Nice article
<https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/5/31/chinas-volunteer-programmers-work-in-the-shadows-to-keep-the-internet-free>
on open-source projects helping to protect various citizenry from
their own illiberal Governments. Like bypassing firewalls in China and
Iran, and using Tor to hide your access to particular Internet sites.

This could also be useful in theocracies like the USA, which are
trying to shut down abortion access for women.

Re: American "theocracies" trying to reduce abortions.

Overpopulation alarmists have ruled the West for decades now.

On May 30, 2024 at 11:20:26 PM EDT, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid>
wrote:

> Nice article
> <https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/5/31/chinas-volunteer-programmers-work-in-the-shadows-to-keep-the-internet-free>
> on open-source projects helping to protect various citizenry from
> their own illiberal Governments. Like bypassing firewalls in China and
> Iran, and using Tor to hide your access to particular Internet sites.
>
> This could also be useful in theocracies like the USA, which are
> trying to shut down abortion access for women.

Killing your unborn child as a form of "birth control" is not a
constitutionally protected right. It has been returned to individual States to
decide. Which is where it should be.

If you don't like it then feel free to amend the U.S. Constitution.

On 2024-05-31, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> Nice article
><https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/5/31/chinas-volunteer-programmers-work-in-the-shadows-to-keep-the-internet-free>
> on open-source projects helping to protect various citizenry from
> their own illiberal Governments. Like bypassing firewalls in China and
> Iran, and using Tor to hide your access to particular Internet sites.
>
> This could also be useful in theocracies like the USA, which are
> trying to shut down abortion access for women.

Yeah, we definitely don't want babies lives to be saved. That would be
barbaric!

Meanwhile breaking a bald eagle egg is a federal crime, punishable for up to
a year in prison. Why? It's just an egg.

This is the hypocritical insanity of the Woke West.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-05-31, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
> On May 30, 2024 at 11:20:26 PM EDT, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Nice article
>> <https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/5/31/chinas-volunteer-programmers-work-in-the-shadows-to-keep-the-internet-free>
>> on open-source projects helping to protect various citizenry from
>> their own illiberal Governments. Like bypassing firewalls in China and
>> Iran, and using Tor to hide your access to particular Internet sites.
>>
>> This could also be useful in theocracies like the USA, which are
>> trying to shut down abortion access for women.
>
> Killing your unborn child as a form of "birth control" is not a
> constitutionally protected right. It has been returned to individual States to
> decide. Which is where it should be.
>
> If you don't like it then feel free to amend the U.S. Constitution.

Killing living children, at any stage of their life is — at the very least —
manslaughter.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Fri, 31 May 2024 04:59:50 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

> Killing your unborn child as a form of "birth control" is not a
> constitutionally protected right.

Are you against IVF as well? Or does “life begin at conception” only apply
in a woman’s body, not in a test-tube?

On 2024-05-30 11:20 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> Nice article
> <https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/5/31/chinas-volunteer-programmers-work-in-the-shadows-to-keep-the-internet-free>
> on open-source projects helping to protect various citizenry from
> their own illiberal Governments. Like bypassing firewalls in China and
> Iran, and using Tor to hide your access to particular Internet sites.
>
> This could also be useful in theocracies like the USA, which are
> trying to shut down abortion access for women.

Abortion is child sacrifice, no matter how you look at it. If the child
is born, it is left to die; if the child is in the womb, a "doctor" rips
a child apart to kill it. Videos of an abortion show that even at that
age, the child tries to get away from a doctor's tools because it senses
danger.

If you believe that it is "freedom" to help women kill children, then
you are a monster. You can redefine morality however you wish to paint
yourself as a wholesome individual, but you are a monster.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-05-30 11:51 p.m., Relf wrote:
> Re: American "theocracies" trying to reduce abortions.
>
> Overpopulation alarmists have ruled the West for decades now.

A lot of Western nations have so far determined that a woman's
"emancipation" and feminism have produced a low birth rate for which the
obvious solution is immigration. Unfortunately for them, the potential
immigrants fleeing war-torn countries for a better life come from areas
where the IQ is low (South America, Africa) or where the religion is at
serious odds with freedom (Muslim nations in Africa and the Middle
East). In both cases, the people coming in have no interest in working,
integrating or even learning the language. The solution to the economic
troubles caused by a low birth rate would be to encourage women to start
families and have more children, but you can't do so without alienating
the original problem: women. These people have embraced a life of misery
and loneliness and ironically see families and their own reproduction as
their own destruction.

This is the West. This is what Russia is resisting.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 5/31/24 12:59 AM, Tyrone wrote:
>On May 30, 2024 at 11:20:26 PM EDT, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>> [...] theocracies like the USA, which are
>> trying to shut down abortion access for women.
>
>Killing your unborn child as a form of "birth control" is not a
>constitutionally protected right. It has been returned to individual States to
>decide. Which is where it should be.
>
>If you don't like it then feel free to amend the U.S. Constitution.

Read the 14th amendment. Read it 20 times, if you are, and you are, stupid,
you misogynist death monger. If you still stand by what you wrote, kill
yourself.

--
Joel W. Crump

On 5/31/24 6:21 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>Abortion is child sacrifice, no matter how you look at it. If the child
>is born, it is left to die; if the child is in the womb, a "doctor" rips
>a child apart to kill it. Videos of an abortion show that even at that
>age, the child tries to get away from a doctor's tools because it senses
>danger.
>
>If you believe that it is "freedom" to help women kill children, then
>you are a monster. You can redefine morality however you wish to paint
>yourself as a wholesome individual, but you are a monster.

Let pregnancy kill the pregnant person AFAB! Babies are more important!!!
Kill yourself, asswipe.

--
Joel W. Crump

On 2024-05-31, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 31 May 2024 04:59:50 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
>
>> Killing your unborn child as a form of "birth control" is not a
>> constitutionally protected right.
>
> Are you against IVF as well? Or does “life begin at conception” only apply
> in a woman’s body, not in a test-tube?

Not speaking for Tyrone but, yes, I'm against IVF for the same reason I'm
against abortion. It kills a living human being.

Would you eat an omelet made with bald eagle eggs?

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-05-31, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-30 11:51 p.m., Relf wrote:
>> Re: American "theocracies" trying to reduce abortions.
>>
>> Overpopulation alarmists have ruled the West for decades now.
>
> A lot of Western nations have so far determined that a woman's
> "emancipation" and feminism have produced a low birth rate for which the
> obvious solution is immigration. Unfortunately for them, the potential
> immigrants fleeing war-torn countries for a better life come from areas
> where the IQ is low (South America, Africa) or where the religion is at
> serious odds with freedom (Muslim nations in Africa and the Middle
> East). In both cases, the people coming in have no interest in working,
> integrating or even learning the language. The solution to the economic
> troubles caused by a low birth rate would be to encourage women to start
> families and have more children, but you can't do so without alienating
> the original problem: women. These people have embraced a life of misery
> and loneliness and ironically see families and their own reproduction as
> their own destruction.
>
> This is the West. This is what Russia is resisting.

It's being done on purpose to destroy what was formally Christendom.
Unfortunately for the String Pullers, just as they were ramping up their New
World Order, Putin came along to tear it down in Russia (and BRICS is
tearing it down all over South America, Africa, Eurasia, and most of Asia).
As usual, the Satanists have two weaknesses that keeps submarining their
world domination obsession, no sense of proportion and no sense of timing.
(Not to mention pride, hubris and false sense of entitlement.)

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-05-31, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 31 May 2024 04:59:50 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
>>
>>> Killing your unborn child as a form of "birth control" is not a
>>> constitutionally protected right.
>>
>> Are you against IVF as well? Or does “life begin at conception” only apply
>> in a woman’s body, not in a test-tube?
>
> Not speaking for Tyrone but, yes, I'm against IVF for the same reason I'm
> against abortion. It kills a living human being.

The purpose of IVF is to generate an embryo and potential human being.

As in real life, not all eggs get fertilized; they are flushed out during
menstruation.

--
Expect the worst, it's the least you can do.

Joel Crump wrote:

> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>If you believe that it is "freedom" to help women kill children, then
>>you are a monster. You can redefine morality however you wish to paint
>>yourself as a wholesome individual, but you are a monster.
>
>Let pregnancy kill the pregnant person AFAB! Babies are more important!!!
> Kill yourself, asswipe.

So "honorable" of you to rush right to the rare "when the women might
die" arguments, while ignoring the 99% that are entirely voluntary.
In some states, leftists will happily kill your baby even when it's
full term and could be born the next day!

Your response will be deleted, unread.

chrisv wrote:
> Joel Crump wrote:
>
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>> If you believe that it is "freedom" to help women kill children, then
>>> you are a monster. You can redefine morality however you wish to paint
>>> yourself as a wholesome individual, but you are a monster.
>>
>> Let pregnancy kill the pregnant person AFAB! Babies are more important!!!
>> Kill yourself, asswipe.
>
> So "honorable" of you to rush right to the rare "when the women might
> die" arguments, while ignoring the 99% that are entirely voluntary.
> In some states, leftists will happily kill your baby even when it's
> full term and could be born the next day!
>
> Your response will be deleted, unread.
>
no it won't

On 2024-05-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-05-31, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 31 May 2024 04:59:50 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
>>>
>>>> Killing your unborn child as a form of "birth control" is not a
>>>> constitutionally protected right.
>>>
>>> Are you against IVF as well? Or does “life begin at conception” only apply
>>> in a woman’s body, not in a test-tube?
>>
>> Not speaking for Tyrone but, yes, I'm against IVF for the same reason I'm
>> against abortion. It kills a living human being.
>
> The purpose of IVF is to generate an embryo and potential human being.
>
> As in real life, not all eggs get fertilized; they are flushed out during
> menstruation.

In IVF multiple humans are conceived and, since they don't need that many,
most are killed. Humans dying by accident is one thing. Killing them
intentionally is murder.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Fri, 31 May 2024 06:21:28 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> Abortion is child sacrifice, no matter how you look at it.

Does “life begins at conception” only apply in a woman’s body? Or does it
apply in a Petri dish as well?

On 2024-05-31 5:23 p.m., chrisv wrote:
> Joel Crump wrote:
>
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>> If you believe that it is "freedom" to help women kill children, then
>>> you are a monster. You can redefine morality however you wish to paint
>>> yourself as a wholesome individual, but you are a monster.
>>
>> Let pregnancy kill the pregnant person AFAB! Babies are more important!!!
>> Kill yourself, asswipe.
>
> So "honorable" of you to rush right to the rare "when the women might
> die" arguments, while ignoring the 99% that are entirely voluntary.
> In some states, leftists will happily kill your baby even when it's
> full term and could be born the next day!
>
> Your response will be deleted, unread.

99% is actually on the low end. This "woman might die if she goes
through with the pregnancy" argument rarely applies. It is only used
because the left constantly plays to people's emotions. It used to work
consistently; I don't think that it will anymore.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-05-31 5:47 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-05-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-05-31, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 31 May 2024 04:59:50 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Killing your unborn child as a form of "birth control" is not a
>>>>> constitutionally protected right.
>>>>
>>>> Are you against IVF as well? Or does “life begin at conception” only apply
>>>> in a woman’s body, not in a test-tube?
>>>
>>> Not speaking for Tyrone but, yes, I'm against IVF for the same reason I'm
>>> against abortion. It kills a living human being.
>>
>> The purpose of IVF is to generate an embryo and potential human being.
>>
>> As in real life, not all eggs get fertilized; they are flushed out during
>> menstruation.
>
> In IVF multiple humans are conceived and, since they don't need that many,
> most are killed. Humans dying by accident is one thing. Killing them
> intentionally is murder.

Wow, I had no idea. That is indeed monstrous.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-05-31 8:20 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 31 May 2024 06:21:28 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> Abortion is child sacrifice, no matter how you look at it.
>
> Does “life begins at conception” only apply in a woman’s body? Or does it
> apply in a Petri dish as well?

I already asked you to refer to Catholic doctrine for my answer.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On Fri, 31 May 2024 21:10:10 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

>> In IVF multiple humans are conceived and, since they don't need that
>> many, most are killed. Humans dying by accident is one thing. Killing
>> them intentionally is murder.
>
> Wow, I had no idea. That is indeed monstrous.

So you are against IVF, then? Because even most rabid anti-abortionists
think banning that is a step too far.

On Fri, 31 May 2024 21:12:35 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2024-05-31 8:20 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 31 May 2024 06:21:28 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> Abortion is child sacrifice, no matter how you look at it.
>>
>> Does “life begins at conception” only apply in a woman’s body? Or does
>> it apply in a Petri dish as well?
>
> I already asked you to refer to Catholic doctrine for my answer.

That’s one way of dodging the question, when the logical contradictions in
your ideology are exposed.

On 5/31/24 4:53 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>> On 2024-05-31, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 31 May 2024 04:59:50 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
>>>
>>>> Killing your unborn child as a form of "birth control" is not a
>>>> constitutionally protected right.
>>>
>>> Are you against IVF as well? Or does “life begin at conception” only apply
>>> in a woman’s body, not in a test-tube?
>>
>> Not speaking for Tyrone but, yes, I'm against IVF for the same reason I'm
>> against abortion. It kills a living human being.
>
>The purpose of IVF is to generate an embryo and potential human being.
>
>As in real life, not all eggs get fertilized; they are flushed out during
>menstruation.

IVF is a logical use of technology, antiabortion retards pretend that frozen
embryos are children, and they need to kill themselves for utter hopeless
stupidity.

--
Joel W. Crump

On 01 Jun 2024 02:15:59 GMT, Joel Crump wrote:

> IVF is a logical use of technology, antiabortion retards pretend that
> frozen embryos are children, and they need to kill themselves for utter
> hopeless stupidity.

Not to mention the sheer biological impossibilities arising from the
religious assumption of “one soul, one conception”.

On 2024-05-31 9:37 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 31 May 2024 21:10:10 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>>> In IVF multiple humans are conceived and, since they don't need that
>>> many, most are killed. Humans dying by accident is one thing. Killing
>>> them intentionally is murder.
>>
>> Wow, I had no idea. That is indeed monstrous.
>
> So you are against IVF, then? Because even most rabid anti-abortionists
> think banning that is a step too far.

No shits given.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.