I have 2021
on my Mac), but its a one time pay instead of 365's "rental" model:

https://www.stacksocial.com/sales/microsoft-office-professional-plus-2019-for-windows-3

>> Perhaps I should finally get back to dabbling with MS-Access again,
>> but in any event, its all current & ready to go if/when the mood hits me.
>
> What are you doing with Access?  What version?

Version would be Access 2019 (as per the above bundle); plans are not
determined - its probably been a good ten years since I've done any
Access dabbling, so this is mostly "now that I have the tool again, time
to figure out what I want to try using it for today".

-hh

Le 05-05-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>On 5/5/2024 2:34 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>>> Le 04-05-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you don't know what you're giving up by
>>>>>>>>> clinging to Windows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you think I'm "giving up"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Independence. Simplicity. Elegance. Power. I feel Mint Cinnamon is
>>>>>>> an enhancement, not a sacrifice of features.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Independence:
>>>>>> You're no more independent of a distro maker than I am of Microsoft.
>>>>>
>>>>> "A distro maker" isn't M$.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't matter. Changing your master isn't a way to be independent.
>>>
>>> OK, Wintroll, suck DFS's cock, then, upgrade to Win11. I'm sure
>>> you'll love it.
>>
>>Drinking again? Stéphane is by no means a Wintroll.
>
> Was he drinking, when he called Mint "my master"?

You should read again because you are clearly confused. I didn't called
Mint your master. And it means nothing.

DFS, who trusts blindly FR/DG/NV/LP/whatever, called you a distro lackey
and the slave of the choices of the distro makers of Mint (which is not
the same as being the slave of Mint). It wasn't his words but the spirit
was there.

And you didn't deny it, you said it was best to be the slave of a
distro maker than being the slave of Microsoft. So you agreed. I
answered only after, once you agreed, about his message. And I still
stand for my argument: being dependent on the choices made by your
distro makers is no less dependent than being dependant of the choices
made by Microsoft.

Mint give you some freedom, if you can't take it, I'm not responsible.
Unlike what FR/NV/LP/DG/whatever claims, and DFS believes, I'm not
dependant on the choices made by the makers of Archlinux (which are very
limited). If you are, it's your choice, you can either accept it or
learn. Whatever your choice, it's your, I don't care. But if you chose
to depend on the choices done by your distro makers, don't claim to be
more independent.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>Le 05-05-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>On 5/5/2024 2:34 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>>>> Le 04-05-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Independence:
>>>>>>> You're no more independent of a distro maker than I am of Microsoft.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "A distro maker" isn't M$.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't matter. Changing your master isn't a way to be independent.
>>>>
>>>> OK, Wintroll, suck DFS's cock, then, upgrade to Win11. I'm sure
>>>> you'll love it.
>>>
>>>Drinking again? Stéphane is by no means a Wintroll.
>>
>> Was he drinking, when he called Mint "my master"?
>
>You should read again because you are clearly confused. I didn't called
>Mint your master. And it means nothing.

You called Mint the master of my computer, at least.

>DFS, who trusts blindly FR/DG/NV/LP/whatever, called you a distro lackey
>and the slave of the choices of the distro makers of Mint (which is not
>the same as being the slave of Mint). It wasn't his words but the spirit
>was there.
>
>And you didn't deny it, you said it was best to be the slave of a
>distro maker than being the slave of Microsoft. So you agreed. I
>answered only after, once you agreed, about his message. And I still
>stand for my argument: being dependent on the choices made by your
>distro makers is no less dependent than being dependant of the choices
>made by Microsoft.
>
>Mint give you some freedom, if you can't take it, I'm not responsible.
>Unlike what FR/NV/LP/DG/whatever claims, and DFS believes, I'm not
>dependant on the choices made by the makers of Archlinux (which are very
>limited). If you are, it's your choice, you can either accept it or
>learn. Whatever your choice, it's your, I don't care. But if you chose
>to depend on the choices done by your distro makers, don't claim to be
>more independent.

I'm independent of M$, if that means being dependent on a distro, OK.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.