On 2024-05-31 9:38 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 31 May 2024 21:12:35 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> On 2024-05-31 8:20 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 31 May 2024 06:21:28 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Abortion is child sacrifice, no matter how you look at it.
>>>
>>> Does “life begins at conception” only apply in a woman’s body? Or does
>>> it apply in a Petri dish as well?
>>
>> I already asked you to refer to Catholic doctrine for my answer.
>
> That’s one way of dodging the question, when the logical contradictions in
> your ideology are exposed.

No shits given.

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Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 6/1/24 3:24 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>On 01 Jun 2024 02:15:59 GMT, Joel Crump wrote:
>
>> IVF is a logical use of technology, antiabortion retards pretend that
>> frozen embryos are children, and they need to kill themselves for utter
>> hopeless stupidity.
>
>Not to mention the sheer biological impossibilities arising from the
>religious assumption of “one soul, one conception”.

Embryos, already, having a linked soul is bona fide voodoo. Sane
spiritualists raise their eyebrows, at useless morons who try to force that
craziness on society.

--
Joel W. Crump

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> On 2024-05-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-05-31, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 31 May 2024 04:59:50 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Killing your unborn child as a form of "birth control" is not a
>>>>> constitutionally protected right.
>>>>
>>>> Are you against IVF as well? Or does “life begin at conception” only apply
>>>> in a woman’s body, not in a test-tube?
>>>
>>> Not speaking for Tyrone but, yes, I'm against IVF for the same reason I'm
>>> against abortion. It kills a living human being.
>>
>> The purpose of IVF is to generate an embryo and potential human being.
>>
>> As in real life, not all eggs get fertilized; they are flushed out during
>> menstruation.
>
> In IVF multiple humans are conceived and, since they don't need that many,
> most are killed. Humans dying by accident is one thing. Killing them
> intentionally is murder.

No it isn't. For one thing, they are not "human". Left alone the cells would
die. For another thing, we sanction killing via the death penalty,
self-defense, or in war.

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On 2024-06-01, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-05-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-05-31, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 31 May 2024 04:59:50 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Killing your unborn child as a form of "birth control" is not a
>>>>>> constitutionally protected right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you against IVF as well? Or does “life begin at conception” only apply
>>>>> in a woman’s body, not in a test-tube?
>>>>
>>>> Not speaking for Tyrone but, yes, I'm against IVF for the same reason I'm
>>>> against abortion. It kills a living human being.
>>>
>>> The purpose of IVF is to generate an embryo and potential human being.
>>>
>>> As in real life, not all eggs get fertilized; they are flushed out during
>>> menstruation.
>>
>> In IVF multiple humans are conceived and, since they don't need that many,
>> most are killed. Humans dying by accident is one thing. Killing them
>> intentionally is murder.
>
> No it isn't. For one thing, they are not "human". Left alone the cells would
> die. For another thing, we sanction killing via the death penalty,
> self-defense, or in war.

What an idiotic comment. Any human being left alone (without warmth and
nourishment) will die — no matter old or how young. Killing an unborn baby
is not self-defense or war, it's called murder. Your point?

And again I ask, why is a bald eagle egg protected by Federal law in the
United States? It's just an egg, right? Why is an eagle egg protected by
law, but a human fetus is not?

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-06-01 8:46 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-05-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-05-31, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 31 May 2024 04:59:50 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Killing your unborn child as a form of "birth control" is not a
>>>>>> constitutionally protected right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you against IVF as well? Or does “life begin at conception” only apply
>>>>> in a woman’s body, not in a test-tube?
>>>>
>>>> Not speaking for Tyrone but, yes, I'm against IVF for the same reason I'm
>>>> against abortion. It kills a living human being.
>>>
>>> The purpose of IVF is to generate an embryo and potential human being.
>>>
>>> As in real life, not all eggs get fertilized; they are flushed out during
>>> menstruation.
>>
>> In IVF multiple humans are conceived and, since they don't need that many,
>> most are killed. Humans dying by accident is one thing. Killing them
>> intentionally is murder.
>
> No it isn't. For one thing, they are not "human". Left alone the cells would
> die. For another thing, we sanction killing via the death penalty,
> self-defense, or in war.

In the first case, you're killing innocent, vulnerable people with no
defense whatsoever. In the second, you're killing something which is
trying to kill you. Yes, even the people getting the death penalty.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 06:34:17 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2024-05-31 9:38 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 31 May 2024 21:12:35 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-05-31 8:20 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 31 May 2024 06:21:28 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Abortion is child sacrifice, no matter how you look at it.
>>>>
>>>> Does “life begins at conception” only apply in a woman’s body? Or
>>>> does it apply in a Petri dish as well?
>>>
>>> I already asked you to refer to Catholic doctrine for my answer.
>>
>> That’s one way of dodging the question, when the logical contradictions
>> in your ideology are exposed.
>
> No shits given.

Would you consent to yourself and your spouse, or some other member of
your family, having IVF?

On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 06:33:57 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2024-05-31 9:37 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 31 May 2024 21:10:10 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>>> In IVF multiple humans are conceived and, since they don't need that
>>>> many, most are killed. Humans dying by accident is one thing. Killing
>>>> them intentionally is murder.
>>>
>>> Wow, I had no idea. That is indeed monstrous.
>>
>> So you are against IVF, then? Because even most rabid anti-abortionists
>> think banning that is a step too far.
>
> No shits given.

Is the question making your head explode? Is that hair dye leaking from
your head, or something else?

On 2024-06-01, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 06:34:17 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> On 2024-05-31 9:38 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 31 May 2024 21:12:35 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-05-31 8:20 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 31 May 2024 06:21:28 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Abortion is child sacrifice, no matter how you look at it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does “life begins at conception” only apply in a woman’s body? Or
>>>>> does it apply in a Petri dish as well?
>>>>
>>>> I already asked you to refer to Catholic doctrine for my answer.
>>>
>>> That’s one way of dodging the question, when the logical contradictions
>>> in your ideology are exposed.
>>
>> No shits given.
>
> Would you consent to yourself and your spouse, or some other member of
> your family, having IVF?

Well, since I'm a man and don't have a womb (and despite Woke bullshit to
the contrary) I'm precluded from "having or consenting to an IVF." Since my
wife is her own person, it would be her choice. If my daughter was underage
(which she is not) I would not consent to it. My sons, like me, are not
delusional and would never attempt a consent to having an IVF.

I oppose IVF on the grounds that it kills (culls) human beings, but I don't
make the laws, so my consent (or lack of it) is moot.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine