In alt.global-warming Relf <Usenet@jeff-relf.me> wrote:
> Re: Fauci Admits He Made Up Tyrannical COVID Guidelines.
> Only the FDA can provide VACCINE SAFETY DATA & they HIDE it.
> Age-Standardized Mortality Rate (ASMR), United States:
> 2019: 715.2 deaths ( per 100,000 standard population )
> 2022: 798.8 deaths.
> 2023, 2024: Forever redacted, too embarrassing.

Blame Trump and his virus skepticism and fake cures.
The same thing happened in the UK and in AUS after the
RW PM told the population to "forget the virus" in the middle
of the Pandemic after industry demanded people get back in
the shops and start buying again.

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Presidential vote versus COVID deaths per capita:

States like: %trump2020 coviddeaths/100k model prediction
District.of.Columbia 7.9 2093.04 2108.84
Vermont 34.3 2387.03 2820.68
Hawaii 36.4 2047.49 2877.31*
New.York 39.1 3738.98 2950.11*
Rhode.Island 40.9 3375.48 2998.64
Washington 42.725 2827.44 3047.85
Colorado 44.6 2497.35 3098.41*
Virginia 45.8 3879.32 3130.77*
New.Hampshire 47.2667 2245.29 3170.31*
Michigan 49.4 4039.78 3227.83*
Wisconsin 50.3 3835.91 3252.1
North.Carolina 51.75 3412.29 3291.2
Texas 53.5 3328.21 3338.39
Ohio 54.95 3393.79 3377.48
South.Carolina 56.9 2883.12 3430.06
Montana 58.92 4580.84 3484.53*
Nebraska 60.45 3185.8 3525.78
Utah 62.45 2997.04 3579.71
South.Dakota 63.8667 3938.45 3617.91
Arkansas 65.2 4221 3653.86
Oklahoma 67.3 3799.42 3710.48
North.Dakota 68.2 2948.77 3734.75*
West.Virginia 70.3 4130.95 3791.37
Wyoming 73.4 3306.56 3874.96

T-test: prob 2 are connected 99.7%
Rank test: prob 2 are connected 95%+
beta = 27+-15 90% CI
R2 = 31%

On 2024-06-04 02:07:18 +0000, Fauci Tortured Dogs said:

> -hh wrote:
>> On 6/3/24 6:06 PM, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-03, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Wait until you see the "lowlight" clips of MTG in that hearing, what a
>>>> disgusting display.
>>>
>>> I did see MTG.She brought up topics, like the torture of innocent
>>> animals,. that needed to be
>>> discussed. However I do NOT agree with her delivery of the topic.
>>
>> How is animal testing in drug research new?  Its not.
>>
>> And if you think it is unethical, have you sworn off of using **all**
>> FDA approved drugs for the rest of your life?  Because if you're not,
>> you're being a hypocrite (and you know it).
>
> You and Fraudci should be locked in a cage while flies eat away at both
> your faces.

What's this -- the rightwing sympathetic to PETA all of a sudden?

I guess Trump really has caused hell to freeze over.

Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On 2024-06-03 2:52 p.m., % wrote:
>> Joel Crump wrote:
>>> On 6/3/24 2:00 PM, % wrote:
>>>> Joel Crump wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm proud of you for being reasonable, this time.
>>>> >
>>>> no one wants a sidewalk sissy like you to be
>>>> proud of them
>>>
>>>
>>> I would kill you with my bare hands, bitch ass.
>>  >
>>  >
>> oh look, a keyboard tough guy faggot weakling
>
> If Joel Crump were in a cage match with a newborn kitten, the feline
> would have his shoulders planted to the mat for a three count within
> moments. The only defense Joel could theoretically muster against said
> kitten is if the amount of cocks he's had in him could somehow release
> from his skin. Then, he'd be like a porcupine.
>
>
ROFL!

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 01:55:30 -0500, super70s wrote:

> On 2024-06-04 02:07:18 +0000, Fauci Tortured Dogs said:
>
>> -hh wrote:
>>> On 6/3/24 6:06 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-03, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Wait until you see the "lowlight" clips of MTG in that hearing, what
>>>>> a disgusting display.
>>>>
>>>> I did see MTG.She brought up topics, like the torture of innocent
>>>> animals,. that needed to be discussed. However I do NOT agree with
>>>> her delivery of the topic.
>>>
>>> How is animal testing in drug research new?  Its not.
>>>
>>> And if you think it is unethical, have you sworn off of using **all**
>>> FDA approved drugs for the rest of your life?  Because if you're not,
>>> you're being a hypocrite (and you know it).
>>
>> You and Fraudci should be locked in a cage while flies eat away at both
>> your faces.
>
> What's this -- the rightwing sympathetic to PETA all of a sudden?
>
> I guess Trump really has caused hell to freeze over.

It tends to be RWNJ's that post road apples that have fsck-all
to do with Linux in comp.os.linux.advocacy.

If they're going to do that, you'd think they'd have the
courtesy to a) speak grammatical English, and b) post an ObLinux.

ObLinux:

Do you build your own kernel? And if so, are you up-to-date?

$ uname -a
Linux x 6.9.3 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri May 31 04:12:18 PDT 2024 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Oh, I'm sorry, is that too dweeby a question for you? Then why
are you posting to cola?

--
-c

John Smyth wrote:

>'Fauci Admits He Made Up Tyrannical COVID Guidelines Including Child
>Masking and Social Distancing — Were Based on Mere Assumptions, Not
>Science'

Next up: Fauci admits that water is wet.

Anyone with any sense figured-out that it was picked simply as
somewhat obtainable (but not really) distance.

--
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Stallman uses absurd double talk in his cult BS.' - some thing

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
news:g33t5jplcb7m6ldr9lgukgkdflkgcpprsd@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 20:23:43 -0400, -hh
> <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>Fauchi will take the high road & the usual screaming suspects will
>>continue to be pwned. The problem with their "gotcha!" attempts is
>>where they put the goalposts: one *never* has "concrete" data at the
>>start of a new investigation, so everything that one starts out with
>>can only be based on historical precedent and best practices.
>
> Doesn't matter. Fauci is considered an oppo figure and so can do no
> right. The real tragedy is the politicization of a disease. Disease
> doesn't care if you're Republican, Democrat or Martian.

Republicans on the campaign trail:

Crime! The Border! Israel! Schools!

Republicans once in power:

Impeach s Mayorkas! Investigate Fauci!
Remove the Speaker! Hunter Biden!

On 6/3/2024 10:20 AM, "pothole," the lying castrato, lied:

> On 2024-06-03, Byker the Nazi lied:
>> "John Smyth" the Nazi lied:
>>>
>>> So much for follow the science.
>>> He should be tried for treason.

Read the Constitution, fuckhead.

>>>
>>> 'Fauci Admits

Dr. Fauci "admitted" nothing.

>>
>> Yup, "Dr." Fauxci taught the whole world how NOT to handle an epidemic

Bullshit.

>>
> Just watched a few minutes of Fauci testifying before the house committee

and they don't lay a glove on him.

On 6/3/2024 8:48 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 20:23:43 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>> Fauchi will take the high road & the usual screaming suspects will
>> continue to be pwned. The problem with their "gotcha!" attempts is
>> where they put the goalposts: one *never* has "concrete" data at the
>> start of a new investigation, so everything that one starts out with can
>> only be based on historical precedent and best practices.
>
> Doesn't matter. Fauci is considered an oppo figure and so can do no right. The real
> tragedy is the politicization of a disease. Disease doesn't care if you're Republican,
> Democrat or Martian.

That's actually not exactly right. Disease is not a decision making or "caring"
agent, so disease can't "choose" or "decide" to target Democrats more than
Republiscums/QAnon, or vice-versa. But disease *affects* Democrats and
Republiscums/QAnon differentially, because of the different choices Democrats
and Republiscums/QAnon make. Democrats are far, *far* more likely to be
vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 than are Republiscums/QAnon. We *know* that the
vaccines:

* somewhat reduce your likelihood of contracting COVID-19 (not as much as
was initially hoped, but somewhat)
* *greatly* reduce your chance of getting gravely ill or dying from it
if you do contract it (this is beyond rational dispute)

So, in effect, and in kind of a derivative sense, disease — *some* disease —
"cares" if you're Democrat or Republiscum/QAnon.

On 2024-06-04 08:45:25 +0000, Creon said:

> On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 01:55:30 -0500, super70s wrote:
>
>> On 2024-06-04 02:07:18 +0000, Fauci Tortured Dogs said:
>>
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>> On 6/3/24 6:06 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-06-03, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> Wait until you see the "lowlight" clips of MTG in that hearing, what
>>>>>> a disgusting display.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did see MTG.She brought up topics, like the torture of innocent
>>>>> animals,. that needed to be discussed. However I do NOT agree with
>>>>> her delivery of the topic.
>>>>
>>>> How is animal testing in drug research new?  Its not.
>>>>
>>>> And if you think it is unethical, have you sworn off of using **all**
>>>> FDA approved drugs for the rest of your life?  Because if you're not,
>>>> you're being a hypocrite (and you know it).
>>>
>>> You and Fraudci should be locked in a cage while flies eat away at both
>>> your faces.
>>
>> What's this -- the rightwing sympathetic to PETA all of a sudden?
>>
>> I guess Trump really has caused hell to freeze over.
>
> It tends to be RWNJ's that post road apples that have fsck-all
> to do with Linux in comp.os.linux.advocacy.
>
> If they're going to do that, you'd think they'd have the
> courtesy to a) speak grammatical English, and b) post an ObLinux.
>
> ObLinux:
>
> Do you build your own kernel? And if so, are you up-to-date?
>
> $ uname -a
> Linux x 6.9.3 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri May 31 04:12:18 PDT 2024 x86_64
> x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> Oh, I'm sorry, is that too dweeby a question for you? Then why
> are you posting to cola?

I'm just driving along with traffic pal. Direct your wrath to the
dimwit OP ("John Smyth").

super70s wrote:
> On 2024-06-04 02:07:18 +0000, Fauci Tortured Dogs said:
>
>> -hh wrote:
>>> On 6/3/24 6:06 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-03, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Wait until you see the "lowlight" clips of MTG in that hearing, what a
>>>>> disgusting display.
>>>>
>>>> I did see MTG.She brought up topics, like the torture of innocent animals,.
>>>> that needed to be
>>>> discussed. However I do NOT agree with her delivery of the topic.
>>>
>>> How is animal testing in drug research new?  Its not.
>>>
>>> And if you think it is unethical, have you sworn off of using **all** FDA
>>> approved drugs for the rest of your life?  Because if you're not, you're
>>> being a hypocrite (and you know it).
>>
>> You and Fraudci should be locked in a cage while flies eat away at both
>> your faces.
>
> What's this -- the rightwing sympathetic to PETA all of a sudden?
>
> I guess Trump really has caused hell to freeze over.
>
>

PETA kills more dogs in a month than Fraudci did in a year.

You don't think outside your left-wing box because you CAN'T.

Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:

>   * *greatly* reduce your chance of getting gravely ill or dying from it
>     if you do contract it (this is beyond rational dispute)
>

For at least one of the shots, this was only the case for 60 days. Then,
it made you MORE likely to be hospitalized.

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 22:48:23 -0400, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:

>Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>
>>   * *greatly* reduce your chance of getting gravely ill or dying from it
>>     if you do contract it (this is beyond rational dispute)
>>
>
>For at least one of the shots, this was only the case for 60 days. Then,
>it made you MORE likely to be hospitalized.

Which shot?

Swill
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On 2024-06-05 02:36:40 +0000, Fauci Tortured Dogs said:

> super70s wrote:
>> On 2024-06-04 02:07:18 +0000, Fauci Tortured Dogs said:
>>
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>> On 6/3/24 6:06 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-06-03, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> Wait until you see the "lowlight" clips of MTG in that hearing, what a
>>>>>> disgusting display.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did see MTG.She brought up topics, like the torture of innocent
>>>>> animals,. that needed to be
>>>>> discussed. However I do NOT agree with her delivery of the topic.
>>>>
>>>> How is animal testing in drug research new?  Its not.
>>>>
>>>> And if you think it is unethical, have you sworn off of using **all**
>>>> FDA approved drugs for the rest of your life?  Because if you're not,
>>>> you're being a hypocrite (and you know it).
>>>
>>> You and Fraudci should be locked in a cage while flies eat away at both
>>> your faces.
>>
>> What's this -- the rightwing sympathetic to PETA all of a sudden?
>>
>> I guess Trump really has caused hell to freeze over.
>
> PETA kills more dogs in a month than Fraudci did in a year.

?

Got a cite for that?

I really don't care one way or the other who's leading in the doggie
abuse dept. to be honest. I've never kept a dog and never will, it's
enough of a PITA putting up with uncaring neighbors' yapping dogs.

> You don't think outside your left-wing box because you CAN'T.

Yeah sure bubba.

On 6/4/2024 7:48 PM, Anonymous wrote:
> Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>
>>    * *greatly* reduce your chance of getting gravely ill or dying from it
>>      if you do contract it (this is beyond rational dispute)
>>
>
> For at least one of the shots, this was only the case for 60 days. Then,
> it made you MORE likely to be hospitalized.

Utter bullshit. That's why you don't have a citation for it. You're just spewing
bullshit.

Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
> On 6/4/2024 7:48 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>> Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>>
>>>    * *greatly* reduce your chance of getting gravely ill or dying from it
>>>      if you do contract it (this is beyond rational dispute)
>>>
>>
>> For at least one of the shots, this was only the case for 60 days. Then,
>> it made you MORE likely to be hospitalized.
>
> Utter bullshit. That's why you don't have a citation for it. You're just spewing
> bullshit.
>

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2023-09-12/05-COVID-Link-Gelles-508.pdf

See slide 25.

On 6/3/2024 7:20 PM, Joel Crump wrote:
> On 6/3/24 7:07 PM, RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-06-03, % <percent@yohooo.not> wrote:
>>> Joel Crump wrote:
>>>> On 6/3/24 2:00 PM, % wrote:
>>>>> Joel Crump wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm proud of you for being reasonable, this time.
>>>>> >
>>>>> no one wants a sidewalk sissy like you to be
>>>>> proud of them
>>>>
>>>> I would kill you with my bare hands, bitch ass.
>>> >
>>> oh look, a keyboard tough guy faggot weakling
>>
>> Yep. Joel is having a hissy fit.
>
>
> Shut up, dorky old fart. I'd kick your dumb ass with one hand tied
> behind my back.

More empty, drunken ethreats.

WRonG is nearing 70 as I recall, so you MIGHT be able to take him. But
would it really make you proud to beat up an older man who hates Windows
a lot more than you do?

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 6/3/2024 7:20 PM, Joel Crump wrote:
>> On 6/3/24 7:07 PM, RonB wrote:
>>>
>>> Joel is having a hissy fit.
>>
>> Shut up, dorky old fart. I'd kick your dumb ass with one hand tied
>> behind my back.
>
>More empty, drunken ethreats.
>
>WRonG is nearing 70 as I recall, so you MIGHT be able to take him. But
>would it really make you proud to beat up an older man who hates Windows
>a lot more than you do?

Yeah, the age thing is a point, I guess, but he accused me of
"escaping" his killfile, when I have posted with the same email for
years, and he talks smack. He's not as much of a phobe as Andrzej,
though, at least. Still a bitch of a man, though.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-06-06 11:28 a.m., DFS wrote:
> On 6/3/2024 7:20 PM, Joel Crump wrote:
>> On 6/3/24 7:07 PM, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-03, % <percent@yohooo.not> wrote:
>>>> Joel Crump wrote:
>>>>> On 6/3/24 2:00 PM, % wrote:
>>>>>> Joel Crump wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm proud of you for being reasonable, this time.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> no one wants a sidewalk sissy like you to be
>>>>>> proud of them
>>>>>
>>>>> I would kill you with my bare hands, bitch ass.
>>>> >
>>>> oh look, a keyboard tough guy faggot weakling
>>>
>>> Yep. Joel is having a hissy fit.
>>
>>
>> Shut up, dorky old fart. I'd kick your dumb ass with one hand tied
>> behind my back.
>
>
> More empty, drunken ethreats.
>
> WRonG is nearing 70 as I recall, so you MIGHT be able to take him.  But
> would it really make you proud to beat up an older man who hates Windows
> a lot more than you do?

I can only imagine how much crack Joel Crump consumed to believe that he
would be able to take on anyone. In a fight between him and an
inanimate, literal punching bag, my money's on the latter.

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:

>I can only imagine how much crack Joel Crump consumed to believe that he
>would be able to take on anyone. In a fight between him and an
>inanimate, literal punching bag, my money's on the latter.

This guy is a hoot. I'm a skinny white boy, but not weak, though.
People who aren't clued in, to the power of energy, think it's about
size. I'm a deadly force.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Joel wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>
>> I can only imagine how much crack Joel Crump consumed to believe that he
>> would be able to take on anyone. In a fight between him and an
>> inanimate, literal punching bag, my money's on the latter.
>
>
> This guy is a hoot. I'm a skinny white boy, but not weak, though.
> People who aren't clued in, to the power of energy, think it's about
> size. I'm a deadly force.
>
no you're not you're nothing but a push over susan

On 6/6/2024 12:21 PM, Joel wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>
>> I can only imagine how much crack Joel Crump consumed to believe that he
>> would be able to take on anyone. In a fight between him and an
>> inanimate, literal punching bag, my money's on the latter.
>
>
> This guy is a hoot. I'm a skinny white boy, but not weak, though.
> People who aren't clued in, to the power of energy, think it's about
> size. I'm a deadly force.

Unless you're a freak of nature - a few of which DO exist - at
125-140lbs you're very physically weak.

You think you're deadly, but you're just delusional. Your weak body and
average hand speed WILL betray your mind if you actually fight a
normal-size male.

Of course you can prove your badassedness by participating in a
StreetBeefs fight. They're in Harrisonburg, VA.

But you won't. You'll just talk smack on Usenet.

Truly, I recommend you stick to threatening females of your size.
That's the only chance you have in real life.

On 6/5/24 8:30 PM, Anonymous wrote:
> Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>> On 6/4/2024 7:48 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>>>
>>>>    * *greatly* reduce your chance of getting gravely ill or dying
>>>> from it
>>>>      if you do contract it (this is beyond rational dispute)
>>>>
>>>
>>> For at least one of the shots, this was only the case for 60 days. Then,
>>> it made you MORE likely to be hospitalized.
>>
>> Utter bullshit. That's why you don't have a citation for it. You're
>> just spewing bullshit.
>>
>
> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2023-09-12/05-COVID-Link-Gelles-508.pdf
>
> See slide 25.

Unfortunately for you, Slide 25 doesn't support what you're claiming
(nor do slides 26-28 either).

Because you clearly missed some important elements:

First, CoVid isn't just a single genetic version, so the slide lists
performance against three then-predominant subvariants on a single
chart, specifically BA.4/5, BQ.1, and XBB.1.5

It goes on to show a clear vaccine benefit for two of three (BA.4/5 &
BQ.1), out to its maximum recorded time window of 89 days since dose.

So you're 2/3rds shot down already.

But do you have any hope for the third subvariant of XBB.1.5?

Only if you can overcome two problems for even this niche case.

The first problem you have is that it does show that there's no mean
benefit from the original vaccine formulation, but the measured Median
time since last dose isn't your claimed 60 days, but is at 464 days (1.3
years): over 7x times longer than your claim: Fail.

Your second problem you have is that the other one which didn't provide
clear benefit ("Bivalent...90-179 days), you also didn't read for
comprehension: its Median time since last dose also isn't your claimed
60 days, but is 136 days: over 2x longer too: fail.

So you're now fully shot down on this one too.

And that's before we even note that you failed to its footnote too:

"** These estimates are imprecise, which might be due to there being a
relatively small number of persons in each level of vaccination or case
status. This imprecision indicates that the actual VE could be
substantially different from the point estimate shown, and estimates
should therefore be interpreted with caution.
Additional data accrual could increase precision and allow more precise
interpretation."

Now we should also note that maybe you got the page# wrong, for there's
more data on hospitalization reduction on slides 26-28, but these charts
all show clear vaccine benefit for all conditions for the mean.

Plus even if we look at the total error bars, there's only two instances
where it even crosses over the zero, which are both for the original
vaccine, and have Median times since last dose of 334 & 394 days (0.9 &
1.1 years) respectively: owhere near your claimed "60 days". Fail.

-hh

-hh wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> <snip of dismantling of trolls covid/fauci post>
>
> -hh

You may be a pain in the ass, but you do a thorough analysis. Thanks!

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You are capable of planning your future.

On 6/21/24 3:14 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> -hh wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> <snip of dismantling of trolls covid/fauci post>
>>
>> -hh
>
> You may be a pain in the ass, but you do a thorough analysis. Thanks!
>

Much appreciated. Being inherently analytical in a world full of
gratuitous bullshitters can be a tad frustrating at times.

-hh

-hh wrote:
> On 6/5/24 8:30 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>> Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>>> On 6/4/2024 7:48 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>    * *greatly* reduce your chance of getting gravely ill or dying from it
>>>>>      if you do contract it (this is beyond rational dispute)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For at least one of the shots, this was only the case for 60 days. Then,
>>>> it made you MORE likely to be hospitalized.
>>>
>>> Utter bullshit. That's why you don't have a citation for it. You're just
>>> spewing bullshit.
>>>
>>
>> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2023-09-12/05-COVID-Link-Gelles-508.pdf
>>
>> See slide 25.
>
> Unfortunately for you, Slide 25 doesn't support what you're claiming
> (nor do slides 26-28 either).
>
> Because you clearly missed some important elements:
>
> First, CoVid isn't just a single genetic version, so the slide lists performance
> against three then-predominant subvariants on a single chart, specifically
> BA.4/5, BQ.1, and XBB.1.5
>
> It goes on to show a clear vaccine benefit for two of three (BA.4/5 & BQ.1), out
> to its maximum recorded time window of 89 days since dose.
>
> So you're 2/3rds shot down already.
>
> But do you have any hope for the third subvariant of XBB.1.5?
>
> Only if you can overcome two problems for even this niche case.
>
> The first problem you have is that it does show that there's no mean benefit
> from the original vaccine formulation, but the measured Median time since last
> dose isn't your claimed 60 days, but is at 464 days (1.3 years):  over 7x times
> longer than your claim: Fail.
>
> Your second problem you have is that the other one which didn't provide clear
> benefit ("Bivalent...90-179 days), you also didn't read for comprehension:  its
> Median time since last dose also isn't your claimed 60 days, but is 136 days:
> over 2x longer too:  fail.
>
> So you're now fully shot down on this one too.
>
> And that's before we even note that you failed to its footnote too:
>
>
> "** These estimates are imprecise, which might be due to there being a
> relatively small number of persons in each level of vaccination or case status.
> This imprecision indicates that the actual VE could be substantially different
> from the point estimate shown, and estimates should therefore be interpreted
> with caution.
> Additional data accrual could increase precision and allow more precise
> interpretation."
>
> Now we should also note that maybe you got the page# wrong, for there's more
> data on hospitalization reduction on slides 26-28, but these charts all show
> clear vaccine benefit for all conditions for the mean.
>
> Plus even if we look at the total error bars, there's only two instances where
> it even crosses over the zero, which are both for the original vaccine, and have
> Median times since last dose of 334 & 394 days (0.9 & 1.1 years) respectively:
> owhere near your claimed "60 days".  Fail.
>
>
> -hh

I posted the wrong link.

But in any case, the COVID clot shots aren't vaccines. A vaccine is supposed
to provide the same sterilizing immunity compared to natural infection and
recovery on a PERMANENT basis.

But since you seem to like the shots, enjoy your wrecked immune system and
possible myocarditis, among other adverse effects.