On Wed, 29 May 2024 07:45:49 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2024-05-28 7:35 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 May 2024 14:52:54 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> What sucks is that you don't speak French and that those beatdowns
>>> aren't happening verbally. To me, nothing is elegant than a Frenchman
>>> using his mastery of his beautiful language to insult the heck out of
>>> anyone. I just spent an hour at work with one who substitutes here
>>> because merely hearing his thoughts on things like wine and politics
>>> sounds so much better because of the accent and his choice of
>>> vocabulary.
>>
>> Tabernak! Odds are that means nothing to Stéphane.
>
> It means tabernacle. It's simply pronounced differently by a Frenchman.

Obviously you've never heard the creative usage by a pissed off Quebecois.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_French_profanity

On Wed, 29 May 2024 12:19:31 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> Uncle_Matuch wrote:
>> By continuing a war they cannot win with Russia,
>> there is absolutely nothing that can be gained by the Ukrainians.
>
> Freedom isn't "Nothing".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-J7mLyD3yc

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. When that comedian
gets through that's what they'll have.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 5/28/2024 5:06 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On 2024-05-28 12:23 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>
>>> wRonG is ALL KINDS of retard.
>>
>> Let's figure this one out:
>>
>> 1) RonB is an American male who rejects the forced obsolescence of
>> technology by using Linux, rejects unnecessary vaccines, has little
>> trust in the media and his government, the latter because of its
>> constant invasion of privacy as detailed by Snowden's revelations in 2013.
>>
>> 2) Joel Crump is a supposed male who believes that he is the resurrected
>> Jesus Christ, dates a man who believes that he is a woman, admits to
>> enjoy sucking "girl cock," picks fights with people online despite
>> weighing little more than one-hundred and forty pounds and thinks that
>> anyone who believes in Catholicism or two genders is a monster.
>
>> I'll stick to RonB, thank you.
>
>wRonG's a different kind of mentally ill than Joel. wRonG lives in a
>total fantasy world of rigged elections, dangerous vaccines, Gates is
>sterilizing women and poisoning the world, Trump is innocent, etc
>
>I can barely read a wRonG post without barfing.

Andrzej can talk about my sexuality/etc. all he wants, he just sounds
like an imbecile and it doesn't affect me, as a secure person, but his
and Ron's bullshit about Russia is bona fide *traitor* shit. If they
love Putin so much, GTFO out of North America then, move to Moscow, go
to their cheap grocery stores, blow up a Ukrainian hospital, just do
it away from us, please, asswipes.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On May 29, 2024 at 8:46:15 PM EDT, "rbowman" <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 29 May 2024 12:19:31 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:
>
>> Uncle_Matuch wrote:
>>> By continuing a war they cannot win with Russia,
>>> there is absolutely nothing that can be gained by the Ukrainians.
>>
>> Freedom isn't "Nothing".
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-J7mLyD3yc
>
> Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. When that comedian
> gets through that's what they'll have.

You are quoting Kris Kristofferson? No, Janis did not write Me and Bobby
McGee and you clearly have no idea what the song is about.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 29 May 2024 12:19:31 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:
>> Uncle_Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> By continuing a war they cannot win with Russia,
>>> there is absolutely nothing that can be gained by the Ukrainians.
>>
>> Freedom isn't "Nothing".
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-J7mLyD3yc
>
>Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. When that comedian
>gets through that's what they'll have.

So just let another country invade, sounds like a plan ...

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 30 May 2024 01:31:09 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

> On May 29, 2024 at 8:46:15 PM EDT, "rbowman" <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 12:19:31 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:
>>
>>> Uncle_Matuch wrote:
>>>> By continuing a war they cannot win with Russia,
>>>> there is absolutely nothing that can be gained by the Ukrainians.
>>>
>>> Freedom isn't "Nothing".
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-J7mLyD3yc
>>
>> Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. When that
>> comedian gets through that's what they'll have.
>
> You are quoting Kris Kristofferson? No, Janis did not write Me and
> Bobby McGee and you clearly have no idea what the song is about.

Well, no shit. Did I link to Joplin's cover? You clearly don't know shit
about me or what I'm about.

On Wed, 29 May 2024 21:14:52 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Andrzej can talk about my sexuality/etc. all he wants, he just sounds
> like an imbecile and it doesn't affect me, as a secure person, but his
> and Ron's bullshit about Russia is bona fide *traitor* shit. If they
> love Putin so much, GTFO out of North America then, move to Moscow, go
> to their cheap grocery stores, blow up a Ukrainian hospital, just do it
> away from us, please, asswipes.

Out of idle curiosity why do you give a shit about the Ukraine? No CIA
inspired rants about freedom and democracy, just why do you personally
care?

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> Andrzej can talk about my sexuality/etc. all he wants, he just sounds
>> like an imbecile and it doesn't affect me, as a secure person, but his
>> and Ron's bullshit about Russia is bona fide *traitor* shit. If they
>> love Putin so much, GTFO out of North America then, move to Moscow, go
>> to their cheap grocery stores, blow up a Ukrainian hospital, just do it
>> away from us, please, asswipes.
>
>Out of idle curiosity why do you give a shit about the Ukraine? No CIA
>inspired rants about freedom and democracy, just why do you personally
>care?

I "give a shit" about like-minded people, that includes the folks in
Russia who are unhappy with this garbage, but it don't include
Vladimir butcher Putin, the monster-man, the dictator, the oligarch,
the scumbag. Anyone defending the invasion is just selling out, it's
not about "CIA inspired rants", it's about humanitarian values. The
Trump era has rewritten who we are, and it's sick. Tuckwad Carlson,
Andrzej and Ron can get a place together in Moscow, and stay there.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

rBowman: Out of idle curiosity why do you give a shit about the Ukraine ?

Because they're fine people, good neighbors, a joy to be around.

How do you feel about torturing puppies
and filming it for all to see ?

On Wed, 29 May 2024 20:40:10 -0700 (Seattle), "Relf"
<Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote in <Jeff-Relf.Me@May.29--8.40pm.Seattle.2024>:

> rBowman: Out of idle curiosity why do you give a shit about the Ukraine
> ?
>
> Because they're fine people, good neighbors, a joy to be around.
>
> How do you feel about torturing puppies and filming it for all to see ?

Don't be absurd.

--
-v

On 2024-05-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 May 2024 12:19:31 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:
>
>> Uncle_Matuch wrote:
>>> By continuing a war they cannot win with Russia,
>>> there is absolutely nothing that can be gained by the Ukrainians.
>>
>> Freedom isn't "Nothing".
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-J7mLyD3yc
>
> Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. When that comedian
> gets through that's what they'll have.

They're already pretty close. Every day there are videos of Ukrainian thugs
grabbing people off the street and forcing them in vans to go to the front
as cannon fodder. It's sad. All for the greed of London and Washington, DC
(and for brain-dead, boot-lickers, like Macron and Trudeau).

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-05-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 May 2024 07:32:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> They look a lot like cockroaches. YUM!
>
> But afaik cockroaches can't tell temperature.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolbear's_law

So they'll be easier to cook than crickets?

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-05-30, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-29 6:25 p.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 5/28/2024 5:06 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-28 12:23 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>> On 5/28/2024 12:06 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> China is basically a materialistic country. Their prime object is
>>>>>> to make
>>>>>> money and the United States is one of their biggest customers. I
>>>>>> don't think
>>>>>> they want an empire, just like Russia doesn't want an empire. I'm
>>>>>> more much
>>>>>> worried about the people running the United States. They're the
>>>>>> crazed ones.
>>>>>> They're the ones pushing for the New World Order, where we'll all
>>>>>> be eating
>>>>>> crickets, own nothing and "like it."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Spoken like a true nationalist retard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> wRonG is ALL KINDS of retard.
>>>
>>> Let's figure this one out:
>>>
>>> 1) RonB is an American male who rejects the forced obsolescence of
>>> technology by using Linux, rejects unnecessary vaccines, has little
>>> trust in the media and his government, the latter because of its
>>> constant invasion of privacy as detailed by Snowden's revelations in
>>> 2013.
>>>
>>> 2) Joel Crump is a supposed male who believes that he is the
>>> resurrected Jesus Christ, dates a man who believes that he is a woman,
>>> admits to enjoy sucking "girl cock," picks fights with people online
>>> despite weighing little more than one-hundred and forty pounds and
>>> thinks that anyone who believes in Catholicism or two genders is a
>>> monster.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I'll stick to RonB, thank you.
>>
>> wRonG's a different kind of mentally ill than Joel.  wRonG lives in a
>> total fantasy world of rigged elections, dangerous vaccines, Gates is
>> sterilizing women and poisoning the world, Trump is innocent, etc
>>
>> I can barely read a wRonG post without barfing.
>
> And yet you're still here and alive despite all of the vomit.

At least I serve some purpose. Causing DuFuS to spew some of his bullshit
somewhere else other than comp.os.linux.advocacy.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-05-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 May 2024 21:14:52 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> Andrzej can talk about my sexuality/etc. all he wants, he just sounds
>> like an imbecile and it doesn't affect me, as a secure person, but his
>> and Ron's bullshit about Russia is bona fide *traitor* shit. If they
>> love Putin so much, GTFO out of North America then, move to Moscow, go
>> to their cheap grocery stores, blow up a Ukrainian hospital, just do it
>> away from us, please, asswipes.
>
> Out of idle curiosity why do you give a shit about the Ukraine? No CIA
> inspired rants about freedom and democracy, just why do you personally
> care?

Traitor to what? We're not at war with Russia. I guess that moron Joel
thinks that if you're not in lock-step with the regime's double speak,
you're a "traitor." None of the Woke know how to think anymore. It's all
knee-jerk emotionalism and stupidly believing the bullshit spoon-fed to them
by the Main Stream Media.

It's not (yet) against the law to think for yourself, Joel. You might want
to try it some time.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-05-30, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-29 10:12 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 21:14:52 -0400, Joel wrote:
>>
>>> Andrzej can talk about my sexuality/etc. all he wants, he just sounds
>>> like an imbecile and it doesn't affect me, as a secure person, but his
>>> and Ron's bullshit about Russia is bona fide *traitor* shit. If they
>>> love Putin so much, GTFO out of North America then, move to Moscow, go
>>> to their cheap grocery stores, blow up a Ukrainian hospital, just do it
>>> away from us, please, asswipes.
>>
>> Out of idle curiosity why do you give a shit about the Ukraine? No CIA
>> inspired rants about freedom and democracy, just why do you personally
>> care?
>
> It's treason to disagree with whatever assessment our leaders and media
> have made for us!

Yeah, they were calling Tulsi Gabbard a "traitor." Because, having seen war,
she's not keen on endless, idiotic wars — like the morons in our government
(and their braindead zombie myrmidons, take your bow Joel) who want to send
our kids to die in an effort to keep the world safe for Wall Street
corporate plundering.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-05-30, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-29 11:40 p.m., Relf wrote:
>> rBowman: Out of idle curiosity why do you give a shit about the Ukraine ?
>>
>> Because they're fine people, good neighbors, a joy to be around.
>>
>> How do you feel about torturing puppies
>> and filming it for all to see ?
>
> Those Ukrainians killed 100,000 of us Poles during the Second World War.
> Some of what they did included ripping babies out of pregnant women's
> bellies. The first-hand accounts my own relatives had of how wonderful
> those Ukrainians were paint a gruesome picture.

Specifically the neo-Nazi ones in western Ukraine, who now are the thugs
forcing the regular Ukrainians to the front. Weird world when a Jewish (now
ex) president cozies up to swastika emblazoned thugs.

Maybe Relf should dig up some information about these mouth-breather's hero,
Bandera. Not exacly warm and fuzzy.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2024-05-29, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-05-29 12:17 p.m., Relf wrote:
>>
>>> "give me liberty or give me death" -- Ukraine
>>
>> It looks like Russia has chosen to give them the latter.
>
>I guess the Ukrainians wanted "liberty" to kill their Russian speaking
>countrymen more than they wanted peace. Just a lot of wannabe neo-Nazi
>thugs. It's too bad, though, that the non-Nazi Ukrainians are caught in the
>middle of this, losing their lives for a drug-addicted "comedian" and his
>cadre of boot-lickers.

Your talent at writing *fiction* is impressive, Ron.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2024-05-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 21:14:52 -0400, Joel wrote:
>>
>>> Andrzej can talk about my sexuality/etc. all he wants, he just sounds
>>> like an imbecile and it doesn't affect me, as a secure person, but his
>>> and Ron's bullshit about Russia is bona fide *traitor* shit. If they
>>> love Putin so much, GTFO out of North America then, move to Moscow, go
>>> to their cheap grocery stores, blow up a Ukrainian hospital, just do it
>>> away from us, please, asswipes.
>>
>> Out of idle curiosity why do you give a shit about the Ukraine? No CIA
>> inspired rants about freedom and democracy, just why do you personally
>> care?
>
>Traitor to what? We're not at war with Russia. I guess that moron Joel
>thinks that if you're not in lock-step with the regime's double speak,
>you're a "traitor." None of the Woke know how to think anymore. It's all
>knee-jerk emotionalism and stupidly believing the bullshit spoon-fed to them
>by the Main Stream Media.
>
>It's not (yet) against the law to think for yourself, Joel. You might want
>to try it some time.

<yawn>

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2024-05-30, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-05-29 10:12 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 21:14:52 -0400, Joel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andrzej can talk about my sexuality/etc. all he wants, he just sounds
>>>> like an imbecile and it doesn't affect me, as a secure person, but his
>>>> and Ron's bullshit about Russia is bona fide *traitor* shit. If they
>>>> love Putin so much, GTFO out of North America then, move to Moscow, go
>>>> to their cheap grocery stores, blow up a Ukrainian hospital, just do it
>>>> away from us, please, asswipes.
>>>
>>> Out of idle curiosity why do you give a shit about the Ukraine? No CIA
>>> inspired rants about freedom and democracy, just why do you personally
>>> care?
>>
>> It's treason to disagree with whatever assessment our leaders and media
>> have made for us!
>
>Yeah, they were calling Tulsi Gabbard a "traitor." Because, having seen war,
>she's not keen on endless, idiotic wars — like the morons in our government
>(and their braindead zombie myrmidons, take your bow Joel) who want to send
>our kids to die in an effort to keep the world safe for Wall Street
>corporate plundering.

You project from your right-wing media crud a lot, Ron. I think for
myself, and I consume reputable media, even if I don't automatically
agree with everything I read. I am not going to be judged by a dummy
like you.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-05-30 7:13 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-05-29, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-05-29 12:17 p.m., Relf wrote:
>>> "give me liberty or give me death" -- Ukraine
>>
>> It looks like Russia has chosen to give them the latter.
>
> I guess the Ukrainians wanted "liberty" to kill their Russian speaking
> countrymen more than they wanted peace. Just a lot of wannabe neo-Nazi
> thugs. It's too bad, though, that the non-Nazi Ukrainians are caught in the
> middle of this, losing their lives for a drug-addicted "comedian" and his
> cadre of boot-lickers.

I've heard that Poland now wants a chunk of Ukraine, as it was
traditionally Polish territory. It actually pains me to imagine this to
be a fact.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-05-30 7:20 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-05-29, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-05-29 11:18 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-29, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-29 3:46 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-05-28, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-05-28 12:05 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-05-28, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-28 2:04 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-28, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-27 8:27 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-27, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 11:17:04 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been using only Opera for many years now, but about a week ago I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> uninstalled it in favor of Brave, which does a great job blocking ads.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2023/06/introducing-opera-one/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That one? Wise choice. What could go wrong with an AI powered browser
>>>>>>>>>>>> owned by the Chinese?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I thought Opera was still based in Norway. It looks like I'm about 8 years
>>>>>>>>>>> behind the curve on this one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That said, I think I would rather have the Chinese government spying on me
>>>>>>>>>>> rather than the CIA, NSA, etc. via U.S. social media sites.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about neither?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not going to happen. But what's the Chinese government going to do to me?
>>>>>>>>> I'm more worried about what my government is going to do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, they might label you as an anti-Communist threat and hunt you down
>>>>>>>> the moment they invade and take over the United States. It seems
>>>>>>>> unlikely until you realize that they already have sleeper agents in the
>>>>>>>> country who can easily take down the vulnerable grid using a few EMPs,
>>>>>>>> and how America has already bankrupted itself militarily by supplying
>>>>>>>> all of its weapons to Ukraine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> China is basically a materialistic country. Their prime object is to make
>>>>>>> money and the United States is one of their biggest customers. I don't think
>>>>>>> they want an empire, just like Russia doesn't want an empire. I'm more much
>>>>>>> worried about the people running the United States. They're the crazed ones.
>>>>>>> They're the ones pushing for the New World Order, where we'll all be eating
>>>>>>> crickets, own nothing and "like it."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The media has been telling me that China's economy is doing very poorly,
>>>>>> and that if America just continues, it will eventually go bankrupt and
>>>>>> adopt capitalism. Of course, they also thought that Russia would go
>>>>>> bankrupt and that the current war of attrition will lead to a Ukrainian
>>>>>> victory. I'm starting to wonder if the media is ever right about anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> In their attempt to isolate Russia, the "West" is isolating themselves.
>>>>> BRICS will soon have almost all of Africa and South America, most of Asia
>>>>> (including China and India), most of the Middle East (including Iran and
>>>>> Saudi Arabia) and most of Eurasia. In out attempt to isolate Russia we're
>>>>> destroying the PetroDollar and we're cutting ourselves off from most of the
>>>>> world's oil and gas production, most of the world's natural resources, and
>>>>> the biggest industrial countries (China and India). Almost all trade between
>>>>> Russia and China used to be done in dollars (and our country got its "vig"
>>>>> from every exchange) — now almost all trade between Russia and China is done
>>>>> in rubles or yuan. Russia and China have created bank exchange mechanisms
>>>>> that no are longer dependent on the "West" controlled SWIFT system. Biden's
>>>>> puppeteers aren't exactly brilliant. Their sanctions have hurt Europe and
>>>>> us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Europe is basically irrelevant now, and the U.S. is swiftly following them
>>>>> into the swirling toilet of Woke suicide.
>>>>
>>>> When the war started, people with common sense were already saying that
>>>> there was no way it was going to end well for Ukraine or for anyone who
>>>> decided to get involved. The right thing to do would have been to stay
>>>> out of it, let Ukraine realize that it couldn't win, have them make a
>>>> deal with Russia and spare itself massive casualties. So, obviously,
>>>> Boris Johnson needed to tell them to stick with it and the Woke
>>>> countries of the West had to pump up the country with a ton of money,
>>>> probably hoping that their populations would clamor to send soldiers
>>>> too. All our leaders saw were military industrial complex dollar signs,
>>>> and it didn't matter to them one bit that such a conflict could result
>>>> in World War 3 and the oblivion of every living thing on Earth.
>>>
>>> I think they thought they could take Russia down with sanctions. The problem
>>> is that we've got inbred morons running our country and Russia has Putin. He
>>> anticipated their tactics and prepared well for them.
>>
>> Russia knew that the West would try the sanctions and prepared for them.
>> There's a reason things cost less in their supermarkets than they do in
>> ours. It should be embarrassing to all Europeans and Americans how much
>> more expensive life is in our side of the world.
>>
>>> The right thing for us would have been to stay out of it. The right thing
>>> for Ukraine would have been to abide by the Minsk Agreements they signed.
>>> But even back in the 90s Soros was already writing about using eastern
>>> Europeans (Slavs) to fight against Russia because the "NATO countries
>>> wouldn't be able to handle their people coming back in body bags." These
>>> pieces of crap don't give a damn about the Ukrainians. They're using them for
>>> cannon fodder. Now even old men, kids and women. Of course the corrupt
>>> (bought and paid for) leaders of Ukraine stay well away from the actual
>>> fighting. Worthless, corrupt cowards.
>>
>> It truly is a shame to see so many White Christians being decimated for
>> absolutely no gain. By conquering Ukraine, Russia gets a zone which has
>> natural defenses against the West if a war is declared against them. By
>> continuing a war they cannot win with Russia, there is absolutely
>> nothing that can be gained by the Ukrainians.
>
> Zelensky is not trying to gain anything for Ukraine. He's licking the boots
> of his masters in Washington, DC and London. His whole goal is not to save
> Ukraine, but to "weaken Russia." He's even used those words. He doesn't give
> a damn about those he's sacrificing as cannon fodder. Since he's no longer
> legally the president (even by western Ukraine "standards"), since he didn't
> hold elections, the Russians don't have to worry about "ending" him. But I'm
> guessing they figure he's more useful to Russia "in office," since his
> greed, corruption and callous disregard for his own countrymen is probably
> more demoralizing than the Russian missiles.
>
> What a pathetic piece of groveling shit.

He's only a "pathetic piece of groveling shit" if your eyes are open and
your brain is responsive to common sense and facts. Let's ask DFS and
Joel Crump what they think.

On 2024-05-30 7:24 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-05-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 12:19:31 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:
>>
>>> Uncle_Matuch wrote:
>>>> By continuing a war they cannot win with Russia,
>>>> there is absolutely nothing that can be gained by the Ukrainians.
>>>
>>> Freedom isn't "Nothing".
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-J7mLyD3yc
>>
>> Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. When that comedian
>> gets through that's what they'll have.
>
> They're already pretty close. Every day there are videos of Ukrainian thugs
> grabbing people off the street and forcing them in vans to go to the front
> as cannon fodder. It's sad. All for the greed of London and Washington, DC
> (and for brain-dead, boot-lickers, like Macron and Trudeau).

We've seen the videos, but since they weren't played on TV by the
mainstream media, we didn't really see them and this didn't happen.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>On 2024-05-30 7:20 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>
>> Zelensky is not trying to gain anything for Ukraine. He's licking the boots
>> of his masters in Washington, DC and London. His whole goal is not to save
>> Ukraine, but to "weaken Russia." He's even used those words. He doesn't give
>> a damn about those he's sacrificing as cannon fodder. Since he's no longer
>> legally the president (even by western Ukraine "standards"), since he didn't
>> hold elections, the Russians don't have to worry about "ending" him. But I'm
>> guessing they figure he's more useful to Russia "in office," since his
>> greed, corruption and callous disregard for his own countrymen is probably
>> more demoralizing than the Russian missiles.
>>
>> What a pathetic piece of groveling shit.
>
>He's only a "pathetic piece of groveling shit" if your eyes are open and
>your brain is responsive to common sense and facts. Let's ask DFS and
>Joel Crump what they think.

He was elected in a landslide, and would be again as far as I know,
they might be able to have an election if Russia weren't terrorizing
them and killing them. Face it, you're just duped, and so is Ron.
It's pathetic, but then a lot of the crap you guys say is.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-05-30 7:40 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-05-30, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-05-29 10:12 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 21:14:52 -0400, Joel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andrzej can talk about my sexuality/etc. all he wants, he just sounds
>>>> like an imbecile and it doesn't affect me, as a secure person, but his
>>>> and Ron's bullshit about Russia is bona fide *traitor* shit. If they
>>>> love Putin so much, GTFO out of North America then, move to Moscow, go
>>>> to their cheap grocery stores, blow up a Ukrainian hospital, just do it
>>>> away from us, please, asswipes.
>>>
>>> Out of idle curiosity why do you give a shit about the Ukraine? No CIA
>>> inspired rants about freedom and democracy, just why do you personally
>>> care?
>>
>> It's treason to disagree with whatever assessment our leaders and media
>> have made for us!
>
> Yeah, they were calling Tulsi Gabbard a "traitor." Because, having seen war,
> she's not keen on endless, idiotic wars — like the morons in our government
> (and their braindead zombie myrmidons, take your bow Joel) who want to send
> our kids to die in an effort to keep the world safe for Wall Street
> corporate plundering.

There was a time when sending your citizens out to war was considered to
be a last resort, something to be avoided at all costs. Over the past
eighty years, it seems to be the main objective of American governments
to do so.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On Thu, 30 May 2024 07:45:31 -0400, Joel wrote:

> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-05-29, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-29 12:17 p.m., Relf wrote:
>>>
>>>> "give me liberty or give me death" -- Ukraine
>>>
>>> It looks like Russia has chosen to give them the latter.
>>
>>I guess the Ukrainians wanted "liberty" to kill their Russian speaking
>>countrymen more than they wanted peace. Just a lot of wannabe neo-Nazi
>>thugs. It's too bad, though, that the non-Nazi Ukrainians are caught in
>>the middle of this, losing their lives for a drug-addicted "comedian"
>>and his cadre of boot-lickers.
>
>
> Your talent at writing *fiction* is impressive, Ron.

Remember the US fomented overthrow of the elected government in 2014
followed by the attacks on ethnic Russians in the Donbas war? Given the
animosity of ethnic Ukrainians and ethnic Russians it would have made
sense to split the blanket. Diversity is such a wonderful thing.