On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2024-12-29 06:44, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, Farley Flud wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 23:47:29 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>    I agree that the GIMPs GUI can be hard to navigate
>>>>    and use sometimes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I cannot understand this at all.
>>>
>>> An image is opened.  The user then decides what to do with the
>>> image. He then uses the menu to invoke the appropriate action.
>>> What could be simpler?
>>>
>>> As with most GUIs, there are more than one way to invoke actions.
>>> Either use the menu or the many toolboxes.
>>>
>>> Of course, if a user does not understand the rudiments of image
>>> processing then he will be confused and frustrated by any GUI.
>>
>> Also don't underestimate the power of habit. If you are used to photoshop,
>> moving to something else will be painful.
>>
>> But if you have no prior experience, it will be different.
>>
>> My father has been a happy gimp user for many years, and he is 73. No
>> problem with the gui. The only thing he is sensitive to is if they make
>> changes or move buttons around. But all software makers enjoy doing that.
>
> My father is going to turn 80 last year and happily used Linux Mint until he
> deided to buy himself a new mini desktop with Windows 10 on it. If anything,
> he preferred Mint and asked me whether there was a way to implement some of
> its functionality onto the desktop like the way that it imports photos and
> videos from a phone. I didn't bother to install it on his new machine though.

That's a shame. If I would be there I would gladly install mint for him,
to at least have one less windows machine in the world. ;)

On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, pH wrote:

> On 2024-12-28, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-12-27 18:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:57:55 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, I appreciate that I can get gratis a piece of software that is
>>>>> that good.
>>>>
>>>> If you think Free Software could be better, and you would rather not give
>>>> money to a proprietary company, why not contribute some of that money to
>>>> the development of the Free Software and help make it better?
>>>
>>> Especially since projects like KDE and LibreOffice really need it.
>>>
>>
>> Note that money is not the only way to contribute. Even by using the
>> software you contribute, by making others aware of it, you contribute. I
>> actually like projects that are not super wealthy. The linux foundation
>> and firefox are excellent examples of how power corrupts. Would never
>> dream of contributing with money to those two.
>
> This grabs my attention...as essentially a 'bystander' I've been totally
> unaware of these types of sentiments.
> Can someone give (or point me to) a thumbnail of why someone might have
> these opinions?
>
> Just curious....
>
> Pureheart in Aptos

Sure... https://lunduke.substack.com/ writes plenty about the corruption
of firefox and the linux foundation.

On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, TJ wrote:

> On 2024-12-29 12:57, Farley Flud wrote:
>> I scoff at these idiots who purchase exorbitant pickup trucks/SUVs
>> and then fill them up with sub-grade, discount gasoline.
>>
>> Every vehicle deserves only TOP TIER gas, and every computer deserves
>> only customized GNU/Linux.
>>
> My grandfather's 72-year-old tractor is still an important part of our
> machinery fleet, used almost every day during the growing season. The manual
> states: "Use a good, clean, gasoline with an octane rating of at least 65."
>
> I can't find any of the 65 octane stuff, so I use 87, closest I can get. With
> an optional manifold, the manual says the tractor is supposed to be able to
> run on something called "low-cost fuel," whatever that is. I can't find any
> of that, either.
>
> I *could* buy premium, TOP TIER gas for it, but it would be a complete waste
> of money that I don't have, and I might have to de-tune the timing so it
> would run the way it should. I don't have the time, or the inclination, to do
> that.
>
> As for my Linux installs, Mageia only needs a little customization here and
> there to get it the way I like it, so that's what I use. Besides, as the
> Leader of the Mageia Quality Assurance Team, I really ought to use the distro
> pretty much as is if it's to stay usable by the less experienced users that
> don't know yet what to change and what to leave alone.
>
> YMMV.
>
> TJ
>

What makes Mageia unique or different? I haven't heard about it before.

On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, TJ wrote:

> On 2024-12-28 06:12, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-12-27 18:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:57:55 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, I appreciate that I can get gratis a piece of software that is
>>>>> that good.
>>>>
>>>> If you think Free Software could be better, and you would rather not give
>>>> money to a proprietary company, why not contribute some of that money to
>>>> the development of the Free Software and help make it better?
>>>
>>> Especially since projects like KDE and LibreOffice really need it.
>>>
>>
>> Note that money is not the only way to contribute. Even by using the
>> software you contribute, by making others aware of it, you contribute. I
>> actually like projects that are not super wealthy. The linux foundation and
>> firefox are excellent examples of how power corrupts. Would never dream of
>> contributing with money to those two.
>
> Indeed. My discretionary funds are very limited, so I can not afford to
> contribute with money. But Mageia, as my distro of choice, is
> community-based, meaning it is maintained by volunteers who contribute their
> free time to make it as good as we can.
>
> I have no coding skills to speak of, so development isn't my forte. But, as
> the current Leader of the Mageia Quality Assurance (QA) Team, I contribute in
> other, equally valuable ways.
>
> We are the layer between the developers and the public, tasked with testing
> updates before they are released to be as sure as possible that they won't
> break Mageia systems. Developers are only human, and sometimes mistakes creep
> in - a missing dependency, or maybe the package won't work on hardware the
> developer doesn't have. Our job is to catch that stuff.
>
> We also test the install ISOs before they are released.
>
> We are always looking for new members, and users of all skill levels are
> welcome. One of the great things about Mageia is that the opinions of new
> contributors are received with as much respect as those of our "old hands."
>
> But those aren't the only ways to contribute. If something in Mageia doesn't
> work for you, please file a bug report. We also need translators,
> documentation writers, bug triaging, website designers, the list goes on.
>
> https://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/ is a good place to start if you wish to
> contribute to our project.
>
> TJ
>

How are you trending with volunteers over time? Is it growing?

On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2024-12-29 16:00, TJ wrote:
>> On 2024-12-29 12:57, Farley Flud wrote:
>>> I scoff at these idiots who purchase exorbitant pickup trucks/SUVs
>>> and then fill them up with sub-grade, discount gasoline.
>>>
>>> Every vehicle deserves only TOP TIER gas, and every computer deserves
>>> only customized GNU/Linux.
>>>
>> My grandfather's 72-year-old tractor is still an important part of our
>> machinery fleet, used almost every day during the growing season. The
>> manual states: "Use a good, clean, gasoline with an octane rating of at
>> least 65."
>>
>> I can't find any of the 65 octane stuff, so I use 87, closest I can get.
>> With an optional manifold, the manual says the tractor is supposed to be
>> able to run on something called "low-cost fuel," whatever that is. I can't
>> find any of that, either.
>>
>> I *could* buy premium, TOP TIER gas for it, but it would be a complete
>> waste of money that I don't have, and I might have to de-tune the timing so
>> it would run the way it should. I don't have the time, or the inclination,
>> to do that.
>>
>> As for my Linux installs, Mageia only needs a little customization here and
>> there to get it the way I like it, so that's what I use. Besides, as the
>> Leader of the Mageia Quality Assurance Team, I really ought to use the
>> distro pretty much as is if it's to stay usable by the less experienced
>> users that don't know yet what to change and what to leave alone.
>>
>> YMMV.
>>
>> TJ
>
> If I can use this laptop with Fedora on it until the machine inevitably kicks
> the bucket, I'll be happy. I don't like the idea of changing my hardware
> every three, four or even five years. If I can go ten with it, I'll be
> satisfied to retire it in favour of something new from Framework or System76.

I usually buy a new laptop every 3 to 4 years, but that's because I'm
interested in how hw develops and I see it as a bit of luxury that I can
afford.

My old laptop goes to my father, and his old laptop does duty as a music
player or backup server or something similar. I think the oldest one he
has is a 11 or 12 year old macbook air, but the battery time is down to 30
minutes or so, so that one is pretty close to retirement.

I'm looking to acquire a new laptop to use as my backup server. The
existing one is 9 years old, and I'd like to buy one with at least 1 TB of
ssd disk instead of the 512 I have today. Let's see if this is the year
when I'll run into something attractive, although I can't escape the
feeling that it should be possible to get one for free from some company.

-hh wrote:

> A fair & balanced point (idiocy snipped)

Unlike -highhorse's lying "point".

"Haters" being "loudly critical" of Photoshop is only his snittish
"interpretation" of the advocates' common-sense value arguments.

In this thread I admitted that I've never used Photoshop. But can he
quote me being critical of its performance or quality? No, he can't.

It's snits like -highhorse who has always attacked unfairly. Not the
advocates. He will never escape this reality, no matter how much he
try to twists it.

--
"What's more unfortunate is the sheer close-mindedness that goes into
their irrational hate of an inanimate object." - lying asshole
"-hh", lying shamelessly

rbowman wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> But we all have experience of other BMW drivers on the road ... I need
>> say no more ...

I've never noticed anything amiss with BMW drivers. No, I am not
biased because I one owned one.

>It sometimes spills over to BMW riders when the same demographic purchases
>bikes. I wouldn't mind an old R75/5 but I've got too many bikes already.

Hmm... While I concede that some BMW car owners buy them for "the
wrong reasons" (i.e. prestige), I think that bike riders are more
practical and grounded.

--
'whenever there is touch labor being invested, if it isn't a "zero"
expense, then the 'Linux is free' claim becomes untrue.' - lying
asshole "-hh"

On 2024-12-29 23:18, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:53:51 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> I would have liked to try out your distribution before I settled for
>> Fedora. Your approach is pretty neat.
>
> I had not heard of it. The genealogy is interesting. I used Mandrake years
> ago and Liked it. It begat Mandriva which seems to have begotten Mageia.

I am a fan of anything that is community driven, but I am also aware
that communities break apart over the most ridiculous of things and
often use that difference of opinion as a basis to fork a project.
Similarly, a lot of these communities have been poisoned with an
ideology where merit takes a backseat to sexual preference, race or
gender. I don't want to use the atrocious result of that poison. At
least with Fedora, I know that no matter how ridiculous the community
might be in its pursuit of "diversity," the product does everything it
can to be as professional as possible.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

On 2024-12-29 23:28, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 17:06:31 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> If I can use this laptop with Fedora on it until the machine inevitably
>> kicks the bucket, I'll be happy. I don't like the idea of changing my
>> hardware every three, four or even five years. If I can go ten with it,
>> I'll be satisfied to retire it in favour of something new from Framework
>> or System76.
>
> My Fedora box is a ten year old Dell with a 4th gen i5. I did get a little
> snappier processor on eBay and added 8 GB or RAM and a SSD but I'm not
> planning an upgrade. The only limitation is the only PCIe slot is in use
> so the SSD is SATA rather than NVMe so it boots a little slower than the
> Ryzen 7 Ubuntu box. Considering it's been up 41 days that is not a big
> deal.

Nowadays, speed is only an issue if you're playing games or encoding
videos. Otherwise, the machines we were running even around 2010 should
be more than sufficient for the majority of people and their use of the
web, social media and e-mail. Sure, it won't load as fast as a machine
from this decade, but it's not the kind of difference as people suffered
through when some were running Pentiums and others still used a 386.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

On 30/12/2024 13:12, chrisv wrote:
> rbowman wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> But we all have experience of other BMW drivers on the road ... I need
>>> say no more ...
>
> I've never noticed anything amiss with BMW drivers. No, I am not
> biased because I one owned one.
>
It used to be Volvos. Cars with apparently no windows or mirrors, just a
narrow view out of the front

BMW was briefly a drug dealers car, but thereal cunts today drive an Audi...

>> It sometimes spills over to BMW riders when the same demographic purchases
>> bikes. I wouldn't mind an old R75/5 but I've got too many bikes already.
>
> Hmm... While I concede that some BMW car owners buy them for "the
> wrong reasons" (i.e. prestige), I think that bike riders are more
> practical and grounded.
>
Depends on the milieu - plenty of menopausal men cranking up their
beemer bikes to try and impress someone. Never sure quite who...

--
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the
gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

On 2024-12-30 06:53, D wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> On 2024-12-29 06:29, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>
>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>>> Farley Flud wrote:
>>>>>>>> The Photoshop lackeys are always the instigators.  They seem
>>>>>>>> greatly
>>>>>>>> distressed by the fact that some folks do not worship their idol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, golly gee, the free product isn't as good as the expensive
>>>>>>> product.  What a "tragedy".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   LibreOffice beats the crap out of anything M$ offers
>>>>>>   these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't know.  Both are more than sufficient for my lightweight
>>>>> use.  Obviously I choose to use the cheaper one.
>>>>
>>>> I consider both way too bloated, complicated, and slow so choose
>>>> other simpler programs like Ted for word processing. In the same
>>>> way I haven't touched PhotoShop or GIMP in a very long time since
>>>> mtPaint does everything I want. The fact that neither has very
>>>> active development is a plus more than anything - when I do want
>>>> to try something more unusual it still works the same as it did
>>>> years ago when I tried it last, whereas commercial software or its
>>>> open-source copies will have changed everything just for the sake
>>>> of keeping busy and looking new.
>>>
>>> Another option to libreoffice, for the ones who do not like it is
>>> Abiword. Tried it briefly, it worked, but libreoffice always was more
>>> than enough for my needs, so I've stayed with it for business use for
>>> a decade or two.
>>
>> If you're never sharing documents with others and only need to write,
>> AbiWord would definitely be my go-to. I love that little program.
>
> Ahh... so it doesn't save in easily exportable file formats?

I just checked and noticed that it saves in PDF, ODT and DOCX in
addition to its own format. However, when I opened a few ODT documents
to see how it would handle them, I notice that it failed with the one
which included a simple table. I notice that it can produce its own, but
I can't fathom why it didn't display it properly here.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

On 2024-12-30 06:54, D wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> On 2024-12-29 06:44, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, Farley Flud wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 23:47:29 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    I agree that the GIMPs GUI can be hard to navigate
>>>>>    and use sometimes.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I cannot understand this at all.
>>>>
>>>> An image is opened.  The user then decides what to do with the
>>>> image. He then uses the menu to invoke the appropriate action.
>>>> What could be simpler?
>>>>
>>>> As with most GUIs, there are more than one way to invoke actions.
>>>> Either use the menu or the many toolboxes.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, if a user does not understand the rudiments of image
>>>> processing then he will be confused and frustrated by any GUI.
>>>
>>> Also don't underestimate the power of habit. If you are used to
>>> photoshop, moving to something else will be painful.
>>>
>>> But if you have no prior experience, it will be different.
>>>
>>> My father has been a happy gimp user for many years, and he is 73. No
>>> problem with the gui. The only thing he is sensitive to is if they
>>> make changes or move buttons around. But all software makers enjoy
>>> doing that.
>>
>> My father is going to turn 80 last year and happily used Linux Mint
>> until he deided to buy himself a new mini desktop with Windows 10 on
>> it. If anything, he preferred Mint and asked me whether there was a
>> way to implement some of its functionality onto the desktop like the
>> way that it imports photos and videos from a phone. I didn't bother to
>> install it on his new machine though.
>
> That's a shame. If I would be there I would gladly install mint for him,
> to at least have one less windows machine in the world. ;)

He's gotten used to how Windows 11 works. However, once the thing
becomes too slow for him, I'll install either Fedora or Mint for him
because even though his machine is a 8th or 9th generation i3, it
shouldn't have to struggle to do the basics.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

On 2024-12-30 08:08, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> A fair & balanced point (idiocy snipped)
>
> Unlike -highhorse's lying "point".
>
> "Haters" being "loudly critical" of Photoshop is only his snittish
> "interpretation" of the advocates' common-sense value arguments.
>
> In this thread I admitted that I've never used Photoshop. But can he
> quote me being critical of its performance or quality? No, he can't.
>
> It's snits like -highhorse who has always attacked unfairly. Not the
> advocates. He will never escape this reality, no matter how much he
> try to twists it.

As far as I know, Huntzinger criticizes from the perspective of a Mac
user. To him, anything that doesn't closely follow the Apple approach is
simply intolerable.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

On 2024-12-30 12:53, D wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On 2024-12-29 06:29, D wrote:
>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

....

>>> Another option to libreoffice, for the ones who do not like it is
>>> Abiword. Tried it briefly, it worked, but libreoffice always was more
>>> than enough for my needs, so I've stayed with it for business use for
>>> a decade or two.
>>
>> If you're never sharing documents with others and only need to write,
>> AbiWord would definitely be my go-to. I love that little program.
>
> Ahh... so it doesn't save in easily exportable file formats?

The support for Word documents is partial. So says wikipedia, and so
says my vague recollection.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 12/30/24 10:24 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On 2024-12-30 08:08, chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> A fair & balanced point (idiocy snipped)
>>
>> Unlike -highhorse's lying "point".
>>
>> "Haters" being "loudly critical" of Photoshop is only his snittish
>> "interpretation" of the advocates' common-sense value arguments.
>>
>> In this thread I admitted that I've never used Photoshop.  But can he
>> quote me being critical of its performance or quality?  No, he can't.

Oh, there's _always_ a quote, especially when we reject the attempt to
goalpost move away from criticism on cost:

[quote]
We have given examples of equivalency many times, only to have them
denied as not being good-enough. GIMP is a classic example. It's
plenty-good for the vast majority of users (and free!), but it's not
the best, not "the standard", so gets denied.
[/quote]

<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/cSh74e_ySCE/m/zvPqn2g0AwAJ>

[quote]
>Yeah, everyone who wants to manipulate images needs to pay $600 for
>Photoshop and then use only a 16th of its functionality. <rolls eyes>
>
>It's a pretty lame troll, by the way.

Oh, of course. The market only needs one product, the "best" product,
you know. There's no need to alternative products that cost less and
work fine for many. (rolling eyes)
[/quote]

<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/4zKpEYtLFhQ/m/r5VdssSfhK4J>

>> It's snits like -highhorse who has always attacked unfairly.  Not the
>> advocates.  He will never escape this reality, no matter how much he
>> try to twists it.

Oh, look: chrisv tries to also forget sbd's infamous and hilariously
bad "[but] Photoshop should be 70,000 times better than GIMP" thread.

> As far as I know, Huntzinger criticizes from the perspective of a Mac
> user. To him, anything that doesn't closely follow the Apple approach is
> simply intolerable.

Nah, its merely pragmatism in real life application, by knowing what
issues are worth the effort vs which are jousting at windmills. Often
done with an eye on IRL costs, vs as a time squandering hobby.

As I said back in 2012:

[quote]
Merely the pragmatism of 'right tool for the job' instead of a "cut
off one's own nose" religious intolerance based on supposedly superior
moral principles.
[/quote]

<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/4zKpEYtLFhQ/m/ekQQblqAUx4J>

....and here we are a decade later with the same philosophy still in
operation, and for which why I still use all 3 (Mac/Win/Linux): it is
simply each in their own way for what they're good at...

....which necessitates having the wisdom to *not* use the wrong tool for
the job, due to some misguided allegiance to FOSS/whatever windmill.

Try it sometime.

-hh

On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 08:35:45 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> I am a fan of anything that is community driven, but I am also aware
> that communities break apart over the most ridiculous of things and
> often use that difference of opinion as a basis to fork a project.

The Mandrake to Mandriva transition was in part due to a suit by Hearst
over their Mandrake the Magician comic strip. Naming your distro after a
hallucinogenic plant isn't good.

On 30/12/2024 19:13, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 08:35:45 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> I am a fan of anything that is community driven, but I am also aware
>> that communities break apart over the most ridiculous of things and
>> often use that difference of opinion as a basis to fork a project.
>
> The Mandrake to Mandriva transition was in part due to a suit by Hearst
> over their Mandrake the Magician comic strip. Naming your distro after a
> hallucinogenic plant isn't good.
>
Oh...I dunno...

Lophophora williamsii has a certain ring...
--
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

- John K Galbraith

On 2024-12-30, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 30/12/2024 13:12, chrisv wrote:
>
>> rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> But we all have experience of other BMW drivers on the road ... I need
>>>> say no more ...
>>
>> I've never noticed anything amiss with BMW drivers. No, I am not
>> biased because I one owned one.
>
> It used to be Volvos. Cars with apparently no windows or mirrors, just a
> narrow view out of the front
>
> BMW was briefly a drug dealers car, but thereal cunts today drive an Audi...

Around here, Audi has caught up with BMW in terms of percentage
driven by assholes. A mechanic friend believes that assholes
are attracted to any German car. The VW Golf and Jetta appear
to be favoured by young urban racers.

I try to spread the rumour that before you are allowed to purchase
a BMW, you must sign a letter of undertaking in which you promise
to drive like an asshole at any opportunity.

Disclaimer: Not all BMW (and Audi) drivers are assholes. I know
several quite nice BMW owners. But statistically...

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey

Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>On 2024-12-30, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 30/12/2024 13:12, chrisv wrote:
>>> rbowman wrote:
>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But we all have experience of other BMW drivers on the road ... I need
>>>>> say no more ...
>>>
>>> I've never noticed anything amiss with BMW drivers. No, I am not
>>> biased because I one owned one.
>>
>> It used to be Volvos. Cars with apparently no windows or mirrors, just a
>> narrow view out of the front
>>
>> BMW was briefly a drug dealers car, but thereal cunts today drive an Audi...
>
>Around here, Audi has caught up with BMW in terms of percentage
>driven by assholes. A mechanic friend believes that assholes
>are attracted to any German car. The VW Golf and Jetta appear
>to be favoured by young urban racers.
>
>I try to spread the rumour that before you are allowed to purchase
>a BMW, you must sign a letter of undertaking in which you promise
>to drive like an asshole at any opportunity.
>
>Disclaimer: Not all BMW (and Audi) drivers are assholes. I know
>several quite nice BMW owners. But statistically...

You have to ask what kind of person needs a BMW - if they aren't going
to speed, why are they buying it? Is it just for status? Probably,
they wish to "own the road", i.e. create a hazard for normal people.
I'm not one to talk, when I was young I drove like a psycho at times,
but in my middle age I am a very patient and calm driver, methodical.
A Corolla is all I would need.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

In comp.os.linux.misc Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-12-30 06:53, D wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>> If you're never sharing documents with others and only need to write,
>>> AbiWord would definitely be my go-to. I love that little program.
>>
>> Ahh... so it doesn't save in easily exportable file formats?
>
> I just checked and noticed that it saves in PDF, ODT and DOCX in
> addition to its own format. However, when I opened a few ODT documents
> to see how it would handle them, I notice that it failed with the one
> which included a simple table. I notice that it can produce its own, but
> I can't fathom why it didn't display it properly here.

One thing I like about Ted (word processor, not text editor) is it
uses RTF as its native format, and that of course is supported for
reading and writing by any M$ Office version or even WordPad. It
supports tables and images, with more limitations than ODT or DOCX,
but well enough to do the job.

--
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#_ < |\| |< _#

On 2024-12-30 14:40, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On 2024-12-29 23:28, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 17:06:31 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> If I can use this laptop with Fedora on it until the machine inevitably
>>> kicks the bucket, I'll be happy. I don't like the idea of changing my
>>> hardware every three, four or even five years. If I can go ten with it,
>>> I'll be satisfied to retire it in favour of something new from Framework
>>> or System76.
>>
>> My Fedora box is a ten year old Dell with a 4th gen i5. I did get a
>> little
>> snappier processor on eBay and added 8 GB or RAM and a SSD but I'm not
>> planning an upgrade. The only limitation is the only PCIe slot is in use
>> so the SSD is SATA rather than NVMe so it boots a little slower than the
>> Ryzen 7 Ubuntu box.  Considering it's been up 41 days that is not a big
>> deal.
>
> Nowadays, speed is only an issue if you're playing games or encoding
> videos. Otherwise, the machines we were running even around 2010 should
> be more than sufficient for the majority of people and their use of the
> web, social media and e-mail. Sure, it won't load as fast as a machine
> from this decade, but it's not the kind of difference as people suffered
> through when some were running Pentiums and others still used a 386.

Memory can be an issue, though.

I had to change to another machine for two reasons. One, that 8 GiB was
not enough, machine was swapping actively, and the motherboard was maxed.

This is because software became memory hogs. Thunderbird, Firefox with a
bunch of windows, and LO. After a week, they eat memory.

The other reason is that Nvidia had stopped supporting my card, and
nouveau was not up to the task. I changed to AMD video.

The older machine I used for a time for guests. Works fine, its power is
fine, and is over 10 year old.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

lying asshole -hh wrote:

> (garbage snipped)

Gosh, not one quote of advocate "haters" being "loudly critical" of
Photoshop. Only quotes of advocates making reasonable points about
value, and one example of an advocate (sdb) who arbitrarity assigned a
one cent cost to GIMP. Why does -highhorse think that his snittish
attack is valid because of one brain-fart? Why does -highhorse feel
the need to lie about me "trying to forget" that brain-fart, which I
called-out at the time? You don't see trolls calling each other out,
when they say something stupid.

Why doesn't -highhorse quote me saying that Photoshop is a powerful
tool for professionals and serious amateurs?

What an asshole.

Meanwhile, I have quotes that directly show -highhorse *lying* to
attack, like his snittish assertion that any advocate would "globally
reject" Photoshop "for all possible consumers".

--
"Personally, I have no particular love for Photoshop's pricetag
either, but that doesn't mean that I'll globally reject it for all
possible consumers" - "-hh", snittishly pretending that cola
advocates "globally reject" Photoshop for "all possible consumers"

Joel wrote:

> Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>I try to spread the rumour that before you are allowed to purchase
>>a BMW, you must sign a letter of undertaking in which you promise
>>to drive like an asshole at any opportunity.
>>
>>Disclaimer: Not all BMW (and Audi) drivers are assholes. I know
>>several quite nice BMW owners. But statistically...

Made up, imaginary statistics.

>You have to ask what kind of person needs a BMW -

No, you don't.

> (idiocy snipped)

It's nothing to do with wanting to "own the road". It is probably not
"just for status". Many just want a better vehicle to drive. BMW's
are, generally, better vehicles to drive.

--
"Oh, wait, let me guess: it is because 98% of the world are, how
would you say it? Oh right: 'fscking idiot sheep'?" - lying
asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly

On 2024-12-30 17:01, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-12-30 14:40, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On 2024-12-29 23:28, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 17:06:31 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I can use this laptop with Fedora on it until the machine inevitably
>>>> kicks the bucket, I'll be happy. I don't like the idea of changing my
>>>> hardware every three, four or even five years. If I can go ten with it,
>>>> I'll be satisfied to retire it in favour of something new from
>>>> Framework
>>>> or System76.
>>>
>>> My Fedora box is a ten year old Dell with a 4th gen i5. I did get a
>>> little
>>> snappier processor on eBay and added 8 GB or RAM and a SSD but I'm not
>>> planning an upgrade. The only limitation is the only PCIe slot is in use
>>> so the SSD is SATA rather than NVMe so it boots a little slower than the
>>> Ryzen 7 Ubuntu box.  Considering it's been up 41 days that is not a big
>>> deal.
>>
>> Nowadays, speed is only an issue if you're playing games or encoding
>> videos. Otherwise, the machines we were running even around 2010
>> should be more than sufficient for the majority of people and their
>> use of the web, social media and e-mail. Sure, it won't load as fast
>> as a machine from this decade, but it's not the kind of difference as
>> people suffered through when some were running Pentiums and others
>> still used a 386.
>
> Memory can be an issue, though.
>
> I had to change to another machine for two reasons. One, that 8 GiB was
> not enough, machine was swapping actively, and the motherboard was maxed.

I found this to be an issue even with the new MacBook Air M1. Regardless
of what Apple claims, 8GB on Apple silicon is not like 16GB on a PC. 8GB
was great in 2010, not in 2021.

> This is because software became memory hogs. Thunderbird, Firefox with a
> bunch of windows, and LO. After a week, they eat memory.

I imagine that you never closed those programs. Do they have known
memory leaks?

> The other reason is that Nvidia had stopped supporting my card, and
> nouveau was not up to the task. I changed to AMD video.
>
> The older machine I used for a time for guests. Works fine, its power is
> fine, and is over 10 year old.

As far as I know, Nouveau has full support for NVIDIA GPUs into the 8xx
range. Anything after that doesn't get full support because the firmware
is closed. What was the card you were using?

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

On 2024-12-30 17:18, chrisv wrote:
> lying asshole -hh wrote:
>
>> (garbage snipped)
>
> Gosh, not one quote of advocate "haters" being "loudly critical" of
> Photoshop. Only quotes of advocates making reasonable points about
> value, and one example of an advocate (sdb) who arbitrarity assigned a
> one cent cost to GIMP. Why does -highhorse think that his snittish
> attack is valid because of one brain-fart? Why does -highhorse feel
> the need to lie about me "trying to forget" that brain-fart, which I
> called-out at the time? You don't see trolls calling each other out,
> when they say something stupid.
>
> Why doesn't -highhorse quote me saying that Photoshop is a powerful
> tool for professionals and serious amateurs?
>
> What an asshole.
>
> Meanwhile, I have quotes that directly show -highhorse *lying* to
> attack, like his snittish assertion that any advocate would "globally
> reject" Photoshop "for all possible consumers".

What I like about both GIMP and Krita is that I can install them with
one command and have full access to their features the moment they are
installed. With Photoshop, I imagine that I have to create an account,
put in my credit card information, download the software, enter my
account information to finally be able to use it.

With that said, I ask this question: is anyone else fed up of creating
accounts to download software? Is anyone else fed up of navigating to
specific sites to download those programs and carefully check that
they're not downloading a malware-infested version of the program? I'm
sure that GIMP and Krita lack a few features, but you can use them
anonymously all the while not being charged a cent to use either. You
can also acquire them within seconds, depending on the speed of your
Internet connection.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member