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Subject: How quickly a bug gets fixed...
From: Andrzej Matuch
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After installing Fedora 41 yesterday, I noticed a bug where unplugging
my laptop would result in the screen's brightness going to 0%. You
couldn't increase the brightness at all and had to plug it back in to
see what you were doing. People in Fedora's own forums mentioned that
the quickest resolution was to change the power plan to Performance
which was obviously not ideal if preserving power was the objective.

Anyways, I got an update today. It's already fixed.

In summary: ASUS has yet to fix an fTPM bug with AMD processors
discovered in 2021 yet Fedora fixes an annoyance within a few days (I
experienced it yesterday but it was reported to the developers a few
days earlier).

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch

Subject: Re: How quickly a bug gets fixed...
From: rbowman
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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 19:40 UTC
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On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 08:54:34 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> In summary: ASUS has yet to fix an fTPM bug with AMD processors
> discovered in 2021 yet Fedora fixes an annoyance within a few days (I
> experienced it yesterday but it was reported to the developers a few
> days earlier).

I haven't moved to 41 but the KDE spin of 40 was a little rocky when it
rolled out but the issues were fixed very rapidly. I think most were from
the KDE/Wayland side.

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On 2024-12-28 14:40, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 08:54:34 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> In summary: ASUS has yet to fix an fTPM bug with AMD processors
>> discovered in 2021 yet Fedora fixes an annoyance within a few days (I
>> experienced it yesterday but it was reported to the developers a few
>> days earlier).
>
> I haven't moved to 41 but the KDE spin of 40 was a little rocky when it
> rolled out but the issues were fixed very rapidly. I think most were from
> the KDE/Wayland side.

I'm actually trying hard to find bugs in Fedora 41. I'm surprised that
it works as well as it does. The one issue I did come up with is that
the machine doesn't stick to Hybrid mode with NVIDIA, and reverts to
Integrated on its own. When it does that, I am incapable of running my
external monitor through a USB-C hub. I can either plug it directly to
an HDMI port or log in, set it to Hybrid, log out, log in and try again.
It's not a big issue though.

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Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch

Subject: Re: How quickly a bug gets fixed...
From: rbowman
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On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 15:09:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> I'm actually trying hard to find bugs in Fedora 41. I'm surprised that
> it works as well as it does. The one issue I did come up with is that
> the machine doesn't stick to Hybrid mode with NVIDIA, and reverts to
> Integrated on its own. When it does that, I am incapable of running my
> external monitor through a USB-C hub. I can either plug it directly to
> an HDMI port or log in, set it to Hybrid, log out, log in and try again.
> It's not a big issue though.

The Fedora box goes through a 4 channel KVM with HDMI so no problem for
me. The first couple of weeks Firefox tended to crash or sometimes there
wouldn't be a desktop but that was fixed. I didn't have a problem but QGIS
warned some dialogs might not render correctly but I think the Wayland
tweaks took care of that.

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On 2024-12-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 08:54:34 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> In summary: ASUS has yet to fix an fTPM bug with AMD processors
>> discovered in 2021 yet Fedora fixes an annoyance within a few days (I
>> experienced it yesterday but it was reported to the developers a few
>> days earlier).
>
> I haven't moved to 41 but the KDE spin of 40 was a little rocky when it
> rolled out but the issues were fixed very rapidly. I think most were from
> the KDE/Wayland side.

I just updated to 41 yesterday, but I haven't done much with the Fedora
laptop yet.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

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On 12/28/2024 8:54 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> After installing Fedora 41 yesterday,

wtf?

It's one of the wokest distros of all, with a code of conduct, DEI
galore, and a "Week of Diversity".

That's a hard pass for me.

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On 2024-12-30 19:10, DFS wrote:
> On 12/28/2024 8:54 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> After installing Fedora 41 yesterday,
>
>
> wtf?
>
> It's one of the wokest distros of all, with a code of conduct, DEI
> galore, and a "Week of Diversity".
>
> That's a hard pass for me.

It's the one asus-linux.org provides a guide for and so far, everything
works as it should. I have no idea if there even is a non-woke Linux
distribution anymore.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

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On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 19:10:19 -0500, DFS wrote:

> On 12/28/2024 8:54 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> After installing Fedora 41 yesterday,
>
>
> wtf?
>
> It's one of the wokest distros of all, with a code of conduct, DEI
> galore, and a "Week of Diversity".
>
> That's a hard pass for me.

The software works. TBH I don't care if they have bisexual circle jerks
involving gerbils. It's not like Netflix coming up with a black, female,
possibly lesbian jarl in 11th century Denmark and expect me to watch the
show.

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On 2024-12-31, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-12-30 19:10, DFS wrote:
>> On 12/28/2024 8:54 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> After installing Fedora 41 yesterday,
>>
>>
>> wtf?
>>
>> It's one of the wokest distros of all, with a code of conduct, DEI
>> galore, and a "Week of Diversity".
>>
>> That's a hard pass for me.
>
> It's the one asus-linux.org provides a guide for and so far, everything
> works as it should. I have no idea if there even is a non-woke Linux
> distribution anymore.

You're getting lectured from someone who touts Woke Microsoft. But you're
right, there really isn't much in the IT industry that isn't Woke anymore...
but it's starting to turn around (I think).

Microsoft's DEI page...

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/diversity/default?oneroute=true

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

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On 2024-12-30 21:32, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 19:10:19 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 12/28/2024 8:54 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> After installing Fedora 41 yesterday,
>>
>>
>> wtf?
>>
>> It's one of the wokest distros of all, with a code of conduct, DEI
>> galore, and a "Week of Diversity".
>>
>> That's a hard pass for me.
>
> The software works. TBH I don't care if they have bisexual circle jerks
> involving gerbils. It's not like Netflix coming up with a black, female,
> possibly lesbian jarl in 11th century Denmark and expect me to watch the
> show.

The original Vikings on History is one of the greatest shows I've ever
watched. I was barely able to stomach the first episode of the
continuation on Netflix though. Seeing a black woman as a jarl was just
too much for me to accept.

Outlander is another show I think is spectacular but I can't help but
notice that in one particular episode, the dialogue was particularly
insufferable (when Jamie is mad at his wife for having slept with Lord
Grey when they both thought he was dead) and that there sure is a lot of
gay in this season.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
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On 2024-12-31 02:25, RonB wrote:
> On 2024-12-31, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-30 19:10, DFS wrote:
>>> On 12/28/2024 8:54 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> After installing Fedora 41 yesterday,
>>>
>>>
>>> wtf?
>>>
>>> It's one of the wokest distros of all, with a code of conduct, DEI
>>> galore, and a "Week of Diversity".
>>>
>>> That's a hard pass for me.
>>
>> It's the one asus-linux.org provides a guide for and so far, everything
>> works as it should. I have no idea if there even is a non-woke Linux
>> distribution anymore.
>
> You're getting lectured from someone who touts Woke Microsoft. But you're
> right, there really isn't much in the IT industry that isn't Woke anymore...
> but it's starting to turn around (I think).
>
> Microsoft's DEI page...
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/diversity/default?oneroute=true

Lunduke released a video yesterday confirming that Microsoft is doubling
down on its diversity efforts and will continue to help employees
transition their three-year-olds to a different gender. It looks like
the corporation hasn't yet been cured of its mind virus. Of course, with
a guy like Bill Gates around, there is probably no chance that it will
happen.

Still, if there's a KDE distribution out there which can proudly say
that it is non-woke, I'll look into it.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
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On 12/30/2024 8:50 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On 2024-12-30 19:10, DFS wrote:
>> On 12/28/2024 8:54 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> After installing Fedora 41 yesterday,
>>
>>
>> wtf?
>>
>> It's one of the wokest distros of all, with a code of conduct, DEI
>> galore, and a "Week of Diversity".
>>
>> That's a hard pass for me.
>
> It's the one asus-linux.org provides a guide for and so far, everything
> works as it should. I have no idea if there even is a non-woke Linux
> distribution anymore.

There are. 11 of the the Top 25 on distrowatch I looked at a few months
ago had no code of conduct or DEI statement on their website (doing a
cursory search)

MX Linux
Mint
EndeavourOS
Pop!_OS
Zorin
CachyOS (tho the founder specified he/him pronouns)
Garuda
Sparky
Tuxedo
Kali
EasyOS

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:40:53 -0500, DFS wrote:

> There are. 11 of the the Top 25 on distrowatch I looked at a few months
> ago had no code of conduct or DEI statement on their website (doing a
> cursory search)
>
> MX Linux Mint EndeavourOS Pop!_OS Zorin CachyOS (tho the founder
> specified he/him pronouns)
> Garuda Sparky Tuxedo Kali EasyOS

I have Kali running in WSL. I like it but it's Debian with pentest tools
conveniently packaged. Most of the rest are Debian based, or one step
removed Ubuntu. EndeavourOS is Arch based and the Arch wiki claims
politics aren't involved only technical merits. I'm not sure about EasyOS.

Does the one drop rule apply to Linux distros?

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On 2024-12-31 17:40, DFS wrote:
> On 12/30/2024 8:50 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On 2024-12-30 19:10, DFS wrote:
>>> On 12/28/2024 8:54 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> After installing Fedora 41 yesterday,
>>>
>>>
>>> wtf?
>>>
>>> It's one of the wokest distros of all, with a code of conduct, DEI
>>> galore, and a "Week of Diversity".
>>>
>>> That's a hard pass for me.
>>
>> It's the one asus-linux.org provides a guide for and so far,
>> everything works as it should. I have no idea if there even is a non-
>> woke Linux distribution anymore.
>
>
> There are.  11 of the the Top 25 on distrowatch I looked at a few months
> ago had no code of conduct or DEI statement on their website (doing a
> cursory search)
>
> MX Linux
> Mint
> EndeavourOS
> Pop!_OS
> Zorin
> CachyOS (tho the founder specified he/him pronouns)
> Garuda
> Sparky
> Tuxedo
> Kali
> EasyOS

I already like Mint quite a bit, admittedly. Nevertheless, I'm already
comfortable in Fedora and don't feel like hopping over for the time
being. All my original concerns with using Linux are also addressed in
this distribution, and the experience is no worse than using Windows. In
fact, it's superior as a result of the machine's greater responsiveness.
I'm also a fan of KDE and Fedora's spin on it is excellent.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:40:53 -0500, DFS wrote:

> 11 of the the Top 25 on distrowatch I looked at a few months
> ago had no code of conduct or DEI statement on their website (doing a
> cursory search) ...

I wonder what you think needs to be said. Do they have to declare that
they do not condone slavery? Or is that understood these days?

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On 1/1/2025 1:42 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:40:53 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> 11 of the the Top 25 on distrowatch I looked at a few months
>> ago had no code of conduct or DEI statement on their website (doing a
>> cursory search) ...
>
> I wonder what you think needs to be said. Do they have to declare that
> they do not condone slavery? Or is that understood these days?

It's not what needs to be said. It's what needs to NOT be said. Nobody
needs an explicit "code of conduct" to guide their behavior (or face
increasing levels of penalties as judged by The Council...ooohhh!!!).
And nobody needs to be told a computer OS website and conference events
are "welcoming nurturing safe spaces for everyone".

Fedora DEI page:
"Our key focuses are to engage, empower, and celebrate the contributions
of women, LGBT+, BIPOC, and people with disabilities in Free and Open
Source projects and communities."

gag. Contributions by females, queers, jigs and disabled people have
always been welcomed in software... on the technical merits of the
contributions.

But overwhelmingly, straight White males have created the world's
computer technology, and apparently that FACT needs to be "corrected" by
shoving blue-haired dykes in our faces. Pathetically, the straight
White males that started these distros and technologies are social
weaklings, and are allowing DEI and woke sickness to be plastered all
over their distros.

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On 2025-01-02 13:14, DFS wrote:
> On 1/1/2025 1:42 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:40:53 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> 11 of the the Top 25 on distrowatch I looked at a few months
>>> ago had no code of conduct or DEI statement on their website (doing a
>>> cursory search) ...
>>
>> I wonder what you think needs to be said. Do they have to declare that
>> they do not condone slavery? Or is that understood these days?
>
>
> It's not what needs to be said.  It's what needs to NOT be said.  Nobody
> needs an explicit "code of conduct" to guide their behavior (or face
> increasing levels of penalties as judged by The Council...ooohhh!!!).
> And nobody needs to be told a computer OS website and conference events
> are "welcoming nurturing safe spaces for everyone".
>
> Fedora DEI page:
> "Our key focuses are to engage, empower, and celebrate the contributions
> of women, LGBT+, BIPOC, and people with disabilities in Free and Open
> Source projects and communities."
>
> gag.  Contributions by females, queers, jigs and disabled people have
> always been welcomed in software... on the technical merits of the
> contributions.
>
> But overwhelmingly, straight White males have created the world's
> computer technology, and apparently that FACT needs to be "corrected" by
> shoving blue-haired dykes in our faces.  Pathetically, the straight
> White males that started these distros and technologies are social
> weaklings, and are allowing DEI and woke sickness to be plastered all
> over their distros.

I made an account on the Fedora page and I was given the option to
choose pronouns to be referred by. It was disheartening but it was
clearly an option.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

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On 2025-01-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2025-01-02 13:14, DFS wrote:
>> On 1/1/2025 1:42 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:40:53 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> 11 of the the Top 25 on distrowatch I looked at a few months
>>>> ago had no code of conduct or DEI statement on their website (doing a
>>>> cursory search) ...
>>>
>>> I wonder what you think needs to be said. Do they have to declare that
>>> they do not condone slavery? Or is that understood these days?
>>
>>
>> It's not what needs to be said.  It's what needs to NOT be said.  Nobody
>> needs an explicit "code of conduct" to guide their behavior (or face
>> increasing levels of penalties as judged by The Council...ooohhh!!!).
>> And nobody needs to be told a computer OS website and conference events
>> are "welcoming nurturing safe spaces for everyone".
>>
>> Fedora DEI page:
>> "Our key focuses are to engage, empower, and celebrate the contributions
>> of women, LGBT+, BIPOC, and people with disabilities in Free and Open
>> Source projects and communities."
>>
>> gag.  Contributions by females, queers, jigs and disabled people have
>> always been welcomed in software... on the technical merits of the
>> contributions.
>>
>> But overwhelmingly, straight White males have created the world's
>> computer technology, and apparently that FACT needs to be "corrected" by
>> shoving blue-haired dykes in our faces.  Pathetically, the straight
>> White males that started these distros and technologies are social
>> weaklings, and are allowing DEI and woke sickness to be plastered all
>> over their distros.
>
> I made an account on the Fedora page and I was given the option to
> choose pronouns to be referred by. It was disheartening but it was
> clearly an option.

The last time I filled out something at the doctor's office they had a crap
form like that also.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Subject: Re: How quickly a bug gets fixed...
From: Andrzej Matuch
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On 2025-01-03 03:11, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-01-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2025-01-02 13:14, DFS wrote:
>>> On 1/1/2025 1:42 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:40:53 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 11 of the the Top 25 on distrowatch I looked at a few months
>>>>> ago had no code of conduct or DEI statement on their website (doing a
>>>>> cursory search) ...
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what you think needs to be said. Do they have to declare that
>>>> they do not condone slavery? Or is that understood these days?
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not what needs to be said.  It's what needs to NOT be said.  Nobody
>>> needs an explicit "code of conduct" to guide their behavior (or face
>>> increasing levels of penalties as judged by The Council...ooohhh!!!).
>>> And nobody needs to be told a computer OS website and conference events
>>> are "welcoming nurturing safe spaces for everyone".
>>>
>>> Fedora DEI page:
>>> "Our key focuses are to engage, empower, and celebrate the contributions
>>> of women, LGBT+, BIPOC, and people with disabilities in Free and Open
>>> Source projects and communities."
>>>
>>> gag.  Contributions by females, queers, jigs and disabled people have
>>> always been welcomed in software... on the technical merits of the
>>> contributions.
>>>
>>> But overwhelmingly, straight White males have created the world's
>>> computer technology, and apparently that FACT needs to be "corrected" by
>>> shoving blue-haired dykes in our faces.  Pathetically, the straight
>>> White males that started these distros and technologies are social
>>> weaklings, and are allowing DEI and woke sickness to be plastered all
>>> over their distros.
>>
>> I made an account on the Fedora page and I was given the option to
>> choose pronouns to be referred by. It was disheartening but it was
>> clearly an option.
>
> The last time I filled out something at the doctor's office they had a crap
> form like that also.

I can't imagine being such a spoiled brat that you would get offended
that the doctor didn't address what is an obvious guy as "miss" during
the check-up you've waited hours for. The fact that people are going
along with this is bothering me immensely. Mostly, it is because when
the authorities come along and tell us that we won't be able to buy and
sell unless we accept a chip in our foreheads or hands and renounce
Christ, few if any will resist. They didn't resist the vaccine, they
didn't resist the mask, they didn't resist the pronoun garbage; why
would they resist the Mark?

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

Subject: Re: How quickly a bug gets fixed...
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On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 08:37:19 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> They didn't resist the vaccine, they
> didn't resist the mask, they didn't resist the pronoun garbage; why
> would they resist the Mark?

I skipped the vaccine and had my useless, Chinese made, N0 muzzle to get
me into CostCo, but how do you 'resist' the pronoun garbage?

What amuses me is the 'White non-Hispanic' category. Are they trying to
imply Hispanics aren't white?

Subject: Re: How quickly a bug gets fixed...
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rbowman wrote:

> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>> They didn't resist the vaccine, they
>> didn't resist the mask, they didn't resist the pronoun garbage; why
>> would they resist the Mark?
>
>I skipped the vaccine and had my useless, Chinese made, N0 muzzle to get
>me into CostCo, but how do you 'resist' the pronoun garbage?

By refusing to refer to a man who claims to be a woman as "she", for
example. Or by refusing to tell people my pronouns, when it couldn't
be more obvious. I'm just glad that it's never come up in my life,
lest I be accused of a "hate crime".

>What amuses me is the 'White non-Hispanic' category. Are they trying to
>imply Hispanics aren't white?

Are they white? I don't consider them to be.

Subject: Re: How quickly a bug gets fixed...
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On 2025-01-03 15:41, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 08:37:19 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> They didn't resist the vaccine, they
>> didn't resist the mask, they didn't resist the pronoun garbage; why
>> would they resist the Mark?
>
> I skipped the vaccine and had my useless, Chinese made, N0 muzzle to get
> me into CostCo, but how do you 'resist' the pronoun garbage?

By refusing to address people who believe they are the opposite gender
by the pronouns associated with that gender. Also, by refusing to use
made-up pronouns like ze and zir.

> What amuses me is the 'White non-Hispanic' category. Are they trying to
> imply Hispanics aren't white?

Since Hispanics include people who have no European characteristics
whatsoever, I can imagine why they are not considered White.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

Subject: Re: How quickly a bug gets fixed...
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On 1/3/25 2:41 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 08:37:19 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> They didn't resist the vaccine, they
>> didn't resist the mask, they didn't resist the pronoun garbage; why
>> would they resist the Mark?
>
> I skipped the vaccine and had my useless, Chinese made, N0 muzzle to get
> me into CostCo, but how do you 'resist' the pronoun garbage?
>
> What amuses me is the 'White non-Hispanic' category. Are they trying to
> imply Hispanics aren't white?

Hispanics aren't cro-magnon. Whites are cro-magnon. Too bad, "Whites"
carry the best and most easily understandable proof of it on them. The
best clue tying them with Neanderthals.

_Anything_ more advanced than Neanderthals that Whites have got today,
is from the Iranian dicks fucking those Neanderthals in Europe from 40k
years back all the way to 24K years back.

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On 1/3/2025 7:47 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:

> Hispanics aren't cro-magnon. Whites are cro-magnon. Too bad, "Whites"
> carry the best and most easily understandable proof of it on them. The
> best clue tying them with Neanderthals.
>
> _Anything_ more advanced than Neanderthals that Whites have got today,
> is from the Iranian dicks fucking those Neanderthals in Europe from 40k
> years back all the way to 24K years back.

You ugly, hairy, backward dune coons are seen as jokes around the
civilized world.

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DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>On 1/3/2025 7:47 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>> Hispanics aren't cro-magnon. Whites are cro-magnon. Too bad, "Whites"
>> carry the best and most easily understandable proof of it on them. The
>> best clue tying them with Neanderthals.
>>
>> _Anything_ more advanced than Neanderthals that Whites have got today,
>> is from the Iranian dicks fucking those Neanderthals in Europe from 40k
>> years back all the way to 24K years back.
>
>You ugly, hairy, backward dune coons are seen as jokes around the
>civilized world.

Don't you ever get tired of treating an entire *race* of people as a
monolith? Not even a family is a monolith, much less a race ...

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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