Java Ant-Core used to be it, but not no more.

Ant is the new way, and to make sure the SOPHISTICATED Gentoo
users get the message, stuff like this happens:

https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-java/ant-core

I gots to build the latest LibreOffice-24.2.3.2 and I needs this info.
Thanks Gentoo.

Distro lackeys can only ride along with whatever their cheap, crippled
distros shove up their asses.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 17:29:53 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:

> I gots to build the latest LibreOffice-24.2.3.2 and I needs this info.
> Thanks Gentoo.
>
> Distro lackeys can only ride along with whatever their cheap, crippled
> distros shove up their asses.

Big fucking deal. My Fedora 40 KDE spin has 24.2.3.2. All I had to do was
run 'sudo dnf upgrade' and go do something useful while all the apps,
including the kernel, are updated.

On 6/1/24 4:46 PM, rbowman wrote:
>On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 17:29:53 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:
>
>> I gots to build the latest LibreOffice-24.2.3.2 and I needs this info.
>> Thanks Gentoo.
>>
>> Distro lackeys can only ride along with whatever their cheap, crippled
>> distros shove up their asses.
>
>Big fucking deal. My Fedora 40 KDE spin has 24.2.3.2. All I had to do was
>run 'sudo dnf upgrade' and go do something useful while all the apps,
>including the kernel, are updated.

I can get LO from the Web and have the latest, with Mint, Larry is just OCD.

--
Joel W. Crump

On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 17:29:53 +0000, Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> wrote in
<17d4f198233e989b$74118$550379$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:

> Distro lackeys can only ride along with whatever their cheap, crippled
> distros shove up their asses.

What kernel does your distro allow you to run, distro lackey?

--
-v

On 2024-06-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 17:29:53 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:
>
>> I gots to build the latest LibreOffice-24.2.3.2 and I needs this info.
>> Thanks Gentoo.
>>
>> Distro lackeys can only ride along with whatever their cheap, crippled
>> distros shove up their asses.
>
> Big fucking deal. My Fedora 40 KDE spin has 24.2.3.2. All I had to do was
> run 'sudo dnf upgrade' and go do something useful while all the apps,
> including the kernel, are updated.

First question, how in the world did LibreOffice get to release 24 from
release 7? Second question, who really cares if you have the latest version
of LibreOffice?

And, should I need LibreOffice 24.2.3.2 on my Linux Mint 21.2 machine, it's
a one-click, Flathub install away. So much for the "LibreOffice advantage"
when using Gentoo. But I guess compiling applications gives Diego Garcia
something to do with his life. And, if he enjoys it and "fulfills" him in
some way, more power to him.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-06-02 3:31 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-06-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 17:29:53 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:
>>
>>> I gots to build the latest LibreOffice-24.2.3.2 and I needs this info.
>>> Thanks Gentoo.
>>>
>>> Distro lackeys can only ride along with whatever their cheap, crippled
>>> distros shove up their asses.
>>
>> Big fucking deal. My Fedora 40 KDE spin has 24.2.3.2. All I had to do was
>> run 'sudo dnf upgrade' and go do something useful while all the apps,
>> including the kernel, are updated.
>
> First question, how in the world did LibreOffice get to release 24 from
> release 7? Second question, who really cares if you have the latest version
> of LibreOffice?

They started using a version system similar to that of Ubuntu. To be
honest, I rather like it. Much like Windows *95*, it's comprehensible.

> And, should I need LibreOffice 24.2.3.2 on my Linux Mint 21.2 machine, it's
> a one-click, Flathub install away. So much for the "LibreOffice advantage"
> when using Gentoo. But I guess compiling applications gives Diego Garcia
> something to do with his life. And, if he enjoys it and "fulfills" him in
> some way, more power to him.

Larry Pietraskiewicz has the Polish mentality wherein we are not happy
unless we are fixing something. By constantly being in a state where
anything can break at any moment, Larry must be in heaven with Gentoo.

On 2024-06-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-06-02 3:31 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-06-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 17:29:53 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>>> I gots to build the latest LibreOffice-24.2.3.2 and I needs this info.
>>>> Thanks Gentoo.
>>>>
>>>> Distro lackeys can only ride along with whatever their cheap, crippled
>>>> distros shove up their asses.
>>>
>>> Big fucking deal. My Fedora 40 KDE spin has 24.2.3.2. All I had to do was
>>> run 'sudo dnf upgrade' and go do something useful while all the apps,
>>> including the kernel, are updated.
>>
>> First question, how in the world did LibreOffice get to release 24 from
>> release 7? Second question, who really cares if you have the latest version
>> of LibreOffice?
>
> They started using a version system similar to that of Ubuntu. To be
> honest, I rather like it. Much like Windows *95*, it's comprehensible.

What's incomprehensible about a release number that follows the last release
number, like 8 after 7? But, oddly enough, until I read your post I didn't
see any point jumping 17 versions. It was not comprehensible to me. So what
happens in 2524?

>> And, should I need LibreOffice 24.2.3.2 on my Linux Mint 21.2 machine, it's
>> a one-click, Flathub install away. So much for the "LibreOffice advantage"
>> when using Gentoo. But I guess compiling applications gives Diego Garcia
>> something to do with his life. And, if he enjoys it and "fulfills" him in
>> some way, more power to him.
>
> Larry Pietraskiewicz has the Polish mentality wherein we are not happy
> unless we are fixing something. By constantly being in a state where
> anything can break at any moment, Larry must be in heaven with Gentoo.

If that's the case, I would suggest you buy British cars and motorcycles (if
there are still any made in England). I liked my Sunbeam Alpine and my
Triumph Bonneville, but they definitely required constant tinkering. Fun to
drive/ride though.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-06-02 9:41 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-06-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-06-02 3:31 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 17:29:53 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I gots to build the latest LibreOffice-24.2.3.2 and I needs this info.
>>>>> Thanks Gentoo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Distro lackeys can only ride along with whatever their cheap, crippled
>>>>> distros shove up their asses.
>>>>
>>>> Big fucking deal. My Fedora 40 KDE spin has 24.2.3.2. All I had to do was
>>>> run 'sudo dnf upgrade' and go do something useful while all the apps,
>>>> including the kernel, are updated.
>>>
>>> First question, how in the world did LibreOffice get to release 24 from
>>> release 7? Second question, who really cares if you have the latest version
>>> of LibreOffice?
>>
>> They started using a version system similar to that of Ubuntu. To be
>> honest, I rather like it. Much like Windows *95*, it's comprehensible.
>
> What's incomprehensible about a release number that follows the last release
> number, like 8 after 7? But, oddly enough, until I read your post I didn't
> see any point jumping 17 versions. It was not comprehensible to me. So what
> happens in 2524?

People don't follow a program's history, so they won't know that version
8 is current unless they look it up. However, 24.06 means that it came
out in 2024 in June, and anyone can understand that.

>>> And, should I need LibreOffice 24.2.3.2 on my Linux Mint 21.2 machine, it's
>>> a one-click, Flathub install away. So much for the "LibreOffice advantage"
>>> when using Gentoo. But I guess compiling applications gives Diego Garcia
>>> something to do with his life. And, if he enjoys it and "fulfills" him in
>>> some way, more power to him.
>>
>> Larry Pietraskiewicz has the Polish mentality wherein we are not happy
>> unless we are fixing something. By constantly being in a state where
>> anything can break at any moment, Larry must be in heaven with Gentoo.
>
> If that's the case, I would suggest you buy British cars and motorcycles (if
> there are still any made in England). I liked my Sunbeam Alpine and my
> Triumph Bonneville, but they definitely required constant tinkering. Fun to
> drive/ride though.<

I like my Japanese cars. German cars are more fun to drive, but I don't
want to be in the shop at all times. The Japanese culture and work ethic
is something I admire and I trust the fruit of their labour.

On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 13:41:25 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> If that's the case, I would suggest you buy British cars and motorcycles
> (if there are still any made in England). I liked my Sunbeam Alpine and
> my Triumph Bonneville, but they definitely required constant tinkering.
> Fun to drive/ride though.

You have to pick carefully to avoid Thairumphs.

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/features/bikes/where-
was-your-triumph-motorcycle-made

So what bikes are assembled here in the UK?

“The Speed Triples, Tiger Sports, Explorers, Rocket IIIs and Daytonas. The
decision of what to build where comes partly from logistics – if the vast
majority of the market is Europe or US based, it makes more sense to
manufacture in the UK. If the volume is elsewhere, it might make more
sense to build it in Thailand.

The Norton relaunch ended in embezzlement and fraud. TVS (India) bought
the smoking wreckage and the Commandos are back in production made in the
UK.

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/bikes/norton-commando-961-first-
look-2023/

I don't think they've made it to the US yet. I'm not sure about British
cars, or at least British badges. I'm not sure the Brits actually own any
of them, which may be an improvement. I never had a Brit bike but I did
have the requisite sports car, a AH Sprite. It was fun at the time.

That jogged my memory. I'd added two decals in front of each door, a US
flag upside down. Nothing has changed.

On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 11:03:51 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> I like my Japanese cars. German cars are more fun to drive, but I don't
> want to be in the shop at all times. The Japanese culture and work ethic
> is something I admire and I trust the fruit of their labour.

In the last 25 years I've been through 3 Toyotas and a rebadged Suzuki. I
liked the Suzuki but they screwed up their car division so I switched to
Toyota. I do have 2 Suzuki bikes since that division survived.

My German car was an Audi. They must have vastly improved since they're
still in business. It was the most uncomfortable car I've ever driven with
heavily sculpted bucket seats that might have worked for somebody but not
me. The '74 55 mph national speed limit didn't help. The gearing was never
designed to cruise at 55.

I've been the Italian sports car route. Stylish, quirky engineering, and
very high maintenance like Italian women.

On 2024-06-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-06-02 9:41 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-06-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-02 3:31 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 17:29:53 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I gots to build the latest LibreOffice-24.2.3.2 and I needs this info.
>>>>>> Thanks Gentoo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Distro lackeys can only ride along with whatever their cheap, crippled
>>>>>> distros shove up their asses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Big fucking deal. My Fedora 40 KDE spin has 24.2.3.2. All I had to do was
>>>>> run 'sudo dnf upgrade' and go do something useful while all the apps,
>>>>> including the kernel, are updated.
>>>>
>>>> First question, how in the world did LibreOffice get to release 24 from
>>>> release 7? Second question, who really cares if you have the latest version
>>>> of LibreOffice?
>>>
>>> They started using a version system similar to that of Ubuntu. To be
>>> honest, I rather like it. Much like Windows *95*, it's comprehensible.
>>
>> What's incomprehensible about a release number that follows the last release
>> number, like 8 after 7? But, oddly enough, until I read your post I didn't
>> see any point jumping 17 versions. It was not comprehensible to me. So what
>> happens in 2524?
>
> People don't follow a program's history, so they won't know that version
> 8 is current unless they look it up. However, 24.06 means that it came
> out in 2024 in June, and anyone can understand that.

I understand what you're saying, but I'm smart enough to know that version 7
follows version 6 and version 8 would have followed version 7. But it's
their choice. I'm just saying it made no sense to me until you mentioned
Ubuntu, I didn't even connect "24" with 2024.

>>>> And, should I need LibreOffice 24.2.3.2 on my Linux Mint 21.2 machine, it's
>>>> a one-click, Flathub install away. So much for the "LibreOffice advantage"
>>>> when using Gentoo. But I guess compiling applications gives Diego Garcia
>>>> something to do with his life. And, if he enjoys it and "fulfills" him in
>>>> some way, more power to him.
>>>
>>> Larry Pietraskiewicz has the Polish mentality wherein we are not happy
>>> unless we are fixing something. By constantly being in a state where
>>> anything can break at any moment, Larry must be in heaven with Gentoo.
>>
>> If that's the case, I would suggest you buy British cars and motorcycles (if
>> there are still any made in England). I liked my Sunbeam Alpine and my
>> Triumph Bonneville, but they definitely required constant tinkering. Fun to
>> drive/ride though.<
>
> I like my Japanese cars. German cars are more fun to drive, but I don't
> want to be in the shop at all times. The Japanese culture and work ethic
> is something I admire and I trust the fruit of their labour.

We've got a Dodge Caravan now. It's a good solid vehicle that "feels" bigger
than it is. Before that we had Hyundai which, in my opinion, was a piece of
crap. I haven't owned or driven a Japanese car in a long time. The last one
we owned was a Honda Accord, which was well built. (That's about my only
experience with a Japanese car.)

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-06-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 13:41:25 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> If that's the case, I would suggest you buy British cars and motorcycles
>> (if there are still any made in England). I liked my Sunbeam Alpine and
>> my Triumph Bonneville, but they definitely required constant tinkering.
>> Fun to drive/ride though.
>
> You have to pick carefully to avoid Thairumphs.
>
> https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/features/bikes/where-
> was-your-triumph-motorcycle-made
>
> So what bikes are assembled here in the UK?
>
> “The Speed Triples, Tiger Sports, Explorers, Rocket IIIs and Daytonas. The
> decision of what to build where comes partly from logistics – if the vast
> majority of the market is Europe or US based, it makes more sense to
> manufacture in the UK. If the volume is elsewhere, it might make more
> sense to build it in Thailand.

I haven't really looked into Triumphs for a long while, I didn't know if
they were still made in England or not. They still look good in the ads. But
the cost is absurd now.

I liked my Bonneville, but I would have to take the brake shoes off the back
wheel about every week and sand them down, otherwise it would squawk every
time I hit the brakes. But the chrome and paint were very nice, and it
handled great on the road. The weight was low and the wheelbase was long.
Accelerated very quickly.

My twin brother owned a Triumph Trident. That one had a higher top end, but
I only rode it one time. I opened it up and was driving about 90 mph when
the throttle stuck. Nothing like trying to stear it at 90 mph with one hand
while using the other hand to try to unstick the throttle. But my brother
rode that bike all over the west and got more use out of it than I got out
of my Bonneville.

Before the Triumph, I owned three different Aermacchi "Harley-Davidsons." I
bought a 125cc Rapido on time while working at McDonalds in Great Falls at
16 years old. It was originally an Italian race bike. The Harley dealers
weren't that fond of these small bikes that got foisted on them, but Harley
had their own financing (Kilborn Finance) and insurance divisions and they
were easy to buy. I rode that bike for awhile than traded it in for a new
350cc Sprint, which was also originally a race bike. (Relatively famous one
for its division.) The weight in these was low and they had a long wheel
base, so the handled extremely well. One time a guy at work wanted to try
out my Sprint as he owned a Honda 350. So we were going to ride each other's
bikes. I made it as far as a corner in the parking lot and almost tipped the
damn thing over — the weight was high and the wheelbase was short. I told
him you can ride the Sprint but that was as far as I was going on the Honda.

While I owned the Sprint, Harley cleared out the 100cc Bajas (which were
known as desert racers that did pretty well in the Baja 1000). I didn't ride
this one much, but did take it out in the Montana mountains a few times.
Engine was very high off the ground. When coming down the road I had gone up
earlier, a tree had fallen over the trail — I rode right over it without
crashing. The Baja was made kind of like a "trials" bike.

And that's all four of my motorcycles. Owned them all in about an 8 year span
(from 16 to 24 years old). Motorcycles weren't that practical as your only
vehicle in Montana (and later Nebraska, where I went to "college" —
glorified Sunday school).

> The Norton relaunch ended in embezzlement and fraud. TVS (India) bought
> the smoking wreckage and the Commandos are back in production made in the
> UK.
>
> https://www.cycleworld.com/story/bikes/norton-commando-961-first-
> look-2023/

My dad almost bought a Commando when Norton went out of business (the original
factory). They were clearing them out cheap at the time.

> I don't think they've made it to the US yet. I'm not sure about British
> cars, or at least British badges. I'm not sure the Brits actually own any
> of them, which may be an improvement. I never had a Brit bike but I did
> have the requisite sports car, a AH Sprite. It was fun at the time.
>
> That jogged my memory. I'd added two decals in front of each door, a US
> flag upside down. Nothing has changed.

The Alpine was "hatchback" coupe but it ran like a sports car. It was
originally my dad's.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 23:16:04 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Before the Triumph, I owned three different Aermacchi
> "Harley-Davidsons." I bought a 125cc Rapido on time while working at
> McDonalds in Great Falls at 16 years old. It was originally an Italian
> race bike.

You meet the nicest people on an Aermacchi! I remember seeing them on what
I think was my first and only trip to the local HD dealership. The saleman
pointed me at them when all I wanted was a service manual for my '55 FLH.

Even back then a Harley cost as much as a mid-range sedan and the
clientele tended to be older and have disposable income. I was 18, poor,
and 1% material. Didn't fit the demographic. Lucky for me Brownie Betar
was an Indian dealer after the last Indian died and didn't mind helping
out a kid trying to patch together an old Harley,

https://www.cyclenews.com/2016/06/article/archives-indian-loyalist-
brownie-betar/

You probably had the better deal. When i called the family insurance man
he asked what the displacement was. I said '74', and he asked 'ccs'?'
'Er, no..'

On 2024-06-02 6:20 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-06-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-06-02 9:41 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-02 3:31 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-06-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 17:29:53 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I gots to build the latest LibreOffice-24.2.3.2 and I needs this info.
>>>>>>> Thanks Gentoo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Distro lackeys can only ride along with whatever their cheap, crippled
>>>>>>> distros shove up their asses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Big fucking deal. My Fedora 40 KDE spin has 24.2.3.2. All I had to do was
>>>>>> run 'sudo dnf upgrade' and go do something useful while all the apps,
>>>>>> including the kernel, are updated.
>>>>>
>>>>> First question, how in the world did LibreOffice get to release 24 from
>>>>> release 7? Second question, who really cares if you have the latest version
>>>>> of LibreOffice?
>>>>
>>>> They started using a version system similar to that of Ubuntu. To be
>>>> honest, I rather like it. Much like Windows *95*, it's comprehensible.
>>>
>>> What's incomprehensible about a release number that follows the last release
>>> number, like 8 after 7? But, oddly enough, until I read your post I didn't
>>> see any point jumping 17 versions. It was not comprehensible to me. So what
>>> happens in 2524?
>>
>> People don't follow a program's history, so they won't know that version
>> 8 is current unless they look it up. However, 24.06 means that it came
>> out in 2024 in June, and anyone can understand that.
>
> I understand what you're saying, but I'm smart enough to know that version 7
> follows version 6 and version 8 would have followed version 7. But it's
> their choice. I'm just saying it made no sense to me until you mentioned
> Ubuntu, I didn't even connect "24" with 2024.

My point is that people don't follow version numbers before deciding to
download or buy a program.

>>>>> And, should I need LibreOffice 24.2.3.2 on my Linux Mint 21.2 machine, it's
>>>>> a one-click, Flathub install away. So much for the "LibreOffice advantage"
>>>>> when using Gentoo. But I guess compiling applications gives Diego Garcia
>>>>> something to do with his life. And, if he enjoys it and "fulfills" him in
>>>>> some way, more power to him.
>>>>
>>>> Larry Pietraskiewicz has the Polish mentality wherein we are not happy
>>>> unless we are fixing something. By constantly being in a state where
>>>> anything can break at any moment, Larry must be in heaven with Gentoo.
>>>
>>> If that's the case, I would suggest you buy British cars and motorcycles (if
>>> there are still any made in England). I liked my Sunbeam Alpine and my
>>> Triumph Bonneville, but they definitely required constant tinkering. Fun to
>>> drive/ride though.<
>>
>> I like my Japanese cars. German cars are more fun to drive, but I don't
>> want to be in the shop at all times. The Japanese culture and work ethic
>> is something I admire and I trust the fruit of their labour.
>
> We've got a Dodge Caravan now. It's a good solid vehicle that "feels" bigger
> than it is. Before that we had Hyundai which, in my opinion, was a piece of
> crap. I haven't owned or driven a Japanese car in a long time. The last one
> we owned was a Honda Accord, which was well built. (That's about my only
> experience with a Japanese car.)

I wouldn't touch a Dodge Caravan here anymore. Those things are
exclusively purchased by Muslims whose only purpose in life is to
procreate in an effort to breed out non-Muslims. I've also noticed that
Chrysler-Fiat vehicles very quickly develop an issue where the wheels
make a noise while driving, even when the bearings are fine.

On 2024-06-03, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 23:16:04 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> Before the Triumph, I owned three different Aermacchi
>> "Harley-Davidsons." I bought a 125cc Rapido on time while working at
>> McDonalds in Great Falls at 16 years old. It was originally an Italian
>> race bike.
>
> You meet the nicest people on an Aermacchi! I remember seeing them on what
> I think was my first and only trip to the local HD dealership. The saleman
> pointed me at them when all I wanted was a service manual for my '55 FLH.
>
> Even back then a Harley cost as much as a mid-range sedan and the
> clientele tended to be older and have disposable income. I was 18, poor,
> and 1% material. Didn't fit the demographic. Lucky for me Brownie Betar
> was an Indian dealer after the last Indian died and didn't mind helping
> out a kid trying to patch together an old Harley,

The "real" Harley-Davidsons always were out of my price range. This was the
era of the AMF Harley-Davidsons. I never really understood how a bowling
alley machine company got involved with motorcycles. (I guess they did more
than bowling alleys, but that's all I really ever saw of them, besides
Harleys of those years.)

> https://www.cyclenews.com/2016/06/article/archives-indian-loyalist-
> brownie-betar/

Copied and bookmarked. Thanks.

> You probably had the better deal. When i called the family insurance man
> he asked what the displacement was. I said '74', and he asked 'ccs'?'
> 'Er, no..'

It would have tempting... Uh... yeah... that's it, 74cc's.

Back then the insurance payments were next to nothing. Of course they had to
be, I was making a whopping $1.65 an hour at McDonalds — and that was after
my five cent raise. But that was a different era. I think my dad made about
$2.25 ($2.50?) an hour at an Auto Parts Store at that time, and that
actually paid his rent and expenses.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-06-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-06-02 6:20 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-06-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-02 9:41 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-06-02 3:31 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-06-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 17:29:53 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I gots to build the latest LibreOffice-24.2.3.2 and I needs this info.
>>>>>>>> Thanks Gentoo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Distro lackeys can only ride along with whatever their cheap, crippled
>>>>>>>> distros shove up their asses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Big fucking deal. My Fedora 40 KDE spin has 24.2.3.2. All I had to do was
>>>>>>> run 'sudo dnf upgrade' and go do something useful while all the apps,
>>>>>>> including the kernel, are updated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First question, how in the world did LibreOffice get to release 24 from
>>>>>> release 7? Second question, who really cares if you have the latest version
>>>>>> of LibreOffice?
>>>>>
>>>>> They started using a version system similar to that of Ubuntu. To be
>>>>> honest, I rather like it. Much like Windows *95*, it's comprehensible.
>>>>
>>>> What's incomprehensible about a release number that follows the last release
>>>> number, like 8 after 7? But, oddly enough, until I read your post I didn't
>>>> see any point jumping 17 versions. It was not comprehensible to me. So what
>>>> happens in 2524?
>>>
>>> People don't follow a program's history, so they won't know that version
>>> 8 is current unless they look it up. However, 24.06 means that it came
>>> out in 2024 in June, and anyone can understand that.
>>
>> I understand what you're saying, but I'm smart enough to know that version 7
>> follows version 6 and version 8 would have followed version 7. But it's
>> their choice. I'm just saying it made no sense to me until you mentioned
>> Ubuntu, I didn't even connect "24" with 2024.
>
> My point is that people don't follow version numbers before deciding to
> download or buy a program.

I follow version numbers before I download and install free applications,
like LibreOffice. (Or, in my case, get updates.) I usually know what version
I'm using, so a 17 number jump is a bit confusing (at first).

>>>>>> And, should I need LibreOffice 24.2.3.2 on my Linux Mint 21.2 machine, it's
>>>>>> a one-click, Flathub install away. So much for the "LibreOffice advantage"
>>>>>> when using Gentoo. But I guess compiling applications gives Diego Garcia
>>>>>> something to do with his life. And, if he enjoys it and "fulfills" him in
>>>>>> some way, more power to him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry Pietraskiewicz has the Polish mentality wherein we are not happy
>>>>> unless we are fixing something. By constantly being in a state where
>>>>> anything can break at any moment, Larry must be in heaven with Gentoo.
>>>>
>>>> If that's the case, I would suggest you buy British cars and motorcycles (if
>>>> there are still any made in England). I liked my Sunbeam Alpine and my
>>>> Triumph Bonneville, but they definitely required constant tinkering. Fun to
>>>> drive/ride though.<
>>>
>>> I like my Japanese cars. German cars are more fun to drive, but I don't
>>> want to be in the shop at all times. The Japanese culture and work ethic
>>> is something I admire and I trust the fruit of their labour.
>>
>> We've got a Dodge Caravan now. It's a good solid vehicle that "feels" bigger
>> than it is. Before that we had Hyundai which, in my opinion, was a piece of
>> crap. I haven't owned or driven a Japanese car in a long time. The last one
>> we owned was a Honda Accord, which was well built. (That's about my only
>> experience with a Japanese car.)
>
> I wouldn't touch a Dodge Caravan here anymore. Those things are
> exclusively purchased by Muslims whose only purpose in life is to
> procreate in an effort to breed out non-Muslims. I've also noticed that
> Chrysler-Fiat vehicles very quickly develop an issue where the wheels
> make a noise while driving, even when the bearings are fine.

The design of the Dodge Caravan is pre-Fiat and what Muslims do with them
doesn't concern me — as I'm not a Muslim. The Caravan has been a good,
comfortable car, with enough room for my whole family.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 15:35:33 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> The "real" Harley-Davidsons always were out of my price range. This was
> the era of the AMF Harley-Davidsons. I never really understood how a
> bowling alley machine company got involved with motorcycles. (I guess
> they did more than bowling alleys, but that's all I really ever saw of
> them, besides Harleys of those years.)

If you really don't want to sleep well consider that AMF was also in the
nuclear reactor business.

https://www.ans.org/news/article-4401/nc-states-pulstar-reactor-wins-doe-
award-to-coincide-with-50th-anniversary/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306454908000157

AMF couldn't work out a fixed price with the AEC and withdrew from this
one.

https://premierenergyusa.com/demolition-of-nuclear-power-plant-in-elk-
river-mn-in-1972/

They had their finger in a lot of pies, mostly recreational equipment. The
AMF years had a silver lining for Harley. AMF replaced the aging machinery
with NC machines so when the buy back happened in '81 they had modern
equipment. When AMF bought them in '69 it was a fire sale with HD about to
go under.

I bought my Sportster in '97 and it's been reliable as bikes go. I
replaced a throwout bearing and the ignition module but otherwise it's
been the usual maintenance stuff. The LED odometer is washed out unless
it's above 80 degrees but I rigged a cheap bicycle computer to keep track
of mileage.

On 2024-06-03, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 15:35:33 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> The "real" Harley-Davidsons always were out of my price range. This was
>> the era of the AMF Harley-Davidsons. I never really understood how a
>> bowling alley machine company got involved with motorcycles. (I guess
>> they did more than bowling alleys, but that's all I really ever saw of
>> them, besides Harleys of those years.)
>
> If you really don't want to sleep well consider that AMF was also in the
> nuclear reactor business.
>
> https://www.ans.org/news/article-4401/nc-states-pulstar-reactor-wins-doe-
> award-to-coincide-with-50th-anniversary/
>
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306454908000157
>
> AMF couldn't work out a fixed price with the AEC and withdrew from this
> one.
>
> https://premierenergyusa.com/demolition-of-nuclear-power-plant-in-elk-
> river-mn-in-1972/
>
> They had their finger in a lot of pies, mostly recreational equipment. The
> AMF years had a silver lining for Harley. AMF replaced the aging machinery
> with NC machines so when the buy back happened in '81 they had modern
> equipment. When AMF bought them in '69 it was a fire sale with HD about to
> go under.
>
> I bought my Sportster in '97 and it's been reliable as bikes go. I
> replaced a throwout bearing and the ignition module but otherwise it's
> been the usual maintenance stuff. The LED odometer is washed out unless
> it's above 80 degrees but I rigged a cheap bicycle computer to keep track
> of mileage.

I just read Wikipedia's entry on AMF. Looks like they were a victim of
industry moving overseas (cheap labor) and yet another leveraged buyout from
the 80s. (Thanks Reagan.) I had no idea all the markets they were in,
including Voit balls and Roadmaster bicycles.

BTW, I read your article on the Indian motorcycle dealer. I'm guessing you
actually met this guy. Interesting story.

I was looking at modern motorcycles a few months ago out of curiosity. It
looks like some of them are now up about 2000cc's. What in the world for?
They were already huge at 1200 and 1000cc's.

--
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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
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rbowman wrote:

>In the last 25 years I've been through 3 Toyotas and a rebadged Suzuki. I
>liked the Suzuki but they screwed up their car division so I switched to
>Toyota. I do have 2 Suzuki bikes since that division survived.
>
>My German car was an Audi. They must have vastly improved since they're
>still in business. It was the most uncomfortable car I've ever driven with
>heavily sculpted bucket seats that might have worked for somebody but not
>me. The '74 55 mph national speed limit didn't help. The gearing was never
>designed to cruise at 55.

I've mostly driven Japanese cars (and always Japanese motorcycles),
but I did live dangerously once and bought a BMW, a 2000 323i sedan.
Great car, almost perfect in design and execution. Maintenance was
expensive but it was reliable.

Now I'm old and boring, and want something that only the Japanese can
make it seems - a car that just goes and goes with only fluid changes.
I still drive a RWD "sport sedan" but it is out-performed by the
German cars. The BMW turbo inline-6 is a phenomenal engine.

>I've been the Italian sports car route. Stylish, quirky engineering, and
>very high maintenance like Italian women.

I would never go there. From what I've read, the Alfa Romeo Guila may
be the best sport sedan made, but of course not known for it's
reliability.

On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 19:38:12 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Now I'm old and boring, and want something that only the Japanese can
> make it seems - a car that just goes and goes with only fluid changes.
> I still drive a RWD "sport sedan" but it is out-performed by the German
> cars. The BMW turbo inline-6 is a phenomenal engine.

I do my own maintenance and the schedule certainly is boring. Change the
oil and filter every 5000 miles. iirc for the 2007 model you were
supposed to change the coolant at 100,000 but I don't see that anymore.

>>I've been the Italian sports car route. Stylish, quirky engineering, and
>>very high maintenance like Italian women.
>
> I would never go there. From what I've read, the Alfa Romeo Guila may
> be the best sport sedan made, but of course not known for it's
> reliability.

I still have some scars from a Giulietta Sprint. It wasn't my car and I
wasn't driving but they don't hold up very well when you roll them. I'd
also rebuilt the engine on one for a friend. They had wet cylinders so you
had to buy matched cylinders and pistons, not just a bore with oversized
pistons. The DOHC had a tensioner that could take a finger off if you
weren't careful. The same friend that rolled his later bought another to
restore. One reassembly he blew the cam timing. It was an interference
engine unfortunately. A thing of beauty, should have been a museum
exhibit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_Twin_Cam_engine

Being a slow learner I bought a Fiat 124 Spider. Visiting hours were
between 4 and 6 on Wednesdays. After a very heated discussion we reached
an agreement where I got the '73 Mustang loaner I'd been driving while
they tried to sort out the Spider and they could shove the Fiat. I really
liked the Mustang. '73 was the last year before Ford shrunk it to the
Mustang II, which was a Pinto with lipstick.

On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 23:24:03 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> BTW, I read your article on the Indian motorcycle dealer. I'm guessing
> you actually met this guy. Interesting story.

Brownie? You bet. The Harley dealer was almost as boutiquey as they are
now. Brownie operated out of a store front with an oil soaked floor and
packed with Indian parts but he also had some Harley stuff he'd picked up
or could suggest a workaround. The clientele wasn't exactly Ward Cleaver
types. Even better it was a few blocks from my girlfriend's house.

> I was looking at modern motorcycles a few months ago out of curiosity.
> It looks like some of them are now up about 2000cc's. What in the world
> for? They were already huge at 1200 and 1000cc's.

The Triumph Rocket 3 is leading the pack with just under 2500 cc, afaik.
It's svelte compared to the earlier Rocket III that was 2300 cc and
weighted a little over 800 pounds. I've seen a III and it was huge.

My Sportster is an 883. I'd originally planned to take it out to 1200 and
hotrod it but I never got around to it. 'Hot' is relative with Harleys. My
box stock 650 cc V-Strom is good for 120 if you're patient and the wind is
going in the right direction. That's fast enough for me. 0 to 60 is a
bout 4 seconds and the 1/4 mile is in the 12 second range, again fast
enough for an old fart. It would take a few thousand to do that with a
Sporty.

rbowman wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> Now I'm old and boring, and want something that only the Japanese can
>> make it seems - a car that just goes and goes with only fluid changes.
>> I still drive a RWD "sport sedan" but it is out-performed by the German
>> cars. The BMW turbo inline-6 is a phenomenal engine.
>
>I do my own maintenance and the schedule certainly is boring. Change the
>oil and filter every 5000 miles. iirc for the 2007 model you were
>supposed to change the coolant at 100,000 but I don't see that anymore.

With my BMW I just took it to the dealer when the service light lit up
and let them do whatever they wanted. It alternated between a
"service 1" and a more-extensive "service 2". They were more than
just oil changes...

Occasionally other items, such as brakes or front suspension arms.
The price you paid for that wonderful suspension, sporty but
compliant, was suspension bushings that don't last long. Some things
also broke or leaked or went wrong over the course of 17 years (!),
but nothing hugely expensive.

rbowman wrote:

> RonB wrote:
>>
>> I was looking at modern motorcycles a few months ago out of curiosity.
>> It looks like some of them are now up about 2000cc's. What in the world
>> for? They were already huge at 1200 and 1000cc's.
>
>The Triumph Rocket 3 is leading the pack with just under 2500 cc, afaik.
>It's svelte compared to the earlier Rocket III that was 2300 cc and
>weighted a little over 800 pounds. I've seen a III and it was huge.

A hideous pig of a motorcycle.

BMW recently said "We can build hideous pigs too!" with their 761
pound R18.

https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/models/heritage/r18.html

>My box stock 650 cc V-Strom is good for 120 if you're patient and the wind
>is going in the right direction. That's fast enough for me. 0 to 60 is a
>bout 4 seconds and the 1/4 mile is in the 12 second range, again fast
>enough for an old fart.

Same with my SV650, which I _finally_ got a windshield for, this year.
Tired of fighting the wind, especially on the freeway.

On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 16:07:29 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Same with my SV650, which I _finally_ got a windshield for, this year.
> Tired of fighting the wind, especially on the freeway.

I was surprised how much the plastic on the V-Strom helps. I'd tried
handlebar mounted windscreens and they can be worse than nothing in gusty
crosswinds. I've got a BajaWorx on the DR650 that is mostly an extension
of the little fairing above the headlight. It's not too bad. DOT knobbies
and a 650 cc thumper don't add to the creature comforts on the freeway
anyway.

https://www.bajaworx.com/rally-windshield.html

The windshield experiment on the Sportster didn't work well using a
generic National model I had on the Yamaha.

The first few times on the V-Strom felt a little weird when the bars
turned but the windshield didn't but it works well.

On 6/4/2024 8:00 AM, shitv wrote:

> The price you paid for that wonderful suspension, sporty but
> compliant, was suspension bushings that don't last long.

You replace them yourself, right? Tell us you don't pay a BMW
stealership $600 to replace four $5 rubber sway bar bushings.

That's a DIY job, even on BMWs or Porsches. You buy a floor jack and
jackstands and a ratchet and you fix it yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcUTlVpZ_Mg

Late last year I replaced all 4 sway bar bushings and stabilizer links
on my old Explorer for the cost of the parts and a long-handle 15mm
wrench: about $70 total (Amazon and AutoZone).

A local Ford dealer wanted $1200 for parts and labor. Not kidding.
For a vehicle worth $200 on the Carvana website. Also not kidding.

Yeah it was dirty, hard work on the floor of my garage. Probably 8
hours total.

All the old rubber was hard, crumbling or missing / disintegrated; the
difference in handling was night and day.