rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Thu, 6 Jun 2024 07:55:27 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> He's a professional, gaming is but one of the things he does. The
>> reality here is that if you're looking to do more than just go on the
>> web, write texts and send e-mails, Linux is just not an appropriate
>> machine.
>
> Two words -- horse shit.

I think of ol' Rabid as a "frog in a pot" troll. Starts out cool, and starts
slooooooooowly applying the heat, so it takes awhile to catch on as the
trolling approaches the boiling point.

--
But, for my own part, it was Greek to me.
-- William Shakespeare, "Julius Caesar"

On 6/6/2024 11:10 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jun 2024 21:26:35 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> I can understand the game thing. Windows does have a unique position
>> there, though less so than in the past. But Andrzej was suggesting that
>> Linux only does rudimentary functions, which is some serious BS.
>
> I can't find hard data but wouldn't it be ironic if Blizzard's WoW servers
> were running Linux?

https://www.google.com/search?q=blizzard+job+openings

I did a cursory look thru some but saw no mention of Linux anywhere.

Everyone should eat their own dog food of course (except Linux
'advocates' - they shamelessly think they're exempt from the directive),
but MS just bought Blizzard 7 months ago, and they're letting the
company operate as it always has.

You think they should've immediately replaced every Linux server with
WinServer?

One thing's for certain: Blizzard got where they are via Windows gamers.

On 2024-06-06, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-06-06 12:28 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-06-06, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-06 9:39 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-06, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-06-06 8:21 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-06-06, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-06-05 9:44 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-06-05, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Since I'm such a terrible shill and stuff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS25mCLyQyk>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have NOT had a stable Linux experience.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/rVmJooy5NiU?si=2D0FfhbhrXMFRwvP>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looks like the Linux community charmed Linus
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/fJB9fdXWiiw?si=0-JlvJROJyfG2hNF>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks like this guy has a lot of problems with Linux. He also looks to be a
>>>>>>>> game player. Maybe he should stick with Windows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have problems with Linux stability (and haven't had any stability
>>>>>>>> problems for about 18 years). If I did I wouldn't still be using Linux. But
>>>>>>>> I don't play Windows video games, so that might be the key to his (and your)
>>>>>>>> Linux issues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He's a professional, gaming is but one of the things he does. The
>>>>>>> reality here is that if you're looking to do more than just go on the
>>>>>>> web, write texts and send e-mails, Linux is just not an appropriate
>>>>>>> machine. He keeps giving it a shot and getting disappointed at how bad
>>>>>>> it is for everything else. However, he thought he might be biased so he
>>>>>>> asked his kids to use it instead. They too can't stand it. Imagine being
>>>>>>> a kid and being open to just about anything that's put in front of you
>>>>>>> but even you, with an age that hasn't even reached the double digits,
>>>>>>> think that Linux is lacking. As sad as this is, if you value your time
>>>>>>> at all, there are but two options: Windows or Mac, same as in the 90s. A
>>>>>>> friend of mine recently moved from Windows to the Mac and considers the
>>>>>>> Mac Mini the best desktop he's ever owned. He tried Linux several times
>>>>>>> before but came to the same conclusion as I have: it's not ready, won't
>>>>>>> be ready, and isn't worth the trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit. He's ONE person. He's taking a Linux "challenge." Obviously that
>>>>>> means he's not used to using Linux. He's just one voice among thousands, but
>>>>>> he happens to agree with your current position on Linux. Many people use
>>>>>> Linux for all kinds of projects. You have a tendency to generalize, assuming
>>>>>> you know what you don't know about why and how people use Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for his kids, they want to play MineCraft with him and apparently they
>>>>>> can't play MineCraft Dungeons (whatever that is). So, yeah, his kids are
>>>>>> thwarted in what they currently want to use their computers to do. That
>>>>>> means basically NOTHING about Linux and what can be done with it. And, as
>>>>>> I've said (now countless times), if you want to play Windows games, Linux is
>>>>>> not your best platform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you search long enough you're always going to find disgruntled people
>>>>>> whining about something — and you happen to be searching for disgruntled
>>>>>> people whining about Linux, so you've found one. Congratulations, you can
>>>>>> use an Internet search engine. Now search for people who love Linux and have
>>>>>> used it for years to balance things out. You'll find plenty of those people
>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know you're frustrated because you want to use Linux because of the BS
>>>>>> Microsoft is doing with Windows — but you're just going to have accept that
>>>>>> Windows is a better platform for Windows video games. That doesn't mean
>>>>>> Linux is not a good OS, it's just got the odds stacked against for playing
>>>>>> these *WINDOWS* games.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for valuing my time, Updating Windows 10 just two times probably takes as
>>>>>> much time as updating Linux for a couple years. I've used Windows, and I own
>>>>>> a couple Macs. I don't like or use either of those OSes. I like Linux
>>>>>> because it's superior and makes more sense. (But it's not superior for
>>>>>> playing Windows games or running bloated Microcrap Office — so if that's
>>>>>> important to a user, they're probably better off using Windows.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck with whatever direction you go. You'll have no luck convincing me
>>>>>> that Windows or Mac OS is better than Linux — no matter how many so-called
>>>>>> YouTube "experts" you trot out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Out of respect for you, I'm choosing not to answer each point
>>>>> individually. I cite Linus merely because his interests in computing are
>>>>> similar to mine. Like me, he does not want to be limited by the hardware
>>>>> he buys and he doesn't want to be mocked when he finds a problem with
>>>>> software. Unfortunately for both of us, Linux is definitely not
>>>>> something which can deliver. He and I both love the idea of it, but
>>>>> can't stand the final product. I'm sure Communists were just as
>>>>> disappointed that the ideology they were theoretically in agreement with
>>>>> ended up causing them to starve and lose their individual rights.
>>>>
>>>> Okay. I'm the opposite. I think I would quit using computers altogether if I
>>>> had to use Windows. Since Mac OSX at least has a UNIX base, I might be able
>>>> to stomach it, but what I've seen of it so far I'm not crazy about it.
>>>>
>>>> Fortunately I don't have to use Windows or a Mac. I get to use Linux. Linux
>>>> "delivers" fine for me.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, the fact that I had to change the keyboard on this
>>> particular laptop and got the computer back with a defective fingerprint
>>> sensor is enough for me to consider the Mac very strongly when it will
>>> be time to upgrade. Even the best hardware manufacturers seem to have
>>> trouble making a machine that can withstand two years of use (three
>>> now). The fact that I get a $150 rebate on a Mac simply because I'm a
>>> teacher might be enough to seal the deal for me. Still, for all of the
>>> problems with Windows, I see very few issues with 11. It is, for me, the
>>> best they have made so far. It's easy to get attached to it despite the
>>> serious privacy concerns.
>>
>> The ads and spyware would keep me away from Windows 11, if nothing else. I
>> like the quality of my Latitude E7450 but the newer Ultrabooks (I believe)
>> are built like the Macs, with soldered on memory and SSD cards. I wouldn't
>> like that. That was an advantage that Dell (and others) had over Macs.
>> Windows laptops seem to be looking more and more like Macs — I guess they'll
>> start working more like Macs when they go to ARM chips.
>
> The soldering part, as well as the fact that I would be losing my game
> and movie libraries, would be the reasons I wouldn't migrate to the Mac.
> I got rid of the MacBook Air specifically because I knew that the
> storage would eventually stop allowing me to write to it which has the
> effect of completely killing the Mac (look it up on YouTube) by sending
> 12V to the other components. If I went in the Mac's direction, I would
> at least upgrade to much larger storage to guarantee that reaching the
> TBW limit would take more than half a decade. Still, I prefer the idea
> of being able to replace the SSD for larger if I need it down the line,
> and upgrading RAM whenever I choose to. If the price I have to pay to
> get that and a decent computing experience is Windows, I'm happy to take it.

On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 08:57:11 -0400, DFS wrote:

> One thing's for certain: Blizzard got where they are via Windows gamers.

No argument there. However the backend isn't necessarily the same as the
clients. I would be curious what they, or some of the other net based
multi-user games use for their infrastructure. That's a lot of crap to
keep track off.

The really important games do fine on Linux:

https://www.nethack.org/common/index.html

That's guaranteed to not over stress your GPU.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 03:34 this Friday (GMT):
> On 6/6/2024 6:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 13:25 this Thursday (GMT):
>>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The
>>>> reality here is that if you're looking to do more than just go on the
>>>> web, write texts and send e-mails, Linux is just not an appropriate
>>>> machine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ridiculous. I lost jack by switching to Linux.
>>
>>
>> I lost I think 3 or so steam games..? and ss13
>
>
> Space Station 13?
>
> I looked at it. I never got the appeal of those 2d or 2d scroller games.

hah yea thats the one
its more of a online sandbox game so
also its foss (most of the servers anyway)

> I'm a Half-Life 2 geek. And some shooters, like Serious Sam HD 1st
> Encounter, are a blast.
>
> The two Alice games by American McGhee were cool.

I played both half-lifes. Haven't beaten them tho.
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:
>DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 03:34 this Friday (GMT):
>> On 6/6/2024 6:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 13:25 this Thursday (GMT):
>>>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The
>>>>> reality here is that if you're looking to do more than just go on the
>>>>> web, write texts and send e-mails, Linux is just not an appropriate
>>>>> machine.
>>>>
>>>> Ridiculous. I lost jack by switching to Linux.
>>>
>>> I lost I think 3 or so steam games..? and ss13
>>
>> Space Station 13?
>>
>> I looked at it. I never got the appeal of those 2d or 2d scroller games.
>
>hah yea thats the one
>its more of a online sandbox game so
>also its foss (most of the servers anyway)

https://www.byond.com/download/

It seems to suggest the game can be run under Linux, although I don't
game myself, not a fan.

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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 07:01:55 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
wrote in <v3upb3$21r31$1@dont-email.me>:

> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2024 07:55:27 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> He's a professional, gaming is but one of the things he does. The
>>> reality here is that if you're looking to do more than just go on the
>>> web, write texts and send e-mails, Linux is just not an appropriate
>>> machine.
>>
>> Two words -- horse shit.
>
> I think of ol' Rabid as a "frog in a pot" troll. Starts out cool, and
> starts slooooooooowly applying the heat, so it takes awhile to catch on
> as the trolling approaches the boiling point.

Maybe a bit of this, too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(slang)#Concern_troll

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Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 18:58 this Friday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
> wrote:
>>DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 03:34 this Friday (GMT):
>>> On 6/6/2024 6:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 13:25 this Thursday (GMT):
>>>>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> reality here is that if you're looking to do more than just go on the
>>>>>> web, write texts and send e-mails, Linux is just not an appropriate
>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ridiculous. I lost jack by switching to Linux.
>>>>
>>>> I lost I think 3 or so steam games..? and ss13
>>>
>>> Space Station 13?
>>>
>>> I looked at it. I never got the appeal of those 2d or 2d scroller games.
>>
>>hah yea thats the one
>>its more of a online sandbox game so
>>also its foss (most of the servers anyway)
>
>
> https://www.byond.com/download/
>
> It seems to suggest the game can be run under Linux, although I don't
> game myself, not a fan.

haha nno
you can only host a server from linux
a bunch of ppl in te community have tried using wine (including me) and
it just doesnt work well
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On 2024-06-07 11:03 a.m., RonB wrote:

< snipped for brevity >

>> The soldering part, as well as the fact that I would be losing my game
>> and movie libraries, would be the reasons I wouldn't migrate to the Mac.
>> I got rid of the MacBook Air specifically because I knew that the
>> storage would eventually stop allowing me to write to it which has the
>> effect of completely killing the Mac (look it up on YouTube) by sending
>> 12V to the other components. If I went in the Mac's direction, I would
>> at least upgrade to much larger storage to guarantee that reaching the
>> TBW limit would take more than half a decade. Still, I prefer the idea
>> of being able to replace the SSD for larger if I need it down the line,
>> and upgrading RAM whenever I choose to. If the price I have to pay to
>> get that and a decent computing experience is Windows, I'm happy to take it.
>
> I agree with you on replaceable RAM and SSDs — fortunately (for me) Linux
> will work on the same computers.

That's the thing. Once those SSDs reach their TBW, even Linux won't make
them useful. Those laptops become paperweights unless you're a master at
soldering and can get the thing to run off of a new NVME you stuck in
there in some very inelegant way. There's no other way of looking at it:
as good as the MacBook Air M1 is, it's not viable as a long-term device.

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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-06-07 5:10 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 18:58 this Friday (GMT):
>> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
>> wrote:
>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 03:34 this Friday (GMT):
>>>> On 6/6/2024 6:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 13:25 this Thursday (GMT):
>>>>>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> reality here is that if you're looking to do more than just go on the
>>>>>>> web, write texts and send e-mails, Linux is just not an appropriate
>>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ridiculous. I lost jack by switching to Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> I lost I think 3 or so steam games..? and ss13
>>>>
>>>> Space Station 13?
>>>>
>>>> I looked at it. I never got the appeal of those 2d or 2d scroller games.
>>>
>>> hah yea thats the one
>>> its more of a online sandbox game so
>>> also its foss (most of the servers anyway)
>>
>>
>> https://www.byond.com/download/
>>
>> It seems to suggest the game can be run under Linux, although I don't
>> game myself, not a fan.
>
>
> haha nno
> you can only host a server from linux
> a bunch of ppl in te community have tried using wine (including me) and
> it just doesnt work well

I don't know about that. In my limited time playing games from within
Linux using Proton and Lutris, it does a very decent job. I've
encountered problems with Nobara's version of Lutris and I hated that I
couldn't sync my saved games, but they worked rather well.

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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 22:26 this Sunday (GMT):
> On 2024-06-07 5:10 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 18:58 this Friday (GMT):
>>> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
>>> wrote:
>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 03:34 this Friday (GMT):
>>>>> On 6/6/2024 6:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 13:25 this Thursday (GMT):
>>>>>>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> reality here is that if you're looking to do more than just go on the
>>>>>>>> web, write texts and send e-mails, Linux is just not an appropriate
>>>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ridiculous. I lost jack by switching to Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I lost I think 3 or so steam games..? and ss13
>>>>>
>>>>> Space Station 13?
>>>>>
>>>>> I looked at it. I never got the appeal of those 2d or 2d scroller games.
>>>>
>>>> hah yea thats the one
>>>> its more of a online sandbox game so
>>>> also its foss (most of the servers anyway)
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.byond.com/download/
>>>
>>> It seems to suggest the game can be run under Linux, although I don't
>>> game myself, not a fan.
>>
>>
>> haha nno
>> you can only host a server from linux
>> a bunch of ppl in te community have tried using wine (including me) and
>> it just doesnt work well
>
> I don't know about that. In my limited time playing games from within
> Linux using Proton and Lutris, it does a very decent job. I've
> encountered problems with Nobara's version of Lutris and I hated that I
> couldn't sync my saved games, but they worked rather well.

wait really?? dang
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On 2024-06-10 10:40 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 22:26 this Sunday (GMT):
>> On 2024-06-07 5:10 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 18:58 this Friday (GMT):
>>>> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 03:34 this Friday (GMT):
>>>>>> On 6/6/2024 6:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 13:25 this Thursday (GMT):
>>>>>>>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> reality here is that if you're looking to do more than just go on the
>>>>>>>>> web, write texts and send e-mails, Linux is just not an appropriate
>>>>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ridiculous. I lost jack by switching to Linux.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I lost I think 3 or so steam games..? and ss13
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Space Station 13?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I looked at it. I never got the appeal of those 2d or 2d scroller games.
>>>>>
>>>>> hah yea thats the one
>>>>> its more of a online sandbox game so
>>>>> also its foss (most of the servers anyway)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.byond.com/download/
>>>>
>>>> It seems to suggest the game can be run under Linux, although I don't
>>>> game myself, not a fan.
>>>
>>>
>>> haha nno
>>> you can only host a server from linux
>>> a bunch of ppl in te community have tried using wine (including me) and
>>> it just doesnt work well
>>
>> I don't know about that. In my limited time playing games from within
>> Linux using Proton and Lutris, it does a very decent job. I've
>> encountered problems with Nobara's version of Lutris and I hated that I
>> couldn't sync my saved games, but they worked rather well.
>
>
> wait really?? dang

I only tried a few titles but it worked well with Control (great game)
and Tiny Tina's Wonderlands. Every Shantae game I installed through GOG
on Lutris ran as it should, and I was able to complete Brotato in Linux
even though there is no official version for the OS.

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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 11:46 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On 2024-06-10 10:40 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 22:26 this Sunday (GMT):
>>> On 2024-06-07 5:10 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 18:58 this Friday (GMT):
>>>>> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 03:34 this Friday (GMT):
>>>>>>> On 6/6/2024 6:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 13:25 this Thursday (GMT):
>>>>>>>>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>> reality here is that if you're looking to do more than just go on the
>>>>>>>>>> web, write texts and send e-mails, Linux is just not an appropriate
>>>>>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ridiculous. I lost jack by switching to Linux.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I lost I think 3 or so steam games..? and ss13
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Space Station 13?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I looked at it. I never got the appeal of those 2d or 2d scroller games.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hah yea thats the one
>>>>>> its more of a online sandbox game so
>>>>>> also its foss (most of the servers anyway)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.byond.com/download/
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to suggest the game can be run under Linux, although I don't
>>>>> game myself, not a fan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> haha nno
>>>> you can only host a server from linux
>>>> a bunch of ppl in te community have tried using wine (including me) and
>>>> it just doesnt work well
>>>
>>> I don't know about that. In my limited time playing games from within
>>> Linux using Proton and Lutris, it does a very decent job. I've
>>> encountered problems with Nobara's version of Lutris and I hated that I
>>> couldn't sync my saved games, but they worked rather well.
>>
>>
>> wait really?? dang
>
> I only tried a few titles but it worked well with Control (great game)
> and Tiny Tina's Wonderlands. Every Shantae game I installed through GOG
> on Lutris ran as it should, and I was able to complete Brotato in Linux
> even though there is no official version for the OS.

Never heard of 'em. I bet SS13 doesn't work cuz of outdated IE7 and .NET
protocols and also needing wmp

at least i got ss14
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